Scott Walker Busted on video

The First Amendment.

Ever read it?

"Collective Bargaining Clause" Gracie?

I must've missed it...:eusa_whistle:

:wtf:

What you missed was the right to assemble
Define "Assemble". You do have the right to meet and say what you want without permission of the government under any faith you want.

You do not have the right to succeed in any demands you make, and the employer is not obligated to not hire anyone else but you who unionize and demand.
 
Flat wages are sucking the Middle Class dry. And as historical facts show, as goes the unions, goes the Middle Class.

First, wages aren't flat. Second, with only 7% of private sector workers in unions it is illogical that they should represent the entire middle class.

Using Constant Real Dollars as the Labor Department uses to determine wage growth, your claim that wages aren't flat is dead wrong.

Year Weekly Real Earnings Comp/Wages Weekly Compensation
(1982-84 dollars) (1982-84 dollars)

1972 $341.83 1.14 $388.01
1975 $314.75 1.16 $366.63
1980 $290.86 1.20 $348.93
1985 $285.34 1.22 $347.10
1990 $271.12 1.21 $328.99
1995 $267.07 1.22 $326.23
2000 $284.79 1.20 $341.49
2005 $284.99 1.24 $352.87
2010 $297.67 1.24 $370.28
2011 $294.78 1.24 $365.77

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Also your claim that unions only make up only "7% of private sector workers in unions it is illogical that they should represent the entire middle class", doesn't take in the fact that in 1979 unions made up 24.1 percent of the nations workforce private (public sector & private sector) and as of the end of 2011 the rate was 11.8. When the unions were larger and stronger, historical numbers show that the middle class had a larger percentage of the of the National Income. But as the unions lost their strength, the Middle Classes share of the National Income shrank.
Don't let facts get in your way.

Stats just aren't your bag, are they?
 
yes, really. There is a whole thread explaining this.

Being as I don't live on these boards, I missed that thread. So would someone explain to me why the BLS data is wrong? Thank you.

http://www.usmessageboard.com/politics/223736-wisconsins-three-handed-economist-losing-jobs-gaining-employment.html#post5287104

Thanks for the info.
And as I try to admit when I am wrong, I'll admit I was wrong.
 
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The Supreme Court disagrees with you.

Wisconsin Court...perhaps...
I doubt it too.

I was referring to THIS story...But I think the poor chap is confused...

From June 2011...

Madison - Acting with unusual speed, the state Supreme Court on Tuesday ordered the reinstatement of Gov. Scott Walker's controversial plan to end most collective bargaining for tens of thousands of public workers.

The court found that a committee of lawmakers was not subject to the state's open meetings law, and so did not violate that law when it hastily approved the collective bargaining measure in March and made it possible for the Senate to take it up. In doing so, the Supreme Court overruled a Dane County judge who had halted the legislation, ending one challenge to the law even as new challenges are likely to emerge.

The changes on collective bargaining will take effect once Secretary of State Doug La Follette arranges for official publication of the stalled bill, and the high court said there was now nothing to preclude him from doing that. La Follette did not return a call Tuesday to say when the law would be published.
 
The Supreme Court disagrees with you.

Please cite the Supreme Court case where they decided that peaceful assembly and free speech means collective bargaining.

National Labor Relations Act of 1935, visited and upheld by the USSC in Texas & N.O.R. Co. v. Brotherhood of Railway Clerks.

Anything else I can help you with?

If you want a more recent case, I guess we could use Citizens United, which found that a Union is a person, and therefor has unlimited Free Speech per the First Amendment. This would naturally mean all First Amendment rights are protected for a Union, which would mean right to assembly.
 
Please cite the Supreme Court case where they decided that peaceful assembly and free speech means collective bargaining.

National Labor Relations Act of 1935, visited and upheld by the USSC in Texas & N.O.R. Co. v. Brotherhood of Railway Clerks.

Anything else I can help you with?

If you want a more recent case, I guess we could use Citizens United, which found that a Union is a person, and therefor has unlimited Free Speech per the First Amendment. This would naturally mean all First Amendment rights are protected for a Union, which would mean right to assembly.

They have all the speech they like (as the rest of us do)...BUT they do NOT have a right to foist thier beliefs on the rest of us since THEY are a clear minority of the working population...

Get it?
 
First, wages aren't flat. Second, with only 7% of private sector workers in unions it is illogical that they should represent the entire middle class.

Using Constant Real Dollars as the Labor Department uses to determine wage growth, your claim that wages aren't flat is dead wrong.

Year Weekly Real Earnings Comp/Wages Weekly Compensation
(1982-84 dollars) (1982-84 dollars)

1972 $341.83 1.14 $388.01
1975 $314.75 1.16 $366.63
1980 $290.86 1.20 $348.93
1985 $285.34 1.22 $347.10
1990 $271.12 1.21 $328.99
1995 $267.07 1.22 $326.23
2000 $284.79 1.20 $341.49
2005 $284.99 1.24 $352.87
2010 $297.67 1.24 $370.28
2011 $294.78 1.24 $365.77

=================================================

Also your claim that unions only make up only "7% of private sector workers in unions it is illogical that they should represent the entire middle class", doesn't take in the fact that in 1979 unions made up 24.1 percent of the nations workforce private (public sector & private sector) and as of the end of 2011 the rate was 11.8. When the unions were larger and stronger, historical numbers show that the middle class had a larger percentage of the of the National Income. But as the unions lost their strength, the Middle Classes share of the National Income shrank.
Don't let facts get in your way.

Stats just aren't your bag, are they?

I work with statistics everyday, it's part of my job, so ,,,stats are my bag and I must do alright, my pay has consistently stayed ahead of inflation.
 

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