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1. What, exactly, is "Climate Change?"
2. What quantifiable evidence of it exists?
3. How is it related to increased CO2 in the atmosphere?
Please feel free to expound...
So Climate Change is just another word for Global Warming? If so, is there clear and quantifiable evidence that the Earth as a whole is warming?
The first order of business is defining what it is you mean by "Climate Change".1. What, exactly, is "Climate Change?"
2. What quantifiable evidence of it exists?
3. How is it related to increased CO2 in the atmosphere?
Please feel free to expound...
And this is why you are easily duped.So Climate Change is just another word for Global Warming? If so, is there clear and quantifiable evidence that the Earth as a whole is warming?
The two terms probably have different technical definitions but I consider them the same, as would be considered by the broad public. As far as temp change, I think there are a number of sources, and as you can see, the change is pretty small. A lot of arguments are made that the data is invalid. I accept that it is valid.
Climate Change: Global Temperature | NOAA Climate.gov
And this is why you are easily duped.So Climate Change is just another word for Global Warming? If so, is there clear and quantifiable evidence that the Earth as a whole is warming?
The two terms probably have different technical definitions but I consider them the same, as would be considered by the broad public. As far as temp change, I think there are a number of sources, and as you can see, the change is pretty small. A lot of arguments are made that the data is invalid. I accept that it is valid.
Climate Change: Global Temperature | NOAA Climate.gov
They are very different and they have different causes and effects.
After 7 years of asking for the evidence that is EMPIRICALLY OBSERVED (not a modle as these are constructs not evidence), Verified, Quantified, and the mechanism identified by scientific rule out, not one of our alarmist friends is forthcoming.2. What quantifiable evidence of it exists?
3. How is it related to increased CO2 in the atmosphere?
Climate Change- natural: is caused by solar changes, axial tilt of the earth, magnetism changes of earths core, distance of the earth to the sun, among many others. These are naturally occurring and something man can not affect. It is the reason we have cyclical ice ages lasting 90,000 years and a warm period of 9,000 to 14,000 years before re-glaciation.And this is why you are easily duped.So Climate Change is just another word for Global Warming? If so, is there clear and quantifiable evidence that the Earth as a whole is warming?
The two terms probably have different technical definitions but I consider them the same, as would be considered by the broad public. As far as temp change, I think there are a number of sources, and as you can see, the change is pretty small. A lot of arguments are made that the data is invalid. I accept that it is valid.
Climate Change: Global Temperature | NOAA Climate.gov
They are very different and they have different causes and effects.
What are the differences in cause and effect? I am well aware of the difference between weather and climate. What are you referring to?
1. What, exactly, is "Climate Change?"
2. What quantifiable evidence of it exists?
3. How is it related to increased CO2 in the atmosphere?
Please feel free to expound...
Climate Change- natural: is caused by solar changes, axial tilt of the earth, magnetism changes of earths core, distance of the earth to the sun, among many others. These are naturally occurring and something man can not affect. It is the reason we have cyclical ice ages lasting 90,000 years and a warm period of 9,000 to 14,000 years before re-glaciation.And this is why you are easily duped.So Climate Change is just another word for Global Warming? If so, is there clear and quantifiable evidence that the Earth as a whole is warming?
The two terms probably have different technical definitions but I consider them the same, as would be considered by the broad public. As far as temp change, I think there are a number of sources, and as you can see, the change is pretty small. A lot of arguments are made that the data is invalid. I accept that it is valid.
Climate Change: Global Temperature | NOAA Climate.gov
They are very different and they have different causes and effects.
What are the differences in cause and effect? I am well aware of the difference between weather and climate. What are you referring to?
As you can see the earth has a massive number of factors that change its climate. As we are always vasolating between the two opposite stages the earth shifts in climate are always changing.
Anthroprogenic causes-man induced; can only affect the atmosphere in some manner. Thus its affects are short lived and the earth corrects the imbalance in a very quick manner. CO2 has a half life of just 3-9 years so it is removed from our atmosphere in short order. Our land use can change some areas of local climate but can not affect the whole for very long. Man can not create a runaway earth because it can self correct in a very short time span.
As I posted above our impact is at or near zero today. Much less than the IPCC has bantered about.Climate Change- natural: is caused by solar changes, axial tilt of the earth, magnetism changes of earths core, distance of the earth to the sun, among many others. These are naturally occurring and something man can not affect. It is the reason we have cyclical ice ages lasting 90,000 years and a warm period of 9,000 to 14,000 years before re-glaciation.And this is why you are easily duped.So Climate Change is just another word for Global Warming? If so, is there clear and quantifiable evidence that the Earth as a whole is warming?
The two terms probably have different technical definitions but I consider them the same, as would be considered by the broad public. As far as temp change, I think there are a number of sources, and as you can see, the change is pretty small. A lot of arguments are made that the data is invalid. I accept that it is valid.
Climate Change: Global Temperature | NOAA Climate.gov
They are very different and they have different causes and effects.
What are the differences in cause and effect? I am well aware of the difference between weather and climate. What are you referring to?
As you can see the earth has a massive number of factors that change its climate. As we are always vasolating between the two opposite stages the earth shifts in climate are always changing.
Anthroprogenic causes-man induced; can only affect the atmosphere in some manner. Thus its affects are short lived and the earth corrects the imbalance in a very quick manner. CO2 has a half life of just 3-9 years so it is removed from our atmosphere in short order. Our land use can change some areas of local climate but can not affect the whole for very long. Man can not create a runaway earth because it can self correct in a very short time span.
As you would note from my opening comment
I am a believer in the theory that we humans contribute to warming but I also think there are natural processes happening also.
I am aware of natural causes like the Milankovitch cycles, that we are in an interglacial period, and that there are numerous complicating issues like the role of water vapor. My only comment is that I think we humans have an impact - that there is an anthropogenic component. I have no data or evidence that supports reaching any sort of conclusion as to how much of a factor we humans are. And for my personal usage, I prefer to combine both effects, human and natural, under a single term - either global warming or climate change.
As I posted above our impact is at or near zero today. Much less than the IPCC has bantered about.Climate Change- natural: is caused by solar changes, axial tilt of the earth, magnetism changes of earths core, distance of the earth to the sun, among many others. These are naturally occurring and something man can not affect. It is the reason we have cyclical ice ages lasting 90,000 years and a warm period of 9,000 to 14,000 years before re-glaciation.And this is why you are easily duped.The two terms probably have different technical definitions but I consider them the same, as would be considered by the broad public. As far as temp change, I think there are a number of sources, and as you can see, the change is pretty small. A lot of arguments are made that the data is invalid. I accept that it is valid.
Climate Change: Global Temperature | NOAA Climate.gov
They are very different and they have different causes and effects.
What are the differences in cause and effect? I am well aware of the difference between weather and climate. What are you referring to?
As you can see the earth has a massive number of factors that change its climate. As we are always vasolating between the two opposite stages the earth shifts in climate are always changing.
Anthroprogenic causes-man induced; can only affect the atmosphere in some manner. Thus its affects are short lived and the earth corrects the imbalance in a very quick manner. CO2 has a half life of just 3-9 years so it is removed from our atmosphere in short order. Our land use can change some areas of local climate but can not affect the whole for very long. Man can not create a runaway earth because it can self correct in a very short time span.
As you would note from my opening comment
I am a believer in the theory that we humans contribute to warming but I also think there are natural processes happening also.
I am aware of natural causes like the Milankovitch cycles, that we are in an interglacial period, and that there are numerous complicating issues like the role of water vapor. My only comment is that I think we humans have an impact - that there is an anthropogenic component. I have no data or evidence that supports reaching any sort of conclusion as to how much of a factor we humans are. And for my personal usage, I prefer to combine both effects, human and natural, under a single term - either global warming or climate change.
The IPCC states that all warming prior to 1950 is considered natural variation or not man caused and that warming post 1950 is all man caused. I still don't know how they pulled off stopping natural cycles.
Below are those two rates of warming. There is no statistical difference between the two. If we consider natural variation, CO2's influence is zero.
The two rates of warming are almost indistinguishable from one another. Their total difference is less than 0.03 deg C
I then ask alarmists to show me, by empirical evidence, the following;
1. How you stopped natural variation. According to the IPCC, the 1900-1950 rate of warming is natural and therefore the base rate of natural variation for our current time period given total solar output.
2. How you concluded that all of the warming post 1950 is man made.
3. What the result of a120ppm rise since 1890 has done, how you ruled out naturally occurring out-gasing of the oceans, due to warming, and how you ruled out solar spectral shift.
I never get a legitimate answer. lots of cut and paste garbage but little more.
I just gave you empirical evidence showing what I found. Please provide the evidence your basing your assumption on.As I posted above our impact is at or near zero today. Much less than the IPCC has bantered about.Climate Change- natural: is caused by solar changes, axial tilt of the earth, magnetism changes of earths core, distance of the earth to the sun, among many others. These are naturally occurring and something man can not affect. It is the reason we have cyclical ice ages lasting 90,000 years and a warm period of 9,000 to 14,000 years before re-glaciation.And this is why you are easily duped.
They are very different and they have different causes and effects.
What are the differences in cause and effect? I am well aware of the difference between weather and climate. What are you referring to?
As you can see the earth has a massive number of factors that change its climate. As we are always vasolating between the two opposite stages the earth shifts in climate are always changing.
Anthroprogenic causes-man induced; can only affect the atmosphere in some manner. Thus its affects are short lived and the earth corrects the imbalance in a very quick manner. CO2 has a half life of just 3-9 years so it is removed from our atmosphere in short order. Our land use can change some areas of local climate but can not affect the whole for very long. Man can not create a runaway earth because it can self correct in a very short time span.
As you would note from my opening comment
I am a believer in the theory that we humans contribute to warming but I also think there are natural processes happening also.
I am aware of natural causes like the Milankovitch cycles, that we are in an interglacial period, and that there are numerous complicating issues like the role of water vapor. My only comment is that I think we humans have an impact - that there is an anthropogenic component. I have no data or evidence that supports reaching any sort of conclusion as to how much of a factor we humans are. And for my personal usage, I prefer to combine both effects, human and natural, under a single term - either global warming or climate change.
I'm not as sure as you are. See ya later
It was my intention to show the exaggeration. That is why I stated it was "at or near zero" in our current cycle. We have identified CO2's potential contribution is just about its LOG value.The IPCC states that all warming prior to 1950 is considered natural variation or not man caused and that warming post 1950 is all man caused. I still don't know how they pulled off stopping natural cycles.
Below are those two rates of warming. There is no statistical difference between the two. If we consider natural variation, CO2's influence is zero.
The two rates of warming are almost indistinguishable from one another. Their total difference is less than 0.03 deg C
I then ask alarmists to show me, by empirical evidence, the following;
1. How you stopped natural variation. According to the IPCC, the 1900-1950 rate of warming is natural and therefore the base rate of natural variation for our current time period given total solar output.
2. How you concluded that all of the warming post 1950 is man made.
3. What the result of a120ppm rise since 1890 has done, how you ruled out naturally occurring out-gasing of the oceans, due to warming, and how you ruled out solar spectral shift.
I never get a legitimate answer. lots of cut and paste garbage but little more.
CO2 "influence" is not Zero.. You need to be more careful... CO2 is RELATED to surface temp.. It is both a forcing and a Feedback effect. It's just been given "superpowers" by academics that believe the Earth's climate is so entirely fragile that a mere 2degC would irreversibly and permanently render the planet uninhabitable..