Romney Flip Flops on Mandate, now says it is a tax

[Quantum Windbag]

You know...........I've said this on another thread as well.............

If you pay your taxes on time, you don't get fines or penalties for filing late. The taxes are your tax, but the fines and penalties are added on IF AND ONLY IF, you don't file on time.

If you don't have health care insurance, yet can afford it? They FINE you, but, the fine is able to be applied under existing tax laws. In 2014, if you can afford health insurance, but don't get it? THEN AND ONLY THEN do you pay the fine for not having health care.

If you do have health care? You pay no fine, and, what's more, if the insurance provider pays for less than 20 percent of YOUR premiums on YOUR health care, YOU are entitled to a refund at the end of the year when you do your taxes.

The only ones getting fined under this provision of the tax code are those who can afford insurance, but don't get it, because they think they're going to live forever. Think 20 somethings.

The only ones getting fined under this provision of the tax code are the "free riders".

The mandate to buy health insurance is a tax, good to know.

 

[Zoom-boing]

You know...........I've said this on another thread as well.............

If you pay your taxes on time, you don't get fines or penalties for filing late. The taxes are your tax, but the fines and penalties are added on IF AND ONLY IF, you don't file on time.

If you don't have health care insurance, yet can afford it? They FINE you, but, the fine is able to be applied under existing tax laws. In 2014, if you can afford health insurance, but don't get it? THEN AND ONLY THEN do you pay the fine for not having health care.

If you do have health care? You pay no fine, and, what's more, if the insurance provider pays for less than 20 percent of YOUR premiums on YOUR health care, YOU are entitled to a refund at the end of the year when you do your taxes.

The only ones getting fined under this provision of the tax code are those who can afford insurance, but don't get it, because they think they're going to live forever. Think 20 somethings.

The only ones getting fined under this provision of the tax code are the "free riders".

They have no real way of collecting that money. They'll keep your 'fine' if you get a refund but if you don't get a refund there isn't anything they'll do.

So all that money they're counting on to offset costs (tax would generate about $54 billion over eight years, assuming the tax rises as scheduled http://www.forbes.com/sites/beltway...sured-penalty-and-irs-hamstrung-to-collect/)? Not gonna be there. Ooops.

 

[Wry Catcher]

The United States spends nearly 40 percent more on health care per capita than its G.D.P. per capita would predict. Given the sheer magnitude of the estimated excess spending, it is fair to ask American health care providers what extra benefits the American people receive in return for this enormous extra spending. After all, translated into total dollar spending per year, this excess spending amounted to $570 billion in 2006 and about $650 billion in 2008. The latter figure is over five times the estimated $125 billion or so in additional health spending that would be needed to attain truly universal health insurance coverage in this country.

See: http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/2...ch-part-ii-indefensible-administrative-costs/

 

[The Rabbi]

The United States spends nearly 40 percent more on health care per capita than its G.D.P. per capita would predict. Given the sheer magnitude of the estimated excess spending, it is fair to ask American health care providers what extra benefits the American people receive in return for this enormous extra spending. After all, translated into total dollar spending per year, this excess spending amounted to $570 billion in 2006 and about $650 billion in 2008. The latter figure is over five times the estimated $125 billion or so in additional health spending that would be needed to attain truly universal health insurance coverage in this country.

See: Why Does U.S. Health Care Cost So Much? (Part II: Indefensible Administrative Costs) - NYTimes.com

The U.S. pays more because we use more and more expensive health care services. The Lockerbee bomber got better care that extended his life in Libya than he got in Scotland.
That thought alone would make you want to take the cock out of your mouth and consider it, you cocksucker.

 

[Intense]

Since everyone else seems to just pick and choose what they want from the article allow me to do the same.
"I said that I agreed with the dissent and the dissent made it very clear that they felt it was unconstitutional. But the dissent lost," Romney said. "It's in the minority. And so now the Supreme Court has spoken, and while I agreed with dissent, it's taken over by the fact that the majority of the court said that it's a tax and therefore it is a tax."

The Key here is "For Now". It is Never a Safe Idea to leave the Battles to the Court. Congress was wrong to even let it get that far. The Court is the weakest Branch of the Federal Government. It has proved that by bad decisions and 5/4 splits too often. It is too Politically Charged. Congress failed us, long before it ever got to the Courts.

 

[Intense]

The United States spends nearly 40 percent more on health care per capita than its G.D.P. per capita would predict. Given the sheer magnitude of the estimated excess spending, it is fair to ask American health care providers what extra benefits the American people receive in return for this enormous extra spending. After all, translated into total dollar spending per year, this excess spending amounted to $570 billion in 2006 and about $650 billion in 2008. The latter figure is over five times the estimated $125 billion or so in additional health spending that would be needed to attain truly universal health insurance coverage in this country.

See: Why Does U.S. Health Care Cost So Much? (Part II: Indefensible Administrative Costs) - NYTimes.com

The U.S. pays more because we use more and more expensive health care services. The Lockerbee bomber got better care that extended his life in Libya than he got in Scotland.
That thought alone would make you want to take the cock out of your mouth and consider it, you cocksucker.

What will bankrupt us is all of the Bullshit People Imagine, running to the Doctor, because Someone Else is paying for it, every time they or their kid sneeze. This thing is set up to fail.

 

[Jroc]

Romney's got it right, finally.

As Romney says it is now a tax as defined by the court. No matter how screwed up the opinion is, it is what is. Now we hammer Obama for taxing again the people making less than $200,000 per year. Just another lie by the liar and chief, Obama can't even write an auto biography without lying. Should we expect anything else from this man?

 

[Intense]

Romney's got it right, finally.

As Romney says it is now a tax as defined by the court. No matter how screwed up the opinion is, it is what is. Now we hammer Obama for taxing again the people making less than $200,000 per year. Just another lie by the liar and chief, Obama can't even write an auto biography without lying. Should we expect anything else from this man?

Disguised pain, suffering, and misery.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

The United States spends nearly 40 percent more on health care per capita than its G.D.P. per capita would predict. Given the sheer magnitude of the estimated excess spending, it is fair to ask American health care providers what extra benefits the American people receive in return for this enormous extra spending. After all, translated into total dollar spending per year, this excess spending amounted to $570 billion in 2006 and about $650 billion in 2008. The latter figure is over five times the estimated $125 billion or so in additional health spending that would be needed to attain truly universal health insurance coverage in this country.

See: Why Does U.S. Health Care Cost So Much? (Part II: Indefensible Administrative Costs) - NYTimes.com

Given that everyone whines about this whenever they defend Obamacare it would be fair to as what, exactly, Obamacare will do about this.

 

[Ravi]

I get it. Romney says it is a tax even though he doesn't believe it is a tax. Yet what he did in MA definitely isn't a tax even though it is exactly the same thing.

He really is a hoot.

 

[The Rabbi]

The United States spends nearly 40 percent more on health care per capita than its G.D.P. per capita would predict. Given the sheer magnitude of the estimated excess spending, it is fair to ask American health care providers what extra benefits the American people receive in return for this enormous extra spending. After all, translated into total dollar spending per year, this excess spending amounted to $570 billion in 2006 and about $650 billion in 2008. The latter figure is over five times the estimated $125 billion or so in additional health spending that would be needed to attain truly universal health insurance coverage in this country.

See: Why Does U.S. Health Care Cost So Much? (Part II: Indefensible Administrative Costs) - NYTimes.com

Given that everyone whines about this whenever they defend Obamacare it would be fair to as what, exactly, Obamacare will do about this.

Obamacare will do something. It will bend the cost curve. It will assure quality health care for all Americans. It is a gift to the American people.
I realize that doesnt answer the question but that's what Dems do.

 

[onecut39]

Call it whatever the fuck you want. It matters not since it will be repealed if Romney wins.

Y ou keep saying that if it makes you feel good. Just get used to the fact that there is not a chance in Hel of that actually happening.

 

[Nosmo King]

Romney just hasn't had his "I was for it before I was against it" moment on tape. And the Democrats don't have a weasel like Karl Rove to exploit it when it does happen.

 

[oldernwiser]

Since everyone else seems to just pick and choose what they want from the article allow me to do the same.
"I said that I agreed with the dissent and the dissent made it very clear that they felt it was unconstitutional. But the dissent lost," Romney said. "It's in the minority. And so now the Supreme Court has spoken, and while I agreed with dissent, it's taken over by the fact that the majority of the court said that it's a tax and therefore it is a tax."

Most people would consider that living with reality, but NY considers that flip flopping.

Romney is not a leader, he's simply echoing what every Republican talking head has said for the past several days, "it's a tax". So what? What did he call it when he signed Romneycare into law as Gov. of MA?

He called it a FINE... which is about the same thing as a "penalty". $1000, to be precise. Except, ACA earmarks the funds (collected as a tax, but charged as a penalty) to augment the new insurance programs. MA has different rules about how cash from a "fine" can be spent.

This is such a stupid discussion - whether you call it a fine, a penalty, or a tax is completely immaterial. The result would be exactly the same no matter what label you apply.

 

[oldernwiser]

Call it whatever the fuck you want. It matters not since it will be repealed if Romney wins.

Wishful thinking. Repealing this law would mean that Congress will have to look into the REAL cause of higher health care costs. They might even have to institute price regulation on the medical industry (can you feel the GOP shivers?) . Right now, Obama, Romney & Congress have a scapegoat to hang a Pariah sign on - the nasty old insurance companies. Blowing up the ACA would NOT be in their best interest.

 

[JakeStarkey]

suck that romney dick

Now you sound like the perverted sex wacks of the far right.

romney is your messiah, God i hope he wins. This will be awesome playing at your guys game.

No more than BHO is your messiah,my friend. Romney is the better guy for the job is all. The sexual comments of the far left and the far right are simply juvenile.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Romney's got it right, finally.

As Romney says it is now a tax as defined by the court. No matter how screwed up the opinion is, it is what is. Now we hammer Obama for taxing again the people making less than $200,000 per year. Just another lie by the liar and chief, Obama can't even write an auto biography without lying. Should we expect anything else from this man?

Your comedy routine is makes far less sensse than this one:

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pd2IoHbjvTk&feature=results_main&playnext=1&list=PLEF77F69FE30E5709]Robin Williams Weapons of self destruction Part 1 - YouTube[/ame]

 

[Trajan]

After saying Thursday that he agreed with the dissent on the SCOTUS decision, i.e., that it wasn't a tax,

Romney has now, with painfully boring predictability, flip flopped AGAIN and is now saying it is a tax.

LINK:

Romney calls health care mandate a ‘tax,’ contradicts top aide – CNN Political Ticker - CNN.com Blogs

Apparently, conveniently, Romney is taking the position that the Supreme Court can't ever be wrong.

(Supporters of Roe v. Wade, among others, should take comfort in that Romney endorsement of a woman's right to choose.)

never gets old...

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rL7ak__MGyw]Obama Goes Toe-To-Toe With Stephanopoulos On "Tax Increases" - YouTube[/ame]

 

[Liability]

Mitt says it's a penalty. No. It's a tax.

President Obama said, it's a penalty not a tax. BUT then the SCOTUS said if it's not a tax, then it must fall. So it's a tax. And the President runs with that. But no. HE insists (now that it has survived on what he necessarily considers to be a false basis) that it IS a penalty after all. Just a penalty that gets COLLECTED as a tax.

Yeah. That President sure is consistent and nuanced.

OF course, Congress said it was a penalty, not a tax. But the Chief Justice (and the lib majority) said that Congress has no right to call it a penalty when the SCOTUS, in its infinite wisdom, can declare it to be saffron rice! So, lo and behold, that which WAS a penalty is no longer a penalty; it's a tax.

And isn't that what Mitt is getting attacked for ultimately concluding?

If the President flips and flops like John Kerry on Ritalin, that's fine. But if it takes Mitt a couple of extra beats to nail it down, HE's a no-good flip-flopper.

Sure libs.

By the way, The ONE was going to shut down Gitmo, too.

 

[ItsjustmeIthink]

Romney is too much like Bush. Clueless and out of his element, the country will be run by his cabinet.