Romney: Socialized Health Care Good For Israel, Not For U.S.

[Mr.Nick]

By Sahil Kapur

During a trip to Israel, Mitt Romney hailed the nation’s health care system for holding down costs and broadening coverage more effectively than the U.S.

The irony: Israel contains costs by adopting a very centralized, government-run health care system — anathema to Romney’s Republican Party.

“Do you realize what health care spending is as a percentage of the GDP in Israel? Eight percent. You spend eight percent of GDP on health care. You’re a pretty healthy nation,” he said Monday at a breakfast fundraiser, according to the New York Times. “We spend 18 percent of our GDP on health care, 10 percentage points more. That gap, that 10 percent cost, compare that with the size of our military — our military which is 4 percent, 4 percent. Our gap with Israel is 10 points of GDP. We have to find ways — not just to provide health care to more people, but to find ways to fund and manage our health care costs.”

Israel’s health care system is an instructive exercise in all that rankles American conservatives — replete with government mandates, price controls and centralized payments funded mostly by high taxes.

Reformed in 1995 on the basis of a European model, Israelis are forced to buy insurance from one of several competing not-for-profit plans, which are heavily regulated by the government, according to the journal Health Affairs. The state requires them to cover everyone regardless of health status, and establishes a broad benefits package insurance policies must provide, updated annually by a committee of appointed experts. The government pays the full cost of these policies, mostly through higher taxes. The state also caps the level of annual revenue hospitals can earn from an insurance plan. Care is largely delivered through government-owned facilities; there are private providers, but they tend to charge more.

More: Mitt Romney Hails Israel’s Socialized Health Care System | TPM2012

Any form of socialism doesn't work in a wide scale.

Sure - socialized health care may work temporarily, but it will eventually fail....

 

[GHook93]

Well, the original Zionists were socialist, and Israel is probably more so than France that so many hold up as a horrible example.

Not true homo! Israel has always been build on free market capitalism and only got into the UHC business back in 1995, WHICH IS WORKING FOR THEM! France is socialist nightmare, they aren't close to that!

 

[Lakhota]

So how’s the socialized approach working out?

Quite well. Israel covers all residents and spends 8 percent of its national product on health care; the U.S. currently spends 17.5 percent and has many uninsured. Nor are Israelis resigned to low quality care or long waits that some associate with government-run systems: according to the Jewish Daily Forward, “going by many indexes of health outcomes, the result in terms of quality of care [in Israel] is often better — and definitely cheaper than in the U.S.”

A 2010 study in Health Affairs describes “strong government influence” over its system has been the catalyst for Israel’s low health spending growth since the 1995 reforms.

The Affordable Care Act moves the U.S. a bit closer to an Israel-type system with the use of regulations and mandates to extend coverage, but permits far less government power over health care delivery than Israel. Romney has vowed to repeal the law if elected president.

From the OP link.

You hate Jews and everything about them, so why are you touting their healthcare system to support your agenda?

Jews are okay. I just loathe their hardline government.

 

[GHook93]

From the OP link.

You hate Jews and everything about them, so why are you touting their healthcare system to support your agenda?

Jews are okay. I just loathe their hardline government.

LOL if you call them hardlinem then you know nothing about there government you stupid little cocksucker!

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[Lakhota]

You hate Jews and everything about them, so why are you touting their healthcare system to support your agenda?

Jews are okay. I just loathe their hardline government.

LOL if you call them hardlinem then you know nothing about there government you stupid little cocksucker!

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Oh, my, does this mean you're going to call me a "red-skinned ******"...again...? Gee, nothing racist about you...

 

[tjvh]

I doubt whether Israel has the same problems with millions of Illegal Aliens, and its people having to foot the Bill for them as we DO in America... Just a thought.

 

[zeke]

The way it really works in Israel. Not quite as rosy a picture as liberals would have you believe.

Comparing U.S. and Israeli health care systems

PND: How would you compare the Israel’s health care system to that in the U.S., and what could you see each learning from the other?

SG: Israel has always been committed to health care for everybody. That’s been axiomatic. There’s a very high proportion of dialysis compared to the overall income of the country. The highest number of IVF units in the world per population. Probably the highest number of transplantation units per population. If somebody needs a transplantation in Israel, they’ll raise money in the community, not to let somebody die. Although we’re getting away from socialism more and more, going to a free economy and America’s the model,

OOPS

PND: Was the primary motivation for coming up with this form of health system to hold down costs?

SG: Every player has different motivations. The major sick fund was rescued financially by the national health insurance bill. But I think there’s a general feeling that health care should be provided for everybody without necessarily tying it to membership in the union or some organization. Everybody agreed in principle that there should be national health insurance. Most western countries now have national health insurance, except the United States.

From your link.

No way a rethug on here would try and cherry pick an article to prove a point.........
then not read the whole article and be made to look the fool.

That didn't just happen. Did it?

 

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[DontBeStupid]

By Sahil Kapur

During a trip to Israel, Mitt Romney hailed the nation’s health care system for holding down costs and broadening coverage more effectively than the U.S.

The irony: Israel contains costs by adopting a very centralized, government-run health care system — anathema to Romney’s Republican Party.

“Do you realize what health care spending is as a percentage of the GDP in Israel? Eight percent. You spend eight percent of GDP on health care. You’re a pretty healthy nation,” he said Monday at a breakfast fundraiser, according to the New York Times. “We spend 18 percent of our GDP on health care, 10 percentage points more. That gap, that 10 percent cost, compare that with the size of our military — our military which is 4 percent, 4 percent. Our gap with Israel is 10 points of GDP. We have to find ways — not just to provide health care to more people, but to find ways to fund and manage our health care costs.”

Israel’s health care system is an instructive exercise in all that rankles American conservatives — replete with government mandates, price controls and centralized payments funded mostly by high taxes.

Reformed in 1995 on the basis of a European model, Israelis are forced to buy insurance from one of several competing not-for-profit plans, which are heavily regulated by the government, according to the journal Health Affairs. The state requires them to cover everyone regardless of health status, and establishes a broad benefits package insurance policies must provide, updated annually by a committee of appointed experts. The government pays the full cost of these policies, mostly through higher taxes. The state also caps the level of annual revenue hospitals can earn from an insurance plan. Care is largely delivered through government-owned facilities; there are private providers, but they tend to charge more.

More: Mitt Romney Hails Israel’s Socialized Health Care System | TPM2012

Any form of socialism doesn't work in a wide scale.

Sure - socialized health care may work temporarily, but it will eventually fail....

Well thankfully you backed up your position with facts and evidence.

 

[zeke]

More: Mitt Romney Hails Israel’s Socialized Health Care System | TPM2012

Any form of socialism doesn't work in a wide scale.

Sure - socialized health care may work temporarily, but it will eventually fail....

Well thankfully you backed up your position with facts and evidence.

Don't need nor want no facts or evidence. They get in the way of a good fantasy.
Especially funny when it is our health care system under pressure. But those other countries health care systems suck. They just don't spend as much money and cover more of the people than ours does.

But other than that, ours is great.

 

[mascale]

When confronting the Birther Movement back home, then Romney can point out that the Kenyan guy stole the Affordable Health Care Act from the Jews.

In Romney's America, that will actually resonate.

"Crow, James Crow: Shaken, Not Stirred!"
(Former Vice President Cheney now contending that even Sarah Palin, scoping on Vladimir Putin, shirtless, from her front porch: Was also a bad choice(?). . . .just somehow thinking of so many others(?)!)

 

[there4eyeM]

Change history if you can; Zionism was born of socialists and a socialist concept for nationhood.

That doesn't make it evil by itself unless one has very limited ideas of what socialism is.

Still, Zionism and the resulting state of Israel was a mistake that has led to a lot of unnecessary danger and suffering to Jewish people. The movement caused them to concentrate in an area where they are exposed and a target when they could have been dispersed and in safety, especially in North America.

Not being a Zionist has nothing to do with any conceivable definition of anti-semitic.

 

[Ariux]

Not true homo! Israel has always been build on free market capitalism and only got into the UHC business back in 1995, WHICH IS WORKING FOR THEM! France is socialist nightmare, they aren't close to that!

Your Jewish fetish gives you shit for brains. Israel is very socialist. If Israeli is behind France in the race to Socialism, it's only because Israel is a late entry into the race.

 

[OODA_Loop]

It works in countries where the populace is self-accountable.

In countries where a small percentage tote the water for the rest. Not so much.

 

[mascale]

A kibbutz is a kind of collective, and kibbutzim are a collection of those. The origins of Israel were likely not ideological, however. Clearly: Any little kids needed anyone for a parent. There were refugees from Civilization in abundance. . . .or something. Like Jewish Cemeteries to this date: Zionism mainly represented a collection of all the Jews in one place, of tribal origins.

In the Romney case, it was Romney's dad who actually had the "papers" problem, who was not thought a Kenyan. Anyone has to guess that great pains were taken to make sure that Michigan had never heard of Mexico. It would actually be the younger Romney who would take the homespun and pioneering lead: In the exporting of U. S. national jobs to other nations. Therein the GOP understands the Log Cabin tradition(?)!

The Civilization-modeled health care plan, in Israel, is likely an outcome of what Romney has called it, and by example--also MassaCare(?), and ObamaCare(?)! JewCare(?) clearly works, and clearly efficiently, and cost-effectively. Sarah Palin would not be expected to even have to comment on any death panels.

It does, however, become difficult to trace a consistent position on anything in the GOP contender's own background, policy, or ethics. It runs in the party.

Birthers, in fact, can easily discuss "MassaCare"(?)" in the context of what the Kenyan guy did in the United States: If not in the so many words(?)! Making it look Jewish is. . . .probably to be expected! The South Chicago religious community, in fact, may eventually be inclined to view it that way themselves(?). Rev. Jeremiah Wright is so easily embarrased by so much of his parish activities. . . .and not just in the so many words!

"Crow, James Crow: Shaken, Not Stirred!'
(Original "MassCare," then followed by poison blankets and rotted corn: Even better example of Civilized. . . ."MassaCare(?)!)

 

[Greenbeard]

It works in countries where the populace is self-accountable.

In countries where a small percentage tote the water for the rest. Not so much.

More equal societies? What kind of communist would want that?

 

[jasonnfree]

Republicans should be foaming at the mouth over this. Everytime we send Israel money, we are in effect subsidizing their socialized health care, money being fungible and all.

It works in countries where the populace is self-accountable.

In countries where a small percentage tote the water for the rest. Not so much.

 

[jasonnfree]

Ooh, another foul mouthed right winger. Hint. If you call someone stupid you should check your spelling and word usage before you hit submit. Use their for possession, not there.
Hardlinem? wtf?

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You hate Jews and everything about them, so why are you touting their healthcare system to support your agenda?

Jews are okay. I just loathe their hardline government.

LOL if you call them hardlinem then you know nothing about there government you stupid little cocksucker!

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[J.E.D]

'Romney did not the Israel system as a model of reform for the US.'



OP Fail.

The OP never made that claim. Reading comprehension fail.

 

[Conservative]

Question for you, Shitting Bull...

Should you pay for health care, based upon your salary? In other words, should two people have the exact same insurance package, yet one pay more per year because he makes more money? Remember, same exact coverage.

Since Shitting Bull took a pass on this (too hard I guess), I'll open it up to the floor. Anyone?