Russia gains air superiority over usa on obama's watch!!!

[beowolfe]

In the business they call this an old fashioned "B*tch Slap." However i do agree with those saying that Russia has not gained air superiority over us. They might be claiming this but it just isn't the case. Putin just got one over on the inexperienced "Community Organizer." He simply made nice-nice with him for a bit and then delivered a stinging B*tch Slap. Expect more of this in the future from many other nations.

LOL....You're all over the place on this one.

 

[NYcarbineer]

I thought the Cold War was over, and Ronald Reagan won it. I guess that was more rightwing horseshit.

 

[Modbert]

I thought the Cold War was over, and Ronald Reagan won it. I guess that was more rightwing horseshit.

 

[uscitizen]

And the F22 is the only model of plane we have?

 

[Big Fitz]

Defense of this nation is on the second column on second page near the bottom of P-BO's priorities. Double columned, 10 point font, with half inch top and bottom margin.

 

[Big Fitz]

We're not building F-18 Hornets, F-16 Falcons, or F-15 Eagles if that's what you're thinking. Hell, the B-52 was supposed to be gone 10 years ago, but they're still flying. Our military force is becoming like our Navy was at the start of WW2, Mothball relics and obsolete antiques.

SO of course P-BO wants to shut down their replacements. He probably dreams of the day China or Russia invade so he can quickly surrender.

 

[geauxtohell]

Barry cancels the F-22. Russia builds a next generation aircraft that's as good or better.

Way to weaken a nation Barry.

Russia's first stealth fighter makes maiden flight - Yahoo! News

The F-22 was scrapped long before Obama was in office, and rightfully so.

Gates is doing a good job of distributing assets where they are needed.

 

[geauxtohell]

We're not building F-18 Hornets, F-16 Falcons, or F-15 Eagles if that's what you're thinking. Hell, the B-52 was supposed to be gone 10 years ago, but they're still flying. Our military force is becoming like our Navy was at the start of WW2, Mothball relics and obsolete antiques.

SO of course P-BO wants to shut down their replacements. He probably dreams of the day China or Russia invade so he can quickly surrender.

Don't be dense.

The A-10 was heading for the scrapheap until it's CAS role became vital to the GWOT, now it is one of the most used platforms in the AF. That's why the B-52 is still flying too. On the other hand, what is the point in dumping more money into fighter jets that have to be retrofitted for a CAS mission anyways? I mean, it's not like the Taliban is going to engage use in aerial warfare.

Mothball relics and obsolete antiques? We have some of the most advanced equipment in the history of warfare. Why scrap a good weapon simply because it is "old"?

The mission drives the use of the equipment, not some political agenda.

 

[beowolfe]

We're not building F-18 Hornets, F-16 Falcons, or F-15 Eagles if that's what you're thinking. Hell, the B-52 was supposed to be gone 10 years ago, but they're still flying. Our military force is becoming like our Navy was at the start of WW2, Mothball relics and obsolete antiques.

SO of course P-BO wants to shut down their replacements. He probably dreams of the day China or Russia invade so he can quickly surrender.

I guess it wouldn't matter that it was the Air Force and DOD who asked the POTUS to kill the F-22 program, huh? Nor would it matter that the Air Force and DOD have been trying to kill this program long before Obama became POTUS.

 

[beowolfe]

We're not building F-18 Hornets, F-16 Falcons, or F-15 Eagles if that's what you're thinking. Hell, the B-52 was supposed to be gone 10 years ago, but they're still flying. Our military force is becoming like our Navy was at the start of WW2, Mothball relics and obsolete antiques.

SO of course P-BO wants to shut down their replacements. He probably dreams of the day China or Russia invade so he can quickly surrender.

No we're not. We're building F-135's. A much better, more cost effective, airplane for what we need today. The F-22 is the plane for the war that was never fought.

 

[Cold Fusion38]

If we could put the P-51 back in service it would handle MOST Russian jets. LOL!

 

[Cold Fusion38]

You all may want to face the fact that fighter jocks are going the way of the unmanned drone. That and cruise missile destroyers. Why put an American body in risk? A fighter jet that doesn't have to deal with the FRAILTY of the human body would be UNMATCHED by any HUMAN piloted fighter jet. 10G turns? How bout 20?

 

[Big Fitz]

We're not building F-18 Hornets, F-16 Falcons, or F-15 Eagles if that's what you're thinking. Hell, the B-52 was supposed to be gone 10 years ago, but they're still flying. Our military force is becoming like our Navy was at the start of WW2, Mothball relics and obsolete antiques.

SO of course P-BO wants to shut down their replacements. He probably dreams of the day China or Russia invade so he can quickly surrender.

No we're not. We're building F-135's. A much better, more cost effective, airplane for what we need today. The F-22 is the plane for the war that was never fought.

Yes, I know that about the F22 being canceled by the military. But I was hearing rumors of the F35 also having problems being put into production. That was my only reason for concern. A gap in replacement technology.

As for the Warthog and B 52, I know they're being kept around because they're still effective. But, the airframes are hitting the wall, unless we're still building em.

Regardless, P-BO could give a shit about our national security except in how it reflects on his legacy.

 

[Big Fitz]

You all may want to face the fact that fighter jocks are going the way of the unmanned drone. That and cruise missile destroyers. Why put an American body in risk? A fighter jet that doesn't have to deal with the FRAILTY of the human body would be UNMATCHED by any HUMAN piloted fighter jet. 10G turns? How bout 20?

Yep. Keep the pilots safe at home playing videogames and let a piece of equipment no longer hamstrung by the limits of the human body take over.

 

[Cold Fusion38]

A much lighter, faster, more responsive military is what will win the wars of the future. That and electronic warfare. If you want to be WORRIED about something be worried about China's space program and their internet warfare units.

 

[Navy1960]

Ahh, the F-22 well here is an aircraft that does seem to draw sides does it not? IMHO the F-22 while not as cheap to fly as existing F-15's. F-16's, or F-18's it is unmatched at the moment by any nation in performance. Now having said that the development of the TA-50 which is a proto-type as was the YF-22 does show that nations like Russia and China fully intend to develop a counter to the F-22 , so the agrument that it is a cold war relic is a dead one. To my knowledge the only aircraft in air combat simulation to ever have scored a kill against a F-22 was a EA-18 Growler which did so with a radar kill. This shows that stealth is not 100% sure but make no mistake the F-22 is a very good aircraft and this can be seen in the almost routine reforformance against F-15's in combat sims which as of my last check was somewhere around 180-0 The suggestion that the new Russian aircraft represents a change in air superiority is a bit of a stretch but it should be noted that in several simulations with the SU-35 and the SU-27 against what Sec. Gates and the Administration is banking on the F-35 have been a disaster. In fact it is one of the primary reasons why the RAAF is hedging on the F-35 with the F-18 E/F. One other thing to consider here is the Germans on a routine basis fly agianst US Navy and Air Force F-15's, F-16's and F-18's with their Mig-29's left over from the cold war and perform well if not better than their American counterparts. Having said all of this there are some very good solutions out there that are not getting much play, that many may not even know about... here is a little info...

Boeing today unveiled a new F-15 prototype aimed at the international market with such "fifth-generation" add-ons as radar absorbent coatings, internal weapons carriage and integrated digital avionics, plus featuring a distinctive V-tail.

Improving the fourth generation fighter’s profile on air-to-air radar is Boeing’s key goal for the F-15SE, which the company plans to offer to five foreign countries with an estimated market for 190 orders.

PICTURES: Boeing unveils upgraded F-15 Silent Eagle with fifth-generation features-17/03/2009-Washington DC-Flight International


The F-16IN Super Viper is a unique new fighter sharing a heritage with the world's only fifth generation fighters – the F-35 Lightning II Joint Strike Fighter and the F-22 Raptor. Evolutionary integration of fifth generation technologies makes the F-16IN the most advanced fourth generation fighter in the world today.

This ultimate fourth generation fighter is tailored exclusively to meet or exceed all of India’s Medium Multi Role Combat Aircraft (MMRCA) requirements. The F-16IN is the right choice for the Indian Air Force (IAF) and is ready for integration into India’s infrastructure and operations
F-16IN Super Viper | Lockheed Martin


If these 2 aircraft represent half the cost of the F-35 and the F-22 with performance that is close to them, then the DoD should give them serious consideration.

 

[Cold Fusion38]

You all may want to face the fact that fighter jocks are going the way of the unmanned drone. That and cruise missile destroyers. Why put an American body in risk? A fighter jet that doesn't have to deal with the FRAILTY of the human body would be UNMATCHED by any HUMAN piloted fighter jet. 10G turns? How bout 20?

Yep. Keep the pilots safe at home playing videogames and let a piece of equipment no longer hamstrung by the limits of the human body take over.

Does that mean you AGREE with my assesment? The ONLY risk is making sure NOBODY can take control of an unmanned aircraft. They may end up being AI piloted. A computer can recognise and destroy targets FAR faster than ANY human being is capable of.

 

[Big Fitz]

You all may want to face the fact that fighter jocks are going the way of the unmanned drone. That and cruise missile destroyers. Why put an American body in risk? A fighter jet that doesn't have to deal with the FRAILTY of the human body would be UNMATCHED by any HUMAN piloted fighter jet. 10G turns? How bout 20?

Yep. Keep the pilots safe at home playing videogames and let a piece of equipment no longer hamstrung by the limits of the human body take over.

Does that mean you AGREE with my assesment? The ONLY risk is making sure NOBODY can take control of an unmanned aircraft. They may end up being AI piloted. A computer can recognise and destroy targets FAR faster than ANY human being is capable of.

Not the only risk, but the biggest one yes.

Then again, as an aside, for a science fiction scenario, I've been considering how supreme drones will be in the future. It's incredible when you think about it. Make em small like the predator, or make em full size, they suddenly have a lot more ammo and fuel without the need for a cockpit. The possibilities are amazing.

This is why Boeing is smartly, focusing more on designing drones for future combat.

 

[Navy1960]

You all may want to face the fact that fighter jocks are going the way of the unmanned drone. That and cruise missile destroyers. Why put an American body in risk? A fighter jet that doesn't have to deal with the FRAILTY of the human body would be UNMATCHED by any HUMAN piloted fighter jet. 10G turns? How bout 20?

Yep. Keep the pilots safe at home playing videogames and let a piece of equipment no longer hamstrung by the limits of the human body take over.

Does that mean you AGREE with my assesment? The ONLY risk is making sure NOBODY can take control of an unmanned aircraft. They may end up being AI piloted. A computer can recognise and destroy targets FAR faster than ANY human being is capable of.

Here you go Cold on the UCAV Front...

SAN DIEGO — It will be a much-watched but close-hold event in the Mojave Desert north of Los Angeles in November, when the unmanned bomber drone takes to the air for its first real flight sortie.

That maiden flight of the X-47B at Edwards Air Force Base, Calif., will be a key milestone in its test program. Its next critical test will be landing on an aircraft carrier at sea.

The batwing X-47B is Northrop Grumman’s design for a tailless, pilotless autonomous aircraft that can remotely launch and recover aboard aircraft carriers. The aircraft, which Northrop Grumman and the Navy in December unveiled as the UCAS-Demonstrator — short for unmanned combat air system — will go “wheels up” in early November.

Sea trials are planned to begin in 2011 on the East Coast aboard the carriers Harry S. Truman and Dwight D. Eisenhower, said Tim Beard, a retired rear admiral and pilot who is leading Northrop Grumman’s X-47B program on carrier integration.

In 2007, Northrop Grumman got a $636 million Navy contract to build a carrier-based aircraft and inherited a UCAS program worth $809 million that “all of a sudden got sea legs,” Beard said.
X-47B scheduled to launch at sea in 2011 - Navy News, news from Iraq - Navy Times


X-47B will operate above 40,000 feet, fly at high subsonic speeds and have a combat radius of 1,500 nautical miles. In addition to capabilities needed for the UCAS Demonstration, X-47B has an internal payload capacity of 4,500 pounds and provisions for a variety of sensors, including EO, IR, SAR, GMTI and ESM.
U.S. Navy's Unmanned Combat Air System Demonstration (UCAS-D) Program

 

[rightwinger]

Yep. Keep the pilots safe at home playing videogames and let a piece of equipment no longer hamstrung by the limits of the human body take over.

Does that mean you AGREE with my assesment? The ONLY risk is making sure NOBODY can take control of an unmanned aircraft. They may end up being AI piloted. A computer can recognise and destroy targets FAR faster than ANY human being is capable of.

Not the only risk, but the biggest one yes.

Then again, as an aside, for a science fiction scenario, I've been considering how supreme drones will be in the future. It's incredible when you think about it. Make em small like the predator, or make em full size, they suddenly have a lot more ammo and fuel without the need for a cockpit. The possibilities are amazing.

This is why Boeing is smartly, focusing more on designing drones for future combat.

Unmanned fighters would be less expensive, more maneuverable , lighter, faster and more lethal.
Thats what we should be replacing our F-22s with