Rasmussen Is a Neo-Con Tool

[MarcATL]

Anything that benefits the Right makes marc shout Neo-Con..

Yet, he still labels all the Right leaning folks on here Neo-Cons without actually knowing who they are or what they believe in.

/Sigh..

IF they support neo-con policies like BushCo, then yes.

Do you denounce the neo-con Bush...yes or no?

 

[Vast LWC]

Republicans 'delay' the recovery??? How are they going to do that? With their magic wand?? Too funny.

Don't worry yourself, your Dems haven't even spent most of the stimulus money yet, they're waiting until closer to election time so they can give a false picture of 'improvement' in the economy.

AllGov - News - 85% of Stimulus Funds Still to be Spent

So we can expect the recovery to start to move much faster? SWEET!

Sounds like the Dems are doing a great job.

And speaking of jobs:

ADP, Challenger shows job cuts easing in December - Jan. 6, 2010

Looking good Dems!

 

[Newby]

Republicans 'delay' the recovery??? How are they going to do that? With their magic wand?? Too funny.

Don't worry yourself, your Dems haven't even spent most of the stimulus money yet, they're waiting until closer to election time so they can give a false picture of 'improvement' in the economy.

AllGov - News - 85% of Stimulus Funds Still to be Spent

So we can expect the recovery to start to move much faster? SWEET!

Sounds like the Dems are doing a great job.

And speaking of jobs:

ADP, Challenger shows job cuts easing in December - Jan. 6, 2010

Looking good Dems!

No, it means that they stole tax payer money to try to paint a pretty picture to keep stealing tax payer money. Why else only spend 15-20% and save it all for an election year? And you still didn't tell us all how the R's are going to 'delay the recovery'? Inquiring minds want to know.


Job cuts easing???? Doesn't take much to make you happy. Insane.

 

[Vast LWC]

Oh, and for all the poll watchers, check out this graph of Ronald Reagan's approval ratings, from Gallup:

As you can see, Reagan had an approval rating in the 40's at this time in his presidency, and the average for his second year was 43%.

His approval ratings didn't pick up until 2 1/2 years after he took office, when the unemployment numbers finally started turning around.

 

[Vast LWC]

No, it means that they stole tax payer money to try to paint a pretty picture to keep stealing tax payer money. Why else only spend 15-20% and save it all for an election year? And you still didn't tell us all how the R's are going to 'delay the recovery'? Inquiring minds want to know.


Job cuts easing???? Doesn't take much to make you happy. Insane.

The economy has been turning around quite nicely, thanks.

Housing is improving, Wall Street has been going up off the charts, the Unemployment numbers have bottomed out and even improved by a small amount.

Manufacturing is up, GDP is up, and so is every other indicator of the economy.

In order to NOT see the economic improvements, you'd need to be wearing a gimp hood and have conservative talk radio blasting in a big pair of headphones 24/7.

Which means that the Dems have helped along the economy with only a portion of the stimulus money. Since it takes time for moneys to reach their alloted goals, the rest of the stimulus money should have a larger effect during this year.

It all sounds good to me.

 

[DiamondDave]

Republicans 'delay' the recovery??? How are they going to do that? With their magic wand?? Too funny.

Don't worry yourself, your Dems haven't even spent most of the stimulus money yet, they're waiting until closer to election time so they can give a false picture of 'improvement' in the economy.

AllGov - News - 85% of Stimulus Funds Still to be Spent

No doubt... it is a tricky ploy by the DEMs... but even if they do this, it will bite them even harder in 2012.. for the government will not grow the economy or make it better in the long run... business must do that... and to keep funding their government expansion, they have to tax all of us and business that much more

1) The Republicans cannot 'delay' the recovery
2) Recovery will happen without government. Always has and always will. It is just to what extent and how much the government hinders the process with excessive taxation...
3) It is funny how any president or party will try and take credit for many economic successes... stating how their policies were responsible.. yet you never see them proclaim the influence of their policies when things go the other way

 

[Vast LWC]

No, it means that they stole tax payer money to try to paint a pretty picture to keep stealing tax payer money. Why else only spend 15-20% and save it all for an election year? And you still didn't tell us all how the R's are going to 'delay the recovery'? Inquiring minds want to know.


Job cuts easing???? Doesn't take much to make you happy. Insane.

And yes, job CUTS are easing. Meaning NEW jobs are outnumbering CUT jobs.

 

[NYcarbineer]

All you have to do is look at the poll questions.. there is nothing misleading... just that usually there are more choices than the simple approve or disapprove...

I am on the Gallup panel and I detest the simple approve or disapprove choices... would like more degrees of approval... would love to have the option to say strongly disapprove for things such as government run or funded healthcare... or somewhat approve for something like a question on cutting the number of earmarks...

funny thing is too that places like Fox also use gallup, Zogby and others.. because to get a better picture, more views and angles are needed

And if Media Matters hates Rasmussen, the guy has to be doing something right

No, you like Rasmussen because it produces right leaning results.

 

[Vast LWC]

No doubt... it is a tricky ploy by the DEMs... but even if they do this, it will bite them even harder in 2012.. for the government will not grow the economy or make it better in the long run... business must do that... and to keep funding their government expansion, they have to tax all of us and business that much more

1) The Republicans cannot 'delay' the recovery
2) Recovery will happen without government. Always has and always will. It is just to what extent and how much the government hinders the process with excessive taxation...
3) It is funny how any president or party will try and take credit for many economic successes... stating how their policies were responsible.. yet you never see them proclaim the influence of their policies when things go the other way

In the end result, targeted tax cuts are the exact same thing as Stimulus spending.

In one scenario, the government gives money to people through giving them breaks on their taxes. In the other they give money to people through giving them the money AFTER taxes.

Since the Republicans have been claiming tax cuts spur the economy for years now, logically you can't deny that stimulus spending does the same thing.

I mean, you can deny it, but it would be illogical to do so.

 

[Newby]

No, it means that they stole tax payer money to try to paint a pretty picture to keep stealing tax payer money. Why else only spend 15-20% and save it all for an election year? And you still didn't tell us all how the R's are going to 'delay the recovery'? Inquiring minds want to know.


Job cuts easing???? Doesn't take much to make you happy. Insane.

The economy has been turning around quite nicely, thanks.

Housing is improving, Wall Street has been going up off the charts, the Unemployment numbers have bottomed out and even improved by a small amount.

Manufacturing is up, GDP is up, and so is every other indicator of the economy.

In order to NOT see the economic improvements, you'd need to be wearing a gimp hood and have conservative talk radio blasting in a big pair of headphones 24/7.

Which means that the Dems have helped along the economy with only a portion of the stimulus money. Since it takes time for moneys to reach their alloted goals, the rest of the stimulus money should have a larger effect during this year.

It all sounds good to me.

So, how are the R's going to stop all of this 'progress' then?

 

[Newby]

No, it means that they stole tax payer money to try to paint a pretty picture to keep stealing tax payer money. Why else only spend 15-20% and save it all for an election year? And you still didn't tell us all how the R's are going to 'delay the recovery'? Inquiring minds want to know.


Job cuts easing???? Doesn't take much to make you happy. Insane.

And yes, job CUTS are easing. Meaning NEW jobs are outnumbering CUT jobs.

They are still cuts and the jobless rate is still ridiculously high.

 

[NYcarbineer]

All you have to do is look at the poll questions.. there is nothing misleading... just that usually there are more choices than the simple approve or disapprove...

I am on the Gallup panel and I detest the simple approve or disapprove choices... would like more degrees of approval... would love to have the option to say strongly disapprove for things such as government run or funded healthcare... or somewhat approve for something like a question on cutting the number of earmarks...

funny thing is too that places like Fox also use gallup, Zogby and others.. because to get a better picture, more views and angles are needed

And if Media Matters hates Rasmussen, the guy has to be doing something right

So I guess this poll is one you like:

http://surveys.ap.org/data\GfK\AP-GfK Poll December Release 1 Topline 121509.pdf

 

[Newby]

No doubt... it is a tricky ploy by the DEMs... but even if they do this, it will bite them even harder in 2012.. for the government will not grow the economy or make it better in the long run... business must do that... and to keep funding their government expansion, they have to tax all of us and business that much more

1) The Republicans cannot 'delay' the recovery
2) Recovery will happen without government. Always has and always will. It is just to what extent and how much the government hinders the process with excessive taxation...
3) It is funny how any president or party will try and take credit for many economic successes... stating how their policies were responsible.. yet you never see them proclaim the influence of their policies when things go the other way

In the end result, targeted tax cuts are the exact same thing as Stimulus spending.

In one scenario, the government gives money to people through giving them breaks on their taxes. In the other they give money to people through giving them the money AFTER taxes.

Since the Republicans have been claiming tax cuts spur the economy for years now, logically you can't deny that stimulus spending does the same thing.

I mean, you can deny it, but it would be illogical to do so.

You leave out the part that they, the government, gets to decide who gets that 'stimulus' money instead of the people that earned it (and would have kept it with a tax cut) keeping it and distributing it in the free market as they saw fit. Where the government is spending it is helping out their D supporters, they're using it to buy support and votes.

I mean, you can deny it, but it would be illogical to do so.

 

[Vast LWC]

You leave out the part that they, the government, gets to decide who gets that 'stimulus' money instead of the people that earned it (and would have kept it with a tax cut) keeping it and distributing it in the free market as they saw fit. Where the government is spending it is helping out their D supporters, they're using it to buy support and votes.

I mean, you can deny it, but it would be illogical to do so.

And Republicans targeted tax cuts helped out their R supporters.

What's your point?

 

[Screaming Eagle]

So does any liberal here have an answer as to why we should poll non-voters? Why do we even bother to poll Americans? Or limit it to just the homeless.

Easy, because a job approval poll is not an election poll.

This is a political topic, a poll about a political issue.

Politics is about how to run the country.

Running the country is done by people who are elected.

People are elected by voters.

Therefore, the opinions which matter are the opinions of the voters, and it is about an election, the 2010 midterms and his 2012 re-election bid.

 

[NYcarbineer]

So does any liberal here have an answer as to why we should poll non-voters? Why do we even bother to poll Americans? Or limit it to just the homeless.

Easy, because a job approval poll is not an election poll.

This is a political topic, a poll about a political issue.

Politics is about how to run the country.

Running the country is done by people who are elected.

People are elected by voters.

Therefore, the opinions which matter are the opinions of the voters, and it is about an election, the 2010 midterms and his 2012 re-election bid.

By your logic then we should only poll the people who voted FOR Obama. The president works for all Americans? Or does he work only for those who elected him?

Let me see if you can answer this:

Why was Rasmussen using likely voters to poll George Bush's approval rating in his second term, when he couldn't run for re-election?

 

[amrchaos]

Designed to skew things in favor of Republicans and all things Neo-Con.

Why can't you neo-cons see/accept that?

FiveThirtyEight: Politics Done Right: Is Rasmussen Reports Biased?
Rasmussen's Polling Stirs Bias Debate -- Politics Daily
How Rasmussen's right-wing bias has made it a laughing stock among major pollsters - LiveDaily Community
National Ledger - Scott Rasmussen Accused of Bias - Rasmussen Reports Polls Scrutiny

Now, what you do need to be aware of is that Rasmussen's opinion is one among many. They might turn out to be right -- but so might all of the other pollsters who have a different opinion about the electorate. If you're running a news organization and you tend to cite Rasmussen's polls disproportionately, it probably means that you are biased -- it does not necessarily mean that Rasmussen is biased.

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But there are other respects in which I'm much less sympathetic to Rasmussen's case. In particular, this has to do with their choices of question wording and subject matter. The Politico question, for instance, points toward an August question in which Rasmussen asked "It’s always better to cut taxes than to increase government spending because taxpayers, not bureaucrats, are the best judges of how to spend their money.” That is not a question designed to elicit the most accurate reflection of public opinion.

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNVcE1UI0OE[/ame]

Notice how Rasmussen uses very vague phrases like "likely voters" which should be read as "voters likely to vote for/favor republicans" and "pretty similar" as in "their numbers are pretty similar to ours" where "pretty similar" is not a defined range and varies substantially.

Notice also how Bill O'Reilly gently spoonfeeds Scottie all the necessary talking points.

Classic!

Rassmussen create polls

Do you not want to get an idea on how people think yoo Dems are doing? It is called Feedback--you do need it to help you govern and figure out if something is wrong.


If you do not believe Rassmussen, try starting up ypu own poling company and figure out if they are telling hte truth or is it "the great GOP SPin Machine at work". Because, buddy, right now the GOP spin machine is in disaster mode trying to keep their conservative base from voting for a third party!! All the attacks thrown at Democrats now are actually the normal ones!!


Listen to right wing radio, and you would roll right out of your seat when you realize the number of problems the GOP is facing. There is no one single conservative group--dispite all of them saying these sames words"We belive in Reagan, We believe in Tax Cuts. We believe in conservative principles"!! Nothing distinguishes them except if they are Republican or not.

 

[Claudette]

Seems I remember during the election that the Rasmussen poll was the darling of the left when they predicting a win for OL'BO. Rasmussen was spot on then.

Now the Rasmussen is saying BO's numbers are dropping. They were using the exact same techniques during the election as they are now. The left now says they are biased. Hmmmm Funny how that works. Also funny what a difference a year makes doncha know???

 

[DiamondDave]

No doubt... it is a tricky ploy by the DEMs... but even if they do this, it will bite them even harder in 2012.. for the government will not grow the economy or make it better in the long run... business must do that... and to keep funding their government expansion, they have to tax all of us and business that much more

1) The Republicans cannot 'delay' the recovery
2) Recovery will happen without government. Always has and always will. It is just to what extent and how much the government hinders the process with excessive taxation...
3) It is funny how any president or party will try and take credit for many economic successes... stating how their policies were responsible.. yet you never see them proclaim the influence of their policies when things go the other way

In the end result, targeted tax cuts are the exact same thing as Stimulus spending.

In one scenario, the government gives money to people through giving them breaks on their taxes. In the other they give money to people through giving them the money AFTER taxes.

Since the Republicans have been claiming tax cuts spur the economy for years now, logically you can't deny that stimulus spending does the same thing.

I mean, you can deny it, but it would be illogical to do so.

The problem is with tax increases and increased government spending toward "stimulus" is less effective, because of increased government red tape and bureaucracy... when the populous has more of their earnings in their own hands to invest and spend, it is better for the economy than when the government makes the spending decisions

Stimulus spending and government expansion only empowers and stimulates the government, not the private economy... it weakens the individual for the benefit of the government

 

[Screaming Eagle]

Easy, because a job approval poll is not an election poll.

This is a political topic, a poll about a political issue.

Politics is about how to run the country.

Running the country is done by people who are elected.

People are elected by voters.

Therefore, the opinions which matter are the opinions of the voters, and it is about an election, the 2010 midterms and his 2012 re-election bid.

By your logic then we should only poll the people who voted FOR Obama. The president works for all Americans? Or does he work only for those who elected him?

He does work for all Americans, but the opinions of non-voters is irrelevant. It would be just as relevant to poll Canadians.

You shouldn't poll only the people who voted for Obama because they are not the only ones who voted, nor the only ones who will vote in 2010 and 2012.

Let me see if you can answer this:

Why was Rasmussen using likely voters to poll George Bush's approval rating in his second term, when he couldn't run for re-election?

For the same reasons I listed above. It is a political issue. Therefore only the opinions of voters matter. It tells you how the voters feel about not just Bush, but by extension, the Republican party. It has nothing to do with Bush's political future, but as the head of the Republican party his popularity has a great deal to do with where the party in general will end up. It was very unsurprising based on Bush's poll numbers to see the 2008 election go to the Democrats in all three houses.