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All right. We have some clear evidence that some members of the Trump campaign were in direct communication with Putin cutouts with respect to collusion. We also have clear evidence the Russian government unleashed hundreds of social media trolls to influence the opinions of creduloids who use those platforms as their chief source of propganda which they eagerly parrot.
However, there are a couple of things I think the media is deliberately conflating with this collusion and interference in our electoral process. And while this might be a tactical success, the long term strategy can and should come back to bitch slap them in their faces.
First, Jeff Sessions did not lie under oath. The context in which the relevant question was asked was that Al Franken said it was being reported that some Trump campaign officials had been colluding with Russians to influence the campaign.
Sessions responded he had not had contact with Russians, clearly meaning he had not participated in the alleged colluding to which Franken has just alluded. Sessions was not saying he had never spoken with a Russian in his life or that he had not spoken with any Russian at all during the campaign.
As a senator himself, Al Franken knows damned well senators regularly come in contact with dignitaries from all over the world in Washington, D.C. You can't go to any function in DC without encountering foreign officials.
If Franken had a shred of integrity, he would have taken this into account and defended Sessions' answer when it came out later that Sessions had encountered a Russian at a cocktail party.
Franken is the dickhead in this picture. Totally.
Second, there were two kinds of communication inside the Trump campaign with respect to Russia.
There was the communication between Donald, Jr. and the Russian cutout who offered dirt on Clinton, to which Junior enthusiastically responded. There was similar communication between the Russians and other Trump campaign officials, as has been reported in recent weeks.
It is very important to understand that right now there has not been a single shred of evidence that this type of communication went beyond the principal contacts, i.e. Donald, Jr, Papadapolous, etc. There is no evidence that any of these people informed the higher ups that this kind of communication was taking place.
The other communication which was reported up the campaign ladder was the idea of arranging a meeting between candidate Trump and Vladimir Putin. Said meeting to take place in Russia.
Every report up to this point indicates that the higher ups, including Sessions, rejected the idea of a meeting between Trump and Putin.
Now here's the thing. There is absolutely nothing wrong with planning a meeting between Trump and Putin, or talking about arranging a meeting between Trump and Putin.
We cannot make any assumptions about what would have been discussed during such a meeting. We cannot assume this was an extension of the collusion that was going on and that Putin would have roped Trump into the collusion.
Everyone knows I hate Trump for being such a Putin lickspittle. The man can't get enough of Putin's semen down his throat. Trump's been infatuated with Putin for many years.
However, there is nothing improper with the presumptive nominee of a major political party meeting with the leader of a foreign government during an election year.
However, there are a couple of things I think the media is deliberately conflating with this collusion and interference in our electoral process. And while this might be a tactical success, the long term strategy can and should come back to bitch slap them in their faces.
First, Jeff Sessions did not lie under oath. The context in which the relevant question was asked was that Al Franken said it was being reported that some Trump campaign officials had been colluding with Russians to influence the campaign.
Sessions responded he had not had contact with Russians, clearly meaning he had not participated in the alleged colluding to which Franken has just alluded. Sessions was not saying he had never spoken with a Russian in his life or that he had not spoken with any Russian at all during the campaign.
As a senator himself, Al Franken knows damned well senators regularly come in contact with dignitaries from all over the world in Washington, D.C. You can't go to any function in DC without encountering foreign officials.
If Franken had a shred of integrity, he would have taken this into account and defended Sessions' answer when it came out later that Sessions had encountered a Russian at a cocktail party.
Franken is the dickhead in this picture. Totally.
Second, there were two kinds of communication inside the Trump campaign with respect to Russia.
There was the communication between Donald, Jr. and the Russian cutout who offered dirt on Clinton, to which Junior enthusiastically responded. There was similar communication between the Russians and other Trump campaign officials, as has been reported in recent weeks.
It is very important to understand that right now there has not been a single shred of evidence that this type of communication went beyond the principal contacts, i.e. Donald, Jr, Papadapolous, etc. There is no evidence that any of these people informed the higher ups that this kind of communication was taking place.
The other communication which was reported up the campaign ladder was the idea of arranging a meeting between candidate Trump and Vladimir Putin. Said meeting to take place in Russia.
Every report up to this point indicates that the higher ups, including Sessions, rejected the idea of a meeting between Trump and Putin.
Now here's the thing. There is absolutely nothing wrong with planning a meeting between Trump and Putin, or talking about arranging a meeting between Trump and Putin.
We cannot make any assumptions about what would have been discussed during such a meeting. We cannot assume this was an extension of the collusion that was going on and that Putin would have roped Trump into the collusion.
Everyone knows I hate Trump for being such a Putin lickspittle. The man can't get enough of Putin's semen down his throat. Trump's been infatuated with Putin for many years.
However, there is nothing improper with the presumptive nominee of a major political party meeting with the leader of a foreign government during an election year.