Rep. Steve King compares workers to commodities like beans and corn

[taichiliberal]

Here's a thought....let's remove all the gov't rules that garner King's salary and benefits, and let his STATE pay his salary and benefit in order for him and family to function in D.C.

How much you want to bet that Mr. King would fast change his philosophy about being a "commodity".

 

[Quantum Windbag]

I'm sure anyone on the board that has taken an introduction to econ can confirm the validity of the terminology at wiki.

Feel free to counter with any source you can discover that states the inputs of production are anything other than Land, Labor, Capital and Enterprise. Or that a commodity is anything other than a good if speaking in economic terms.

Like this one?

The inputs or resources used in the production process are called factors of production by economists. The myriad of possible inputs are usually grouped into five categories. These factors are:

• Raw materials
• Machinery
• Labour services
• Capital goods
• Land

Production theory basics - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Raw Materials are grouped under Land.

Machinery is Capital.

Again, at no point will you find any professional economist classify labor as a commodity.

An idiot politician like King maybe.

Just the ones that subscribe to the labor theory of value of value but they are hardly professionals.

 

[Steelplate]

Ahh... but what if that "surplus" of employment was artificially generated by Corporate Greed? What if, in fact that surplus of employment became possible by exploiting a slave labor market in a KNOWN Communist country and other Socialistic ones, while at the same time slandering and demonizing American Citizens as Socialist and Communists who are intelligent enough to call these TRAITORS to task?


I know... It's called the Koch Brothers and the Tea Party.

BWAHAHAHA!!!

Man, you are soooo funny!

What if the sky was pink and unicorns actually existed?

That's nice... avoid the question and type nonsense... not that I would expect anything less.

 

[Steelplate]

Of course they do.... That's the REAL basis of Capitalism. Those with the CAPITAL win, those without, lose.

Why do you think it's called CAPITALIZING on someone else's misfortune?

That's why the country was DESIGNED to have elements of Capitalism AND Socialism built into it. Too much power either way is guaranteed misery.

I bet you claim you aren't a commie, don't you?

and I bet you claim you aren't a corporatist, don't you?

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

I bet you claim you aren't a commie, don't you?

Are you now, or have you ever been, a member of the communist party.

Interesting to see some of you guys are still around.

 

[The Rabbi]

Of course they do.... That's the REAL basis of Capitalism. Those with the CAPITAL win, those without, lose.

Why do you think it's called CAPITALIZING on someone else's misfortune?

That's why the country was DESIGNED to have elements of Capitalism AND Socialism built into it. Too much power either way is guaranteed misery.

I bet you claim you aren't a commie, don't you?

and I bet you claim you aren't a corporatist, don't you?

I know what a communist is. I don't know what a "corporatist" is.
Is that like iron that grows from the ground ready to be made into steel?

 

[Steelplate]

I bet you claim you aren't a commie, don't you?

and I bet you claim you aren't a corporatist, don't you?

I know what a communist is. I don't know what a "corporatist" is.
Is that like iron that grows from the ground ready to be made into steel?

''

Exactly.. you don't know what a Corporatist is.... because the word "Communist" is so much easier for you to grasp.

Iron is a naturally occurring element... Unless you don't believe in the periodic table.

You are ignorant as the day is long... that's why you grasp onto popular jargon like Communist, Socialist, etc... and refuse to acknowledge anything that is a little more sophisticated.

 

[The Rabbi]

and I bet you claim you aren't a corporatist, don't you?

I know what a communist is. I don't know what a "corporatist" is.
Is that like iron that grows from the ground ready to be made into steel?

''

Exactly.. you don't know what a Corporatist is.... because the word "Communist" is so much easier for you to grasp.

Iron is a naturally occurring element... Unless you don't believe in the periodic table.

You are ignorant as the day is long... that's why you grasp onto popular jargon like Communist, Socialist, etc... and refuse to acknowledge anything that is a little more sophisticated.

Uranium is a naturally occurring element too. That doesn't mean you just pull it out of the ground.

Why don't you define "corporatist" for us?

This ought to be good.

 

[Mr.Nick]

and I bet you claim you aren't a corporatist, don't you?

I know what a communist is. I don't know what a "corporatist" is.
Is that like iron that grows from the ground ready to be made into steel?

''

Exactly.. you don't know what a Corporatist is.... because the word "Communist" is so much easier for you to grasp.

Iron is a naturally occurring element... Unless you don't believe in the periodic table.

You are ignorant as the day is long... that's why you grasp onto popular jargon like Communist, Socialist, etc... and refuse to acknowledge anything that is a little more sophisticated.

Communism and corporatism is the same...

Tell me what the fucking difference is???

One is not "officially" owned by the government or is part of the government????

These "corporations" may be their own entities however Obama is pulling the strings on; GE, American Electric Power, Dupont, Verizon, Boeing, Wells Fargo, FedEx, Honeywell, IBM, Yahoo!, United Technoloties and ExxonMobil.

 

[bripat9643]

BWAHAHAHA!!!

Man, you are soooo funny!

What if the sky was pink and unicorns actually existed?

That's nice... avoid the question and type nonsense... not that I would expect anything less.

Yes, I did type nonsense. Didn't you get the fact that I was imitating your post?

 

[bripat9643]

Of course they do.... That's the REAL basis of Capitalism. Those with the CAPITAL win, those without, lose.

Why do you think it's called CAPITALIZING on someone else's misfortune?

That's why the country was DESIGNED to have elements of Capitalism AND Socialism built into it. Too much power either way is guaranteed misery.

I bet you claim you aren't a commie, don't you?

and I bet you claim you aren't a corporatist, don't you?

Why would I "admit" to being some term libturds just made-up?

"corporatist" is an attempt to make those who support the free market sound sinister, like "communist" sounds sinister.

Here's some news for you: the term "communist" is sinister because communist have murdered millions of people. People who believe in the free market have never murdered anyone. In fact, they have made any society who adopted their policies fabulously wealthy.

It ain't working.

 

[bripat9643]

Here's a thought....let's remove all the gov't rules that garner King's salary and benefits, and let his STATE pay his salary and benefit in order for him and family to function in D.C.

How much you want to bet that Mr. King would fast change his philosophy about being a "commodity".

How would that change his mind? How about we take you out, hang you by a rope from the nearest tree and beat you with a stick until you're unconscious. Maybe that will change your attitude about Medicare!

 

[snjmom]

Like this one?

Production theory basics - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Raw Materials are grouped under Land.

Machinery is Capital.

Again, at no point will you find any professional economist classify labor as a commodity.

An idiot politician like King maybe.

Just the ones that subscribe to the labor theory of value of value but they are hardly professionals.

? utility value, exchange value?

 

[Sallow]

I completely agree with everything he said.

The government has no right to force a private business to pay any form a base pay.

It's tyranny and of course, the left supports tyranny over hard work, and earning a bigger check.

This outrage at being called a commodity is fake, and you are all lying when you claim what he said was offensive.

Funny.

Conservatives consider companies..people.

And people commodies.

Gotta love it.

 

[snjmom]

I completely agree with everything he said.

The government has no right to force a private business to pay any form a base pay.

It's tyranny and of course, the left supports tyranny over hard work, and earning a bigger check.

This outrage at being called a commodity is fake, and you are all lying when you claim what he said was offensive.

Funny.

Conservatives consider companies..people.

And people commodies.

Gotta love it.

And as far as I'm aware, you can specify anything you want in a contract as long as it isn't illegal.

If you want the construction crew to wear pink T-shirts and dye their hair blue and they sign the contract, you'll have a pink and blue crew.

 

[Sallow]

I know what a communist is. I don't know what a "corporatist" is.
Is that like iron that grows from the ground ready to be made into steel?

''

Exactly.. you don't know what a Corporatist is.... because the word "Communist" is so much easier for you to grasp.

Iron is a naturally occurring element... Unless you don't believe in the periodic table.

You are ignorant as the day is long... that's why you grasp onto popular jargon like Communist, Socialist, etc... and refuse to acknowledge anything that is a little more sophisticated.

Communism and corporatism is the same...

Tell me what the fucking difference is???

One is not "officially" owned by the government or is part of the government????

These "corporations" may be their own entities however Obama is pulling the strings on; GE, American Electric Power, Dupont, Verizon, Boeing, Wells Fargo, FedEx, Honeywell, IBM, Yahoo!, United Technoloties and ExxonMobil.

Um..no.

Communism is in theory, in which a collective (which is not necessarily a government) owns all means of production and provides the populace goods and services on the basis of need.

Corporatism..is a collusion between government and private industry..where industry is privately owned and government provides conditions favorable to private profit..like slave labor..for example.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Raw Materials are grouped under Land.

Machinery is Capital.

Again, at no point will you find any professional economist classify labor as a commodity.

An idiot politician like King maybe.

Just the ones that subscribe to the labor theory of value of value but they are hardly professionals.

? utility value, exchange value?

Yes.

 

[Sallow]

I bet you claim you aren't a commie, don't you?

and I bet you claim you aren't a corporatist, don't you?

Why would I "admit" to being some term libturds just made-up?

"corporatist" is an attempt to make those who support the free market sound sinister, like "communist" sounds sinister.

Here's some news for you: the term "communist" is sinister because communist have murdered millions of people. People who believe in the free market have never murdered anyone. In fact, they have made any society who adopted their policies fabulously wealthy.

It ain't working.

Well that's completely wrong. Look up "Gun Boat Diplomacy" and "Bannana Republic". Plenty of people have been killed in the name of the "Free Market".

 

[Quantum Windbag]

I completely agree with everything he said.

The government has no right to force a private business to pay any form a base pay.

It's tyranny and of course, the left supports tyranny over hard work, and earning a bigger check.

This outrage at being called a commodity is fake, and you are all lying when you claim what he said was offensive.

Funny.

Conservatives consider companies..people.

And people commodies.

Gotta love it.

Actually, it works like this.

The government wanted to tax corporations over and above their profits like they do regular businesses. In order to justify this they created the legal fiction that corporations are people. This led to all sorts of sticky problems when due process was applied to corporations. If does, however, allow the government to actually tax corporate profits twice, so I doubt that progressives will sit still for reforming the tax code to eliminate corporate taxes and make corporations non people again. Would you actually support that type of tax reform, or do you think corporations should pay higher taxes?

As for people being a commodity, not a single person has tried to defend that position anywhere in this thread. What we have repeatedly pointed out is that labor is a commodity. Only people that think people are slaves would equate a person's labor with a person. Do you actually think people are slaves?

 

[Quantum Windbag]

I completely agree with everything he said.

The government has no right to force a private business to pay any form a base pay.

It's tyranny and of course, the left supports tyranny over hard work, and earning a bigger check.

This outrage at being called a commodity is fake, and you are all lying when you claim what he said was offensive.

Funny.

Conservatives consider companies..people.

And people commodies.

Gotta love it.

And as far as I'm aware, you can specify anything you want in a contract as long as it isn't illegal.

If you want the construction crew to wear pink T-shirts and dye their hair blue and they sign the contract, you'll have a pink and blue crew.

That is not exactly true. You can actually specify something that is illegal in a contract if both parties agree to it, you just cannot enforce that portion of the contract.