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Myths that are easily disposed of by actual science.
Scientists destroy another climate denier myth Rising CO2 levels aren t good for plants - Salon.com
Myths that are easily disposed of by actual science.
Scientists destroy another climate denier myth Rising CO2 levels aren t good for plants - Salon.com
What a pathetic example of "science". They compare apples to rocks and think they are making a point. This is sad, just sad. What's even sadder is morons like liminal think they actually did something.It was a long term study that was already hypothesized, and it held up to all standards, I'm sorry that actual facts scare you, I know you want to keep destroying the planet.Myths that are easily disposed of by actual science.
Scientists destroy another climate denier myth Rising CO2 levels aren t good for plants - Salon.com
That's what happens when you raise a intellectual cripple and don't challenge them to actually learn HOW to think. The anti science deniers of the AGW crowd merely tell you what to think, not how. If you knew how to think you would cut through their BS too fast..
Ah here it is,
Plants may run out of time to grow under ongoing climate change
"The causes and consequences of global warming are still under debate, but what would actually happen to all the plants, essential to many aspects of our lives, if the climate in the planet does get warmer? A new study publishing in the Open Access journal PLOS Biology on June 10th by University of Hawai'i scientists addresses just this question.
A key potential 'benefit' of global warming that has been considered is that plants at northern latitudes will thrive in a warmer world. However, this prevailing assumption ignores the fact that plants in the North will remain limited by solar radiation, curbing the positive effects of warming and additional CO2 availability. In addition, that same warming could surpass plant temperature tolerances in tropical areas around the world, and further be accompanied by drought.
"Those that think climate change will benefit plants need to see the light, literally and figuratively," says Camilo Mora, professor at the University of Hawai'i at Mānoa's College of Social Sciences and lead author of the new study. "A narrow focus on the factors that influence plant growth has led to major underestimations of the potential impacts of climate change on plants, not only at higher latitudes but more severely in the tropics, exposing the world to dire consequences," he adds.
The new study shows that ongoing climate change will lead to overall declines in plant growing days by 2100 due to a mixture of warming, drought, and limited solar radiation.
Using satellite-derived data, the study identified the ranges of temperatures, soil moisture (water availability) and light (solar radiation) within which 95% of the world's plant growth occurs today. The researchers then used climate projections to count the number of days in a year that will fall within these suitable climate ranges for plant growth in the future.
Although the study did find that warming trends will increase the number of days above freezing at higher latitudes by 7%, these same locations will remain limited by light, a trend that has been missed by previous studies that focused on temperature alone. "Regions at higher latitudes will likely have less frost and snow on the ground in the future, but many plants will not be able to take advantage of those warmer temperatures because there will not be enough sunlight to sustain their growth," says Iain Caldwell, a co-author of the study. "
more at link
It was a long term study that was already hypothesized, and it held up to all standards, I'm sorry that actual facts scare you, I know you want to keep destroying the planet.Myths that are easily disposed of by actual science.
Scientists destroy another climate denier myth Rising CO2 levels aren t good for plants - Salon.com
That's what happens when you raise a intellectual cripple and don't challenge them to actually learn HOW to think. The anti science deniers of the AGW crowd merely tell you what to think, not how. If you knew how to think you would cut through their BS too fast..
Ah here it is,
Plants may run out of time to grow under ongoing climate change
"The causes and consequences of global warming are still under debate, but what would actually happen to all the plants, essential to many aspects of our lives, if the climate in the planet does get warmer? A new study publishing in the Open Access journal PLOS Biology on June 10th by University of Hawai'i scientists addresses just this question.
A key potential 'benefit' of global warming that has been considered is that plants at northern latitudes will thrive in a warmer world. However, this prevailing assumption ignores the fact that plants in the North will remain limited by solar radiation, curbing the positive effects of warming and additional CO2 availability. In addition, that same warming could surpass plant temperature tolerances in tropical areas around the world, and further be accompanied by drought.
"Those that think climate change will benefit plants need to see the light, literally and figuratively," says Camilo Mora, professor at the University of Hawai'i at Mānoa's College of Social Sciences and lead author of the new study. "A narrow focus on the factors that influence plant growth has led to major underestimations of the potential impacts of climate change on plants, not only at higher latitudes but more severely in the tropics, exposing the world to dire consequences," he adds.
The new study shows that ongoing climate change will lead to overall declines in plant growing days by 2100 due to a mixture of warming, drought, and limited solar radiation.
Using satellite-derived data, the study identified the ranges of temperatures, soil moisture (water availability) and light (solar radiation) within which 95% of the world's plant growth occurs today. The researchers then used climate projections to count the number of days in a year that will fall within these suitable climate ranges for plant growth in the future.
Although the study did find that warming trends will increase the number of days above freezing at higher latitudes by 7%, these same locations will remain limited by light, a trend that has been missed by previous studies that focused on temperature alone. "Regions at higher latitudes will likely have less frost and snow on the ground in the future, but many plants will not be able to take advantage of those warmer temperatures because there will not be enough sunlight to sustain their growth," says Iain Caldwell, a co-author of the study. "
more at link
Why then did none of this ever happen when it has been warmer before? You have to ask yourself why not a single disaster that these people bleat about has ever occurred when we KNOW it has been much warmer.
A thinking person would begin to ask some very hard questions of them.
Ah here it is,
Plants may run out of time to grow under ongoing climate change
"The causes and consequences of global warming are still under debate, but what would actually happen to all the plants, essential to many aspects of our lives, if the climate in the planet does get warmer? A new study publishing in the Open Access journal PLOS Biology on June 10th by University of Hawai'i scientists addresses just this question.
A key potential 'benefit' of global warming that has been considered is that plants at northern latitudes will thrive in a warmer world. However, this prevailing assumption ignores the fact that plants in the North will remain limited by solar radiation, curbing the positive effects of warming and additional CO2 availability. In addition, that same warming could surpass plant temperature tolerances in tropical areas around the world, and further be accompanied by drought.
"Those that think climate change will benefit plants need to see the light, literally and figuratively," says Camilo Mora, professor at the University of Hawai'i at Mānoa's College of Social Sciences and lead author of the new study. "A narrow focus on the factors that influence plant growth has led to major underestimations of the potential impacts of climate change on plants, not only at higher latitudes but more severely in the tropics, exposing the world to dire consequences," he adds.
The new study shows that ongoing climate change will lead to overall declines in plant growing days by 2100 due to a mixture of warming, drought, and limited solar radiation.
Using satellite-derived data, the study identified the ranges of temperatures, soil moisture (water availability) and light (solar radiation) within which 95% of the world's plant growth occurs today. The researchers then used climate projections to count the number of days in a year that will fall within these suitable climate ranges for plant growth in the future.
Although the study did find that warming trends will increase the number of days above freezing at higher latitudes by 7%, these same locations will remain limited by light, a trend that has been missed by previous studies that focused on temperature alone. "Regions at higher latitudes will likely have less frost and snow on the ground in the future, but many plants will not be able to take advantage of those warmer temperatures because there will not be enough sunlight to sustain their growth," says Iain Caldwell, a co-author of the study. "
more at link
Why then did none of this ever happen when it has been warmer before? You have to ask yourself why not a single disaster that these people bleat about has ever occurred when we KNOW it has been much warmer.
A thinking person would begin to ask some very hard questions of them.
Like 'who pays you to deny climate change on message boards?' Questions like that?
Ah here it is,
Plants may run out of time to grow under ongoing climate change
"The causes and consequences of global warming are still under debate, but what would actually happen to all the plants, essential to many aspects of our lives, if the climate in the planet does get warmer? A new study publishing in the Open Access journal PLOS Biology on June 10th by University of Hawai'i scientists addresses just this question.
A key potential 'benefit' of global warming that has been considered is that plants at northern latitudes will thrive in a warmer world. However, this prevailing assumption ignores the fact that plants in the North will remain limited by solar radiation, curbing the positive effects of warming and additional CO2 availability. In addition, that same warming could surpass plant temperature tolerances in tropical areas around the world, and further be accompanied by drought.
"Those that think climate change will benefit plants need to see the light, literally and figuratively," says Camilo Mora, professor at the University of Hawai'i at Mānoa's College of Social Sciences and lead author of the new study. "A narrow focus on the factors that influence plant growth has led to major underestimations of the potential impacts of climate change on plants, not only at higher latitudes but more severely in the tropics, exposing the world to dire consequences," he adds.
The new study shows that ongoing climate change will lead to overall declines in plant growing days by 2100 due to a mixture of warming, drought, and limited solar radiation.
Using satellite-derived data, the study identified the ranges of temperatures, soil moisture (water availability) and light (solar radiation) within which 95% of the world's plant growth occurs today. The researchers then used climate projections to count the number of days in a year that will fall within these suitable climate ranges for plant growth in the future.
Although the study did find that warming trends will increase the number of days above freezing at higher latitudes by 7%, these same locations will remain limited by light, a trend that has been missed by previous studies that focused on temperature alone. "Regions at higher latitudes will likely have less frost and snow on the ground in the future, but many plants will not be able to take advantage of those warmer temperatures because there will not be enough sunlight to sustain their growth," says Iain Caldwell, a co-author of the study. "
more at link
Why then did none of this ever happen when it has been warmer before? You have to ask yourself why not a single disaster that these people bleat about has ever occurred when we KNOW it has been much warmer.
A thinking person would begin to ask some very hard questions of them.
Like 'who pays you to deny climate change on message boards?' Questions like that?
No one. I wish I were paid to do it. I am just a scientist who is tired of watching crap science get passed off as good. It's as simple as that. Learn what the scientific method is and then show us how the AGW crowd is following it....or, more to the point, how they have abandoned it.
They haven't abandoned it, every international scientific body, not just one specific body, but all of them, the majority of scientists who actually study the climate, all agree, based on observing trends, data, conducting thousands of studies, that climate change influenced by Man, primarily, is a real thing, and we need to take action. Some scientists deny evolution, I can care less about them. Tell me, are you a climate scientist by any chance?Ah here it is,
Plants may run out of time to grow under ongoing climate change
"The causes and consequences of global warming are still under debate, but what would actually happen to all the plants, essential to many aspects of our lives, if the climate in the planet does get warmer? A new study publishing in the Open Access journal PLOS Biology on June 10th by University of Hawai'i scientists addresses just this question.
A key potential 'benefit' of global warming that has been considered is that plants at northern latitudes will thrive in a warmer world. However, this prevailing assumption ignores the fact that plants in the North will remain limited by solar radiation, curbing the positive effects of warming and additional CO2 availability. In addition, that same warming could surpass plant temperature tolerances in tropical areas around the world, and further be accompanied by drought.
"Those that think climate change will benefit plants need to see the light, literally and figuratively," says Camilo Mora, professor at the University of Hawai'i at Mānoa's College of Social Sciences and lead author of the new study. "A narrow focus on the factors that influence plant growth has led to major underestimations of the potential impacts of climate change on plants, not only at higher latitudes but more severely in the tropics, exposing the world to dire consequences," he adds.
The new study shows that ongoing climate change will lead to overall declines in plant growing days by 2100 due to a mixture of warming, drought, and limited solar radiation.
Using satellite-derived data, the study identified the ranges of temperatures, soil moisture (water availability) and light (solar radiation) within which 95% of the world's plant growth occurs today. The researchers then used climate projections to count the number of days in a year that will fall within these suitable climate ranges for plant growth in the future.
Although the study did find that warming trends will increase the number of days above freezing at higher latitudes by 7%, these same locations will remain limited by light, a trend that has been missed by previous studies that focused on temperature alone. "Regions at higher latitudes will likely have less frost and snow on the ground in the future, but many plants will not be able to take advantage of those warmer temperatures because there will not be enough sunlight to sustain their growth," says Iain Caldwell, a co-author of the study. "
more at link
Why then did none of this ever happen when it has been warmer before? You have to ask yourself why not a single disaster that these people bleat about has ever occurred when we KNOW it has been much warmer.
A thinking person would begin to ask some very hard questions of them.
Like 'who pays you to deny climate change on message boards?' Questions like that?
No one. I wish I were paid to do it. I am just a scientist who is tired of watching crap science get passed off as good. It's as simple as that. Learn what the scientific method is and then show us how the AGW crowd is following it....or, more to the point, how they have abandoned it.
Did you even read what the study was conducted on? CO2 contributes to the destruction of plants, as do sweltering temperatures, and I'm sure climate change studies were being done in the 30's... oh wait, how are you knowing about the death of plants in the 30's? Any data?It was a long term study that was already hypothesized, and it held up to all standards, I'm sorry that actual facts scare you, I know you want to keep destroying the planet.Myths that are easily disposed of by actual science.
Scientists destroy another climate denier myth Rising CO2 levels aren t good for plants - Salon.com
That's what happens when you raise a intellectual cripple and don't challenge them to actually learn HOW to think. The anti science deniers of the AGW crowd merely tell you what to think, not how. If you knew how to think you would cut through their BS too fast..
Actual facts? Yes, they were. However they didn't actually address that which they claimed now did they? CO2 is not a cause of drought. The global temperature was warmer in the 1930's than it is today. I know facts hurt your heads but there you go. Facts are facts.
I'm pretty sure temperatures have been consistently increasing since industrialization, and I'm sure it did happen, it's just we haven't really had extensive research done into the effects of climate change that long ago, and people need to realize going back hundreds of thousands of year, what fucking carbon sinks are.Ah here it is,
Plants may run out of time to grow under ongoing climate change
"The causes and consequences of global warming are still under debate, but what would actually happen to all the plants, essential to many aspects of our lives, if the climate in the planet does get warmer? A new study publishing in the Open Access journal PLOS Biology on June 10th by University of Hawai'i scientists addresses just this question.
A key potential 'benefit' of global warming that has been considered is that plants at northern latitudes will thrive in a warmer world. However, this prevailing assumption ignores the fact that plants in the North will remain limited by solar radiation, curbing the positive effects of warming and additional CO2 availability. In addition, that same warming could surpass plant temperature tolerances in tropical areas around the world, and further be accompanied by drought.
"Those that think climate change will benefit plants need to see the light, literally and figuratively," says Camilo Mora, professor at the University of Hawai'i at Mānoa's College of Social Sciences and lead author of the new study. "A narrow focus on the factors that influence plant growth has led to major underestimations of the potential impacts of climate change on plants, not only at higher latitudes but more severely in the tropics, exposing the world to dire consequences," he adds.
The new study shows that ongoing climate change will lead to overall declines in plant growing days by 2100 due to a mixture of warming, drought, and limited solar radiation.
Using satellite-derived data, the study identified the ranges of temperatures, soil moisture (water availability) and light (solar radiation) within which 95% of the world's plant growth occurs today. The researchers then used climate projections to count the number of days in a year that will fall within these suitable climate ranges for plant growth in the future.
Although the study did find that warming trends will increase the number of days above freezing at higher latitudes by 7%, these same locations will remain limited by light, a trend that has been missed by previous studies that focused on temperature alone. "Regions at higher latitudes will likely have less frost and snow on the ground in the future, but many plants will not be able to take advantage of those warmer temperatures because there will not be enough sunlight to sustain their growth," says Iain Caldwell, a co-author of the study. "
more at link
Why then did none of this ever happen when it has been warmer before? You have to ask yourself why not a single disaster that these people bleat about has ever occurred when we KNOW it has been much warmer.
A thinking person would begin to ask some very hard questions of them.
Could you explain the reasoning that you used to come to those idiotic conclusions?Ah here it is,
Plants may run out of time to grow under ongoing climate change
"The causes and consequences of global warming are still under debate, but what would actually happen to all the plants, essential to many aspects of our lives, if the climate in the planet does get warmer? A new study publishing in the Open Access journal PLOS Biology on June 10th by University of Hawai'i scientists addresses just this question.
A key potential 'benefit' of global warming that has been considered is that plants at northern latitudes will thrive in a warmer world. However, this prevailing assumption ignores the fact that plants in the North will remain limited by solar radiation, curbing the positive effects of warming and additional CO2 availability. In addition, that same warming could surpass plant temperature tolerances in tropical areas around the world, and further be accompanied by drought.
"Those that think climate change will benefit plants need to see the light, literally and figuratively," says Camilo Mora, professor at the University of Hawai'i at Mānoa's College of Social Sciences and lead author of the new study. "A narrow focus on the factors that influence plant growth has led to major underestimations of the potential impacts of climate change on plants, not only at higher latitudes but more severely in the tropics, exposing the world to dire consequences," he adds.
The new study shows that ongoing climate change will lead to overall declines in plant growing days by 2100 due to a mixture of warming, drought, and limited solar radiation.
Using satellite-derived data, the study identified the ranges of temperatures, soil moisture (water availability) and light (solar radiation) within which 95% of the world's plant growth occurs today. The researchers then used climate projections to count the number of days in a year that will fall within these suitable climate ranges for plant growth in the future.
Although the study did find that warming trends will increase the number of days above freezing at higher latitudes by 7%, these same locations will remain limited by light, a trend that has been missed by previous studies that focused on temperature alone. "Regions at higher latitudes will likely have less frost and snow on the ground in the future, but many plants will not be able to take advantage of those warmer temperatures because there will not be enough sunlight to sustain their growth," says Iain Caldwell, a co-author of the study. "
more at link
Why then did none of this ever happen when it has been warmer before? You have to ask yourself why not a single disaster that these people bleat about has ever occurred when we KNOW it has been much warmer.
A thinking person would begin to ask some very hard questions of them.
Like 'who pays you to deny climate change on message boards?' Questions like that?
No one. I wish I were paid to do it. I am just a scientist who is tired of watching crap science get passed off as good. It's as simple as that. Learn what the scientific method is and then show us how the AGW crowd is following it....or, more to the point, how they have abandoned it.
Simple risk-analysis:
- if climate change isn't occuring and we take steps to combat it, nothing bad will happen.
- if climate change IS occuring and we DON'T take steps to combat it, we die.
Ah here it is,
Plants may run out of time to grow under ongoing climate change
"The causes and consequences of global warming are still under debate, but what would actually happen to all the plants, essential to many aspects of our lives, if the climate in the planet does get warmer? A new study publishing in the Open Access journal PLOS Biology on June 10th by University of Hawai'i scientists addresses just this question.
A key potential 'benefit' of global warming that has been considered is that plants at northern latitudes will thrive in a warmer world. However, this prevailing assumption ignores the fact that plants in the North will remain limited by solar radiation, curbing the positive effects of warming and additional CO2 availability. In addition, that same warming could surpass plant temperature tolerances in tropical areas around the world, and further be accompanied by drought.
"Those that think climate change will benefit plants need to see the light, literally and figuratively," says Camilo Mora, professor at the University of Hawai'i at Mānoa's College of Social Sciences and lead author of the new study. "A narrow focus on the factors that influence plant growth has led to major underestimations of the potential impacts of climate change on plants, not only at higher latitudes but more severely in the tropics, exposing the world to dire consequences," he adds.
The new study shows that ongoing climate change will lead to overall declines in plant growing days by 2100 due to a mixture of warming, drought, and limited solar radiation.
Using satellite-derived data, the study identified the ranges of temperatures, soil moisture (water availability) and light (solar radiation) within which 95% of the world's plant growth occurs today. The researchers then used climate projections to count the number of days in a year that will fall within these suitable climate ranges for plant growth in the future.
Although the study did find that warming trends will increase the number of days above freezing at higher latitudes by 7%, these same locations will remain limited by light, a trend that has been missed by previous studies that focused on temperature alone. "Regions at higher latitudes will likely have less frost and snow on the ground in the future, but many plants will not be able to take advantage of those warmer temperatures because there will not be enough sunlight to sustain their growth," says Iain Caldwell, a co-author of the study. "
more at link
Why then did none of this ever happen when it has been warmer before? You have to ask yourself why not a single disaster that these people bleat about has ever occurred when we KNOW it has been much warmer.
A thinking person would begin to ask some very hard questions of them.
Like 'who pays you to deny climate change on message boards?' Questions like that?
No one. I wish I were paid to do it. I am just a scientist who is tired of watching crap science get passed off as good. It's as simple as that. Learn what the scientific method is and then show us how the AGW crowd is following it....or, more to the point, how they have abandoned it.
Simple risk-analysis:
- if climate change isn't occuring and we take steps to combat it, nothing bad will happen.
- if climate change IS occuring and we DON'T take steps to combat it, we die.
They haven't abandoned it, every international scientific body, not just one specific body, but all of them, the majority of scientists who actually study the climate, all agree, based on observing trends, data, conducting thousands of studies, that climate change influenced by Man, primarily, is a real thing, and we need to take action. Some scientists deny evolution, I can care less about them. Tell me, are you a climate scientist by any chance?Ah here it is,
Plants may run out of time to grow under ongoing climate change
"The causes and consequences of global warming are still under debate, but what would actually happen to all the plants, essential to many aspects of our lives, if the climate in the planet does get warmer? A new study publishing in the Open Access journal PLOS Biology on June 10th by University of Hawai'i scientists addresses just this question.
A key potential 'benefit' of global warming that has been considered is that plants at northern latitudes will thrive in a warmer world. However, this prevailing assumption ignores the fact that plants in the North will remain limited by solar radiation, curbing the positive effects of warming and additional CO2 availability. In addition, that same warming could surpass plant temperature tolerances in tropical areas around the world, and further be accompanied by drought.
"Those that think climate change will benefit plants need to see the light, literally and figuratively," says Camilo Mora, professor at the University of Hawai'i at Mānoa's College of Social Sciences and lead author of the new study. "A narrow focus on the factors that influence plant growth has led to major underestimations of the potential impacts of climate change on plants, not only at higher latitudes but more severely in the tropics, exposing the world to dire consequences," he adds.
The new study shows that ongoing climate change will lead to overall declines in plant growing days by 2100 due to a mixture of warming, drought, and limited solar radiation.
Using satellite-derived data, the study identified the ranges of temperatures, soil moisture (water availability) and light (solar radiation) within which 95% of the world's plant growth occurs today. The researchers then used climate projections to count the number of days in a year that will fall within these suitable climate ranges for plant growth in the future.
Although the study did find that warming trends will increase the number of days above freezing at higher latitudes by 7%, these same locations will remain limited by light, a trend that has been missed by previous studies that focused on temperature alone. "Regions at higher latitudes will likely have less frost and snow on the ground in the future, but many plants will not be able to take advantage of those warmer temperatures because there will not be enough sunlight to sustain their growth," says Iain Caldwell, a co-author of the study. "
more at link
Why then did none of this ever happen when it has been warmer before? You have to ask yourself why not a single disaster that these people bleat about has ever occurred when we KNOW it has been much warmer.
A thinking person would begin to ask some very hard questions of them.
Like 'who pays you to deny climate change on message boards?' Questions like that?
No one. I wish I were paid to do it. I am just a scientist who is tired of watching crap science get passed off as good. It's as simple as that. Learn what the scientific method is and then show us how the AGW crowd is following it....or, more to the point, how they have abandoned it.
I'm pretty sure temperatures have been consistently increasing since industrialization, and I'm sure it did happen, it's just we haven't really had extensive research done into the effects of climate change that long ago, and people need to realize going back hundreds of thousands of year, what fucking carbon sinks are.Ah here it is,
Plants may run out of time to grow under ongoing climate change
"The causes and consequences of global warming are still under debate, but what would actually happen to all the plants, essential to many aspects of our lives, if the climate in the planet does get warmer? A new study publishing in the Open Access journal PLOS Biology on June 10th by University of Hawai'i scientists addresses just this question.
A key potential 'benefit' of global warming that has been considered is that plants at northern latitudes will thrive in a warmer world. However, this prevailing assumption ignores the fact that plants in the North will remain limited by solar radiation, curbing the positive effects of warming and additional CO2 availability. In addition, that same warming could surpass plant temperature tolerances in tropical areas around the world, and further be accompanied by drought.
"Those that think climate change will benefit plants need to see the light, literally and figuratively," says Camilo Mora, professor at the University of Hawai'i at Mānoa's College of Social Sciences and lead author of the new study. "A narrow focus on the factors that influence plant growth has led to major underestimations of the potential impacts of climate change on plants, not only at higher latitudes but more severely in the tropics, exposing the world to dire consequences," he adds.
The new study shows that ongoing climate change will lead to overall declines in plant growing days by 2100 due to a mixture of warming, drought, and limited solar radiation.
Using satellite-derived data, the study identified the ranges of temperatures, soil moisture (water availability) and light (solar radiation) within which 95% of the world's plant growth occurs today. The researchers then used climate projections to count the number of days in a year that will fall within these suitable climate ranges for plant growth in the future.
Although the study did find that warming trends will increase the number of days above freezing at higher latitudes by 7%, these same locations will remain limited by light, a trend that has been missed by previous studies that focused on temperature alone. "Regions at higher latitudes will likely have less frost and snow on the ground in the future, but many plants will not be able to take advantage of those warmer temperatures because there will not be enough sunlight to sustain their growth," says Iain Caldwell, a co-author of the study. "
more at link
Why then did none of this ever happen when it has been warmer before? You have to ask yourself why not a single disaster that these people bleat about has ever occurred when we KNOW it has been much warmer.
A thinking person would begin to ask some very hard questions of them.
