Right. Now its time to life the siege, and allow Gazans to normalise

[Beelzebub]

Its already proven that Israel can neither prevent weapons from getting in or destroy them when they are there.

Israel must surely understand its best chance is to make peace pay for Palestinians.
That means allowing all the comfortable corrupting elements of peace to creep in. Ice Cream, too much meat. Good jobs. Nice houses. Freedom to say what they think, in print and to Israel.

And justice. No more theft from Palestinians, and addressing the thefts that Israel has already made against them.

What say you?

 

[Lipush]

The blockade will be lifted as soon as they can give their word to stop terrorizing Israel

 

[docmauser1]

Israel must surely understand its best chance is to make peace pay for Palestinians. That means allowing all the comfortable corrupting elements of peace to creep in. Ice Cream, too much meat. Good jobs. Nice houses. Freedom to say what they think, in print and to Israel. And justice. No more theft from Palestinians, and addressing the thefts that Israel has already made against them.

Ah, freeloaders want more of those.

 

[Daniyel]

Right now is the time to TEST their intentions, Hamas must maintain the truce at all cost, or it will drag Israel to a very harsh respond, and probably will terminate the negotiations.

 

[Beelzebub]

I don't think you can divide good treatment of Gaza from good treatment of all of Palestine.

If you make a deal it needs to cover all of that state, not just one big city.
Don't forget, rocket fire from Gaza only happened after Israel killed 12 or so Palestinians and destroyed property and quality of life for thousands, intentionally, while 'searching' for boys it already knew were dead.

So you can START with a deal on Gaza, but if that is not backed up with agreements and decent conditions in the West Bank and Golan Heights then we will just wait for the next war,

Everyone knows this.
And because they do, Israel will be held to account more each time.

Eventually even the most corrupt will boycott you, due to public pressure. Yes: Even FIFA.

 

[Daniyel]

Its all the other way around.

 

[Lipush]

I cannt treat "Palestine" because there is no "Palestine" to start with.

Palestine is like the spaghetti monster. Fictional

 

[docmauser1]

I don't think you can divide good treatment of Gaza from good treatment of all of Palestine. If you make a deal it needs to cover all of that state, not just one big city. Don't forget, rocket fire from Gaza only happened after Israel killed 12 or so Palestinians and destroyed property and quality of life for thousands, intentionally, while 'searching' for boys it already knew were dead. So you can START with a deal on Gaza, but if that is not backed up with agreements and decent conditions in the West Bank and Golan Heights then we will just wait for the next war, Everyone knows this.
And because they do, Israel will be held to account more each time. Eventually even the most corrupt will boycott you, due to public pressure. Yes: Even FIFA.

Dryvel.

 

[toastman]

I don't think you can divide good treatment of Gaza from good treatment of all of Palestine.

If you make a deal it needs to cover all of that state, not just one big city.
Don't forget, rocket fire from Gaza only happened after Israel killed 12 or so Palestinians and destroyed property and quality of life for thousands, intentionally, while 'searching' for boys it already knew were dead.

So you can START with a deal on Gaza, but if that is not backed up with agreements and decent conditions in the West Bank and Golan Heights then we will just wait for the next war,

Everyone knows this.
And because they do, Israel will be held to account more each time.

Eventually even the most corrupt will boycott you, due to public pressure. Yes: Even FIFA.

Israel knew the three teens were dead when they were searching for them? Bullshit lie.
And those 12 dead Palestinian were killed while throwing rocks and molotov cocktails, firebombs at Israeli soldiers.
Violence needs to end from the Palestinian side first for a period of lets say 6 months.
Not ONE rocket launched at Israel and not ONE rock thrown at Israeli soldiers.
Is that so much to ask?

 

[Beelzebub]

Yep.

Unless Israel withdraws to barracks or to Israel, out of the OT.

Israel treats peace as an invitation to take more. Palestinians should not give them that invitation.

 

[docmauser1]

Yep. Unless Israel withdraws to barracks or to Israel, out of the OT. Israel treats peace as an invitation to take more. Palestinians should not give them that invitation.

Battery, Abu Aziz!

 

[Indeependent]

I don't think you can divide good treatment of Gaza from good treatment of all of Palestine.

If you make a deal it needs to cover all of that state, not just one big city.
Don't forget, rocket fire from Gaza only happened after Israel killed 12 or so Palestinians and destroyed property and quality of life for thousands, intentionally, while 'searching' for boys it already knew were dead.

So you can START with a deal on Gaza, but if that is not backed up with agreements and decent conditions in the West Bank and Golan Heights then we will just wait for the next war,

Everyone knows this.
And because they do, Israel will be held to account more each time.

Eventually even the most corrupt will boycott you, due to public pressure. Yes: Even FIFA.

And then the Jews, who own the world according to you, will still do just fine.

 

[Phoenall]

Its already proven that Israel can neither prevent weapons from getting in or destroy them when they are there.

Israel must surely understand its best chance is to make peace pay for Palestinians.
That means allowing all the comfortable corrupting elements of peace to creep in. Ice Cream, too much meat. Good jobs. Nice houses. Freedom to say what they think, in print and to Israel.

And justice. No more theft from Palestinians, and addressing the thefts that Israel has already made against them.

What say you?

COWFLOP hamas had its arsenal diminished by 90% in the recent fighting, it also lost 1500 fighters. Israel pinpointed the areas were it was known the rocket launchers were, Google Earth is very good, and destroyed them. They also destroyed most of the tunnels stopping the upcoming hamas attack on Israel.

They have in the west bank by employing them in the settlements giving them better wages than they would get otherwise, better working conditions, better holiday entitlement etc. The west bank has all it wants and is peaceful apart from a few idiots that want to destroy everything. But while there are those elements then the stranglehold will stay in place, the restrictions on movement and the military law will be enforced.

Still waiting for the links that prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that Israel has stolen anything from the Palestinians. Even the UN say that Palestine is a nation in name only and has no land or borders. Israel has only done what it is allowed to do under customary international law, and repopulate the land stolen from them in 1948/1949 by the palestinians

 

[Phoenall]

Right now is the time to TEST their intentions, Hamas must maintain the truce at all cost, or it will drag Israel to a very harsh respond, and probably will terminate the negotiations.

And lead to all out war against a depleted and scared hamas that will be fighting for its very existence

 

[Phoenall]

I don't think you can divide good treatment of Gaza from good treatment of all of Palestine.

If you make a deal it needs to cover all of that state, not just one big city.
Don't forget, rocket fire from Gaza only happened after Israel killed 12 or so Palestinians and destroyed property and quality of life for thousands, intentionally, while 'searching' for boys it already knew were dead.

So you can START with a deal on Gaza, but if that is not backed up with agreements and decent conditions in the West Bank and Golan Heights then we will just wait for the next war,

Everyone knows this.
And because they do, Israel will be held to account more each time.

Eventually even the most corrupt will boycott you, due to public pressure. Yes: Even FIFA.

Try again as the rocket fire started when Israel unilaterally implemented the oslo accords and removed all Jewish traces from gaza. That was in August 2005 and since that time the Palestinians have fired over 12,000 rockets at Israel resulting in the deaths of 10,000 Palestinians. This the historical facts that can be found by anyone with half a brain cell.
The deal with gaza needs hamas to abide by the letter and the intention of the agreement and then and only then will Israel start to lift the blockade and slacken the stranglehold on Palestine. Finally the unity government MUST agree to talks without any pre conditions being put in place, and mutual borders have to be part of the agreement.

Everyone knows now that hamas is not to be trusted and should be ostracised because of the war crimes and crimes against humanity unearthed by Journalists in the last round of fighting, from slave labour of children digging the tunnels to placing rocket launch pads in civilian areas. For storing illegal chemical/biological weapons in a school to forcing people to be human shields. When youtalk of being corrupt look no further than the hamas leadership that have private swimming pools behind their walls filled every day with fresh water. Then there are the Swiss bank accounts were they put the money from the UN. which is why the EU have decided to stop sending aid money to gaza.

 

[Phoenall]

Yep.

Unless Israel withdraws to barracks or to Israel, out of the OT.

Israel treats peace as an invitation to take more. Palestinians should not give them that invitation.

So that your hero's can mass murder Israeli children once more, only a complete moron would come up with that solution. What next that Israel give the Palestinians nuclear weapons to play with ?

 

[toastman]

Yep.

Unless Israel withdraws to barracks or to Israel, out of the OT.

Israel treats peace as an invitation to take more. Palestinians should not give them that invitation.

No cessation of hostilities= forget about Israel leaving the West Bank

 

[Beelzebub]

Yep.

Unless Israel withdraws to barracks or to Israel, out of the OT.

Israel treats peace as an invitation to take more. Palestinians should not give them that invitation.

No cessation of hostilities= forget about Israel leaving the West Bank

Well:
Cessation of hostilities= forget about Israel leaving the West Bank[

You make it an easy choice. Most decent people will resist occupation. If there is no end in sight they will resist all the more. In any case, the jaws of international pressure close slowly on Israel's arse. And the first bite will be the first of many.

 

[Beelzebub]

The blockade will be lifted as soon as they can give their word to stop terrorizing Israel

You know, I think that would be fair.
It would need a few guarantees on the other side too, of course, and a real and serious commitment from Israel to actually address a lot of other stuff.

But for a first pass agreement, I would go with your proposal.

 

[Lipush]

First tribute of Hamas should in that case, be, giving up the Fajr rockets and destroying them completely.