Racism in Education - could have been in either forum...

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Ignore much of what you read in the linked article for a moment and simply focus on the test scores. Blacks, tested at the 8th grade level, score abysmally, regardless of how much money is spent. Is it the school's fault? The teachers' unions? The mayors? None of the foregoing.

Given the well-documented difference in IQ between African Americans and the General Population, and given the easily observable cultural phenomenon that Blacks do not generally value formal education has highly as the General Population, one would only expect about a third of Blacks to score up to the arithmetic mean on any test of academic performance, no matter when it is administered (i.e., what grade level). They are a little worse than that, but within reasonable expectations. The questions to be answered are, (1) how can education be structured to obtain the best possible results for African American students, and (2) at what levels can we deem that "success" has occurred?

American educators rail about the "achievement gap," as though, if everything in a given school system were done properly there would be no measurable difference between Black scores and the scores for everyone else. This is preposterous. It will never happen without "cooking the books." But don't exclude that possibility where Leftists are concerned. Witness the recent movements to eliminate the SAT and ACT tests for college admissions. Why do "they" want to do that? Certainly, these tests have been refined for GENERATIONS and indicate exactly what the creators intend it to create - a student's aptitude and potential for higher learning. Leftists want to discount the ACT and SAT because they know, deep down, that those tests will ALWAYS show deficiencies in their pet ethnic groups, so it is better to cover your eyes than to actually face the facts.

The pedagogical solution - the best results - will come from gathering groups of students by IQ, regardless of gender, race, ethnicity, or any other factor. When grouped by IQ, each grouping will be able to learn at their own speed and to their own extent. In this way, those Blacks with the greatest potential will thrive, rather than be grouped with their racial peers who mock and deride them for their success in academics. Those with the least academic potential can be educated in a different direction; we all have intrinsic worth and can contribute regardless.

I have spoken.
 
It should be called the genetic gap. why do you think popular culture pushes miscegeny so heavily. If you can't teach them up, perhaps you can breed them up.
 
It should be called the genetic gap. why do you think popular culture pushes miscegeny [sic] so heavily. If you can't teach them up, perhaps you can breed them up.
Are you still afraid of TV commercials?
 

Ignore much of what you read in the linked article for a moment and simply focus on the test scores. Blacks, tested at the 8th grade level, score abysmally, regardless of how much money is spent. Is it the school's fault? The teachers' unions? The mayors? None of the foregoing.

Given the well-documented difference in IQ between African Americans and the General Population, and given the easily observable cultural phenomenon that Blacks do not generally value formal education has highly as the General Population, one would only expect about a third of Blacks to score up to the arithmetic mean on any test of academic performance, no matter when it is administered (i.e., what grade level). They are a little worse than that, but within reasonable expectations. The questions to be answered are, (1) how can education be structured to obtain the best possible results for African American students, and (2) at what levels can we deem that "success" has occurred?

American educators rail about the "achievement gap," as though, if everything in a given school system were done properly there would be no measurable difference between Black scores and the scores for everyone else. This is preposterous. It will never happen without "cooking the books." But don't exclude that possibility where Leftists are concerned. Witness the recent movements to eliminate the SAT and ACT tests for college admissions. Why do "they" want to do that? Certainly, these tests have been refined for GENERATIONS and indicate exactly what the creators intend it to create - a student's aptitude and potential for higher learning. Leftists want to discount the ACT and SAT because they know, deep down, that those tests will ALWAYS show deficiencies in their pet ethnic groups, so it is better to cover your eyes than to actually face the facts.

The pedagogical solution - the best results - will come from gathering groups of students by IQ, regardless of gender, race, ethnicity, or any other factor. When grouped by IQ, each grouping will be able to learn at their own speed and to their own extent. In this way, those Blacks with the greatest potential will thrive, rather than be grouped with their racial peers who mock and deride them for their success in academics. Those with the least academic potential can be educated in a different direction; we all have intrinsic worth and can contribute regardless.

I have spoken.

It is sad that so much effort is being made to criticize testing and curriculum in order to promote under-achievers.

Student performance is a better indicator of a student's ability than IQ and advanced classes should be made available to all students based on merit. There should also be a choice made by the student after completing the 8th grade to either continue academic studies or follow a vocational curriculum and apprenticeship. You'll still have some that will drop out but most will benefit from a better education.

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.....There should also be a choice made by the student after completing the 8th grade to either continue academic studies or follow a vocational curriculum ....

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There IS.
 
There IS.

It isn't known or very widespread. In countries like Germany kids can opt to go to a vocational school, whereas in the US vocational courses are offered as electives in U.S. High Schools which is a very different and less immersive approach.

"While all high schools are required to provide students with general education courses, only a handful of schools provide students with vocational alternatives."


Do you have any info on vocational schools that are treated as a secondary education alternative for young students (not adults)??

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It isn't known or very widespread. In countries like Germany kids can opt to go to a vocational school, whereas in the US vocational courses are offered as electives in U.S. High Schools which is a very different and less immersive approach.
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NO, there are many, many vocational high schools in the US today. They are known and widespread.
 
NO, there are many, many vocational high schools in the US today. They are known and widespread.

Your list is for adult vocational programs. What I am saying is that a 13 or 14 year old student who is not interested in continuing academic studies should be able to follow a vocational path. In countries like Germany these are separate institutions designed to teach 14 to 18 year old students a trade.

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Your list is for adult vocational programs. .....

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You have to actually look at the items on the list. EVERY state has many vocational technical HIGH SCHOOLS. More are being built all the time, as a matter of fact.

Here are some of the best in the state with the best public schools in the nation:
 
You have to actually look at the items on the list. EVERY state has many vocational technical HIGH SCHOOLS. More are being built all the time, as a matter of fact.

Here are some of the best in the state with the best public schools in the nation:

I opened quite a few of the links but those that I looked at were either after school programs for younger students or adult training centers.

There are also quite a few high schools offering CTE courses in conjunction with Perkins grants but very, very few specialized vocational high schools. Again my interest is on high schools offering predominantly a vocational education, like a RVTS (regional vocational and technical schools):

"Unlike the Career Academies described above, RVTS are entire schools devoted to career-oriented instruction. Students spend one week in the classroom followed by one week in a technical shop. While students in other schools have access to CTE courses, RVTS offer more variety in terms of the program of study, and the programs themselves are typically higher quality than those found in comprehensive high schools."

What We Know About Career and Technical Education in High School - Education Next

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It isn't known or very widespread. In countries like Germany kids can opt to go to a vocational school, whereas in the US vocational courses are offered as electives in U.S. High Schools which is a very different and less immersive approach.

"While all high schools are required to provide students with general education courses, only a handful of schools provide students with vocational alternatives."


Do you have any info on vocational schools that are treated as a secondary education alternative for young students (not adults)??

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In my state of Kentucky, students are bussed to centrally located vocational education centers that are collocated with a high school. Students from several counties can opt for the vocational courses. at that center. They usually attend either mornings or afternoons at these school while taking the core academic courses at their own high schools the other half of the day. The training is not "less immersive"
 
In my state of Kentucky, students are bussed to centrally located vocational education centers that are collocated with a high school. Students from several counties can opt for the vocational courses. at that center. They usually attend either mornings or afternoons at these school while taking the core academic courses at their own high schools the other half of the day. The training is not "less immersive"

Students having the option to take vocational classes is not what I would call "immersive".

Germany, Finland and other European countries tend provide a more vocationally focused approach for High School students wanting to acquire professional skills. Germany for instance has mobilized industry to provide apprenticeships and the vocational curriculum is designed in cooperation with the business community.

Finland has gone even further. Students are required to complete the first 9 years of general studies. Starting in the 10th grade (about 16 years of age) students can opt for what is called an "upper secondary vocational qualification".

Vocational schools in Finland prepare an individual curriculum for each student after review of the student's needs. The programs focus on vocational studies and incorporate work-based learning and apprenticeships. The primary focus of each program is to provide students with the competence necessary to work in their chosen field.

To complete an upper secondary vocational qualification students need to complete 180 competence points (one year of study is typically 60 competence points). Academic subjects are inserted into the "common units" but are a minority of each program's composition. Here is a breakdown of an upper secondary vocational qualification:

180 Competence points.

"The scope of common units in vocational upper secondary qualifications is 35 competence points out of 180."

"Vocational units

  • Basic and field specific study unit(s) (compulsory)
  • Specialised study units (partly optional)
  • Other optional units (decided by VET provider)
  • Work-based learning is included"
"Common units
  • Communication and interaction competence
  • Mathematics and science competence
  • Citizenship and working life competence"
It is a program of study for High School students which is focused on vocational education and what I would call much more immersive.


Sorry but the details are in a pdf - I couldn't find an html version.
 

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