Right. Now its time to life the siege, and allow Gazans to normalise

[Daniyel]

The blockade will be lifted as soon as they can give their word to stop terrorizing Israel

You know, I think that would be fair.
It would need a few guarantees on the other side too, of course, and a real and serious commitment from Israel to actually address a lot of other stuff.

But for a first pass agreement, I would go with your proposal.

Dealing with the WB is a different issue and unrelated to Gaza, however its Hamas&Co responsibility for making Israel place the blockade in the first place, without the blockade the rocket flow would've been much worse, and would've silence entire Israel with Fajr5 and even better missiles.
I don't expect commitments or promises since they're meaningless, silence would be answered with silence is probably the most efficient status quo, lifting the blockade periodically is another alternative rather than commitments and escalations, the blockade should be proportionate to the situation, and as the bigger elephant in the room Israel should not compromise on safety and interests, besides that I would be glad to see my tax spent on industry, education, and wealth rather than limiting some fishermen although the threat Iran and Qatar (Bank&TV) posing, Israel should maintain the blockade because of that while considering a very harsh response against those sucks, and Hamas are not saints but their teeth must be broken.
Sorry for the mess of the post-mobile.

 

[fanger]

Why should Hamas give any "tribute" to the IOF

 

[Beelzebub]

First tribute of Hamas should in that case, be, giving up the Fajr rockets and destroying them completely.

No.
You said based on their word.

Just as Israel will retain its potential for devastation Gaza should retain its potential to fire back.

If BOTH disarm then ok.
But if Gaza disarms unilaterally, they will be plundered.

 

[Daniyel]

First tribute of Hamas should in that case, be, giving up the Fajr rockets and destroying them completely.

No.
You said based on their word.

Just as Israel will retain its potential for devastation Gaza should retain its potential to fire back.

If BOTH disarm then ok.
But if Gaza disarms unilaterally, they will be plundered.

So basically Russia should be disarmed because of Ukraine? The rockets they are still producing at this very moment are only serving their next escalation,they have zero reason to have them anyway as they claim their only purpose is to lift the blockade-which is not in their hand.

 

[Beelzebub]

You're on the wrong board for that discussion Danny Boy.

 

[docmauser1]

Well: Cessation of hostilities= forget about Israel leaving the West Bank

Judea & Samaria, that is.

You make it an easy choice. Most decent people will resist occupation.

Makes palistanians indecent - they enjoy their occupation, like in a job description Occupationally Palistanian, of course.

If there is no end in sight they will resist all the more.

More like enjoy that even more.

In any case, the jaws of international pressure close slowly on Israel's arse. And the first bite will be the first of many.

Are we talking those, whom palistanians occupy and oppress with their occupation?

 

[Daniyel]

You're on the wrong board for that discussion Danny Boy.

Said the guy posted A Gazonto thread with a comparison between Gaza to Toronto if it were bombed-a movie actually.
Nice try Abo-Beezle but you are still in the other side of truth.

 

[docmauser1]

But if Gaza disarms unilaterally, they will be plundered.

They worry about their fems' assets too much, of course.

 

[Oldstyle]

I don't think you can divide good treatment of Gaza from good treatment of all of Palestine.

If you make a deal it needs to cover all of that state, not just one big city.
Don't forget, rocket fire from Gaza only happened after Israel killed 12 or so Palestinians and destroyed property and quality of life for thousands, intentionally, while 'searching' for boys it already knew were dead.

So you can START with a deal on Gaza, but if that is not backed up with agreements and decent conditions in the West Bank and Golan Heights then we will just wait for the next war,

Everyone knows this.
And because they do, Israel will be held to account more each time.

Eventually even the most corrupt will boycott you, due to public pressure. Yes: Even FIFA.

Are you delusional? Rocket fire from Gaza didn't "start" after Israel responded to the cowardly murder of three young men by Hamas...rocket fire from Gaza has been the status quo for almost a decade! More than 4,000 rockets have been fired from Gaza into Israel since the 2005 Israeli withdrawal from Gaza.

 

[Daniyel]

I don't think you can divide good treatment of Gaza from good treatment of all of Palestine.

If you make a deal it needs to cover all of that state, not just one big city.
Don't forget, rocket fire from Gaza only happened after Israel killed 12 or so Palestinians and destroyed property and quality of life for thousands, intentionally, while 'searching' for boys it already knew were dead.

So you can START with a deal on Gaza, but if that is not backed up with agreements and decent conditions in the West Bank and Golan Heights then we will just wait for the next war,

Everyone knows this.
And because they do, Israel will be held to account more each time.

Eventually even the most corrupt will boycott you, due to public pressure. Yes: Even FIFA.

Are you delusional? Rocket fire from Gaza didn't "start" after Israel responded to the cowardly murder of three young men by Hamas...rocket fire from Gaza has been the status quo for almost a decade! More than 4,000 rockets have been fired from Gaza into Israel since the 2005 Israeli withdrawal from Gaza.

4000+ during protective edge.

 

[toastman]

First tribute of Hamas should in that case, be, giving up the Fajr rockets and destroying them completely.

No.
You said based on their word.

Just as Israel will retain its potential for devastation Gaza should retain its potential to fire back.

If BOTH disarm then ok.
But if Gaza disarms unilaterally, they will be plundered.

If Gaza is disarmed, Israel will have no reason to retaliate.
Why can't you comprehend that?

And asking Israel to disarm is beyond delusional. We're talking about disarming a rag tag AK-47 toting Islamist terrorist group vs. The army of a sovereign state.
Slap yourself in the face for even suggesting that.

 

[Beelzebub]

A rag tag AK-47 toting Islamist terrorist group, which forced the IDF out of Gaza, when they would otherwise have been in it for 47 years, now.

Israel doesn't retaliate. Israel advances and ethnically clears areas then settles its own.
What you call retaliation is Israel suppressing the natives.

 

[Daniyel]

A rag tag AK-47 toting Islamist terrorist group, which forced the IDF out of Gaza, when they would otherwise have been in it for 47 years, now.

Israel doesn't retaliate. Israel advances and ethnically clears areas then settles its own.
What you call retaliation is Israel suppressing the natives.

FORCED THE IDF OUT OF GAZA?
Ahahaha..so tell me genius why that rag tag cannot defeat Israel? Because they lack the desire to do so?

 

[Beelzebub]

Well they are not an army. They are just a militia with few arms and no permanent bases.
Pushing Israel out of Gaza for them was doing the impossible.

For Hamas on its own to hope to defeat all of Israel and its allies would be a miracle.

Do you find that difficult to understand Danny Boy?
No?
Ah, so you are just trolling then. Ok.

Goodnight.

 

[Oldstyle]

A rag tag AK-47 toting Islamist terrorist group, which forced the IDF out of Gaza, when they would otherwise have been in it for 47 years, now.

Israel doesn't retaliate. Israel advances and ethnically clears areas then settles its own.
What you call retaliation is Israel suppressing the natives.

Wow, you are one delusional person, Beelz! You really think Hamas forced the IDF out of Gaza?

 

[Beelzebub]

"Persuaded" if you prefer.

Wars are seldom won on the battlefield. Only battles are won there.

 

[Crystalclear]

No, now it's time for Hamas to behave. If they keep firing rockets, no lifting of the blockade.

 

[Hossfly]

A rag tag AK-47 toting Islamist terrorist group, which forced the IDF out of Gaza, when they would otherwise have been in it for 47 years, now.

Israel doesn't retaliate. Israel advances and ethnically clears areas then settles its own.
What you call retaliation is Israel suppressing the natives.

Forced out of Gaza! I don't know whether to laugh, or go blind over that statement!

 

[Statistikhengst]

The blockade will be lifted as soon as they can give their word to stop terrorizing Israel

Well, that will be a cold day in Hell.

 

[Statistikhengst]

I am convinced that one day, ugly radical muslims will give up.

When Mecca is turned to nuclear glass and all that is left of Gaza is molten slag.

And it won't be an Israeli or US-American rocket that does it. The fucking muslims themselves are going to do it.