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Since the President has been overseas, I'm pretty sure he has a passport. So since he has a passport, he obviously had to give them his real birth certificate.
So in that case, the entire issue is dead.
Since the President has been overseas, I'm pretty sure he has a passport. So since he has a passport, he obviously had to give them his real birth certificate.
So in that case, the entire issue is dead.
interesting point, it of course assumes the state he recieved the passport in has the same law as HI....so obama did produce a copy of the original....too bad he didn't do so again, it would have put the issue down cold.
Pffft....
Yeah right... then where's the record of that? Let's see it...
I have Pale. Now it's your turn to give evidence that the birth certificate he put forth is a fake.
Go!
interesting point, it of course assumes the state he recieved the passport in has the same law as HI....so obama did produce a copy of the original....too bad he didn't do so again, it would have put the issue down cold.
Not only that, but if the birthers wanted to check bad enough, I'm sure it wouldn't be too difficult to figure out. Especially what could probably take a couple 4chan hackers a couple hours ago at most.
Which is my point, the information is out there and in sensitive areas probably.
lol...you claimed it was 'proof', the document itself says it is merely evidence, patek is right, it is not a true and correct copy of the original...thus not the best evidence.
it is interesting that HI doesn't accept that document for passports...
Ok ... then go ahead and produce something that trumps that piece of VALID evidence since we are playing word games that proves Obama wasn't born in Hawaii if you think otherwise.
did i ever claim it was not valid evidence? your question is merely a strawman in disguise. i've repeatedly stated that i believe obama was born there. if you have a problem with being corrected on the facts, you need to grow some thicker skin. it doesn't do any good to go around proclaiming facts about what obama has produced when those facts are wrong. it actually fuels the birther issue because it looks like you're lying and covering something up. i don't think you are lying, but it could look like that.
for example, dogbert incorrectly states obama provided a copy of the birth certificate. this is not true, he provide a certification of live birth.
IMO, the only evidence that could trump the cert of live birth is an actual copy of a birth certificate. do you deny this?
that actually makes more silly for obama to not produce a copy of it
Pffft....
Yeah right... then where's the record of that? Let's see it...
Record of what? The fact he has a passport or the fact he gave them his birth certificate?
Obama has never, I repeat, never, produced any document, to anyone, not even when he ran for the senate, that was an original or copy thereof. If he had, there would be a record of it, and there isn't. None exists. This "certification of live birth" is the ONLY thing he has EVER produced. "Where" he was born is still a mystery. However, the most definitive proof to date is his grandmother, his half sister, and his half brother, who all claim he was born in Kenya.
I'm not trying to convince anyone otherwise. I'm only focusing on the evidence in question. Statements from his relatives are relevant but where they are discredited is the hospital birth records and I guarantee you they exist. Since medical records are PRIVATE they should in fact remain out of the public domain as stated in numerous laws.
But your guarantee that they exist is as hollow of a guarantee that obama was born in Hawaii as can be P-P. And medical records, such as long form birth certificates that contain such information as the name of the HOSPITIAL and DOCTOR, are only private up to a point. If you want a passport, if you want to run for public office... President, ahem... you better role one out... IT'S THE LAW. However, in this case, the LAW has been, shall we say, not completely adhered to.
Either. Both. Take your pick. Prove one or both. I dare ya...
that actually makes more silly for obama to not produce a copy of it
Not at all. With birthers all obsessed with this issue, they spend their time not focusing on the real issues at hand. And look crazy to the rest of the country. It's the exact same thing Bush did with the truthers. And he never came out and said he wasn't behind 9/11 did he?
What did he produce to obtain his Diplomatic passport? Those are not easily obtained...I know because I had one for a period of time. I had to produce my original hospital birth record. They actually contact the hospital, verify it's authenticity and speak to anyone who's still alive that can verify it.
This is lame old shit dog. Tired old, rehashed, used too often and lost it's pazzaz, bull shit. One, you have no idea what "birthers" are doing or thinking. Second, you're off your freagin' rocker if you're going to try and compare the SLAUGHTER of 3,000 innocent people in cold blood to a little dip shit who playing games with his place of birth.
C'mon man... get with it.
Either. Both. Take your pick. Prove one or both. I dare ya...
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And the fact he has a passport by the fact he's traveled overseas many times.
For one, that doesn't prove he has a passport. Two, if he does, it doesn't prove what he provided to get it. Three, that's just lame throwing shit out there to see if it will stick.
PROVE HE HAS A PASSPORT. PROVE WHAT HE PRESENTED TO GET IT.
that actually makes more silly for obama to not produce a copy of it
Not at all. With birthers all obsessed with this issue, they spend their time not focusing on the real issues at hand. And look crazy to the rest of the country. It's the exact same thing Bush did with the truthers. And he never came out and said he wasn't behind 9/11 did he?
