Republicans vs. Conservatives: Funny but true

[Bass v 2.0]

The Republican Party, those who are politicians, to me are not conservative all, especially on the far right. Being conservative and or liberal is not the problem, we all have views that are more or less conservative and or liberal and most Americans are some place closer to the center than on the fringe, the problem is the policies of the party, thats why I'll never identify with any party.

but yet the reason so many have gotten on you here is because we NEVER see you denouncing anything the Dems do.....but you seem to be all over the Repubs....and if you have Bass its like 10 out of 10 things the Republicans do and maybe 1 out of 10 things the Democrats do....let me see you say it Bass.....THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY SUCKS.....just type those words for me.....it will be a start.....

I don't have to bash Democrats to show that I'm a conservative because even if I did that still wouldn't be proof I'm a conservative. I have stressed that both parties are at fault for the problems of the country because they spend too much time fighting with each other, however, tards on the right insist on spewing lies and propaganda and they like being in the news so I take my shots at them mostly.

 

[Bass v 2.0]

When Dick Cheney preferred Rush Limbaugh over Colin Powell that let me know right away the direction and mind set of the Republican Party, when Michael Steele had to lay prostrate after criticizing Limbaugh's divisive rhetoric, that again let me know the direction and mind set of the Republican party. Its a joke.

Colin Powell endorsed Obama. That told me right away the mindset of Mr. Powell: Liberal.

And by your retarded logic Joe Liebermann is a conservative because he endorsed McCain, despite his voting record in the Senate, you have such simplistic thinking that makes Palin look like a PHD.

 

[LordBrownTrout]

Who is your idea of a conservative, say, last 100 years, Bass?

 

[The T]

Who is your idea of a conservative, say, last 100 years, Bass?

That is assuming that Bass understands what a present-day Conservative is.

 

[whitehall]

It ain't really that funny. Republicans have been in the majority in congress for barely a month and we see George Soros inspired inane posts that start out "republicans are for....". It's a dirty trick as old as politics and revived by Saul Alinsky...put your political enemy on the defensive with a constant barrage of charges.

 

[Bass v 2.0]

It ain't really that funny. Republicans have been in the majority in congress for barely a month and we see George Soros inspired inane posts that start out "republicans are for....". It's a dirty trick as old as politics and revived by Saul Alinsky...put your political enemy on the defensive with a constant barrage of charges.

More ad-hominems?

 

[Madeline]

It ain't really that funny. Republicans have been in the majority in congress for barely a month and we see George Soros inspired inane posts that start out "republicans are for....". It's a dirty trick as old as politics and revived by Saul Alinsky...put your political enemy on the defensive with a constant barrage of charges.

More ad-hominems?

Are you George Soros, Bass? If not, that was not an ad hominem. If you are, can ihazamillionbucks?

 

[The T]

It ain't really that funny. Republicans have been in the majority in congress for barely a month and we see George Soros inspired inane posts that start out "republicans are for....". It's a dirty trick as old as politics and revived by Saul Alinsky...put your political enemy on the defensive with a constant barrage of charges.

It's the only way these creeps know how to conduct themselves. The word honesty regarding themselves is never touched because they know they will be defeated.

 

[Bass v 2.0]

It ain't really that funny. Republicans have been in the majority in congress for barely a month and we see George Soros inspired inane posts that start out "republicans are for....". It's a dirty trick as old as politics and revived by Saul Alinsky...put your political enemy on the defensive with a constant barrage of charges.

More ad-hominems?

Are you George Soros, Bass? If not, that was not an ad hominem. If you are, can ihazamillionbucks?

My question is what does George Soros have to do with this thread for anyone to bring him up?

 

[Londoner]

People don't understand the challenge the Right faced in trying to break the New Deal.

The 50s and 60s were the golden era of progressive capitalism and postwar Kenysianism. America saw its greatest economic growth, and the liberals had the loyalty of the middle class, who enjoyed the benefits of Social Security, high wages, affordable education, and the New Deal.

Conservatives, who were in the wilderness, needed to find a way to break the New Deal coalition (made mostly of southern Dixiecrats and northern Catholic workers)

....that is, Movement Conservatism needed to sever the relationship between the silent white majority and Big Government.

Their strategy was twofold.

1) Values > Culture War. They built a coalition out of those who resented the Left's social movements, i.e., people in opposition to Civil Rights, feminism, sexual revolution, hippies, abortion, evolution, alternative energy, environmentalism, etc.

Goldwater, Wallace, and Nixon created the Southern Strategy, using race to flip the Solid South. Reagan -- a man who 1) never stepped foot in church, 2) passed the nation's most liberal abortion policy as governor of CA, and 3) got divorced and was estranged from his children -- turned into "Mr. Religious Family Values", thus forming a strategic alliance with Pat Robertson and the moral majority. [It was brilliant political marketing]

2) Anti-government populism. In order to break middle class faith in government, big business (which had taken over the Republican party in the 70s) needed to destroy government, i.e., turn it into an incompetent mess so that people would not trust it with money or regulatory power.

FYI: it was a very rational strategy: business wanted to weaken the thing which taxed and regulated it. Unfortunately for the Right, however, government had just defeated the Nazis, put a man on the moon, and completed a historic infrastructure program, e.g., providing highways, damns, water, and energy across the nation -- not only creating the conditions for commerce and explosive economic growth, but even worse: these things proved that government was competent, that regulations like Glass-Stegall could be effective, and tax dollars well spent.

Reagan and business needed to turn government (which had built the Hoover Damn and brought water/energy to the Southwest) into a corrupt incompetent rat's nest -- otherwise the middle class would continue to believe that it could play a productive role in the economy.

In short, the Right needed to starve the beast. They needed to weaken government to the point where they could drown it in the bathtub.

Welcome to it folks.

(The consumer electronics boom of the 80s came out of the Cold War Pentagon and NASA, i.e., government. Government research & funding created the computer, as well as modern aerospace technology. The Right needed to erase this.They needed to create a fake history where government has not done anything good. They needed to find a coalition of sub-literate Americans who read the Bible instead of history and science texts. They needed a coalition of paranoid racist idiots who would buy into the utter falsification of history. They needed a generation of Jared Laughners -- people who think that the government boogeyman is manipulating grammar, while a shadowy cabal of jews control all the money....and Obama is coming to kill grandma and take their guns.)

Business used a charismatic actor to fool morons into giving their nation to corporations. The rest you may ignore

 

[The T]

The New Deal was Socialist. What's to understand? And we see that Big Gubmint still gets larger, and Liberty shrinks with applause from the governed to this day from that precident, and America shrinks into mediocrity and has all but forgotten exceptionalism that IS America.

*NEXT*

 

[Londoner]

The New Deal was Socialist. What's to understand? And we see that Big Gubmint still gets larger, and Liberty shrinks with applause from the governed to this day from that precident, and America shrinks into mediocrity and has all but forgotten exceptionalism that IS America.

*NEXT*

Socialism is when the workers own the modes of production. Keynes was emphatically not a socialist -- he believed in markets and private ownership. However, he thought government could play a role, however limited, in stabilizing markets.

Here is how Movement Conservatism broke the New Deal Coalition of Southern Dixiecrats and Northern Catholic workers. Their strategy was twofold.

1) Values > Culture War. They built a coalition out of those who resented the Left's social movements, i.e., people in opposition to Civil Rights, feminism, sexual revolution, hippies, abortion, evolution, alternative energy, environmentalism, etc.

Goldwater, Wallace, and Nixon created the Southern Strategy, using race to flip the Solid South. Reagan -- a man who 1) never stepped foot in church, 2) passed the nation's most liberal abortion policy as governor of CA, and 3) got divorced and was estranged from his children -- turned into "Mr. Religious Family Values", thus forming a strategic alliance with Pat Robertson and the moral majority. [It was brilliant political marketing]

2) Anti-government populism. In order to break middle class faith in government, big business (which had taken over the Republican party in the 70s) needed to destroy government, i.e., turn it into an incompetent mess so that people would not trust it with money or regulatory power.

FYI: it was a very rational strategy: business wanted to weaken the thing which taxed and regulated it. Unfortunately for the Right, however, government had just defeated the Nazis, put a man on the moon, and completed a historic infrastructure program, e.g., providing highways, damns, water, and energy across the nation -- not only creating the conditions for commerce and explosive economic growth, but even worse: these things proved that government was competent, that regulations like Glass-Stegall could be effective, and tax dollars well spent.

Again: Reagan and business needed to turn government (which had built the Hoover Damn and brought water/energy to the Southwest) into a corrupt incompetent rat's nest -- otherwise the middle class would continue to believe that it could play a productive role in the economy.

 

[Londoner]

(Movement Conservatism was successful. Meaning: they starved the beast. We are bankrupt; therefore, all government agencies will be cut. Grover Norquist admitted the brilliance of this very plan. Consequently, power is now concentrated in a handful of unregulated corporations, that is, power is now centralized within the very interests which funded Movement Conservatism. The point of Reagan was socialism for big business: subsidies and bailouts. Socialize cost and risk; privatize profit. Don't you get it? The largest contributors to the movement were big finance and energy, which now owns both parties, and staffs government through the funding of elections. This is why we had an unregulated derivative market and a meltdown from which we will not recover -- because big business, empowered by Reagan's deregulation revolution, got rid of regulations like Glass-Stegall. Didn't anybody see what was happening when Reagan grew government twice the size of Carter? Did anybody notice Reagan's historic debt and deficits? This was the beginning of the end. The rightwing was so seduced by "Evil Empire" rhetoric, that nobody saw what the movement was doing in the back room)

 

[California Girl]

Obama knows the Constitution perfectly, Obama studied the Constitution because he does not believe in the Constitution nor the United States of America.

I wonder if Obama said the pledge of alliance in 1st grade, I bet not.

Wasn't he living in Indonesia at that time? Why would anyone expect him to say the pledge of allegiance at school in Indonesia?

However, I do agree that Obama doesn't give a rat's ass about this country or its principles..... but that appears to be acceptable on the left.

Leave your personal rants to your damn self, doesn't it ever get old repeating the same personal attacks? Do you believe that the Republitards and Teabaggers know the Constitution?

I am perfectly at liberty to express whatever opinion I choose. As yet, I still retain the right of free speech..... so you can stop insisting that I shut up.... because, every time you say it, you belittle yourself.

 

[Sail Away]

Republicans vs. Conservatives


-Republicans are for AIDS money to Africa. Conservatives are for aid to working American citizens.


-Republicans are for letting the free market decide that $5 a gallon gas is OK. Conservatives are for compelling foreign oil producers to increase production and reduce prices, by force if necessary.


-Republicans are for bailing out billionaire money manipulators on Wall Street while you wait in line at the hospital behind an illegal alien. Conservatives are for letting Wall Street hucksters pay for their own mistakes and sending the illegal back to Mexico.


-Republicans are for letting market forces decide if your food has fecal matter in it. Conservatives are for enforcing basic food safety standards so that Mexican farm workers can't crap in the fields and make you sick.


-Republicans think bringing in illegal aliens is an amnesty. Conservatives think brining in illegal aliens is a travesty.


-Republicans want a strong global economy. Conservatives want a country. Republicans think that child porn on the internet is freedom from government. Conservatives know that smut is a poison that must be snuffed out.



I said before and I'll say it again, the GOP are not conservatives. I agree specifically these specific points by Michael Savage and not with everything that he says.

Some day, in America, people will figure out that there IS such a thing as "liberal conservatives" (as was clarified in this Republican/Conservative OP). There are people who believe in free market capitalism, with out excess military, security, policing, wars and government (as Republicans do). The word "liberal", by its true definition, means "liberties" as in civil liberties. The rest of the world defines liberals similar to "libertarians" similar to "neo-liberals" similar to "liberdenes" (spelling). Republicans are not liberal! Democrats ARE NOT LIBERAL! Give me one example of a liberal philosophy that a US Democrat or Republican endorses. DEMOCRATS ARE PROGRESSIVE. REPUBLICANS ARE AUTHORITARIAN ! They need to stop hijacking the term "liberal". Tea party people are liberal, anarchists are liberal, communes are liberal, militias are liberal, anti-gov groups are liberal, people who move to small towns or the country (to "get away from it all') ARE LIBERAL; they all want their civil liberties back.

 

[Madeline]

I yearn for the day I can properly label myself. Nuances and individuality are so passe'.

 

[Harry Dresden]

I don't have to bash Democrats to show that I'm a conservative because even if I did that still wouldn't be proof I'm a conservative. I have stressed that both parties are at fault for the problems of the country because they spend too much time fighting with each other, however, tards on the right insist on spewing lies and propaganda and they like being in the news so I take my shots at them mostly.

once again....you keep on just bashing the Right Bass.....like the dam Democrats dont lie and spew propaganda...if you are as neutral as you say you are, you would have had no problems saying that...but its just the Right with you Bass....and being the Conservative you say you are.....i would think you would find plenty of things to bad mouth the Democrats about....where are they?.....

 

[Bass v 2.0]

I don't have to bash Democrats to show that I'm a conservative because even if I did that still wouldn't be proof I'm a conservative. I have stressed that both parties are at fault for the problems of the country because they spend too much time fighting with each other, however, tards on the right insist on spewing lies and propaganda and they like being in the news so I take my shots at them mostly.

once again....you keep on just bashing the Right Bass.....like the dam Democrats dont lie and spew propaganda...if you are as neutral as you say you are, you would have had no problems saying that...but its just the Right with you Bass....and being the Conservative you say you are.....i would think you would find plenty of things to bad mouth the Democrats about....where are they?.....

The problem with the Republican party isn't Democrats or liberals, its the party is its own worst enemy. I don't need to criticize Democrats relentlessly to be a conservative, I live by conservative core values thats all thats needed and I critic the Republican party and Republicans and their Teabagger far right wing faction within the party, its not about criticizing left or right, its the issues I criticize.


Haven't you learned anything from me and Starkey?

 

[The T]

I don't have to bash Democrats to show that I'm a conservative because even if I did that still wouldn't be proof I'm a conservative. I have stressed that both parties are at fault for the problems of the country because they spend too much time fighting with each other, however, tards on the right insist on spewing lies and propaganda and they like being in the news so I take my shots at them mostly.

once again....you keep on just bashing the Right Bass.....like the dam Democrats dont lie and spew propaganda...if you are as neutral as you say you are, you would have had no problems saying that...but its just the Right with you Bass....and being the Conservative you say you are.....i would think you would find plenty of things to bad mouth the Democrats about....where are they?.....

The problem with the Republican party isn't Democrats or liberals, its the party is its own worst enemy. I don't need to criticize Democrats relentlessly to be a conservative, I live by conservative core values thats all thats needed and I critic the Republican party and Republicans and their Teabagger far right wing faction within the party, its not about criticizing left or right, its the issues I criticize.


Haven't you learned anything from me and Starkey?

When you both have anything to teach anyone of anything? Please let us know?

 

[Avatar4321]

This thread is more evidence of something I've known for a while:

Bass's really doesn't have the ability to analyze anything accurately.