Radical Islam, Fundie Christianity & Free Speech

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Should the free speech rights of religious groups ever be curtailed?

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    In today's NYT, there is an article about an Islamic group on England.
    The group wants to march through a town that is on the route caskets of returning military take from a military air base.
     
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    Is the speech and actions of the Fundie Islamists any different than that of the Fundie Christians, and if so, in what ways?

    Would you suppport banning or curtailing the speech and actions of one group and not the other, or would you be against doing so to either, or would you be for taking action against both?

    What principles are involved, and what do we as a society value?
     
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    I think about how and in what way I would support banning the free speech rights of groups that intentionally advocate the death of those who believe differntly. Specifically, christian groups who advocate killing abortion providers, and islamic groups who support or advocate support for jihad against the west.
     
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    maybe you need to be clearer? who are fundie christians? fred phelps?

    otherwise, what is there to compare?
     
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    I voted yes. As a non profit if they engage in politics from the pulpit they should lose their tax exempt status. Of course that is not curtailing free speech just not making the rest of us subsidize it.

    and of course if they are talking trason and inciting rebellion, etc they should be treated as any other speaker.
     
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    if they don't make a profit, they are nonprofit.... what money is made is put back in to the cause....there are no profits....and if there are no profits as with any business, there are no taxes to pay.

    there is no law specifically for churches, that would have been unconstitutional....there are laws for nonprofit entities, of which they are a part of....is my understanding???
     
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    IF it is their ''right'' to free speech, then absolutely not.
     
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    Phelps. Terry from Operation Rescue, and others....People who say they have no qualms about murdering abortion doctors, and people who agree that killing a doctor or provider of legal abortions is a good thing.
     
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    very interesting. but what about speech rights? would you support banning certain speech? specifically the speech of religious groups.

    I am not talking about individuals. I think there is a process to go after the life threatening hate speech of individuals in the civil courts. I don't know why more people do not go after those who advocate murder or harm.
     
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    non profits can have profit arms. non profits skirt the tax laws all the time. right, left, religious,..all groups need to hold to their mission statements and file reports. many do so in ways that skirt the laws. I used to investigate non profit's filings as a hobby.
     

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