Rosenstein / Mueller At It Again - Inventing Crimes To Intimidate / Get a Plea Deal

[jc456]

Why does the special counsel need to invent an offense to get a guilty plea?

Why doesn’t he demand a plea to one of the several truly egregious statutory crimes he claims have been committed?

Good questions.

These columns have many times observed Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein’s failure to set limits on Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s investigation. To trigger the appointment of a special counsel, federal regulations require the Justice Department to identify the crimes that warrant investigation and prosecution — crimes that the Justice Department is too conflicted to investigate in the normal course; crimes that become the parameters of the special counsel’s jurisdiction.

Rosenstein, instead, put the cart before the horse: Mueller was invited to conduct a fishing expedition, a boundless quest to hunt for undiscovered crimes, rather than an investigation and prosecution of known crimes.

That deviation, it turns out, is not the half of it. With Rosenstein’s passive approval, Mueller is shredding Justice Department charging policy by alleging earth-shattering crimes, then cutting a sweetheart deal that shields the defendant from liability for those crimes and from the penalties prescribed by Congress. The special counsel, moreover, has become a legislature unto himself, promulgating the new, grandiose crime of “conspiracy against the United States” by distorting the concept of “fraud.”


As already recorded in their past, both men are guilty of prosecutorial misconduct and highly questionable professional ethics. In the past, as we have seen and is being reported in this Witch Hunt, Mueller has bullied and intimidated witnesses / suspects, indicted issued huge over-the-top indictments without having ample evidence just to intimidate a suspect to get weak plea deals and agreements to 'cooperate'. Rosenstein has even, as records show, withheld evidence that would have prevented innocent people from going to jail. Even worse, Rosenstein even CREATED / MANUFACTURED crimes against innocent people in order to send them to jail...after which they were later freed...AFTER going to jail. (Why THAT SOB - actually he and Mueller BOTH - is (are) not in jail today is a mystery as well as a travesty of justice.)


The Manafort / Gates Indictment is a perfect example of all of this:

MASSIVE, Over-The-Top insignificant-to-the-investigation-purpose Indictment for the purpose of intimidating witnesses / suspects then offering a SWEET deal in hopes of / in order to get a plea to a much lesser crime and an agreement to help ensnare the real target.

After bing charged with investigating Russian Collusion and Russian Interference in the 2016 election, Mueller charged Manafort and Gates with MASSIVE Money Laundering and Conspiracy Charges DATNIG BACK TO BEFORE OBAMA WAS INITIALLY ELECTED PRESIDENT...nothing to do with the purpose of his investigation. Mueller made sure there was a whole host of felony charges filed. Gates faced a minimum of 30 years in jail...before Mueller offered to drop all charges except to extremely minor charges that called for 0 (ZERO) - 5 Years IF HE AGREED TO COOPERATE.

Mueller and Rosenstein are 'shredding' the DOJ's prosecutorial standards:

The Justice Department’s manual further admonishes prosecutors to refrain from guilty pleas that could “adversely affect the investigation or prosecution of others.” That is exactly what Mueller has done to the ongoing prosecution of Manafort. By giving Gates a pass on the bank-fraud (and tax-fraud, and money-laundering) charges, Mueller signals that these allegations are inflated. A jury could well feel justified in giving Manafort a pass on them, too.

Their past having been recorded and well known, Rosenstein and Mueller have over-played they hand, showing how desperate they are to get Trump, committing the same grievous offenses they have in the past. It has already been reported that most of the evidence on Manafort, recovered from his home after a search warrant was exercised, could be thrown out. Mueller's team took 'evidence' from the home not listed on the warrant...making the entire search invalid / illegal and all evidence inadmissible. Rosenstein's and Mueller's case against Manafort and Gates is in jeopardy...as is their entire investigation. Due to their past repeat performance, Rosenstein and Mueller may find themselves in trouble (hopefully) before all of this is over.


Mueller Investigation: Gates Deal Violates Federal Policy | National Review


Three-quarters say Trump should fire Mueller
--- Drudge poll: Three-quarters say Trump should fire Mueller

Mueller was given a much broader mandate than investigating possible Trump collusion. He was also tasked with investigating Russian interference in our elections. In addition Manafort was under investigation by the DOJ even before he joined the Trump campaign. Clearly the FBI and DOJ were too conflicted. Sessions endorsed and was a integral part of Trump's campaign which is a violation of DOJ rules. Also Trump interfering in the Flynn investigation and firing of Comey showed they could not do the investigation.

What they are doing is what all prosecutors do. They cut deals with underlings to get to the head. Nothing new to that. If juries took umbrage at that there would be fewer convictions. In most cases like this, the underlings come clean.

No one has over-played their hand except Trump. Trey Gowdy said it best when he said if you are innocent, act like it. It has been reported by who? Some Trump sycophant. Worth noting if a cop searches your car for a traffic offense and finds illegal drugs then you can be charged with a drug crime.

We are supposed to take a Drudge poll seriously?

then why after almost a year hasn't Mueller looked at the DNC server? That is ground zero and still hasn't ever been looked at.

You have no clue what is being investigated, so don't pretend you do.

We will know everything when Mueller releases his final report, and if he is fired there is no "gag order"; thus Comey, McCabe and Mueller&Team will have every legal right and a duty to provide what they have discovered to the Public.

The final report has the potential to destroy the careers of many Republicans, especially those who road blocked witnesses from speaking under oath to congressional committees.

well said:

You have no clue what is being investigated, so don't pretend you do.

 

[jc456]

Why does the special counsel need to invent an offense to get a guilty plea?

Why doesn’t he demand a plea to one of the several truly egregious statutory crimes he claims have been committed?

Good questions.

These columns have many times observed Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein’s failure to set limits on Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s investigation. To trigger the appointment of a special counsel, federal regulations require the Justice Department to identify the crimes that warrant investigation and prosecution — crimes that the Justice Department is too conflicted to investigate in the normal course; crimes that become the parameters of the special counsel’s jurisdiction.

Rosenstein, instead, put the cart before the horse: Mueller was invited to conduct a fishing expedition, a boundless quest to hunt for undiscovered crimes, rather than an investigation and prosecution of known crimes.

That deviation, it turns out, is not the half of it. With Rosenstein’s passive approval, Mueller is shredding Justice Department charging policy by alleging earth-shattering crimes, then cutting a sweetheart deal that shields the defendant from liability for those crimes and from the penalties prescribed by Congress. The special counsel, moreover, has become a legislature unto himself, promulgating the new, grandiose crime of “conspiracy against the United States” by distorting the concept of “fraud.”


As already recorded in their past, both men are guilty of prosecutorial misconduct and highly questionable professional ethics. In the past, as we have seen and is being reported in this Witch Hunt, Mueller has bullied and intimidated witnesses / suspects, indicted issued huge over-the-top indictments without having ample evidence just to intimidate a suspect to get weak plea deals and agreements to 'cooperate'. Rosenstein has even, as records show, withheld evidence that would have prevented innocent people from going to jail. Even worse, Rosenstein even CREATED / MANUFACTURED crimes against innocent people in order to send them to jail...after which they were later freed...AFTER going to jail. (Why THAT SOB - actually he and Mueller BOTH - is (are) not in jail today is a mystery as well as a travesty of justice.)


The Manafort / Gates Indictment is a perfect example of all of this:

MASSIVE, Over-The-Top insignificant-to-the-investigation-purpose Indictment for the purpose of intimidating witnesses / suspects then offering a SWEET deal in hopes of / in order to get a plea to a much lesser crime and an agreement to help ensnare the real target.

After bing charged with investigating Russian Collusion and Russian Interference in the 2016 election, Mueller charged Manafort and Gates with MASSIVE Money Laundering and Conspiracy Charges DATNIG BACK TO BEFORE OBAMA WAS INITIALLY ELECTED PRESIDENT...nothing to do with the purpose of his investigation. Mueller made sure there was a whole host of felony charges filed. Gates faced a minimum of 30 years in jail...before Mueller offered to drop all charges except to extremely minor charges that called for 0 (ZERO) - 5 Years IF HE AGREED TO COOPERATE.

Mueller and Rosenstein are 'shredding' the DOJ's prosecutorial standards:

The Justice Department’s manual further admonishes prosecutors to refrain from guilty pleas that could “adversely affect the investigation or prosecution of others.” That is exactly what Mueller has done to the ongoing prosecution of Manafort. By giving Gates a pass on the bank-fraud (and tax-fraud, and money-laundering) charges, Mueller signals that these allegations are inflated. A jury could well feel justified in giving Manafort a pass on them, too.

Their past having been recorded and well known, Rosenstein and Mueller have over-played they hand, showing how desperate they are to get Trump, committing the same grievous offenses they have in the past. It has already been reported that most of the evidence on Manafort, recovered from his home after a search warrant was exercised, could be thrown out. Mueller's team took 'evidence' from the home not listed on the warrant...making the entire search invalid / illegal and all evidence inadmissible. Rosenstein's and Mueller's case against Manafort and Gates is in jeopardy...as is their entire investigation. Due to their past repeat performance, Rosenstein and Mueller may find themselves in trouble (hopefully) before all of this is over.


Mueller Investigation: Gates Deal Violates Federal Policy | National Review


Three-quarters say Trump should fire Mueller
--- Drudge poll: Three-quarters say Trump should fire Mueller

Mueller was given a much broader mandate than investigating possible Trump collusion. He was also tasked with investigating Russian interference in our elections. In addition Manafort was under investigation by the DOJ even before he joined the Trump campaign. Clearly the FBI and DOJ were too conflicted. Sessions endorsed and was a integral part of Trump's campaign which is a violation of DOJ rules. Also Trump interfering in the Flynn investigation and firing of Comey showed they could not do the investigation.

What they are doing is what all prosecutors do. They cut deals with underlings to get to the head. Nothing new to that. If juries took umbrage at that there would be fewer convictions. In most cases like this, the underlings come clean.

No one has over-played their hand except Trump. Trey Gowdy said it best when he said if you are innocent, act like it. It has been reported by who? Some Trump sycophant. Worth noting if a cop searches your car for a traffic offense and finds illegal drugs then you can be charged with a drug crime.

We are supposed to take a Drudge poll seriously?

then why after almost a year hasn't Mueller looked at the DNC server? That is ground zero and still hasn't ever been looked at.

You have no clue what is being investigated, so don't pretend you do.

We will know everything when Mueller releases his final report, and if he is fired there is no "gag order"; thus Comey, McCabe and Mueller&Team will have every legal right and a duty to provide what they have discovered to the Public.

The final report has the potential to destroy the careers of many Republicans, especially those who road blocked witnesses from speaking under oath to congressional committees.

BTW, seen any russia indictments yet?

 

[Astrostar]

Why does the special counsel need to invent an offense to get a guilty plea?

Why doesn’t he demand a plea to one of the several truly egregious statutory crimes he claims have been committed?

Good questions.

These columns have many times observed Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein’s failure to set limits on Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s investigation. To trigger the appointment of a special counsel, federal regulations require the Justice Department to identify the crimes that warrant investigation and prosecution — crimes that the Justice Department is too conflicted to investigate in the normal course; crimes that become the parameters of the special counsel’s jurisdiction.

Rosenstein, instead, put the cart before the horse: Mueller was invited to conduct a fishing expedition, a boundless quest to hunt for undiscovered crimes, rather than an investigation and prosecution of known crimes.

That deviation, it turns out, is not the half of it. With Rosenstein’s passive approval, Mueller is shredding Justice Department charging policy by alleging earth-shattering crimes, then cutting a sweetheart deal that shields the defendant from liability for those crimes and from the penalties prescribed by Congress. The special counsel, moreover, has become a legislature unto himself, promulgating the new, grandiose crime of “conspiracy against the United States” by distorting the concept of “fraud.”


As already recorded in their past, both men are guilty of prosecutorial misconduct and highly questionable professional ethics. In the past, as we have seen and is being reported in this Witch Hunt, Mueller has bullied and intimidated witnesses / suspects, indicted issued huge over-the-top indictments without having ample evidence just to intimidate a suspect to get weak plea deals and agreements to 'cooperate'. Rosenstein has even, as records show, withheld evidence that would have prevented innocent people from going to jail. Even worse, Rosenstein even CREATED / MANUFACTURED crimes against innocent people in order to send them to jail...after which they were later freed...AFTER going to jail. (Why THAT SOB - actually he and Mueller BOTH - is (are) not in jail today is a mystery as well as a travesty of justice.)


The Manafort / Gates Indictment is a perfect example of all of this:

MASSIVE, Over-The-Top insignificant-to-the-investigation-purpose Indictment for the purpose of intimidating witnesses / suspects then offering a SWEET deal in hopes of / in order to get a plea to a much lesser crime and an agreement to help ensnare the real target.

After bing charged with investigating Russian Collusion and Russian Interference in the 2016 election, Mueller charged Manafort and Gates with MASSIVE Money Laundering and Conspiracy Charges DATNIG BACK TO BEFORE OBAMA WAS INITIALLY ELECTED PRESIDENT...nothing to do with the purpose of his investigation. Mueller made sure there was a whole host of felony charges filed. Gates faced a minimum of 30 years in jail...before Mueller offered to drop all charges except to extremely minor charges that called for 0 (ZERO) - 5 Years IF HE AGREED TO COOPERATE.

Mueller and Rosenstein are 'shredding' the DOJ's prosecutorial standards:

The Justice Department’s manual further admonishes prosecutors to refrain from guilty pleas that could “adversely affect the investigation or prosecution of others.” That is exactly what Mueller has done to the ongoing prosecution of Manafort. By giving Gates a pass on the bank-fraud (and tax-fraud, and money-laundering) charges, Mueller signals that these allegations are inflated. A jury could well feel justified in giving Manafort a pass on them, too.

Their past having been recorded and well known, Rosenstein and Mueller have over-played they hand, showing how desperate they are to get Trump, committing the same grievous offenses they have in the past. It has already been reported that most of the evidence on Manafort, recovered from his home after a search warrant was exercised, could be thrown out. Mueller's team took 'evidence' from the home not listed on the warrant...making the entire search invalid / illegal and all evidence inadmissible. Rosenstein's and Mueller's case against Manafort and Gates is in jeopardy...as is their entire investigation. Due to their past repeat performance, Rosenstein and Mueller may find themselves in trouble (hopefully) before all of this is over.


Mueller Investigation: Gates Deal Violates Federal Policy | National Review


Three-quarters say Trump should fire Mueller
--- Drudge poll: Three-quarters say Trump should fire Mueller

The point of your rambling post seems to be that Mueller doesn't know what he is doing, and is engaging in a "fishing expedition." If that's the case, and if President for Life Cadet Bone Spurs is, as he says over and over, guilt free, then why not let the investigation run its course, and when it's finished laugh and laugh at all the time Mueller wasted. Methinks "he doth protest too much" to be innocent.

However, that said, you Trumpateers should realize that Mueller is the least of the cadet's worries. The one he should be quaking in his slippers about is Stormy. He can deny a relationship til he's blue in the face, but the bottom line is MONEY WAS PAID to silence her. No running from that. If she is able to go on "60 Minutes" and tell all, the great Cadet will be the great Cadet no more. Toast, over.

 

[Wry Catcher]

Why does the special counsel need to invent an offense to get a guilty plea?

Why doesn’t he demand a plea to one of the several truly egregious statutory crimes he claims have been committed?

Good questions.

These columns have many times observed Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein’s failure to set limits on Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s investigation. To trigger the appointment of a special counsel, federal regulations require the Justice Department to identify the crimes that warrant investigation and prosecution — crimes that the Justice Department is too conflicted to investigate in the normal course; crimes that become the parameters of the special counsel’s jurisdiction.

Rosenstein, instead, put the cart before the horse: Mueller was invited to conduct a fishing expedition, a boundless quest to hunt for undiscovered crimes, rather than an investigation and prosecution of known crimes.

That deviation, it turns out, is not the half of it. With Rosenstein’s passive approval, Mueller is shredding Justice Department charging policy by alleging earth-shattering crimes, then cutting a sweetheart deal that shields the defendant from liability for those crimes and from the penalties prescribed by Congress. The special counsel, moreover, has become a legislature unto himself, promulgating the new, grandiose crime of “conspiracy against the United States” by distorting the concept of “fraud.”


As already recorded in their past, both men are guilty of prosecutorial misconduct and highly questionable professional ethics. In the past, as we have seen and is being reported in this Witch Hunt, Mueller has bullied and intimidated witnesses / suspects, indicted issued huge over-the-top indictments without having ample evidence just to intimidate a suspect to get weak plea deals and agreements to 'cooperate'. Rosenstein has even, as records show, withheld evidence that would have prevented innocent people from going to jail. Even worse, Rosenstein even CREATED / MANUFACTURED crimes against innocent people in order to send them to jail...after which they were later freed...AFTER going to jail. (Why THAT SOB - actually he and Mueller BOTH - is (are) not in jail today is a mystery as well as a travesty of justice.)


The Manafort / Gates Indictment is a perfect example of all of this:

MASSIVE, Over-The-Top insignificant-to-the-investigation-purpose Indictment for the purpose of intimidating witnesses / suspects then offering a SWEET deal in hopes of / in order to get a plea to a much lesser crime and an agreement to help ensnare the real target.

After bing charged with investigating Russian Collusion and Russian Interference in the 2016 election, Mueller charged Manafort and Gates with MASSIVE Money Laundering and Conspiracy Charges DATNIG BACK TO BEFORE OBAMA WAS INITIALLY ELECTED PRESIDENT...nothing to do with the purpose of his investigation. Mueller made sure there was a whole host of felony charges filed. Gates faced a minimum of 30 years in jail...before Mueller offered to drop all charges except to extremely minor charges that called for 0 (ZERO) - 5 Years IF HE AGREED TO COOPERATE.

Mueller and Rosenstein are 'shredding' the DOJ's prosecutorial standards:

The Justice Department’s manual further admonishes prosecutors to refrain from guilty pleas that could “adversely affect the investigation or prosecution of others.” That is exactly what Mueller has done to the ongoing prosecution of Manafort. By giving Gates a pass on the bank-fraud (and tax-fraud, and money-laundering) charges, Mueller signals that these allegations are inflated. A jury could well feel justified in giving Manafort a pass on them, too.

Their past having been recorded and well known, Rosenstein and Mueller have over-played they hand, showing how desperate they are to get Trump, committing the same grievous offenses they have in the past. It has already been reported that most of the evidence on Manafort, recovered from his home after a search warrant was exercised, could be thrown out. Mueller's team took 'evidence' from the home not listed on the warrant...making the entire search invalid / illegal and all evidence inadmissible. Rosenstein's and Mueller's case against Manafort and Gates is in jeopardy...as is their entire investigation. Due to their past repeat performance, Rosenstein and Mueller may find themselves in trouble (hopefully) before all of this is over.


Mueller Investigation: Gates Deal Violates Federal Policy | National Review


Three-quarters say Trump should fire Mueller
--- Drudge poll: Three-quarters say Trump should fire Mueller

Mueller was given a much broader mandate than investigating possible Trump collusion. He was also tasked with investigating Russian interference in our elections. In addition Manafort was under investigation by the DOJ even before he joined the Trump campaign. Clearly the FBI and DOJ were too conflicted. Sessions endorsed and was a integral part of Trump's campaign which is a violation of DOJ rules. Also Trump interfering in the Flynn investigation and firing of Comey showed they could not do the investigation.

What they are doing is what all prosecutors do. They cut deals with underlings to get to the head. Nothing new to that. If juries took umbrage at that there would be fewer convictions. In most cases like this, the underlings come clean.

No one has over-played their hand except Trump. Trey Gowdy said it best when he said if you are innocent, act like it. It has been reported by who? Some Trump sycophant. Worth noting if a cop searches your car for a traffic offense and finds illegal drugs then you can be charged with a drug crime.

We are supposed to take a Drudge poll seriously?

then why after almost a year hasn't Mueller looked at the DNC server? That is ground zero and still hasn't ever been looked at.

You have no clue what is being investigated, so don't pretend you do.

We will know everything when Mueller releases his final report, and if he is fired there is no "gag order"; thus Comey, McCabe and Mueller&Team will have every legal right and a duty to provide what they have discovered to the Public.

The final report has the potential to destroy the careers of many Republicans, especially those who road blocked witnesses from speaking under oath to congressional committees.

well said:

You have no clue what is being investigated, so don't pretend you do.

Thank you, imitation is the highest form of flattery.

For the record, I didn't pretend, bozo, I don't know in what directions Mr. Mueller and his team are going, but we can expect, follow he money is good advice, leads them in many directions.

 

[busybee01]

You snowflakes are getting pretty desperate to smear Mueller. What is it- 4 guilty pleas so far?

I love how desperately you snowflakes throw out those 4 indictments / guilty pleas.

How many careers are you Trumpsters willing to destroy in order to protect your Dear Leader?

Meanwhile- Mueller continues his investigation- which so far has yielded the following.

The full list of known indictments and plea deals in Mueller’s probe
1) George Papadopoulos, former Trump campaign foreign policy adviser, pleaded guilty in October to making false statements to the FBI.

2) Michael Flynn, Trump’s former national security adviser, pleaded guilty in December to making false statements to the FBI.

3) Paul Manafort, Trump’s former campaign chair, was indicted in October in Washington, DC on charges of conspiracy, money laundering, false statements, and failure to disclose foreign assets — all related to his work for Ukrainian politicians before he joined the Trump campaign. He’s pleaded not guilty on all counts. Then, in February, Mueller filed a new case against him in Virginia, with tax, financial, and bank fraud charges.

4) Rick Gates, a former Trump campaign aide and Manafort’s longtime junior business partner, was indicted on similar charges to Manafort. But he has now agreed to a plea deal with Mueller’s team, pleading guilty to just one false statements charge and one conspiracy charge.

5-20) 13 Russian nationals and three Russian companies were indicted on conspiracy charges, with some also being accused of identity theft. The charges related to a Russian propaganda effort designed to interfere with the 2016 campaign. The companies involved are the Internet Research Agency, often described as a “Russian troll farm,” and two other companies that helped finance it. The Russian nationals indicted include 12 of the agency’s employees and its alleged financier, Yevgeny Prigozhin.

21) Richard Pinedo: This California man pleaded guilty to an identity theft charge in connection with the Russian indictments, and has agreed to cooperate with Mueller.

22) Alex van der Zwaan: This London lawyer pleaded guilty to making false statements to the FBI about his contacts with Rick Gates and another unnamed person based in Ukraine.

Papa was a self-important, unpaid Trump campaign worker who was indicted after the FBI was 'tipped off' about his OVERHEARD DRUNKEN conversation in a British Pub with an Australian 'Ambassador' who turned out to be not only the one who set up the meeting and tipped off the FBI but also turned out to be a HUGE Hillary supporter and Donor.

Flynn was an idiot who lied to the FBI about something that was not even illegal, brought up for indictment by the same FIRED Trump-hating Mueller team member / 'Re-assigned' FBI agent who protected Hillary from indictment for Espionage, Criminal Negligence, Obstruction and 30,000 violations of the FOIA and Federal Records ACT AND protected her aides, Huma and Mills, from indictment on the same crime - lying to the FBI.

Manafort and Gates were charged with money laundering dating back to before Obama was elected President... bwuhahaha...

13 Russian Nationals arrested - No Connection to Trump

Pinedo - No Connection to Trump

Zwaan - No Connection to Trump


You got NOTHING....STILL...snowflake. Bwuhahahaha.......

Flynn did break the law. He was working for Turkey without registering as a foreign agent. He was helping the Islamic President of Turkey. I guess you are sympathetic to him for that.

Papa posed for a picture with Trump and the other members of Trump's foreign policy team. He had enough clout to send a e-mail suggesting Trump meet with Putin and have it taken seriously. He also was told Russia had dirt on Clinton in the form of e-mails.

 

[bendog]

I bet Mueller's gotten criminals to spill their guts by threatening them with Federal pound you in the ass prison. Unfair. Sad. (-:

 

[jc456]

Why does the special counsel need to invent an offense to get a guilty plea?

Why doesn’t he demand a plea to one of the several truly egregious statutory crimes he claims have been committed?

Good questions.

These columns have many times observed Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein’s failure to set limits on Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s investigation. To trigger the appointment of a special counsel, federal regulations require the Justice Department to identify the crimes that warrant investigation and prosecution — crimes that the Justice Department is too conflicted to investigate in the normal course; crimes that become the parameters of the special counsel’s jurisdiction.

Rosenstein, instead, put the cart before the horse: Mueller was invited to conduct a fishing expedition, a boundless quest to hunt for undiscovered crimes, rather than an investigation and prosecution of known crimes.

That deviation, it turns out, is not the half of it. With Rosenstein’s passive approval, Mueller is shredding Justice Department charging policy by alleging earth-shattering crimes, then cutting a sweetheart deal that shields the defendant from liability for those crimes and from the penalties prescribed by Congress. The special counsel, moreover, has become a legislature unto himself, promulgating the new, grandiose crime of “conspiracy against the United States” by distorting the concept of “fraud.”


As already recorded in their past, both men are guilty of prosecutorial misconduct and highly questionable professional ethics. In the past, as we have seen and is being reported in this Witch Hunt, Mueller has bullied and intimidated witnesses / suspects, indicted issued huge over-the-top indictments without having ample evidence just to intimidate a suspect to get weak plea deals and agreements to 'cooperate'. Rosenstein has even, as records show, withheld evidence that would have prevented innocent people from going to jail. Even worse, Rosenstein even CREATED / MANUFACTURED crimes against innocent people in order to send them to jail...after which they were later freed...AFTER going to jail. (Why THAT SOB - actually he and Mueller BOTH - is (are) not in jail today is a mystery as well as a travesty of justice.)


The Manafort / Gates Indictment is a perfect example of all of this:

MASSIVE, Over-The-Top insignificant-to-the-investigation-purpose Indictment for the purpose of intimidating witnesses / suspects then offering a SWEET deal in hopes of / in order to get a plea to a much lesser crime and an agreement to help ensnare the real target.

After bing charged with investigating Russian Collusion and Russian Interference in the 2016 election, Mueller charged Manafort and Gates with MASSIVE Money Laundering and Conspiracy Charges DATNIG BACK TO BEFORE OBAMA WAS INITIALLY ELECTED PRESIDENT...nothing to do with the purpose of his investigation. Mueller made sure there was a whole host of felony charges filed. Gates faced a minimum of 30 years in jail...before Mueller offered to drop all charges except to extremely minor charges that called for 0 (ZERO) - 5 Years IF HE AGREED TO COOPERATE.

Mueller and Rosenstein are 'shredding' the DOJ's prosecutorial standards:

The Justice Department’s manual further admonishes prosecutors to refrain from guilty pleas that could “adversely affect the investigation or prosecution of others.” That is exactly what Mueller has done to the ongoing prosecution of Manafort. By giving Gates a pass on the bank-fraud (and tax-fraud, and money-laundering) charges, Mueller signals that these allegations are inflated. A jury could well feel justified in giving Manafort a pass on them, too.

Their past having been recorded and well known, Rosenstein and Mueller have over-played they hand, showing how desperate they are to get Trump, committing the same grievous offenses they have in the past. It has already been reported that most of the evidence on Manafort, recovered from his home after a search warrant was exercised, could be thrown out. Mueller's team took 'evidence' from the home not listed on the warrant...making the entire search invalid / illegal and all evidence inadmissible. Rosenstein's and Mueller's case against Manafort and Gates is in jeopardy...as is their entire investigation. Due to their past repeat performance, Rosenstein and Mueller may find themselves in trouble (hopefully) before all of this is over.


Mueller Investigation: Gates Deal Violates Federal Policy | National Review


Three-quarters say Trump should fire Mueller
--- Drudge poll: Three-quarters say Trump should fire Mueller

The point of your rambling post seems to be that Mueller doesn't know what he is doing, and is engaging in a "fishing expedition." If that's the case, and if President for Life Cadet Bone Spurs is, as he says over and over, guilt free, then why not let the investigation run its course, and when it's finished laugh and laugh at all the time Mueller wasted. Methinks "he doth protest too much" to be innocent.

However, that said, you Trumpateers should realize that Mueller is the least of the cadet's worries. The one he should be quaking in his slippers about is Stormy. He can deny a relationship til he's blue in the face, but the bottom line is MONEY WAS PAID to silence her. No running from that. If she is able to go on "60 Minutes" and tell all, the great Cadet will be the great Cadet no more. Toast, over.

stormy? why? she's got a NDA. she can't talk. judge told her so.

 

[jc456]

Why does the special counsel need to invent an offense to get a guilty plea?

Why doesn’t he demand a plea to one of the several truly egregious statutory crimes he claims have been committed?

Good questions.

These columns have many times observed Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein’s failure to set limits on Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s investigation. To trigger the appointment of a special counsel, federal regulations require the Justice Department to identify the crimes that warrant investigation and prosecution — crimes that the Justice Department is too conflicted to investigate in the normal course; crimes that become the parameters of the special counsel’s jurisdiction.

Rosenstein, instead, put the cart before the horse: Mueller was invited to conduct a fishing expedition, a boundless quest to hunt for undiscovered crimes, rather than an investigation and prosecution of known crimes.

That deviation, it turns out, is not the half of it. With Rosenstein’s passive approval, Mueller is shredding Justice Department charging policy by alleging earth-shattering crimes, then cutting a sweetheart deal that shields the defendant from liability for those crimes and from the penalties prescribed by Congress. The special counsel, moreover, has become a legislature unto himself, promulgating the new, grandiose crime of “conspiracy against the United States” by distorting the concept of “fraud.”


As already recorded in their past, both men are guilty of prosecutorial misconduct and highly questionable professional ethics. In the past, as we have seen and is being reported in this Witch Hunt, Mueller has bullied and intimidated witnesses / suspects, indicted issued huge over-the-top indictments without having ample evidence just to intimidate a suspect to get weak plea deals and agreements to 'cooperate'. Rosenstein has even, as records show, withheld evidence that would have prevented innocent people from going to jail. Even worse, Rosenstein even CREATED / MANUFACTURED crimes against innocent people in order to send them to jail...after which they were later freed...AFTER going to jail. (Why THAT SOB - actually he and Mueller BOTH - is (are) not in jail today is a mystery as well as a travesty of justice.)


The Manafort / Gates Indictment is a perfect example of all of this:

MASSIVE, Over-The-Top insignificant-to-the-investigation-purpose Indictment for the purpose of intimidating witnesses / suspects then offering a SWEET deal in hopes of / in order to get a plea to a much lesser crime and an agreement to help ensnare the real target.

After bing charged with investigating Russian Collusion and Russian Interference in the 2016 election, Mueller charged Manafort and Gates with MASSIVE Money Laundering and Conspiracy Charges DATNIG BACK TO BEFORE OBAMA WAS INITIALLY ELECTED PRESIDENT...nothing to do with the purpose of his investigation. Mueller made sure there was a whole host of felony charges filed. Gates faced a minimum of 30 years in jail...before Mueller offered to drop all charges except to extremely minor charges that called for 0 (ZERO) - 5 Years IF HE AGREED TO COOPERATE.

Mueller and Rosenstein are 'shredding' the DOJ's prosecutorial standards:

The Justice Department’s manual further admonishes prosecutors to refrain from guilty pleas that could “adversely affect the investigation or prosecution of others.” That is exactly what Mueller has done to the ongoing prosecution of Manafort. By giving Gates a pass on the bank-fraud (and tax-fraud, and money-laundering) charges, Mueller signals that these allegations are inflated. A jury could well feel justified in giving Manafort a pass on them, too.

Their past having been recorded and well known, Rosenstein and Mueller have over-played they hand, showing how desperate they are to get Trump, committing the same grievous offenses they have in the past. It has already been reported that most of the evidence on Manafort, recovered from his home after a search warrant was exercised, could be thrown out. Mueller's team took 'evidence' from the home not listed on the warrant...making the entire search invalid / illegal and all evidence inadmissible. Rosenstein's and Mueller's case against Manafort and Gates is in jeopardy...as is their entire investigation. Due to their past repeat performance, Rosenstein and Mueller may find themselves in trouble (hopefully) before all of this is over.


Mueller Investigation: Gates Deal Violates Federal Policy | National Review


Three-quarters say Trump should fire Mueller
--- Drudge poll: Three-quarters say Trump should fire Mueller

Mueller was given a much broader mandate than investigating possible Trump collusion. He was also tasked with investigating Russian interference in our elections. In addition Manafort was under investigation by the DOJ even before he joined the Trump campaign. Clearly the FBI and DOJ were too conflicted. Sessions endorsed and was a integral part of Trump's campaign which is a violation of DOJ rules. Also Trump interfering in the Flynn investigation and firing of Comey showed they could not do the investigation.

What they are doing is what all prosecutors do. They cut deals with underlings to get to the head. Nothing new to that. If juries took umbrage at that there would be fewer convictions. In most cases like this, the underlings come clean.

No one has over-played their hand except Trump. Trey Gowdy said it best when he said if you are innocent, act like it. It has been reported by who? Some Trump sycophant. Worth noting if a cop searches your car for a traffic offense and finds illegal drugs then you can be charged with a drug crime.

We are supposed to take a Drudge poll seriously?

then why after almost a year hasn't Mueller looked at the DNC server? That is ground zero and still hasn't ever been looked at.

You have no clue what is being investigated, so don't pretend you do.

We will know everything when Mueller releases his final report, and if he is fired there is no "gag order"; thus Comey, McCabe and Mueller&Team will have every legal right and a duty to provide what they have discovered to the Public.

The final report has the potential to destroy the careers of many Republicans, especially those who road blocked witnesses from speaking under oath to congressional committees.

well said:

You have no clue what is being investigated, so don't pretend you do.

Thank you, imitation is the highest form of flattery.

For the record, I didn't pretend, bozo, I don't know in what directions Mr. Mueller and his team are going, but we can expect, follow he money is good advice, leads them in many directions.

but again,

You have no clue what is being investigated, so don't pretend you do.

 

[BULLDOG]

Why does the special counsel need to invent an offense to get a guilty plea?

Why doesn’t he demand a plea to one of the several truly egregious statutory crimes he claims have been committed?

Good questions.

These columns have many times observed Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein’s failure to set limits on Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s investigation. To trigger the appointment of a special counsel, federal regulations require the Justice Department to identify the crimes that warrant investigation and prosecution — crimes that the Justice Department is too conflicted to investigate in the normal course; crimes that become the parameters of the special counsel’s jurisdiction.

Rosenstein, instead, put the cart before the horse: Mueller was invited to conduct a fishing expedition, a boundless quest to hunt for undiscovered crimes, rather than an investigation and prosecution of known crimes.

That deviation, it turns out, is not the half of it. With Rosenstein’s passive approval, Mueller is shredding Justice Department charging policy by alleging earth-shattering crimes, then cutting a sweetheart deal that shields the defendant from liability for those crimes and from the penalties prescribed by Congress. The special counsel, moreover, has become a legislature unto himself, promulgating the new, grandiose crime of “conspiracy against the United States” by distorting the concept of “fraud.”


As already recorded in their past, both men are guilty of prosecutorial misconduct and highly questionable professional ethics. In the past, as we have seen and is being reported in this Witch Hunt, Mueller has bullied and intimidated witnesses / suspects, indicted issued huge over-the-top indictments without having ample evidence just to intimidate a suspect to get weak plea deals and agreements to 'cooperate'. Rosenstein has even, as records show, withheld evidence that would have prevented innocent people from going to jail. Even worse, Rosenstein even CREATED / MANUFACTURED crimes against innocent people in order to send them to jail...after which they were later freed...AFTER going to jail. (Why THAT SOB - actually he and Mueller BOTH - is (are) not in jail today is a mystery as well as a travesty of justice.)


The Manafort / Gates Indictment is a perfect example of all of this:

MASSIVE, Over-The-Top insignificant-to-the-investigation-purpose Indictment for the purpose of intimidating witnesses / suspects then offering a SWEET deal in hopes of / in order to get a plea to a much lesser crime and an agreement to help ensnare the real target.

After bing charged with investigating Russian Collusion and Russian Interference in the 2016 election, Mueller charged Manafort and Gates with MASSIVE Money Laundering and Conspiracy Charges DATNIG BACK TO BEFORE OBAMA WAS INITIALLY ELECTED PRESIDENT...nothing to do with the purpose of his investigation. Mueller made sure there was a whole host of felony charges filed. Gates faced a minimum of 30 years in jail...before Mueller offered to drop all charges except to extremely minor charges that called for 0 (ZERO) - 5 Years IF HE AGREED TO COOPERATE.

Mueller and Rosenstein are 'shredding' the DOJ's prosecutorial standards:

The Justice Department’s manual further admonishes prosecutors to refrain from guilty pleas that could “adversely affect the investigation or prosecution of others.” That is exactly what Mueller has done to the ongoing prosecution of Manafort. By giving Gates a pass on the bank-fraud (and tax-fraud, and money-laundering) charges, Mueller signals that these allegations are inflated. A jury could well feel justified in giving Manafort a pass on them, too.

Their past having been recorded and well known, Rosenstein and Mueller have over-played they hand, showing how desperate they are to get Trump, committing the same grievous offenses they have in the past. It has already been reported that most of the evidence on Manafort, recovered from his home after a search warrant was exercised, could be thrown out. Mueller's team took 'evidence' from the home not listed on the warrant...making the entire search invalid / illegal and all evidence inadmissible. Rosenstein's and Mueller's case against Manafort and Gates is in jeopardy...as is their entire investigation. Due to their past repeat performance, Rosenstein and Mueller may find themselves in trouble (hopefully) before all of this is over.


Mueller Investigation: Gates Deal Violates Federal Policy | National Review


Three-quarters say Trump should fire Mueller
--- Drudge poll: Three-quarters say Trump should fire Mueller

The point of your rambling post seems to be that Mueller doesn't know what he is doing, and is engaging in a "fishing expedition." If that's the case, and if President for Life Cadet Bone Spurs is, as he says over and over, guilt free, then why not let the investigation run its course, and when it's finished laugh and laugh at all the time Mueller wasted. Methinks "he doth protest too much" to be innocent.

However, that said, you Trumpateers should realize that Mueller is the least of the cadet's worries. The one he should be quaking in his slippers about is Stormy. He can deny a relationship til he's blue in the face, but the bottom line is MONEY WAS PAID to silence her. No running from that. If she is able to go on "60 Minutes" and tell all, the great Cadet will be the great Cadet no more. Toast, over.

You would think that's the way it would work. That's how it would work for any other president we have had. However, Trump's supporters don't care. Anyone that such disgusting behavior would matter to is already disgusted with that orange obese fool. The right has always proudly claimed to be the party of moral superiority. They have thrown that out the window.

 

[jc456]

Why does the special counsel need to invent an offense to get a guilty plea?

Why doesn’t he demand a plea to one of the several truly egregious statutory crimes he claims have been committed?

Good questions.

These columns have many times observed Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein’s failure to set limits on Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s investigation. To trigger the appointment of a special counsel, federal regulations require the Justice Department to identify the crimes that warrant investigation and prosecution — crimes that the Justice Department is too conflicted to investigate in the normal course; crimes that become the parameters of the special counsel’s jurisdiction.

Rosenstein, instead, put the cart before the horse: Mueller was invited to conduct a fishing expedition, a boundless quest to hunt for undiscovered crimes, rather than an investigation and prosecution of known crimes.

That deviation, it turns out, is not the half of it. With Rosenstein’s passive approval, Mueller is shredding Justice Department charging policy by alleging earth-shattering crimes, then cutting a sweetheart deal that shields the defendant from liability for those crimes and from the penalties prescribed by Congress. The special counsel, moreover, has become a legislature unto himself, promulgating the new, grandiose crime of “conspiracy against the United States” by distorting the concept of “fraud.”


As already recorded in their past, both men are guilty of prosecutorial misconduct and highly questionable professional ethics. In the past, as we have seen and is being reported in this Witch Hunt, Mueller has bullied and intimidated witnesses / suspects, indicted issued huge over-the-top indictments without having ample evidence just to intimidate a suspect to get weak plea deals and agreements to 'cooperate'. Rosenstein has even, as records show, withheld evidence that would have prevented innocent people from going to jail. Even worse, Rosenstein even CREATED / MANUFACTURED crimes against innocent people in order to send them to jail...after which they were later freed...AFTER going to jail. (Why THAT SOB - actually he and Mueller BOTH - is (are) not in jail today is a mystery as well as a travesty of justice.)


The Manafort / Gates Indictment is a perfect example of all of this:

MASSIVE, Over-The-Top insignificant-to-the-investigation-purpose Indictment for the purpose of intimidating witnesses / suspects then offering a SWEET deal in hopes of / in order to get a plea to a much lesser crime and an agreement to help ensnare the real target.

After bing charged with investigating Russian Collusion and Russian Interference in the 2016 election, Mueller charged Manafort and Gates with MASSIVE Money Laundering and Conspiracy Charges DATNIG BACK TO BEFORE OBAMA WAS INITIALLY ELECTED PRESIDENT...nothing to do with the purpose of his investigation. Mueller made sure there was a whole host of felony charges filed. Gates faced a minimum of 30 years in jail...before Mueller offered to drop all charges except to extremely minor charges that called for 0 (ZERO) - 5 Years IF HE AGREED TO COOPERATE.

Mueller and Rosenstein are 'shredding' the DOJ's prosecutorial standards:

The Justice Department’s manual further admonishes prosecutors to refrain from guilty pleas that could “adversely affect the investigation or prosecution of others.” That is exactly what Mueller has done to the ongoing prosecution of Manafort. By giving Gates a pass on the bank-fraud (and tax-fraud, and money-laundering) charges, Mueller signals that these allegations are inflated. A jury could well feel justified in giving Manafort a pass on them, too.

Their past having been recorded and well known, Rosenstein and Mueller have over-played they hand, showing how desperate they are to get Trump, committing the same grievous offenses they have in the past. It has already been reported that most of the evidence on Manafort, recovered from his home after a search warrant was exercised, could be thrown out. Mueller's team took 'evidence' from the home not listed on the warrant...making the entire search invalid / illegal and all evidence inadmissible. Rosenstein's and Mueller's case against Manafort and Gates is in jeopardy...as is their entire investigation. Due to their past repeat performance, Rosenstein and Mueller may find themselves in trouble (hopefully) before all of this is over.


Mueller Investigation: Gates Deal Violates Federal Policy | National Review


Three-quarters say Trump should fire Mueller
--- Drudge poll: Three-quarters say Trump should fire Mueller

The point of your rambling post seems to be that Mueller doesn't know what he is doing, and is engaging in a "fishing expedition." If that's the case, and if President for Life Cadet Bone Spurs is, as he says over and over, guilt free, then why not let the investigation run its course, and when it's finished laugh and laugh at all the time Mueller wasted. Methinks "he doth protest too much" to be innocent.

However, that said, you Trumpateers should realize that Mueller is the least of the cadet's worries. The one he should be quaking in his slippers about is Stormy. He can deny a relationship til he's blue in the face, but the bottom line is MONEY WAS PAID to silence her. No running from that. If she is able to go on "60 Minutes" and tell all, the great Cadet will be the great Cadet no more. Toast, over.

You would think that's the way it would work. That's how it would work for any other president we have had. However, Trump's supporters don't care. Anyone that such disgusting behavior would matter to is already disgusted with that orange obese fool. The right has always proudly claimed to be the party of moral superiority. They have thrown that out the window.

we did? didn't you vote for slick willy? blow jobs in the West Wing?

 

[easyt65]

[QUOTE="Astrostar, post: 19544953, member: 64991
You would think that's the way it would work. That's how it would work for any other president we have had. However, Trump's supporters don't care. Anyone that such disgusting behavior would matter to is already disgusted with that orange obese fool. The right has always proudly claimed to be the party of moral superiority. They have thrown that out the window.

Bill Clinton sexually harassed, assaulted, and raped women his whole life while his Enabling Troll of a wife berated, attacked, insulted, intimidated, and threatened his victims into silence. The man stood in front of the camera and told the entire world, 'I did not have sex with that woman' only to have his DNA-spattered dress marched out to prove he as not only a life-long adulterous pervert but also a world-class LIAR.

Moral pillars of our country who professed to champion decency and the ethical and moral treatment of women - Snowflakes, like yourself (lol) - defended the sexual criminal deviant and his 'muscle', arguing that 'A PRESIDENT'S PERSONAL LIFE IS NO ONE'S BUSINESS, AND COMMITTING SUCH ACTS AS ADULTERY AND SEXUAL HARASSMENT IN NO WAY NEGATIVELY IMPACTS HIS ABILITY TO CARRY OUT HIS ROLE AS PRESIDENT'.

Amazing, you hypocrite, how suddenly having a Republican in the WH changes everything!

Bill Clinton was the 1st US President to ever have to testify during a trial while sitting as President, the 1st to be dragged into court, for sexual harassment of all things. He was a huge f*ing embarrassment to this country, which was dragged into all this crap because he couldn't keep his hands off women (and kids) and couldn't keep it in his pants.

The POS engaged in deceit during his trial, attempting to strip an American citizen of her right to a fair trial, thereby violating his own oath of office. He was found In Contempt and negotiated his plea, resulting in his license to practice law n his home state being suspended for 5 years due to his demonstrated lack of ethics. (He also paid his victim to disappear, much like how Democrats used tax dollars for decades to pay for their criminal sexual misconduct victims for their silence!) Despite his lack of ethics and his suspended license resulting from his misconduct, still snowflakes declared he was still somehow 'fit' to be the leader of the greatest free nation in the world, still 'fit' to uphold and defend the Constitution and citizens' rights that he had just been caught attempting to violate and for which he was punished.

THIS was the reason Clinton was APPROPRIATELY Impeached by the House before the same perverts who would later start using tax dollars to pay their own victims off saved his ass! Snowflakes like you, however, have been trying to re-write history since then, claiming he was Impeached over his affair with Lewinski - A LIE!

Bill Clinton was a POS career/life-long sexual pervert who preyed on women and kids, who violated his oath of office by trying to strip a citizen of their Constitutional Right to a fair trial in order to save his fat ass from the sexual crime he committed against a woman.

Save the self-righteous routine for someone who can't smell / ID BS when he smells / sees it.

 

[BULLDOG]

Why does the special counsel need to invent an offense to get a guilty plea?

Why doesn’t he demand a plea to one of the several truly egregious statutory crimes he claims have been committed?

Good questions.

These columns have many times observed Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein’s failure to set limits on Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s investigation. To trigger the appointment of a special counsel, federal regulations require the Justice Department to identify the crimes that warrant investigation and prosecution — crimes that the Justice Department is too conflicted to investigate in the normal course; crimes that become the parameters of the special counsel’s jurisdiction.

Rosenstein, instead, put the cart before the horse: Mueller was invited to conduct a fishing expedition, a boundless quest to hunt for undiscovered crimes, rather than an investigation and prosecution of known crimes.

That deviation, it turns out, is not the half of it. With Rosenstein’s passive approval, Mueller is shredding Justice Department charging policy by alleging earth-shattering crimes, then cutting a sweetheart deal that shields the defendant from liability for those crimes and from the penalties prescribed by Congress. The special counsel, moreover, has become a legislature unto himself, promulgating the new, grandiose crime of “conspiracy against the United States” by distorting the concept of “fraud.”


As already recorded in their past, both men are guilty of prosecutorial misconduct and highly questionable professional ethics. In the past, as we have seen and is being reported in this Witch Hunt, Mueller has bullied and intimidated witnesses / suspects, indicted issued huge over-the-top indictments without having ample evidence just to intimidate a suspect to get weak plea deals and agreements to 'cooperate'. Rosenstein has even, as records show, withheld evidence that would have prevented innocent people from going to jail. Even worse, Rosenstein even CREATED / MANUFACTURED crimes against innocent people in order to send them to jail...after which they were later freed...AFTER going to jail. (Why THAT SOB - actually he and Mueller BOTH - is (are) not in jail today is a mystery as well as a travesty of justice.)


The Manafort / Gates Indictment is a perfect example of all of this:

MASSIVE, Over-The-Top insignificant-to-the-investigation-purpose Indictment for the purpose of intimidating witnesses / suspects then offering a SWEET deal in hopes of / in order to get a plea to a much lesser crime and an agreement to help ensnare the real target.

After bing charged with investigating Russian Collusion and Russian Interference in the 2016 election, Mueller charged Manafort and Gates with MASSIVE Money Laundering and Conspiracy Charges DATNIG BACK TO BEFORE OBAMA WAS INITIALLY ELECTED PRESIDENT...nothing to do with the purpose of his investigation. Mueller made sure there was a whole host of felony charges filed. Gates faced a minimum of 30 years in jail...before Mueller offered to drop all charges except to extremely minor charges that called for 0 (ZERO) - 5 Years IF HE AGREED TO COOPERATE.

Mueller and Rosenstein are 'shredding' the DOJ's prosecutorial standards:

The Justice Department’s manual further admonishes prosecutors to refrain from guilty pleas that could “adversely affect the investigation or prosecution of others.” That is exactly what Mueller has done to the ongoing prosecution of Manafort. By giving Gates a pass on the bank-fraud (and tax-fraud, and money-laundering) charges, Mueller signals that these allegations are inflated. A jury could well feel justified in giving Manafort a pass on them, too.

Their past having been recorded and well known, Rosenstein and Mueller have over-played they hand, showing how desperate they are to get Trump, committing the same grievous offenses they have in the past. It has already been reported that most of the evidence on Manafort, recovered from his home after a search warrant was exercised, could be thrown out. Mueller's team took 'evidence' from the home not listed on the warrant...making the entire search invalid / illegal and all evidence inadmissible. Rosenstein's and Mueller's case against Manafort and Gates is in jeopardy...as is their entire investigation. Due to their past repeat performance, Rosenstein and Mueller may find themselves in trouble (hopefully) before all of this is over.


Mueller Investigation: Gates Deal Violates Federal Policy | National Review


Three-quarters say Trump should fire Mueller
--- Drudge poll: Three-quarters say Trump should fire Mueller

The point of your rambling post seems to be that Mueller doesn't know what he is doing, and is engaging in a "fishing expedition." If that's the case, and if President for Life Cadet Bone Spurs is, as he says over and over, guilt free, then why not let the investigation run its course, and when it's finished laugh and laugh at all the time Mueller wasted. Methinks "he doth protest too much" to be innocent.

However, that said, you Trumpateers should realize that Mueller is the least of the cadet's worries. The one he should be quaking in his slippers about is Stormy. He can deny a relationship til he's blue in the face, but the bottom line is MONEY WAS PAID to silence her. No running from that. If she is able to go on "60 Minutes" and tell all, the great Cadet will be the great Cadet no more. Toast, over.

You would think that's the way it would work. That's how it would work for any other president we have had. However, Trump's supporters don't care. Anyone that such disgusting behavior would matter to is already disgusted with that orange obese fool. The right has always proudly claimed to be the party of moral superiority. They have thrown that out the window.

we did? didn't you vote for slick willy? blow jobs in the West Wing?

Yep, and the right impeached him for that blowjob. You'll note that the left never claimed moral superiority to any where near the extent the right has. Bills only wife wasn't recovering from child birth at the time either. Trump is currently on wife #3, and he publicly cheated on all three. Trump has proven to be a severely immoral person, and has dragged his supporters down to his level of immorality. Was a supreme court justice worth throwing away what little was left of your integrity?

 

[BULLDOG]

[QUOTE="Astrostar, post: 19544953, member: 64991
You would think that's the way it would work. That's how it would work for any other president we have had. However, Trump's supporters don't care. Anyone that such disgusting behavior would matter to is already disgusted with that orange obese fool. The right has always proudly claimed to be the party of moral superiority. They have thrown that out the window.

Bill Clinton sexually harassed, assaulted, and raped women his whole life while his Enabling Troll of a wife berated, attacked, insulted, intimidated, and threatened his victims into silence. The man stood in front of the camera and told the entire world, 'I did not have sex with that woman' only to have his DNA-spattered dress marched out to prove he as not only a life-long adulterous pervert but also a world-class LIAR.

Moral pillars of our country who professed to champion decency and the ethical and moral treatment of women - Snowflakes, like yourself (lol) - defended the sexual criminal deviant and his 'muscle', arguing that 'A PRESIDENT'S PERSONAL LIFE IS NO ONE'S BUSINESS, AND COMMITTING SUCH ACTS AS ADULTERY AND SEXUAL HARASSMENT IN NO WAY NEGATIVELY IMPACTS HIS ABILITY TO CARRY OUT HIS ROLE AS PRESIDENT'.

Amazing, you hypocrite, how suddenly having a Republican in the WH changes everything!

Bill Clinton was the 1st US President to ever have to testify during a trial while sitting as President, the 1st to be dragged into court, for sexual harassment of all things. He was a huge f*ing embarrassment to this country, which was dragged into all this crap because he couldn't keep his hands off women (and kids) and couldn't keep it in his pants.

The POS engaged in deceit during his trial, attempting to strip an American citizen of her right to a fair trial, thereby violating his own oath of office. He was found In Contempt and negotiated his plea, resulting in his license to practice law n his home state being suspended for 5 years due to his demonstrated lack of ethics. (He also paid his victim to disappear, much like how Democrats used tax dollars for decades to pay for their criminal sexual misconduct victims for their silence!) Despite his lack of ethics and his suspended license resulting from his misconduct, still snowflakes declared he was still somehow 'fit' to be the leader of the greatest free nation in the world, still 'fit' to uphold and defend the Constitution and citizens' rights that he had just been caught attempting to violate and for which he was punished.

THIS was the reason Clinton was APPROPRIATELY Impeached by the House before the same perverts who would later start using tax dollars to pay their own victims off saved his ass! Snowflakes like you, however, have been trying to re-write history since then, claiming he was Impeached over his affair with Lewinski - A LIE!

Bill Clinton was a POS career/life-long sexual pervert who preyed on women and kids, who violated his oath of office by trying to strip a citizen of their Constitutional Right to a fair trial in order to save his fat ass from the sexual crime he committed against a woman.

Save the self-righteous routine for someone who can't smell / ID BS when he smells / sees it.

Bill didn't pay a porn star $130,000 just before the election to keep her quiet. There are others now claiming similar situations with our small fingered president. Just porn stars and centerfold girls in porn magazines so far, but I'm sure others will be found that can prove their stories. Bill did something dumb, but fooling around with whores is a way of life for Trump, and evidently for his son too..

 

[easyt65]

Yep, and the right impeached him for that blowjob.

Thank you for helping me prove my point that hopelessly delusional snowflakes like yourself are world-class LIARS who try to re-write history.

Slick Willy did not lose his license to practice law for 5 years for getting a BJ. He got it for his crime / Contempt.
Slick Willy did not pay a LOT of money to a woman who sued him for sexual assault because he got a BJ.
Slick Will was not Impeached for his adulterous affair in the WH...


...but in this time / day when DEMOCRATS have been exposed as the adulterous, sexually harassing, sexually assaulting, raping monsters who have claimed to be 'for women' while committing sexual crimes against them and using tax dollars to pay their victims off, thank you for demonstrating who Democrats - and snowflakes still really are, that they STILL defend Bill Clinton for being a sexual predator who, if he were President today, would be Impeached all over again based on the evidence of his victimizing women.

 

[jc456]

Why does the special counsel need to invent an offense to get a guilty plea?

Why doesn’t he demand a plea to one of the several truly egregious statutory crimes he claims have been committed?

Good questions.

These columns have many times observed Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein’s failure to set limits on Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s investigation. To trigger the appointment of a special counsel, federal regulations require the Justice Department to identify the crimes that warrant investigation and prosecution — crimes that the Justice Department is too conflicted to investigate in the normal course; crimes that become the parameters of the special counsel’s jurisdiction.

Rosenstein, instead, put the cart before the horse: Mueller was invited to conduct a fishing expedition, a boundless quest to hunt for undiscovered crimes, rather than an investigation and prosecution of known crimes.

That deviation, it turns out, is not the half of it. With Rosenstein’s passive approval, Mueller is shredding Justice Department charging policy by alleging earth-shattering crimes, then cutting a sweetheart deal that shields the defendant from liability for those crimes and from the penalties prescribed by Congress. The special counsel, moreover, has become a legislature unto himself, promulgating the new, grandiose crime of “conspiracy against the United States” by distorting the concept of “fraud.”


As already recorded in their past, both men are guilty of prosecutorial misconduct and highly questionable professional ethics. In the past, as we have seen and is being reported in this Witch Hunt, Mueller has bullied and intimidated witnesses / suspects, indicted issued huge over-the-top indictments without having ample evidence just to intimidate a suspect to get weak plea deals and agreements to 'cooperate'. Rosenstein has even, as records show, withheld evidence that would have prevented innocent people from going to jail. Even worse, Rosenstein even CREATED / MANUFACTURED crimes against innocent people in order to send them to jail...after which they were later freed...AFTER going to jail. (Why THAT SOB - actually he and Mueller BOTH - is (are) not in jail today is a mystery as well as a travesty of justice.)


The Manafort / Gates Indictment is a perfect example of all of this:

MASSIVE, Over-The-Top insignificant-to-the-investigation-purpose Indictment for the purpose of intimidating witnesses / suspects then offering a SWEET deal in hopes of / in order to get a plea to a much lesser crime and an agreement to help ensnare the real target.

After bing charged with investigating Russian Collusion and Russian Interference in the 2016 election, Mueller charged Manafort and Gates with MASSIVE Money Laundering and Conspiracy Charges DATNIG BACK TO BEFORE OBAMA WAS INITIALLY ELECTED PRESIDENT...nothing to do with the purpose of his investigation. Mueller made sure there was a whole host of felony charges filed. Gates faced a minimum of 30 years in jail...before Mueller offered to drop all charges except to extremely minor charges that called for 0 (ZERO) - 5 Years IF HE AGREED TO COOPERATE.

Mueller and Rosenstein are 'shredding' the DOJ's prosecutorial standards:

The Justice Department’s manual further admonishes prosecutors to refrain from guilty pleas that could “adversely affect the investigation or prosecution of others.” That is exactly what Mueller has done to the ongoing prosecution of Manafort. By giving Gates a pass on the bank-fraud (and tax-fraud, and money-laundering) charges, Mueller signals that these allegations are inflated. A jury could well feel justified in giving Manafort a pass on them, too.

Their past having been recorded and well known, Rosenstein and Mueller have over-played they hand, showing how desperate they are to get Trump, committing the same grievous offenses they have in the past. It has already been reported that most of the evidence on Manafort, recovered from his home after a search warrant was exercised, could be thrown out. Mueller's team took 'evidence' from the home not listed on the warrant...making the entire search invalid / illegal and all evidence inadmissible. Rosenstein's and Mueller's case against Manafort and Gates is in jeopardy...as is their entire investigation. Due to their past repeat performance, Rosenstein and Mueller may find themselves in trouble (hopefully) before all of this is over.


Mueller Investigation: Gates Deal Violates Federal Policy | National Review


Three-quarters say Trump should fire Mueller
--- Drudge poll: Three-quarters say Trump should fire Mueller

The point of your rambling post seems to be that Mueller doesn't know what he is doing, and is engaging in a "fishing expedition." If that's the case, and if President for Life Cadet Bone Spurs is, as he says over and over, guilt free, then why not let the investigation run its course, and when it's finished laugh and laugh at all the time Mueller wasted. Methinks "he doth protest too much" to be innocent.

However, that said, you Trumpateers should realize that Mueller is the least of the cadet's worries. The one he should be quaking in his slippers about is Stormy. He can deny a relationship til he's blue in the face, but the bottom line is MONEY WAS PAID to silence her. No running from that. If she is able to go on "60 Minutes" and tell all, the great Cadet will be the great Cadet no more. Toast, over.

You would think that's the way it would work. That's how it would work for any other president we have had. However, Trump's supporters don't care. Anyone that such disgusting behavior would matter to is already disgusted with that orange obese fool. The right has always proudly claimed to be the party of moral superiority. They have thrown that out the window.

we did? didn't you vote for slick willy? blow jobs in the West Wing?

Yep, and the right impeached him for that blowjob. You'll note that the left never claimed moral superiority to any where near the extent the right has. Bills only wife wasn't recovering from child birth at the time either. Trump is currently on wife #3, and he publicly cheated on all three. Trump has proven to be a severely immoral person, and has dragged his supporters down to his level of immorality. Was a supreme court justice worth throwing away what little was left of your integrity?

shit dude, the left cries moral superiority all fking day long. Transgender rights, women's rights, voter ID, unions, schools guns, fk moral is all you scream. you march to prod a finger at the right on how immoral we are. yeah, don't come in here and wave that flag.

 

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I will say I am sad that your title was 'corrected'- everytime I saw 'investing' it made me chuckle

 

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You would think that's the way it would work. That's how it would work for any other president we have had. However, Trump's supporters don't care. Anyone that such disgusting behavior would matter to is already disgusted with that orange obese fool. The right has always proudly claimed to be the party of moral superiority. They have thrown that out the window.

Bill Clinton sexually harassed, assaulted, and raped women his whole life while his Enabling Troll of a wife berated, attacked, insulted, intimidated, and threatened his victims into silence. The man stood in front of the camera and told the entire world, 'I did not have sex with that woman' only to have his DNA-spattered dress marched out to prove he as not only a life-long adulterous pervert but also a world-class LIAR.

Moral pillars of our country who professed to champion decency and the ethical and moral treatment of women - Snowflakes, like yourself (lol) - defended the sexual criminal deviant and his 'muscle', arguing that 'A PRESIDENT'S PERSONAL LIFE IS NO ONE'S BUSINESS, AND COMMITTING SUCH ACTS AS ADULTERY AND SEXUAL HARASSMENT IN NO WAY NEGATIVELY IMPACTS HIS ABILITY TO CARRY OUT HIS ROLE AS PRESIDENT'.

Amazing, you hypocrite, how suddenly having a Republican in the WH changes everything!

Bill Clinton was the 1st US President to ever have to testify during a trial while sitting as President, the 1st to be dragged into court, for sexual harassment of all things. He was a huge f*ing embarrassment to this country, which was dragged into all this crap because he couldn't keep his hands off women (and kids) and couldn't keep it in his pants.

The POS engaged in deceit during his trial, attempting to strip an American citizen of her right to a fair trial, thereby violating his own oath of office. He was found In Contempt and negotiated his plea, resulting in his license to practice law n his home state being suspended for 5 years due to his demonstrated lack of ethics. (He also paid his victim to disappear, much like how Democrats used tax dollars for decades to pay for their criminal sexual misconduct victims for their silence!) Despite his lack of ethics and his suspended license resulting from his misconduct, still snowflakes declared he was still somehow 'fit' to be the leader of the greatest free nation in the world, still 'fit' to uphold and defend the Constitution and citizens' rights that he had just been caught attempting to violate and for which he was punished.

THIS was the reason Clinton was APPROPRIATELY Impeached by the House before the same perverts who would later start using tax dollars to pay their own victims off saved his ass! Snowflakes like you, however, have been trying to re-write history since then, claiming he was Impeached over his affair with Lewinski - A LIE!

Bill Clinton was a POS career/life-long sexual pervert who preyed on women and kids, who violated his oath of office by trying to strip a citizen of their Constitutional Right to a fair trial in order to save his fat ass from the sexual crime he committed against a woman.

Save the self-righteous routine for someone who can't smell / ID BS when he smells / sees it.

Bill didn't pay a porn star $130,000 just before the election to keep her quiet. There are others now claiming similar situations with our small fingered president. Just porn stars and centerfold girls in porn magazines so far, but I'm sure others will be found that can prove their stories. Bill did something dumb, but fooling around with whores is a way of life for Trump, and evidently for his son too..

no he paid off one of his staffers.

 

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...but in this time / day when DEMOCRATS have been exposed as the adulterous, sexually harassing, sexually assaulting, raping monsters .

You keep getting confused- Donald Trump is not a Democrat.

Your Dear Leader is the adulterous, sexually harrassing, sexually assaulting monster

And you adore him for it.

 

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Bill didn't pay a porn star $130,000

No, he just sexually harassed, sexually assaulted, and raped women throughout his entire political life only to have POSes like you defend him every step of the way...he only paid $850,000 to his sexual harassment / assault victim to go away, just like Dems used tax dollars for their victims' silence...



Clinton Settles Jones Lawsuit With a Check for $850,000.

 

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...but in this time / day when DEMOCRATS have been exposed as the adulterous, sexually harassing, sexually assaulting, raping monsters .

You keep getting confused- Donald Trump is not a Democrat.

Your Dear Leader is the adulterous, sexually harrassing, sexually assaulting monster

And you adore him for it.

Clinton Settles Jones Lawsuit With a Check for $850,000