Sean Hannity and Oliver North Head Military Charity Mired In Scandal

[edthecynic]

here, you fucking moron

Vacate Law & Legal Definition

The 3 judge panel said that the conviction was vacated FOR FURTHER PROCEEDINGS. They overrule you!

Walsh Iran / Contra Report - Summary of Prosecutions
Oliver L. North -- Indicted March 16, 1988, on 16 felony counts. After standing trial on 12, North was convicted May 4, 1989 of three charges: accepting an illegal gratuity, aiding and abetting in the obstruction of a congressional inquiry, and destruction of documents. He was sentenced by U.S. District Judge Gerhard A. Gesell on July 5, 1989, to a three-year suspended prison term, two years probation, $150,000 in fines and 1,200 hours community service. A three-judge appeals panel on July 20, 1990,vacated North's conviction for further proceedings to determine whether his immunized testimony influenced witnesses in the trial. The Supreme Court declined to review the case. Judge Gesell dismissed the case September 16, 1991, after hearings on the immunity issue, on the motion of Independent Counsel.

LOL.

It is frequently the case that a conviction reversed on appeal gets remanded back to the trial court for further procxeedings. Indictments can be refiled. A reversal -- standing alone -- doesn't bar re-prosecution.

In Col. North's case, the matter WAS sent back for further proceedings to determine whether or not the immunized testimony could be adequately snipped from the prosecution's case. U.S. District Judge Gerhard A. Gesell determined that it was very problematic.

Judge Gesell dismissed the case September 16, 1991, after hearings on the immunity issue, on the motion of Independent Counsel.

-- Iran-Contra Affair Prosecutions, Convictions and Pardons - List of Prosecutions, Convictions and Pardons in Reagan's Iran-Contra Affair

When the case in which the conviction had been reversed (vacated) got sent back for further proceedings, in short, there WERE further proceedings and the ultimate determination was that the case got dismissed.

Presumption of innocence thus remains intact forever. Col. North has exactly ZERO criminal convictions on his record.

No matter how often you repeat your glaringly ignorant, arrogant and erroneous assertions, therefore, edthesickdick, the FACTS prove you wrong. It doesn't even matter what font type or size of color you use. The FACT that you are wrong stands, triumphantly, over this discussion.

While Traitor North has a clean record on a technicality, there was enough evidence to convict him in a court of law as well as his own admissions of guilt under oath and under immunity that he can never regain the presumption of innocence.

For example, count 9 - destroying evidence, North admitted guilt under immunity. In fact, he bragged about all the document shredding jamming the shredder. He cannot admit guilt under immunity and still retain a presumption of innocence.

 

[DiveCon]

The 3 judge panel said that the conviction was vacated FOR FURTHER PROCEEDINGS. They overrule you!

Walsh Iran / Contra Report - Summary of Prosecutions
Oliver L. North -- Indicted March 16, 1988, on 16 felony counts. After standing trial on 12, North was convicted May 4, 1989 of three charges: accepting an illegal gratuity, aiding and abetting in the obstruction of a congressional inquiry, and destruction of documents. He was sentenced by U.S. District Judge Gerhard A. Gesell on July 5, 1989, to a three-year suspended prison term, two years probation, $150,000 in fines and 1,200 hours community service. A three-judge appeals panel on July 20, 1990,vacated North's conviction for further proceedings to determine whether his immunized testimony influenced witnesses in the trial. The Supreme Court declined to review the case. Judge Gesell dismissed the case September 16, 1991, after hearings on the immunity issue, on the motion of Independent Counsel.

LOL.

It is frequently the case that a conviction reversed on appeal gets remanded back to the trial court for further procxeedings. Indictments can be refiled. A reversal -- standing alone -- doesn't bar re-prosecution.

In Col. North's case, the matter WAS sent back for further proceedings to determine whether or not the immunized testimony could be adequately snipped from the prosecution's case. U.S. District Judge Gerhard A. Gesell determined that it was very problematic.

Judge Gesell dismissed the case September 16, 1991, after hearings on the immunity issue, on the motion of Independent Counsel.

-- Iran-Contra Affair Prosecutions, Convictions and Pardons - List of Prosecutions, Convictions and Pardons in Reagan's Iran-Contra Affair

When the case in which the conviction had been reversed (vacated) got sent back for further proceedings, in short, there WERE further proceedings and the ultimate determination was that the case got dismissed.

Presumption of innocence thus remains intact forever. Col. North has exactly ZERO criminal convictions on his record.

No matter how often you repeat your glaringly ignorant, arrogant and erroneous assertions, therefore, edthesickdick, the FACTS prove you wrong. It doesn't even matter what font type or size of color you use. The FACT that you are wrong stands, triumphantly, over this discussion.

While Traitor North has a clean record on a technicality, there was enough evidence to convict him in a court of law as well as his own admissions of guilt under oath and under immunity that he can never regain the presumption of innocence.

For example, count 9 - destroying evidence, North admitted guilt under immunity. In fact, he bragged about all the document shredding jamming the shredder. He cannot admit guilt under immunity and still retain a presumption of innocence.

no shit, moron
what the fuck do you think i have been telling you all fucking NIGHT
he is NOT a convict
you fucking moron'

 

[Liability]

The 3 judge panel said that the conviction was vacated FOR FURTHER PROCEEDINGS. They overrule you!

Walsh Iran / Contra Report - Summary of Prosecutions
Oliver L. North -- Indicted March 16, 1988, on 16 felony counts. After standing trial on 12, North was convicted May 4, 1989 of three charges: accepting an illegal gratuity, aiding and abetting in the obstruction of a congressional inquiry, and destruction of documents. He was sentenced by U.S. District Judge Gerhard A. Gesell on July 5, 1989, to a three-year suspended prison term, two years probation, $150,000 in fines and 1,200 hours community service. A three-judge appeals panel on July 20, 1990,vacated North's conviction for further proceedings to determine whether his immunized testimony influenced witnesses in the trial. The Supreme Court declined to review the case. Judge Gesell dismissed the case September 16, 1991, after hearings on the immunity issue, on the motion of Independent Counsel.

LOL.

It is frequently the case that a conviction reversed on appeal gets remanded back to the trial court for further procxeedings. Indictments can be refiled. A reversal -- standing alone -- doesn't bar re-prosecution.

In Col. North's case, the matter WAS sent back for further proceedings to determine whether or not the immunized testimony could be adequately snipped from the prosecution's case. U.S. District Judge Gerhard A. Gesell determined that it was very problematic.

Judge Gesell dismissed the case September 16, 1991, after hearings on the immunity issue, on the motion of Independent Counsel.

-- Iran-Contra Affair Prosecutions, Convictions and Pardons - List of Prosecutions, Convictions and Pardons in Reagan's Iran-Contra Affair

When the case in which the conviction had been reversed (vacated) got sent back for further proceedings, in short, there WERE further proceedings and the ultimate determination was that the case got dismissed.

Presumption of innocence thus remains intact forever. Col. North has exactly ZERO criminal convictions on his record.

No matter how often you repeat your glaringly ignorant, arrogant and erroneous assertions, therefore, edthesickdick, the FACTS prove you wrong. It doesn't even matter what font type or size of color you use. The FACT that you are wrong stands, triumphantly, over this discussion.

While Traitor North has a clean record on a technicality, there was enough evidence to convict him in a court of law as well as his own admissions of guilt under oath and under immunity that he can never regain the presumption of innocence.

For example, count 9 - destroying evidence, North admitted guilt under immunity. In fact, he bragged about all the document shredding jamming the shredder. He cannot admit guilt under immunity and still retain a presumption of innocence.

Col. North (not "traitor North") is not now norwas he ever a traitor.

Words have actual meaning, you limp dead dick, even if that fact bothers you.

Now, moving on to the thrust of your current quibble. I never said that Col. North had not broken some laws. What I said -- several times -- was that he is presumed innocent in the eyes of the law. And that is forever true, your misgivings about objective reality notwithstanding.

Yes. He shredded docs. He also traded arms for hostages. But, in the eyes of the law, nothing is changed. He is still (forever) presumed to be innocent. It never ever goes away. Cool eh?

And that "technicality" you are all bothered by? They call it the Constitution, kid.

 

[Madeline]

Meh, I was sure Reagan pardoned North.

 

[bodecea]

When conservative commentators begin eating their own, you know that something is up.

Debbie Schlussel is a reasonably well-known conservative commentator with a large radio and online following. While I have always found her to be over the top – particularly with her anti-Muslim rhetoric – she certainly has the respect of the conservative community. So when she broke a story a few days ago accusing Sean Hannity’s charity of being a ‘scam’, this naturally got my attention.

Schlussel claims that the Freedom Concerts conducted by Hannity and the Freedom Alliance (whose chairman is Oliver North) have been an unconscionable con. The concerts are supposed to be raising money to pay college tuition for the children of soldiers who have died in our foreign wars and to provide needed funds to help out soldiers severely injured in battle. Clearly, a noble goal and a charity well worth helping out.

Or is it?

Check out what Schlussel has discovered in researching the organization for the past year-

But it’s all a huge scam.

In fact, less than 20%–and in two recent years, less than 7% and 4%, respectively–of the money raised by Freedom Alliance went to these causes, while millions of dollars went to expenses, including consultants and apparently to ferry the Hannity posse of family and friends in high style. And, despite Hannity’s statements to the contrary on his nationally syndicated radio show, few of the children of fallen soldiers got more than $1,000-$2,000, with apparently none getting more than $6,000, while Freedom Alliance appears to have spent tens of thousands of dollars for private planes. Moreover, despite written assurances to donors that all money raised would go directly to scholarships for kids of the fallen heroes and not to expenses, has begun charging expenses of nearly $500,000 to give out just over $800,000 in scholarships.

Via debbieschlussel.com

Sean Hannity in serious military charity scandal - Rick Ungar - The Policy Page - True/Slant

Oliver North involved in something shady? Who could have predicted that?

No way! I knew Hannity was an honorable man when he went thru with being Waterboarded for the Wounded Warriors Charity.

 

[DiveCon]

Meh, I was sure Reagan pardoned North.

just confirming you dont know what you are talking about

 

[Madeline]

Meh, I was sure Reagan pardoned North.

just confirming you dont know what you are talking about

It's been like thirty years, Divey. I wouldn't know unless I looked it up.

Was fun watching you guys go at it, though.

Group hug time yet?

 

[GWV5903]

These should help clear this up some....

Hannitized is Sanitized | FrumForum

http://www.frumforum.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/freedom_alliance_response.pdf

 

[Madeline]

These should help clear this up some....

Hannitized is Sanitized | FrumForum

http://www.frumforum.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/freedom_alliance_response.pdf

The guy raises interesting comments in rebuttal, GWV5903, but this is not enough. The 990's (informational returns) say whatever the hell they say. Assuming Rick Ungar (author of the linked article in the Op) got the numbers right, it's amazing no state's AG is pursuing this charity on consumer fraud grounds.

At this point, we cannot go further unless we actually get copies of the documents and read them for ourselves. Since there should be new batch in a few weeks, I say we wait.

 

[DiveCon]

These should help clear this up some....

Hannitized is Sanitized | FrumForum

http://www.frumforum.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/freedom_alliance_response.pdf

The guy raises interesting comments in rebuttal, GWV5903, but this is not enough. The 990's (informational returns) say whatever the hell they say. Assuming Rick Ungar (author of the linked article in the Op) got the numbers right, it's amazing no state's AG is pursuing this charity on consumer fraud grounds.

At this point, we cannot go further unless we actually get copies of the documents and read them for ourselves. Since there should be new batch in a few weeks, I say we wait.

maddy, there is and was NO FRAUD

 

[Madeline]

These should help clear this up some....

Hannitized is Sanitized | FrumForum

http://www.frumforum.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/freedom_alliance_response.pdf

The guy raises interesting comments in rebuttal, GWV5903, but this is not enough. The 990's (informational returns) say whatever the hell they say. Assuming Rick Ungar (author of the linked article in the Op) got the numbers right, it's amazing no state's AG is pursuing this charity on consumer fraud grounds.

At this point, we cannot go further unless we actually get copies of the documents and read them for ourselves. Since there should be new batch in a few weeks, I say we wait.

maddy, there is and was NO FRAUD

You are basing that on what, Divey?

 

[DiveCon]

The guy raises interesting comments in rebuttal, GWV5903, but this is not enough. The 990's (informational returns) say whatever the hell they say. Assuming Rick Ungar (author of the linked article in the Op) got the numbers right, it's amazing no state's AG is pursuing this charity on consumer fraud grounds.

At this point, we cannot go further unless we actually get copies of the documents and read them for ourselves. Since there should be new batch in a few weeks, I say we wait.

maddy, there is and was NO FRAUD

You are basing that on what, Divey?

the facts, maddy
not some delusional liberal rant

 

[GWV5903]

These should help clear this up some....

Hannitized is Sanitized | FrumForum

http://www.frumforum.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/freedom_alliance_response.pdf

The guy raises interesting comments in rebuttal, GWV5903, but this is not enough. The 990's (informational returns) say whatever the hell they say. Assuming Rick Ungar (author of the linked article in the Op) got the numbers right, it's amazing no state's AG is pursuing this charity on consumer fraud grounds.

At this point, we cannot go further unless we actually get copies of the documents and read them for ourselves. Since there should be new batch in a few weeks, I say we wait.

The only thing Freedom Alliance can be accused of is that concerts are not the most efficient way to generate revenue....

Schlussel accused Hannity of corruption based on her unnamed source? Didn't we enter a war based on someone named Curveball, who years later admitted that he only wanted Saddam Hussein taken down? As for Unger, he jumped on board because he admittedly can't stand him....

The 990's are public information, if any AG was going after FA it would have already happened and at this point would smell purely partisan....