Rand Paul: "Obamacare is a job killing disaster."

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Because of Obamacare minimum wage employees are now locked at 29 hours. Essentially taking away 1/4 of their check.

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Census Report Shows Rise in Full-Time Work, Undercutting Claims by Health Reform Opponents
September 17, 2014

By Paul N. Van de Water

Yesterday’s Census Bureau report shows that the share of workers with full-time, full-year work rose in 2013, while the share with part-time, part-year work fell. This finding further undercuts assertions that health reform is causing a large increase in part-time employment — as proponents of a House measure to change health reform’s rules on covering full-time workers claim.

Health reform requires employers with at least 50 full-time-equivalent workers to offer coverage to full-time employees — defined as those who work at least 30 hours a week — or pay a penalty. Critics claim that employers are shifting some employees to part-time work to avoid offering them health insurance. But the data provide scant evidence of such a shift.

To the contrary, part-time work became less frequent last year. “An estimated 72.7 percent of working men with earnings and 60.5 percent of working women with earnings worked full time, year round in 2013, both percentages higher than the 2012 estimates of 71.1 percent and 59.4 percent respectively,” according to the new Census report. These data are consistent with a recent Urban Institute analysis that found little evidence that health reform has increased part-time work.

The share of involuntary part-timers — workers who’d rather have full-time jobs but can’t find them — tells a similar story. If health reform were distorting hiring practices, as critics assert, we’d expect the share of involuntary part-timers to be growing. Instead, as the chart (based on Labor Department data) shows, it’s down by 1½ percentage points from its post-recession peak. My colleague Jared Bernstein finds that this pattern is typical for this stage of a recovery.

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[Remodeling Maidiac]

Because of Obamacare minimum wage employees are now locked at 29 hours. Essentially taking away 1/4 of their check.

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Census Report Shows Rise in Full-Time Work, Undercutting Claims by Health Reform Opponents
September 17, 2014

By Paul N. Van de Water

Yesterday’s Census Bureau report shows that the share of workers with full-time, full-year work rose in 2013, while the share with part-time, part-year work fell. This finding further undercuts assertions that health reform is causing a large increase in part-time employment — as proponents of a House measure to change health reform’s rules on covering full-time workers claim.

Health reform requires employers with at least 50 full-time-equivalent workers to offer coverage to full-time employees — defined as those who work at least 30 hours a week — or pay a penalty. Critics claim that employers are shifting some employees to part-time work to avoid offering them health insurance. But the data provide scant evidence of such a shift.

To the contrary, part-time work became less frequent last year. “An estimated 72.7 percent of working men with earnings and 60.5 percent of working women with earnings worked full time, year round in 2013, both percentages higher than the 2012 estimates of 71.1 percent and 59.4 percent respectively,” according to the new Census report. These data are consistent with a recent Urban Institute analysis that found little evidence that health reform has increased part-time work.

The share of involuntary part-timers — workers who’d rather have full-time jobs but can’t find them — tells a similar story. If health reform were distorting hiring practices, as critics assert, we’d expect the share of involuntary part-timers to be growing. Instead, as the chart (based on Labor Department data) shows, it’s down by 1½ percentage points from its post-recession peak. My colleague Jared Bernstein finds that this pattern is typical for this stage of a recovery.

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Yeah, I'm sure

Nice wall of text tho

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Barack Obama could be Ronald Reagan and the right would decide they hate Ronnie too. When your party is a complete failure what else is there for you to do but whine.

Hmm, the election last November might be a clue that you're wrong.

Yes, ignore the general elections of 2008 and 2012, look at the lowest turnout since the start of WW2 to look at , lol

obama said he wasn't on the ballot in 2014 but his policies were. obama's policies got the shit kicked out of them.

 

[Dad2three]

Barack Obama could be Ronald Reagan and the right would decide they hate Ronnie too. When your party is a complete failure what else is there for you to do but whine.

Hmm, the election last November might be a clue that you're wrong.

Yes, ignore the general elections of 2008 and 2012, look at the lowest turnout since the start of WW2 to look at , lol

obama said he wasn't on the ballot in 2014 but his policies were. obama's policies got the shit kicked out of them.

You believe everything Obama has said, or just the parts you want?

 

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Because of Obamacare minimum wage employees are now locked at 29 hours. Essentially taking away 1/4 of their check.

Fact

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If you're sure of your fact, you should have no problem debunking this report?

Census Report Shows Rise in Full-Time Work, Undercutting Claims by Health Reform Opponents
September 17, 2014

By Paul N. Van de Water

Yesterday’s Census Bureau report shows that the share of workers with full-time, full-year work rose in 2013, while the share with part-time, part-year work fell. This finding further undercuts assertions that health reform is causing a large increase in part-time employment — as proponents of a House measure to change health reform’s rules on covering full-time workers claim.

Health reform requires employers with at least 50 full-time-equivalent workers to offer coverage to full-time employees — defined as those who work at least 30 hours a week — or pay a penalty. Critics claim that employers are shifting some employees to part-time work to avoid offering them health insurance. But the data provide scant evidence of such a shift.

To the contrary, part-time work became less frequent last year. “An estimated 72.7 percent of working men with earnings and 60.5 percent of working women with earnings worked full time, year round in 2013, both percentages higher than the 2012 estimates of 71.1 percent and 59.4 percent respectively,” according to the new Census report. These data are consistent with a recent Urban Institute analysis that found little evidence that health reform has increased part-time work.

The share of involuntary part-timers — workers who’d rather have full-time jobs but can’t find them — tells a similar story. If health reform were distorting hiring practices, as critics assert, we’d expect the share of involuntary part-timers to be growing. Instead, as the chart (based on Labor Department data) shows, it’s down by 1½ percentage points from its post-recession peak. My colleague Jared Bernstein finds that this pattern is typical for this stage of a recovery.

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Yeah, I'm sure

Nice wall of text tho

Can't debunk it eh?
I'm not surprised, your post is just another fact free example of a rightwinger/Republican knowing what they know, only because they know it.

C'mon, you said:
"Because of Obamacare minimum wage employees are now locked at 29 hours. Essentially taking away 1/4 of their check.

Fact"

Prove your fact/debunk the Census Bureau Report, if your fact is in fact, a fact, it should be easy.
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[CrusaderFrank]

Barack Obama could be Ronald Reagan and the right would decide they hate Ronnie too. When your party is a complete failure what else is there for you to do but whine.

Barack Obama couldn't be Ronald Reagan no matter what

 

[The Rabbi]

Because of Obamacare minimum wage employees are now locked at 29 hours. Essentially taking away 1/4 of their check.

Fact

Are you sure?
If you're sure of your fact, you should have no problem debunking this report?

Census Report Shows Rise in Full-Time Work, Undercutting Claims by Health Reform Opponents
September 17, 2014

By Paul N. Van de Water

Yesterday’s Census Bureau report shows that the share of workers with full-time, full-year work rose in 2013, while the share with part-time, part-year work fell. This finding further undercuts assertions that health reform is causing a large increase in part-time employment — as proponents of a House measure to change health reform’s rules on covering full-time workers claim.

Health reform requires employers with at least 50 full-time-equivalent workers to offer coverage to full-time employees — defined as those who work at least 30 hours a week — or pay a penalty. Critics claim that employers are shifting some employees to part-time work to avoid offering them health insurance. But the data provide scant evidence of such a shift.

To the contrary, part-time work became less frequent last year. “An estimated 72.7 percent of working men with earnings and 60.5 percent of working women with earnings worked full time, year round in 2013, both percentages higher than the 2012 estimates of 71.1 percent and 59.4 percent respectively,” according to the new Census report. These data are consistent with a recent Urban Institute analysis that found little evidence that health reform has increased part-time work.

The share of involuntary part-timers — workers who’d rather have full-time jobs but can’t find them — tells a similar story. If health reform were distorting hiring practices, as critics assert, we’d expect the share of involuntary part-timers to be growing. Instead, as the chart (based on Labor Department data) shows, it’s down by 1½ percentage points from its post-recession peak. My colleague Jared Bernstein finds that this pattern is typical for this stage of a recovery.

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You understand that doesnt refute Grampa's statement, right? Tell me you understand that.

 

[kaz]

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comebackdecade

"...what we “now know” is that American businesses have added more than 10 million jobs since Obamacare was enacted in “early 2010.”

So you believe that we can conclude that Obamacare was the only economic factor and assume we can attribute all jobs created and lost to that? Seriously? Government schools have failed you, badly. Very sad.

 

[The Rabbi]

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comebackdecade

"...what we “now know” is that American businesses have added more than 10 million jobs since Obamacare was enacted in “early 2010.”

So you believe that we can conclude that Obamacare was the only economic factor and assume we can attribute all jobs created and lost to that? Seriously? Government schools have failed you, badly. Very sad.

Well, there was the stimulus too.

 

[Siete]

posted 03 October, 2014

troll much?

 

[kaz]

posted 03 October, 2014

troll much?

Treading on your territory? Gotcha, to not be liberal is to "troll." You just don't want to hear it, do you? It jams up the programming.

Here's something you won't want to hear, your article doesn't establish any cause and effect relationship, it assumes one. You are committing a fallacy of a single cause.

 

[Judicial review]

I have to go poop from all that chocolate milk. I will be back in 20.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Barack Obama could be Ronald Reagan and the right would decide they hate Ronnie too. When your party is a complete failure what else is there for you to do but whine.

Hmm, the election last November might be a clue that you're wrong.

Yes, ignore the general elections of 2008 and 2012, look at the lowest turnout since the start of WW2 to look at , lol

obama said he wasn't on the ballot in 2014 but his policies were. obama's policies got the shit kicked out of them.

You believe everything Obama has said, or just the parts you want?

Democrats lost because of obama
"I am not on the ballot this fall. Michelle’s pretty happy about that. But make no mistake: these policies are on the ballot. Every single one of them," Obama said.

 

[Siete]

The health care law a job killer The evidence falls short PolitiFact

Republicans have used the "job-killing" claim hundreds of times -- so often that they used the phrase in the name of the bill. It implies that job losses will be one of the most significant effects of the law. But they have flimsy evidence to back it up.

The phrase suggests a massive decline in employment, but the data doesn't support that. The Republican evidence is extrapolated from a report that was talking about a reduction in the labor supply rather than the loss of jobs, or based on measures that weren't included in the final health care law. We rate the statement False.

Next.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

The health care law a job killer The evidence falls short PolitiFact

Republicans have used the "job-killing" claim hundreds of times -- so often that they used the phrase in the name of the bill. It implies that job losses will be one of the most significant effects of the law. But they have flimsy evidence to back it up.

The phrase suggests a massive decline in employment, but the data doesn't support that. The Republican evidence is extrapolated from a report that was talking about a reduction in the labor supply rather than the loss of jobs, or based on measures that weren't included in the final health care law. We rate the statement False.

Next.

Let's go with a source that is none American and cannot be dictated to and threaten by the white house
US employers slashing worker hours to avoid Obamacare insurance mandate US news The Guardian

 

[Siete]

The health care law a job killer The evidence falls short PolitiFact

Republicans have used the "job-killing" claim hundreds of times -- so often that they used the phrase in the name of the bill. It implies that job losses will be one of the most significant effects of the law. But they have flimsy evidence to back it up.

The phrase suggests a massive decline in employment, but the data doesn't support that. The Republican evidence is extrapolated from a report that was talking about a reduction in the labor supply rather than the loss of jobs, or based on measures that weren't included in the final health care law. We rate the statement False.

Next.

Let's go with a source that is none American and cannot be dictated to and threaten by the white house
US employers slashing worker hours to avoid Obamacare insurance mandate US news The Guardian

fine , you go with the Limey's ... sounds about right.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

The health care law a job killer The evidence falls short PolitiFact

Republicans have used the "job-killing" claim hundreds of times -- so often that they used the phrase in the name of the bill. It implies that job losses will be one of the most significant effects of the law. But they have flimsy evidence to back it up.

The phrase suggests a massive decline in employment, but the data doesn't support that. The Republican evidence is extrapolated from a report that was talking about a reduction in the labor supply rather than the loss of jobs, or based on measures that weren't included in the final health care law. We rate the statement False.

Next.

Let's go with a source that is none American and cannot be dictated to and threaten by the white house
US employers slashing worker hours to avoid Obamacare insurance mandate US news The Guardian

fine , you go with the Limey's ... sounds about right.

They have nothing to lose the American media better toe the obama line.

 

[Siete]

The health care law a job killer The evidence falls short PolitiFact

Republicans have used the "job-killing" claim hundreds of times -- so often that they used the phrase in the name of the bill. It implies that job losses will be one of the most significant effects of the law. But they have flimsy evidence to back it up.

The phrase suggests a massive decline in employment, but the data doesn't support that. The Republican evidence is extrapolated from a report that was talking about a reduction in the labor supply rather than the loss of jobs, or based on measures that weren't included in the final health care law. We rate the statement False.

Next.

Let's go with a source that is none American and cannot be dictated to and threaten by the white house
US employers slashing worker hours to avoid Obamacare insurance mandate US news The Guardian

fine , you go with the Limey's ... sounds about right.

They have nothing to lose the American media better toe the obama line.

anything you say, regardless how you say it ...lol

 

[Star]

posted 03 October, 2014

troll much?

Treading on your territory? Gotcha, to not be liberal is to "troll." You just don't want to hear it, do you? It jams up the programming.

Here's something you won't want to hear, your article doesn't establish any cause and effect relationship, it assumes one. You are committing a fallacy of a single cause.

And yet-----and yet the fact remains, more jobs were created after Obamacare was passed and-----and rightwingers/Republicans claimed Obamacare was a job killer but now-----but now even you a rightwinger/Republican is forced to confess that Obamacare was/is not the job killer you/they claimed.

Wake-up, slap yourself in the face, your rightwing/Republican leaders together with the corporate rightwing controlled media duped you into believing Obamacare was a job killer but the fact is-----the FACT is, more jobs were created after Obamacare was passed than were created during the last three (3) rightwing/Republican presidential terms combined - do you disagree?

Your post is like a fart in the wind, it felt good to pass rightwing/Republican gas but-----but... SMH

And BTW, according to the Census Bureau Report, posted earlier on this thread, hours were not cut as a result of Obamacare - IOW's, not only were more jobs created after Obamacare passed but-----but more fulltime jobs were created after Obamacare was passed.
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[kaz]

[And yet-----and yet the fact remains, more jobs were created after Obamacare was passed and-----and rightwingers/Republicans claimed Obamacare was a job killer but now-----but now even you a rightwinger/Republican is forced to confess that Obamacare was/is not the job killer you/they claimed.

Wake-up, slap yourself in the face, your rightwing/Republican leaders together with the corporate rightwing controlled media duped you into believing Obamacare was a job killer but the fact is-----the FACT is, more jobs were created after Obamacare was passed than were created during the last three (3) rightwing/Republican presidential terms combined - do you disagree?

Your post is like a fart in the wind, it felt good to pass rightwing/Republican gas but-----but... SMH

And BTW, according to the Census Bureau Report, posted earlier on this thread, hours were not cut as a result of Obamacare - IOW's, not only were more jobs created after Obamacare passed but-----but more fulltime jobs were created after Obamacare was passed.
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Republicans are libertarian? WTF? No dearie, they certainly are not.

Liberals take to logic like salamanders take to an iPad. It's sad what a government education does to a mind. It's not your fault, at least it's not all your fault. But don't you want your children to not be subject to the crappy education you got?

You cannot take stats, like jobs created, then take one factor and assume that one factor is responsible for the entire statistic. Do you feel me?