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ROFLMNAO...
'The workers' have never made anyone rich... The premise is absurd... If you want to see the wealth production which 'the workers' are capable of producing, take a peek at the Somalia... nothing BUT workers there. If "the workers' were capable of creating wealth, Somalia wouldn't look like this>>>
Well, to use the same illogic, a dollar bill never lifted a brick. You have to pay a worker to lift the brick.
So what? Who suggested otherwise?
In reality, it takes BOTH Capital AND Labor working together to produce wealth.
Workers do not produce wealth, they produce products... and unlike that product, workers are a liability, not an asset.
Well, to use the same illogic, a dollar bill never lifted a brick. You have to pay a worker to lift the brick.
So what? Who suggested otherwise?
In reality, it takes BOTH Capital AND Labor working together to produce wealth.
Workers do not produce wealth, they produce products... and unlike that product, workers are a liability, not an asset.
That's right WORKERS produce MORE valuable products from less valuable resources, so Capital can buy the resources and the machinery, but it STILL takes hands to serve the machines. So the ADDED value that exists in the products that create wealth STILL requires Labor in the formula.
You are a typical ELITIST.
So what? Who suggested otherwise?
Workers do not produce wealth, they produce products... and unlike that product, workers are a liability, not an asset.
That's right WORKERS produce MORE valuable products from less valuable resources, so Capital can buy the resources and the machinery, but it STILL takes hands to serve the machines. So the ADDED value that exists in the products that create wealth STILL requires Labor in the formula.
You are a typical ELITIST.
So do 'workers' invent products? Do they invest in their creation? Do they cover the start up costs? Do they pay all the overhead involved with the production of those products? Do they provide the raw materials?
So what? Who suggested otherwise?
Workers do not produce wealth, they produce products... and unlike that product, workers are a liability, not an asset.
That's right WORKERS produce MORE valuable products from less valuable resources, so Capital can buy the resources and the machinery, but it STILL takes hands to serve the machines. So the ADDED value that exists in the products that create wealth STILL requires Labor in the formula.
You are a typical ELITIST.
So do 'workers' invent products? Do they invest in their creation? Do they cover the start up costs? Do they pay all the overhead involved with the production of those products? Do they provide the raw materials?
Fuck me. I'm a 'worker' in my field, and I know that my company provides a lot of shit that I would not want to deal with. Just the health insurance benefits and regulations alone are enough to drive a person into the bottom of a bottle. Do the ppl that own and run the company I work for make more money than me? Hell Yes! But I still own a house and do okay, but I'm not jealous of them. They did all the work to get the company going. They took a lot of risks, and still do considering all the frivolous lawsuits that take place today from sissies that are just looking for a free ride from people like them. So therfore, they deserve to make more than me.
You friggin people need to let go of your jealousy and hatred and grow up.
way to show how little you actually knowTrying to discuss political and economic theory with people who don't understand poltical and economic theory is pointless.
All one can do is lead these folks to the truth and then expect to be pummeled with insults as they become enraged that they cannot understand it.
In the land of the blind the one-eyed man is not king, he is mocked and if the people get their idiotic way, he is blinded as soon as possible, too.
Workers do not produce wealth, they produce products... and unlike that product, workers are a liability, not an asset.
The problem is that you're arguing with individuals who can't be expected to know the first thing about economics, such as Pubicus and AllieBabble. For instance, they derive nothing from my repeated observation that the economic framework of capitalism necessitates a scheme in which the private ownership of the means of production (acquired through a coercive process of "primitive accumulation") and consequent hierarchical subordination of labor under capital enables the extraction of surplus value from the working class in the production process through the use of wage labor and subsequent utilization in the circulation process in order to perpetuate a vicious cycle of capital accumulation. Perhaps a visual representation would be more suitable?
The problem is that you're arguing with individuals who can't be expected to know the first thing about economics, such as Pubicus and AllieBabble. For instance, they derive nothing from my repeated observation that the economic framework of capitalism necessitates a scheme in which the private ownership of the means of production (acquired through a coercive process of "primitive accumulation") and consequent hierarchical subordination of labor under capital enables the extraction of surplus value from the working class in the production process through the use of wage labor and subsequent utilization in the circulation process in order to perpetuate a vicious cycle of capital accumulation. Perhaps a visual representation would be more suitable?
Cute little cartoon Agna....but it doesn't tell the whole story....how about the guy that slaves and saves enough money to start his own business....a guy who hires other guys who need jobs....a guy who works super hard in order to make more money than just a lowly paycheck....that is the real story of America.....we have the liberty and freedom and opportunity to create our own business and bigger profits....which is the total antithesis of marxist liberal socialist communists who target capitalism because they can't stand real Americans who strive for more out of life.....Americans are winners and anti-capitalists are whiny losers...
good pointsThe problem is that you're arguing with individuals who can't be expected to know the first thing about economics, such as Pubicus and AllieBabble. For instance, they derive nothing from my repeated observation that the economic framework of capitalism necessitates a scheme in which the private ownership of the means of production (acquired through a coercive process of "primitive accumulation") and consequent hierarchical subordination of labor under capital enables the extraction of surplus value from the working class in the production process through the use of wage labor and subsequent utilization in the circulation process in order to perpetuate a vicious cycle of capital accumulation. Perhaps a visual representation would be more suitable?
Cute little cartoon Agna....but it doesn't tell the whole story....how about the guy that slaves and saves enough money to start his own business....a guy who hires other guys who need jobs....a guy who works super hard in order to make more money than just a lowly paycheck....that is the real story of America.....we have the liberty and freedom and opportunity to create our own business and bigger profits....which is the total antithesis of marxist liberal socialist communists who target capitalism because they can't stand real Americans who strive for more out of life.....Americans are winners and anti-capitalists are whiny losers...
Should the player on the bench get the same pay as the franchise player,should the rodies be paid the same as the rock stars,should
Woopies hair dresser be paid the same as Woopie. Should the chef
at the white house be paid the same as the Pres. and why not..
Workers do not produce wealth, they produce products... and unlike that product, workers are a liability, not an asset.
Seriously? Pubic, is this a common belief held among Republicans?ROFLMNAO...
'The workers' have never made anyone rich... The premise is absurd... If you want to see the wealth production which 'the workers' are capable of producing, take a peek at the Somalia... nothing BUT workers there. If "the workers' were capable of creating wealth, Somalia wouldn't look like this>>>
Well, to use the same illogic, a dollar bill never lifted a brick. You have to pay a worker to lift the brick.
So what? Who suggested otherwise?
ROFL... Hey you tell yourself whatever ya need to in order to feel better about your inadequacies.In reality, it takes BOTH Capital AND Labor working together to produce wealth.
Workers do not produce wealth, they produce products... and unlike that product, workers are a liability, not an asset.
Cute little cartoon Agna....but it doesn't tell the whole story....how about the guy that slaves and saves enough money to start his own business....a guy who hires other guys who need jobs....a guy who works super hard in order to make more money than just a lowly paycheck....that is the real story of America.....we have the liberty and freedom and opportunity to create our own business and bigger profits....which is the total antithesis of marxist liberal socialist communists who target capitalism because they can't stand real Americans who strive for more out of life.....Americans are winners and anti-capitalists are whiny losers...
Should the player on the bench get the same pay as the franchise player,should the rodies be paid the same as the rock stars,should Woopies hair dresser be paid the same as Woopie. Should the chef at the white house be paid the same as the Pres. and why not..
good points
The problem is that you're arguing with individuals who can't be expected to know the first thing about economics, such as Pubicus and AllieBabble.
AggravatedProstate said:For instance, they derive nothing from my repeated observation that the economic framework of capitalism necessitates a scheme in which the private ownership of the means of production (acquired through a coercive process of "primitive accumulation") and consequent hierarchical subordination of labor under capital enables the extraction of surplus value from the working class in the production process through the use of wage labor and subsequent utilization in the circulation process in order to perpetuate a vicious cycle of capital accumulation.
He has let his extreme fan base give him such an overblown self-image.. He's hiding a lot of problems under all that fat and behind that enormous ego.
His rabid fans look past his shortcomings.
Honestly, I don't think his fans care about his dick. I don't think he cares about his dick because I doubt he's even seen his dick in years.