Russia has lost 11,000 Troops, 285 Tanks and nearly 100 Aircraft

[GLASNOST]

Well it is their country they should know what's going on. Who do you want to believe the Russians ? putin is lying to his own people, if he told them the truth, they would hang him and immediately stop the war.

Have you never wondered why American presidents have men in suits and sunglasses surrounding them 24/7? It ain't for fear of Russians that's for sure.

 

[GLASNOST]

If they are a neutral nation, then why would they consider joining NATO ???

That's the question/point.

Ok so what is the purpose of NATO ? Why was it formed ? Was it due to the possibility of a war with Russia in the future that caused it to be formed ??

No. It was due to the possibility of a war with the USSR in the future that caused it to be formed or simply to draw a line in the sand.

NATO was formally established in April 1949, four years after World World 2 – when the West were worried about a potential attack by the Soviet Union.

Either that or the fear that western populations would begin to see the advantages of Socialism. Sovjet Communism had a chance to do something good but Stalin dashed it and his legacy only started to wane when Gorbatjov began introducing reforms along the lines that Alexander Dubček suggested, but ..... too late.

Now if NATO was created to deter Soviet power and agression, then wouldn't the slow increase in nation's joining or wanting to join NATO, therefore signal to Russia that they are still looked at as the old former Soviet Union ??

Yes.

 

[Turtlesoup]

The Russian defence ministry, in its first report on casualties earlier last week, had said that 498 Russian troops were killed while 1,597 more sustained wounds.

There has been no immediate Russian reaction to Sunday’s claims by Ukraine’s military command.

Well PUtin is begging the Syrians and now China to send in troops to take out tiny ukraine--think putin lying about the numbers of his dead. He would have had to lose a shit load to need reinforcements from elsewhere.

 

[Doc7505]

The US found out that keeping the peace after an invasion is where the real casualties occur

Russia cannot maintain the invasion

The Russians will sustain the invasion at all costs and in the process devastate the Ukraine just as they did in Grozny and Chechnya.
Other than the belligerents China, Iran and Syria they don't have that many allies. China will not back Russia in a war.
It's a shame that Ukrainians and Russians have to die for political reasons. But aren't all wars ideologically political.

 

[GLASNOST]

The Russians will sustain the invasion at all costs and in the process devastate the Ukraine .......

Russia's offer is still on the table: Stay out of NATO and recognize the free Republics of Donetsk and Luhansk .... then the Russians will go home. There it is plain and simple. Does the clown in Kyev want to continue cashing his paychecks from Washington and subject his people to the slaughter or does he want peace for Ukraine?

 

[Ringo]

the Ukrainians chose the West after years of being second class citizens in their own country

And they became third-class citizens, ranking last in the world and in Europe in terms of living standards and economic development. While in the USSR, the Ukrainian Republic was one of the most developed in Europe.

 

[GLASNOST]

And they became third-class citizens, ranking last in the world and in Europe in terms of living standards and economic development. While in the USSR, the Ukrainian Republic was one of the most developed in Europe.

First of all, I have been to every European nation both east and west and I would never refer to Ukraine as “one of the most developed in Europe”. But I suspect that you are only joking.

Speaking of the eastern counties, I have been to most of them both during the Soviet period and after. Post-Sovjet, those countries prospered “on the surface” (for sure) but Ukraine looks to have suffered greatly from the loss of Socialism. It’s not the only former Sovjet nation that has suffered because of it but to think of Ukraine as a cherry fine country whose freedom or Democracy is being stifled by Russia is a fairy tale. It is the US (during the last few years anyway) that is guilty of that crime. The last time I was in Ukraine I saw children as young as approximately 10-years-old selling flowers on the street, doped-up on what I assumed to be glue-sniffing. I never saw poverty, unemployment or anything like that in any of the eastern countries during the Sovjet era. Eastern Europe had a low standard of living during Communism but they had work, food, medical care, education (inferior) and a roof over their heads. The fall of Communism has caused great suffering in many of those countries.

 

[Ringo]

education (inferior)

Really?!

 

[rightwinger]

The Russians will sustain the invasion at all costs and in the process devastate the Ukraine just as they did in Grozny and Chechnya.
Other than the belligerents China, Iran and Syria they don't have that many allies. China will not back Russia in a war.
It's a shame that Ukrainians and Russians have to die for political reasons. But aren't all wars ideologically political.

Putin has painted himself into a corner
At this point, he has to save face

He do whatever it takes to win, and he will win

But what then?
His economy can’t sustain an occupation of Ukraine if there is a resistance

 

[Litwin]

Ukraine says more than 11,000 Russian troops killed since invasion began

Ukraine makes the claim on the eleventh day of the Russian invasion

news.yahoo.com

Russia has a vast army but these kinds of losses in just 10 days of fighting are unsustainable, even for them. I heard one general say Russia will have Ukraine in 90 days, but what will be left of their army by then? Even worse will be trying to hold the country after that, as Russia moves on to attack Moldova and possibly Khaghastan.

 

[Silver Cat]

Putin has painted himself into a corner
At this point, he has to save face

He do whatever it takes to win, and he will win

But what then?
His economy can’t sustain an occupation of Ukraine if there is a resistance

And who said, that there will be a resistance? What is even more important, after taking Ukraine under his control, he'll be able to earn much more money.

 

[rightwinger]

And who said, that there will be a resistance? What is even more important, after taking Ukraine under his control, he'll be able to earn much more money.

6000 dead Russians says there is resistance
Arming the civilians says there is resistance
Count on the West to keep sending anti-tank and surface to air missiles

What makes you think sanctions will end once Russia takes Ukraine?

 

[Silver Cat]

6000 dead Russians says there is resistance
Arming the civilians says there is resistance
Count on the West to keep sending anti-tank and surface to air missiles

In fact, in the Eastern and Southern regions population itself is more or less pro-Russian. Where are no nationalistic groups (like in Melitopol, Kherson and many other cities) - there are no real resistance, and people, including cops, local authorities, and even some military units are quite cooperative with the Russians.
What is even more important, process of de-Nazification (in Russian understanding) means total elimination of nationalists (that's why they don't suggest them to surrender to save their lives, and that's why members of Freikorps usually don't try to surrender.)
Volkssturm (actually - untrained civilians) are more dangerous for other civilians, and mostly use the weapon to protect themselves in the chaos of the war.

What makes you think sanctions will end once Russia takes Ukraine?

Because if they not end - the Crisis of European Security will become Collapse of Europe this fall.

 

[GLASNOST]

..... during the Sovjet era. Eastern Europe had ..... education (inferior) ....

Really?!

Yes. The education in the East Bloc was equal to that of the Americans both then and now ie. political propaganda in every subject. After the end of the Cold War, east Europeans were prone to a more open-minded Western European perestroika education but the Americans are still fed the same old misinformation, disinformation and propaganda.

NOTE: Here is something mindboggling! I was unsure of the spelling of "perestroika" so I looked it up on Google .... NOT THERE! Censored? I guess so! I had to search on Quant! Goodbye Google, goodbye!

Ps. Just check Google again. It's back.