Reason and Experience tell us that there is Evidence for a Creator

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Christianity has not been abandoned. You must have a different definition of abandoned.

Christianity is the opposite of repressive and authoritarian. We are given free will to choose. Repressive and authoritarian is what your religion of militant atheism is all about.

Since you have never done an objective assessment on the value of religion, and since you have already gone on record as saying there is no baby in the bathwater, I'm going to go with you have no objectivity on this subject.

Between 2007 to 2014 Americans who consider themselves Christian decreased by 8%, while those who claim no religious affiliations rose by a whopping 6.7% The biggest percentage of those fleeing religion (36%) are millennials. The reality is that Christianity is becoming old, and dying. Those are just facts - you know that objective reality we were talking about. You deny reality all you like. It doesn't stop being reality. Christianity is being abandoned. First the religion lost all of its political power during the Age of Reason, and now that the leaders of Christianity can no longer force citizens to affiliate themselves with Christianity, people are learning that they don't need Christianity to be happy, moral, and ethical.

Most of my millennial friends on FB follow this page. . .

This is not the sign of true happiness.
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A good percentage of them are on some sort of psychotropic.

Happiness from a pill doesn't count.

In fact, it wouldn't surprise me in the least to find out you yourself are taking Soma.

I'm sure it wouldn't. Suicide is higher among Mormons than any other demographic. Among Catholics, 63% have admitted to substance abuse. Spousal abuse is 4 times more likely among Baptists than any other belief system. Seems atheism isn't really the source of modern unhappiness, and religion doesn't seem to have any secret cure for unhappiness, and violence.

Wow. Thanks.

Post me the link would you, I'd be interested in reading that article.

That information didn't come from "an article". It came from researching suicide, and other statistics, from various sources. You see, that's the problem with you religious folks. No one ever taught you how to research, and think critically, and come to conclusions on your own. Rather it taught you how to read "acceptable" literature, magazines, and websites, and parrot what other people think.

Hopefully one day you will learn to actually think for yourself.

http://ajp.psychiatryonline.org/doi/abs/10.1176/appi.ajp.161.12.2303

RESULTS: Religiously unaffiliated subjects had significantly more lifetime suicide attempts and more first-degree relatives who committed suicide than subjects who endorsed a religious affiliation. Unaffiliated subjects were younger, less often married, less often had children, and had less contact with family members. Furthermore, subjects with no religious affiliation perceived fewer reasons for living, particularly fewer moral objections to suicide. In terms of clinical characteristics, religiously unaffiliated subjects had more lifetime impulsivity, aggression, and past substance use disorder. No differences in the level of subjective and objective depression, hopelessness, or stressful life events were found. CONCLUSIONS: Religious affiliation is associated with less suicidal behavior in depressed inpatients. After other factors were controlled, it was found that greater moral objections to suicide and lower aggression level in religiously affiliated subjects may function as protective factors against suicide attempts. Further study about the influence of religious affiliation on aggressive behavior and how moral objections can reduce the probability of acting on suicidal thoughts may offer new therapeutic strategies in suicide prevention.

 

[MisterBeale]

abandon: to cease from maintaining, practicing, or using.

Yep, I'm not seeing it. I am still seeing way too many churches throughout the land. Maybe it is just wishful thinking of some who are too big of cowards to say out loud what they really want.

I have no such problem. I believe socialism is evil and should be wiped from the face of the planet. See? That's how it's done.

I have to say, I didn't realize how absolutely fooled by government schooling and CFR media this guy Czernobog is. Are you sure you want to waste your time on him? Check out the type of threads he starts. It's like arguing with your TV, the NYT, or the Federal Reserve, it'll get you know where.

He is a subject of the king, a loyal MK-ultra victim.

http://www.usmessageboard.com/search/11035244/

(I actually read in one of his threads where he believes schools are necessary for an education. The pinnacle of brainwashed. I wondered what Lincoln would say? )

 

[Czernobog]

Between 2007 to 2014 Americans who consider themselves Christian decreased by 8%, while those who claim no religious affiliations rose by a whopping 6.7% The biggest percentage of those fleeing religion (36%) are millennials. The reality is that Christianity is becoming old, and dying. Those are just facts - you know that objective reality we were talking about. You deny reality all you like. It doesn't stop being reality. Christianity is being abandoned. First the religion lost all of its political power during the Age of Reason, and now that the leaders of Christianity can no longer force citizens to affiliate themselves with Christianity, people are learning that they don't need Christianity to be happy, moral, and ethical.

Most of my millennial friends on FB follow this page. . .

This is not the sign of true happiness.
Nihilist Memes | Facebook


A good percentage of them are on some sort of psychotropic.

Happiness from a pill doesn't count.

In fact, it wouldn't surprise me in the least to find out you yourself are taking Soma.

I'm sure it wouldn't. Suicide is higher among Mormons than any other demographic. Among Catholics, 63% have admitted to substance abuse. Spousal abuse is 4 times more likely among Baptists than any other belief system. Seems atheism isn't really the source of modern unhappiness, and religion doesn't seem to have any secret cure for unhappiness, and violence.

Wow. Thanks.

Post me the link would you, I'd be interested in reading that article.

That information didn't come from "an article". It came from researching suicide, and other statistics, from various sources. You see, that's the problem with you religious folks. No one ever taught you how to research, and think critically, and come to conclusions on your own. Rather it taught you how to read "acceptable" literature, magazines, and websites, and parrot what other people think.

Hopefully one day you will learn to actually think for yourself.

http://ajp.psychiatryonline.org/doi/abs/10.1176/appi.ajp.161.12.2303

RESULTS: Religiously unaffiliated subjects had significantly more lifetime suicide attempts and more first-degree relatives who committed suicide than subjects who endorsed a religious affiliation. Unaffiliated subjects were younger, less often married, less often had children, and had less contact with family members. Furthermore, subjects with no religious affiliation perceived fewer reasons for living, particularly fewer moral objections to suicide. In terms of clinical characteristics, religiously unaffiliated subjects had more lifetime impulsivity, aggression, and past substance use disorder. No differences in the level of subjective and objective depression, hopelessness, or stressful life events were found. CONCLUSIONS: Religious affiliation is associated with less suicidal behavior in depressed inpatients. After other factors were controlled, it was found that greater moral objections to suicide and lower aggression level in religiously affiliated subjects may function as protective factors against suicide attempts. Further study about the influence of religious affiliation on aggressive behavior and how moral objections can reduce the probability of acting on suicidal thoughts may offer new therapeutic strategies in suicide prevention.

Yeah...your study is about 10 years out of date.

 

[MisterBeale]

Wow. Thanks.

Post me the link would you, I'd be interested in reading that article.

That article didn't come from "an article". It came from researching suicide, and other statistics, from various sources. You see, that's the problem with you religious folks. No one ever taught you how to research, and think critically, and come to conclusions on your own. Rather it taught you how to read "acceptable" literature, magazines, and websites, and parrot what other people think.

Hopefully one day you will learn to actually think for yourself.

Oh no, I know how to research, I also know about the burden of proof.

It is not up to me to prove YOUR claim.

Either put up or shut up.

I am not denying your statistics, but, on the other hand, I find them highly suspect. You need to cite your source, or go away. I find those stats highly suspect.

I didn't say that it was. I was informing you that I can't post a single link that coalesces all of that data into a single, simple article, because no such article exists.

I suspected you were making shit up.

Not making shit up. Just citing various research. This is what I mean about critical thinking. It doesn't rely on "reading an article". It relies on wanting to learn, and taking the time to find answers, even if those answers require time, and effort to find the data.

For instance, here is a study on the suicide rates of youth among Mormons that helped me to put together the data for my claim about Mormons suicides.

As I said, my information didn't come from any single source. It came from extrapolating data from a number of sources.

Lord above are you dumb. That has nothing to do with religion, and everything to do with LGBT. Learn to read.

 

[Czernobog]

That article didn't come from "an article". It came from researching suicide, and other statistics, from various sources. You see, that's the problem with you religious folks. No one ever taught you how to research, and think critically, and come to conclusions on your own. Rather it taught you how to read "acceptable" literature, magazines, and websites, and parrot what other people think.

Hopefully one day you will learn to actually think for yourself.

Oh no, I know how to research, I also know about the burden of proof.

It is not up to me to prove YOUR claim.

Either put up or shut up.

I am not denying your statistics, but, on the other hand, I find them highly suspect. You need to cite your source, or go away. I find those stats highly suspect.

I didn't say that it was. I was informing you that I can't post a single link that coalesces all of that data into a single, simple article, because no such article exists.

I suspected you were making shit up.

Not making shit up. Just citing various research. This is what I mean about critical thinking. It doesn't rely on "reading an article". It relies on wanting to learn, and taking the time to find answers, even if those answers require time, and effort to find the data.

For instance, here is a study on the suicide rates of youth among Mormons that helped me to put together the data for my claim about Mormons suicides.

As I said, my information didn't come from any single source. It came from extrapolating data from a number of sources.

Lord above are you dumb. That has nothing to do with religion, and everything to do with LGBT. Learn to read.

You read that entire study in 5 minutes? I('m impressed. It took me about 2 hours to make my way through the data. I know...you read this: Benjamin Knoll | Mar 9, 2016 | Featured, Homosexuality, LGBTQ | 24 comments and just decided you know what data was in the study, right? Like I said, critical research actually requires a bit of study beyond headlines.

 

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Most of my millennial friends on FB follow this page. . .

This is not the sign of true happiness.
Nihilist Memes | Facebook


A good percentage of them are on some sort of psychotropic.

Happiness from a pill doesn't count.

In fact, it wouldn't surprise me in the least to find out you yourself are taking Soma.

I'm sure it wouldn't. Suicide is higher among Mormons than any other demographic. Among Catholics, 63% have admitted to substance abuse. Spousal abuse is 4 times more likely among Baptists than any other belief system. Seems atheism isn't really the source of modern unhappiness, and religion doesn't seem to have any secret cure for unhappiness, and violence.

Wow. Thanks.

Post me the link would you, I'd be interested in reading that article.

That information didn't come from "an article". It came from researching suicide, and other statistics, from various sources. You see, that's the problem with you religious folks. No one ever taught you how to research, and think critically, and come to conclusions on your own. Rather it taught you how to read "acceptable" literature, magazines, and websites, and parrot what other people think.

Hopefully one day you will learn to actually think for yourself.

http://ajp.psychiatryonline.org/doi/abs/10.1176/appi.ajp.161.12.2303

RESULTS: Religiously unaffiliated subjects had significantly more lifetime suicide attempts and more first-degree relatives who committed suicide than subjects who endorsed a religious affiliation. Unaffiliated subjects were younger, less often married, less often had children, and had less contact with family members. Furthermore, subjects with no religious affiliation perceived fewer reasons for living, particularly fewer moral objections to suicide. In terms of clinical characteristics, religiously unaffiliated subjects had more lifetime impulsivity, aggression, and past substance use disorder. No differences in the level of subjective and objective depression, hopelessness, or stressful life events were found. CONCLUSIONS: Religious affiliation is associated with less suicidal behavior in depressed inpatients. After other factors were controlled, it was found that greater moral objections to suicide and lower aggression level in religiously affiliated subjects may function as protective factors against suicide attempts. Further study about the influence of religious affiliation on aggressive behavior and how moral objections can reduce the probability of acting on suicidal thoughts may offer new therapeutic strategies in suicide prevention.

Yeah...your study is about 10 years out of date.

Like I say on the bottom of every comment I make... They worship science but are the first to argue against it. They are modern American liberals.

In an article also published in this issue of Mayo Clinic Proceedings, Mayo Clinic researchers reviewed published studies, meta-analyses, systematic reviews and subject reviews that examined the association between religious involvement and spirituality and physical health, mental health, health-related quality of life and other health outcomes.

The authors report a majority of the nearly 350 studies of physical health and 850 studies of mental health that have used religious and spiritual variables have found that religious involvement and spirituality are associated with better health outcomes.

http://www.mayoclinicproceedings.com/content/76/12/1225.full.pdf

 

[MisterBeale]

Most of my millennial friends on FB follow this page. . .

This is not the sign of true happiness.
Nihilist Memes | Facebook


A good percentage of them are on some sort of psychotropic.

Happiness from a pill doesn't count.

In fact, it wouldn't surprise me in the least to find out you yourself are taking Soma.

I'm sure it wouldn't. Suicide is higher among Mormons than any other demographic. Among Catholics, 63% have admitted to substance abuse. Spousal abuse is 4 times more likely among Baptists than any other belief system. Seems atheism isn't really the source of modern unhappiness, and religion doesn't seem to have any secret cure for unhappiness, and violence.

Wow. Thanks.

Post me the link would you, I'd be interested in reading that article.

That information didn't come from "an article". It came from researching suicide, and other statistics, from various sources. You see, that's the problem with you religious folks. No one ever taught you how to research, and think critically, and come to conclusions on your own. Rather it taught you how to read "acceptable" literature, magazines, and websites, and parrot what other people think.

Hopefully one day you will learn to actually think for yourself.

http://ajp.psychiatryonline.org/doi/abs/10.1176/appi.ajp.161.12.2303

RESULTS: Religiously unaffiliated subjects had significantly more lifetime suicide attempts and more first-degree relatives who committed suicide than subjects who endorsed a religious affiliation. Unaffiliated subjects were younger, less often married, less often had children, and had less contact with family members. Furthermore, subjects with no religious affiliation perceived fewer reasons for living, particularly fewer moral objections to suicide. In terms of clinical characteristics, religiously unaffiliated subjects had more lifetime impulsivity, aggression, and past substance use disorder. No differences in the level of subjective and objective depression, hopelessness, or stressful life events were found. CONCLUSIONS: Religious affiliation is associated with less suicidal behavior in depressed inpatients. After other factors were controlled, it was found that greater moral objections to suicide and lower aggression level in religiously affiliated subjects may function as protective factors against suicide attempts. Further study about the influence of religious affiliation on aggressive behavior and how moral objections can reduce the probability of acting on suicidal thoughts may offer new therapeutic strategies in suicide prevention.

Yeah...your study is about 10 years out of date.

Tell us why that is important and I'll consider it as a factor why the godless are not as happy as the faithful. Otherwise, GTFO here with that bullshit.

 

[Czernobog]

I'm sure it wouldn't. Suicide is higher among Mormons than any other demographic. Among Catholics, 63% have admitted to substance abuse. Spousal abuse is 4 times more likely among Baptists than any other belief system. Seems atheism isn't really the source of modern unhappiness, and religion doesn't seem to have any secret cure for unhappiness, and violence.

Wow. Thanks.

Post me the link would you, I'd be interested in reading that article.

That information didn't come from "an article". It came from researching suicide, and other statistics, from various sources. You see, that's the problem with you religious folks. No one ever taught you how to research, and think critically, and come to conclusions on your own. Rather it taught you how to read "acceptable" literature, magazines, and websites, and parrot what other people think.

Hopefully one day you will learn to actually think for yourself.

http://ajp.psychiatryonline.org/doi/abs/10.1176/appi.ajp.161.12.2303

RESULTS: Religiously unaffiliated subjects had significantly more lifetime suicide attempts and more first-degree relatives who committed suicide than subjects who endorsed a religious affiliation. Unaffiliated subjects were younger, less often married, less often had children, and had less contact with family members. Furthermore, subjects with no religious affiliation perceived fewer reasons for living, particularly fewer moral objections to suicide. In terms of clinical characteristics, religiously unaffiliated subjects had more lifetime impulsivity, aggression, and past substance use disorder. No differences in the level of subjective and objective depression, hopelessness, or stressful life events were found. CONCLUSIONS: Religious affiliation is associated with less suicidal behavior in depressed inpatients. After other factors were controlled, it was found that greater moral objections to suicide and lower aggression level in religiously affiliated subjects may function as protective factors against suicide attempts. Further study about the influence of religious affiliation on aggressive behavior and how moral objections can reduce the probability of acting on suicidal thoughts may offer new therapeutic strategies in suicide prevention.

Yeah...your study is about 10 years out of date.

Tell us why that is important and I'll consider it as a factor why the godless are not as happy as the faithful. Otherwise, GTFO here with that bullshit.

Because trends change. 10 years is a long time.

 

[ding]

Most of my millennial friends on FB follow this page. . .

This is not the sign of true happiness.
Nihilist Memes | Facebook


A good percentage of them are on some sort of psychotropic.

Happiness from a pill doesn't count.

In fact, it wouldn't surprise me in the least to find out you yourself are taking Soma.

I'm sure it wouldn't. Suicide is higher among Mormons than any other demographic. Among Catholics, 63% have admitted to substance abuse. Spousal abuse is 4 times more likely among Baptists than any other belief system. Seems atheism isn't really the source of modern unhappiness, and religion doesn't seem to have any secret cure for unhappiness, and violence.

Wow. Thanks.

Post me the link would you, I'd be interested in reading that article.

That information didn't come from "an article". It came from researching suicide, and other statistics, from various sources. You see, that's the problem with you religious folks. No one ever taught you how to research, and think critically, and come to conclusions on your own. Rather it taught you how to read "acceptable" literature, magazines, and websites, and parrot what other people think.

Hopefully one day you will learn to actually think for yourself.

http://ajp.psychiatryonline.org/doi/abs/10.1176/appi.ajp.161.12.2303

RESULTS: Religiously unaffiliated subjects had significantly more lifetime suicide attempts and more first-degree relatives who committed suicide than subjects who endorsed a religious affiliation. Unaffiliated subjects were younger, less often married, less often had children, and had less contact with family members. Furthermore, subjects with no religious affiliation perceived fewer reasons for living, particularly fewer moral objections to suicide. In terms of clinical characteristics, religiously unaffiliated subjects had more lifetime impulsivity, aggression, and past substance use disorder. No differences in the level of subjective and objective depression, hopelessness, or stressful life events were found. CONCLUSIONS: Religious affiliation is associated with less suicidal behavior in depressed inpatients. After other factors were controlled, it was found that greater moral objections to suicide and lower aggression level in religiously affiliated subjects may function as protective factors against suicide attempts. Further study about the influence of religious affiliation on aggressive behavior and how moral objections can reduce the probability of acting on suicidal thoughts may offer new therapeutic strategies in suicide prevention.

Yeah...your study is about 10 years out of date.

Do you believe that something has magically happened sense then to alter the suicide and depression rate of atheists? Trends exist for a reason. For the trend to change the reasons the trend existed in the first place would need to change. The reasons are not society based, the reasons are ideology based. The ideology has not changed.

Duke University has established the Center for Spirituality, Theology and Health.[5] The Duke University Center for Spirituality, Theology and Health is based in the Center for Aging at Duke and gives opportunities for scholarly trans-disciplinary conversation and the development of collaborative research projects.[6] In respect to the atheism and mental and physical health, the center offers many studies which suggest that theism is more beneficial than atheism.[7]

1. http://www.dukespiritualityandhealth.org/
2. Jump up↑ http://www.dukespiritualityandhealth.org/about/
3. Jump up↑ http://www.dukespiritualityandhealth.org/publications/latest.html

 

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Wow. Thanks.

Post me the link would you, I'd be interested in reading that article.

That information didn't come from "an article". It came from researching suicide, and other statistics, from various sources. You see, that's the problem with you religious folks. No one ever taught you how to research, and think critically, and come to conclusions on your own. Rather it taught you how to read "acceptable" literature, magazines, and websites, and parrot what other people think.

Hopefully one day you will learn to actually think for yourself.

http://ajp.psychiatryonline.org/doi/abs/10.1176/appi.ajp.161.12.2303

RESULTS: Religiously unaffiliated subjects had significantly more lifetime suicide attempts and more first-degree relatives who committed suicide than subjects who endorsed a religious affiliation. Unaffiliated subjects were younger, less often married, less often had children, and had less contact with family members. Furthermore, subjects with no religious affiliation perceived fewer reasons for living, particularly fewer moral objections to suicide. In terms of clinical characteristics, religiously unaffiliated subjects had more lifetime impulsivity, aggression, and past substance use disorder. No differences in the level of subjective and objective depression, hopelessness, or stressful life events were found. CONCLUSIONS: Religious affiliation is associated with less suicidal behavior in depressed inpatients. After other factors were controlled, it was found that greater moral objections to suicide and lower aggression level in religiously affiliated subjects may function as protective factors against suicide attempts. Further study about the influence of religious affiliation on aggressive behavior and how moral objections can reduce the probability of acting on suicidal thoughts may offer new therapeutic strategies in suicide prevention.

Yeah...your study is about 10 years out of date.

Tell us why that is important and I'll consider it as a factor why the godless are not as happy as the faithful. Otherwise, GTFO here with that bullshit.

Because trends change. 10 years is a long time.

So it shouldn't be that hard for you to show me a study that proves that, right? Especially since you have claimed to study this subject, right?

 

[ding]

Wow. Thanks.

Post me the link would you, I'd be interested in reading that article.

That information didn't come from "an article". It came from researching suicide, and other statistics, from various sources. You see, that's the problem with you religious folks. No one ever taught you how to research, and think critically, and come to conclusions on your own. Rather it taught you how to read "acceptable" literature, magazines, and websites, and parrot what other people think.

Hopefully one day you will learn to actually think for yourself.

http://ajp.psychiatryonline.org/doi/abs/10.1176/appi.ajp.161.12.2303

RESULTS: Religiously unaffiliated subjects had significantly more lifetime suicide attempts and more first-degree relatives who committed suicide than subjects who endorsed a religious affiliation. Unaffiliated subjects were younger, less often married, less often had children, and had less contact with family members. Furthermore, subjects with no religious affiliation perceived fewer reasons for living, particularly fewer moral objections to suicide. In terms of clinical characteristics, religiously unaffiliated subjects had more lifetime impulsivity, aggression, and past substance use disorder. No differences in the level of subjective and objective depression, hopelessness, or stressful life events were found. CONCLUSIONS: Religious affiliation is associated with less suicidal behavior in depressed inpatients. After other factors were controlled, it was found that greater moral objections to suicide and lower aggression level in religiously affiliated subjects may function as protective factors against suicide attempts. Further study about the influence of religious affiliation on aggressive behavior and how moral objections can reduce the probability of acting on suicidal thoughts may offer new therapeutic strategies in suicide prevention.

Yeah...your study is about 10 years out of date.

Tell us why that is important and I'll consider it as a factor why the godless are not as happy as the faithful. Otherwise, GTFO here with that bullshit.

Because trends change. 10 years is a long time.

Atheism and negative emotions/thoughts

To see relevant studies and historical data about the atheist population's highly unusual propensity to display negative emotions such as depression, anger, anxiety and boredom, please see:


Research suggests that irreligiousity is a causal factor for domestic violence.[1]
See: Irreligion and domestic violence and Secular Europe and domestic violence


1. Atheism and depression (Cites relevant studies about atheism increasing depression)

2. Atheism and suicide (Atheists have a higher suicide rate than the general public)

3. Militant atheism and anger (Studies and historical information about atheism and anger)

4. Irreligion and domestic violence and Secular Europe and domestic violence (Research indicates that religiosity lowers one's propensity to engage in domestic violence)

5. Militant atheism (Historical information about atheism/violence/intolerance)

6. Atheism and emotional intelligence (Cites relevant studies about atheists having lower emotional intelligence). See also: Atheism and alcoholism

7. Atheism and social intelligence (Cites relevant studies and historical data showing lower interpersonal skills within the atheist population)

8. Atheism and death anxiety (Cites relevant studies and historical data related to atheism/death anxiety and related matters)

9. Atheism and meaninglessness (Cites relevant information from studies and history)

10. Atheism and irrationality (Cites studies on irreligion/irrationality/superstitious beliefs and other relevant information)

11. Atheism, obesity and loneliness (Cites studies and other relevant data)

 

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1) Religion promotes the virtues of thankfulness, forgiveness, humility, chastity, temperance, charity, diligence, patience and kindness
a) Religion creates wonderful charities and organizations
b) Religious persons and institutions are usually the first source of literacy, education, and healthcare in the poorer regions
c) Religion has been the source of abundant human services from hospitals, orphanages, nursing homes, and schools, to advocacy on behalf of those with no voice, to supporting cultural outreaches, and seeking always to find ways in which to protect and promote human life and its authentic flourishing
d) Religion gave us the concept of subsidiarity
e) Religion has done what no government can ever do, namely teach morality and civility
f) Religion teaches accountability and responsibility
g) Religion teaches that we have a choice in how we behave
h) Religion teaches that actions have consequences
i) Religion inspires a sense of wonder in nature and the universe
j) Religion helps us feel connected to one another and to nature
k) Religion helps us feel less alone in the world
l) Religion serves to ennoble the human spirit
m) Religion serves to bind the community together
n) Religion inspires love, peace and happiness
o) Religion serves to create traditions
p) Religion brings order to our lives
q) Religion brings comfort to the terminally ill
r) Religion can act as a source of hope for the oppressed
s) Religion teaches that we can transform ourselves

 

[MisterBeale]

1) Religion promotes the virtues of thankfulness, forgiveness, humility, chastity, temperance, charity, diligence, patience and kindness
a) Religion creates wonderful charities and organizations
b) Religious persons and institutions are usually the first source of literacy, education, and healthcare in the poorer regions
c) Religion has been the source of abundant human services from hospitals, orphanages, nursing homes, and schools, to advocacy on behalf of those with no voice, to supporting cultural outreaches, and seeking always to find ways in which to protect and promote human life and its authentic flourishing
d) Religion gave us the concept of subsidiarity
e) Religion has done what no government can ever do, namely teach morality and civility
f) Religion teaches accountability and responsibility
g) Religion teaches that we have a choice in how we behave
h) Religion teaches that actions have consequences
i) Religion inspires a sense of wonder in nature and the universe
j) Religion helps us feel connected to one another and to nature
k) Religion helps us feel less alone in the world
l) Religion serves to ennoble the human spirit
m) Religion serves to bind the community together
n) Religion inspires love, peace and happiness
o) Religion serves to create traditions
p) Religion brings order to our lives
q) Religion brings comfort to the terminally ill
r) Religion can act as a source of hope for the oppressed
s) Religion teaches that we can transform ourselves

I'm willing to bet Czernobog is now, or has been on anti-depressents, anti-anxiety drugs or other psychotropics. He fits the profile.

Likewise, I'm willing to bet he is a fan of Nietzsche and nihilism.

He is sitting here attacking the very thing that gives meaning to humanity, all the while, not realizing or admitting the basic core of his problem. Instead, he would lobby the world to join him in his misery and self-destruction.

 

[ding]

1) Religion promotes the virtues of thankfulness, forgiveness, humility, chastity, temperance, charity, diligence, patience and kindness
a) Religion creates wonderful charities and organizations
b) Religious persons and institutions are usually the first source of literacy, education, and healthcare in the poorer regions
c) Religion has been the source of abundant human services from hospitals, orphanages, nursing homes, and schools, to advocacy on behalf of those with no voice, to supporting cultural outreaches, and seeking always to find ways in which to protect and promote human life and its authentic flourishing
d) Religion gave us the concept of subsidiarity
e) Religion has done what no government can ever do, namely teach morality and civility
f) Religion teaches accountability and responsibility
g) Religion teaches that we have a choice in how we behave
h) Religion teaches that actions have consequences
i) Religion inspires a sense of wonder in nature and the universe
j) Religion helps us feel connected to one another and to nature
k) Religion helps us feel less alone in the world
l) Religion serves to ennoble the human spirit
m) Religion serves to bind the community together
n) Religion inspires love, peace and happiness
o) Religion serves to create traditions
p) Religion brings order to our lives
q) Religion brings comfort to the terminally ill
r) Religion can act as a source of hope for the oppressed
s) Religion teaches that we can transform ourselves

I'm willing to bet Czernobog is now, or has been on anti-depressents, anti-anxiety drugs or other psychotropics. He fits the profile.

Likewise, I'm willing to bet he is a fan of Nietzsche and nihilism.

He is sitting here attacking the very thing that gives meaning to humanity, all the while, not realizing or admitting the basic core of his problem. Instead, he would lobby the world to join him in his misery and self-destruction.

Yeah, post #651 sunk his battleship. I feel sorry for he guy. I really do.

 

[MisterBeale]

Oh no, I know how to research, I also know about the burden of proof.

It is not up to me to prove YOUR claim.

Either put up or shut up.

I am not denying your statistics, but, on the other hand, I find them highly suspect. You need to cite your source, or go away. I find those stats highly suspect.

I didn't say that it was. I was informing you that I can't post a single link that coalesces all of that data into a single, simple article, because no such article exists.

I suspected you were making shit up.

Not making shit up. Just citing various research. This is what I mean about critical thinking. It doesn't rely on "reading an article". It relies on wanting to learn, and taking the time to find answers, even if those answers require time, and effort to find the data.

For instance, here is a study on the suicide rates of youth among Mormons that helped me to put together the data for my claim about Mormons suicides.

As I said, my information didn't come from any single source. It came from extrapolating data from a number of sources.

Lord above are you dumb. That has nothing to do with religion, and everything to do with LGBT. Learn to read.

You read that entire study in 5 minutes? I('m impressed. It took me about 2 hours to make my way through the data. I know...you read this: Benjamin Knoll | Mar 9, 2016 | Featured, Homosexuality, LGBTQ | 24 comments and just decided you know what data was in the study, right? Like I said, critical research actually requires a bit of study beyond headlines.

Okay, since you read that study, is there anything in that study that doesn't relate to kids that are LGBT committing suicide? And if there is, is the rate of suicide of Mormon non-LGBT teens any higher than the general population? IF so, quote that part of the study.

My guess, is there is not.


Thus, no need to read the study, clearly from who sponsored and authored the study, we know they have an agenda. Are you really this obtuse? LGBT teens of all sectors of society suffer from higher rates of suicide, this is nothing new. Likewise, I am sure they suffer much higher rates in conservative religious households, no doubt.

Until science figures out a cure, they probably will continue to do so, no matter how much society tries to normalize this illness.

It likely has to do with a combination of pollutants, hormone disruption during pregnancy and EMF and RF pollution of the embryo.

 

[MisterBeale]

Wow. Thanks.

Post me the link would you, I'd be interested in reading that article.

That information didn't come from "an article". It came from researching suicide, and other statistics, from various sources. You see, that's the problem with you religious folks. No one ever taught you how to research, and think critically, and come to conclusions on your own. Rather it taught you how to read "acceptable" literature, magazines, and websites, and parrot what other people think.

Hopefully one day you will learn to actually think for yourself.

http://ajp.psychiatryonline.org/doi/abs/10.1176/appi.ajp.161.12.2303

RESULTS: Religiously unaffiliated subjects had significantly more lifetime suicide attempts and more first-degree relatives who committed suicide than subjects who endorsed a religious affiliation. Unaffiliated subjects were younger, less often married, less often had children, and had less contact with family members. Furthermore, subjects with no religious affiliation perceived fewer reasons for living, particularly fewer moral objections to suicide. In terms of clinical characteristics, religiously unaffiliated subjects had more lifetime impulsivity, aggression, and past substance use disorder. No differences in the level of subjective and objective depression, hopelessness, or stressful life events were found. CONCLUSIONS: Religious affiliation is associated with less suicidal behavior in depressed inpatients. After other factors were controlled, it was found that greater moral objections to suicide and lower aggression level in religiously affiliated subjects may function as protective factors against suicide attempts. Further study about the influence of religious affiliation on aggressive behavior and how moral objections can reduce the probability of acting on suicidal thoughts may offer new therapeutic strategies in suicide prevention.

Yeah...your study is about 10 years out of date.

Tell us why that is important and I'll consider it as a factor why the godless are not as happy as the faithful. Otherwise, GTFO here with that bullshit.

Because trends change. 10 years is a long time.

Not without an operational cause.

If that were the case, surgeon's would stop washing their hands before surgery, b/c, well, trends change.

 

[PK1]

No. I don't need to prove any religion is wrong. You have to prove all religions are wrong. You best get busy.

Huh??
In epistemology, it's the opposite.
If you make a (one) claim, it's up to you to prove it.

I have proven that evidence exists I have not attempted to prove that God exists.

What evidence? You have not proven anything.
The teleological argument is primitive in today's intellectual world of modern philosophy & science.

My argument is so far over your head that is a dot to you.

What "argument"? LOL.
Not only do you not understand what evidence is, but you have no idea what a logical argument is.
If you have an argument based on rational evidence ...
where is it?????

 

[PK1]

1) Religion promotes the virtues of thankfulness, forgiveness, humility, chastity, temperance, charity, diligence, patience and kindness
a) Religion creates wonderful charities and organizations
b) Religious persons and institutions are usually the first source of literacy, education, and healthcare in the poorer regions
c) Religion has been the source of abundant human services from hospitals, orphanages, nursing homes, and schools, to advocacy on behalf of those with no voice, to supporting cultural outreaches, and seeking always to find ways in which to protect and promote human life and its authentic flourishing
d) Religion gave us the concept of subsidiarity
e) Religion has done what no government can ever do, namely teach morality and civility
f) Religion teaches accountability and responsibility
g) Religion teaches that we have a choice in how we behave
h) Religion teaches that actions have consequences
i) Religion inspires a sense of wonder in nature and the universe
j) Religion helps us feel connected to one another and to nature
k) Religion helps us feel less alone in the world
l) Religion serves to ennoble the human spirit
m) Religion serves to bind the community together
n) Religion inspires love, peace and happiness
o) Religion serves to create traditions
p) Religion brings order to our lives
q) Religion brings comfort to the terminally ill
r) Religion can act as a source of hope for the oppressed
s) Religion teaches that we can transform ourselves

t) Religion is STUPID. That's why few PhD scientists are religious.

 

[ding]

No. I don't need to prove any religion is wrong. You have to prove all religions are wrong. You best get busy.

Huh??
In epistemology, it's the opposite.
If you make a (one) claim, it's up to you to prove it.

I have proven that evidence exists I have not attempted to prove that God exists.

What evidence? You have not proven anything.
The teleological argument is primitive in today's intellectual world of modern philosophy & science.

My argument is so far over your head that is a dot to you.

What "argument"? LOL.
Not only do you not understand what evidence is, but you have no idea what a logical argument is.
If you have an argument based on rational evidence ...
where is it?????

Please do tell me what you believe evidence is then, Einstein.

Please tell me how tangible items are not evidence.

 

[ding]

1) Religion promotes the virtues of thankfulness, forgiveness, humility, chastity, temperance, charity, diligence, patience and kindness
a) Religion creates wonderful charities and organizations
b) Religious persons and institutions are usually the first source of literacy, education, and healthcare in the poorer regions
c) Religion has been the source of abundant human services from hospitals, orphanages, nursing homes, and schools, to advocacy on behalf of those with no voice, to supporting cultural outreaches, and seeking always to find ways in which to protect and promote human life and its authentic flourishing
d) Religion gave us the concept of subsidiarity
e) Religion has done what no government can ever do, namely teach morality and civility
f) Religion teaches accountability and responsibility
g) Religion teaches that we have a choice in how we behave
h) Religion teaches that actions have consequences
i) Religion inspires a sense of wonder in nature and the universe
j) Religion helps us feel connected to one another and to nature
k) Religion helps us feel less alone in the world
l) Religion serves to ennoble the human spirit
m) Religion serves to bind the community together
n) Religion inspires love, peace and happiness
o) Religion serves to create traditions
p) Religion brings order to our lives
q) Religion brings comfort to the terminally ill
r) Religion can act as a source of hope for the oppressed
s) Religion teaches that we can transform ourselves

t) Religion is STUPID. That's why few scientists are religious.

lol, that doesn't sound very ignostic to me. Are you sure you are ignostic?