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Elitism is alive and well.
JB doesn't care for where we are and the decisions we have made of late. Me neither.
His "remedy" is to disenfranchise the "people" on the supposition that we wouldn't be in this plight of "they" weren't so damn stupid.
Mine is to see what we can do to more fully inform and educate the very same people.
Who determines who has merit in the JB system of "meritocracy?"
Why shouldn't the people who are affected by the actions of government have their say in who represents them and their say in what those officials may and may not do?
Sure our system of government sucks donkey dick.
But it's still the best system ever devised and implemented.
Anyone who thinks otherwise can go fuck a duck.
Elitism is alive and well.
JB doesn't care for where we are and the decisions we have made of late. Me neither.
His "remedy" is to disenfranchise the "people" on the supposition that we wouldn't be in this plight of "they" weren't so damn stupid.
Already been done. The masses haven't really governed themselves for some time. I'm not sure they ever really have. Or could.
Mine is to see what we can do to more fully inform and educate the very same people.
Good luck with that. How do you combat willful ignorance?
Who determines who has merit in the JB system of "meritocracy?"
The system already exists, really. Merit is determined by action and accomplishment. The true leaders of the this nation- those who actively design its constitution and forge its nature, as well as those who act as society's guides without even knowing their own role in the true government of the world, have risen (as a class, if not necessarily as individuals) to these roles through their own abilities. In the end, for all our trappings and fancy clothes, we're not really all that far from the apes. The silverback takes his 'rightful' place because it his his natural place, as determined by the natural order of the world. It is neither right nor wrong. It simply is.
Society has recognized this for thousands of years. Even in the bible, it is recognized, as we are told that the leaders and rulers of the world are their by divine right- chosen by 'God'- and to be obeyed as it is the natural order of things.
Why shouldn't the people who are affected by the actions of government have their say in who represents them and their say in what those officials may and may not do?
It's not a ma[t]ter of 'should' or 'should not', but of 'do' and 'do not', and also of 'can' and 'cannot'. You would the masses truly govern themselves. I would have men flap their arms and fly. I don't see how the laws of nature allow either to occur.
Look in a mirror. You are 'these people'.
Hey, I know what I know and I know what I don't know. I realize the need for experts to run things based on what's actually best and not based on what the idiot masses might think.
I believe in a meritocracy that allows those most able to run things. Modern representative democracy would choose it's leaders based on glorified popularity contests.
There's a reason we don't rely on republicanism when it really matters- like in the military. Insomuch as democracy might still exist in regards to the higher levels of government, perhaps it shouldn't. Just look at our current representatives and those people are talking about replacing them with. They won popularity contests and beauty contests. You'd be hard pressed to argue many of them had a fucking clue how to govern or run a country.
Hell, the FF didn't really come to power based on popularity. They rose to places of import and influence during and following the war based on their natural abilities and their natural place as leaders of men and architects of a nation. By the time elections came around, they had already taken their places and could effectively choose what candidates to let the masses choose from. This, of course, continues today, as the real rulers of this society decide what representatives and policies the masses may choose from- like parents deciding what cereals to ask their children 'which one do you want?'
I no longer really believe that real democracy either does or can exist on any large scale.
Bernay was right...
I don't know if that's true or not, and I don't much care. I still prefer having my say in how I my nation is governed -- and my say in what the rules are going to be -- than to have that shit imposed on me with me getting no voice in it at all.
I never said everyone is. Only the overwhelming majority.Not everybody IS willfully ignorant.
You reject God?Irrelevant. It stands rejected, now.
Look in a mirror. You are 'these people'.
Hey, I know what I know and I know what I don't know. I realize the need for experts to run things based on what's actually best and not based on what the idiot masses might think.
I believe in a meritocracy that allows those most able to run things. Modern representative democracy would choose it's leaders based on glorified popularity contests.
There's a reason we don't rely on republicanism when it really matters- like in the military. Insomuch as democracy might still exist in regards to the higher levels of government, perhaps it shouldn't. Just look at our current representatives and those people are talking about replacing them with. They won popularity contests and beauty contests. You'd be hard pressed to argue many of them had a fucking clue how to govern or run a country.
Hell, the FF didn't really come to power based on popularity. They rose to places of import and influence during and following the war based on their natural abilities and their natural place as leaders of men and architects of a nation. By the time elections came around, they had already taken their places and could effectively choose what candidates to let the masses choose from. This, of course, continues today, as the real rulers of this society decide what representatives and policies the masses may choose from- like parents deciding what cereals to ask their children 'which one do you want?'
I no longer really believe that real democracy either does or can exist on any large scale.
Bernay was right...
Sure our system of government sucks donkey dick.
But it's still the best system ever devised and implemented.
Anyone who thinks otherwise can go fuck a duck.
Anybody who thinks like you is one of the ignorant people he is talking about.
I don't know if that's true or not, and I don't much care. I still prefer having my say in how I my nation is governed -- and my say in what the rules are going to be -- than to have that shit imposed on me with me getting no voice in it at all.
You enjoy being humoured, at least.
I never said everyone is. Only the overwhelming majority.Not everybody IS willfully ignorant.
* * * * [snipped because JB mangled the quote function in his post, and I'm cutting to the chase]
You reject God?
You don't get it, do you? You think it's all a hypothetical? You really think you and the rest of the masses govern yourselves?
Tell me... who decided what candidates you got to choose from last election?
Who writes the rules regarding how you are to choose new representatives or pass new initiatives?
How many members of the cabinet did you vote for?
Irrelevant. That wasn't what you'd said, anyway. But, in case you ARE confused: I reject the silly notion of a divine right to rule.
Sure our system of government sucks donkey dick.
But it's still the best system ever devised and implemented.
Anyone who thinks otherwise can go fuck a duck.
Anybody who thinks like you is one of the ignorant people he is talking about.
Irrelevant. That wasn't what you'd said, anyway. But, in case you ARE confused: I reject the silly notion of a divine right to rule.
Romans 13:1 Everyone must submit himself to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God.