Question for Mr. Jones Only

[PhysicsExist]

BuildingWhat? - Building 7 |Please stand with the 9-11 families in calling for a NEW Building 7 investigation - NIST Collapse Model

 

[DiveCon]

Edited.
so, your sole purpose here is to SPAM?

 

[Mr. Jones]

Popular Mechanics assembled the best minds in the world who agreed 9/11 was a terrorist attack.
9/11 Conspiracy Theories - Debunking the Myths - World Trade Center - Pentagon - Flight 93 - Popular Mechanics

Take your schizophrenia meds. You're severely disturbed.

PM, is a yellow journalism rag and government propaganda peddling piece of trash and not to be trusted as an unbiased authority. Shouldn't you be more concerned about getting banned from your fashion forums again cupcake? Shall I post your in the closet cover up activities for people to know who or what you really are? Go back to your zionistic apologists threads before you get hurt over here

 

[DiveCon]

Popular Mechanics assembled the best minds in the world who agreed 9/11 was a terrorist attack.
9/11 Conspiracy Theories - Debunking the Myths - World Trade Center - Pentagon - Flight 93 - Popular Mechanics

Take your schizophrenia meds. You're severely disturbed.

PM, is a yellow journalism rag and government propaganda peddling piece of trash and not to be trusted as an unbiased authority. Shouldn't you be more concerned about getting banned from your fashion forums again cupcake? Shall I post your in the closet cover up activities for people to know who or what you really are? Go back to your zionistic apologists threads before you get hurt over here

not outside the troofer delusional movement(that should have been flushed)

 

[hortysir]

To clarify things for you and other posters. I started a thread recently to point out that there are glaring discrepancies and faults that have been found in the explanations that the US government and its agencies provided for the attacks on our nation on 9-11. I am not 100% adhering to one explanation over others, because in all honesty, I really do not know the exact truth. I am very confidant though, that the reasons and discrepancies that members of the so called truth movement or what ever it is you wish to refer to them as, have legitimate concerns and that they DO point out areas of concern that should not be dismissed away, due to the nature of importance and severe implications this event has caused here and around the world. I try to point this out in my thread, and try to point this out in my engagements with you and others. But when I or someone else point these things out, instead of engaging in dialogue that we all can learn from, it usually turns into a rant filled with insults and name calling that truthfully I would rather not have. Everybody will defend themselves when attacked here or in person, so it really turns into quite an unproductive farce. I have my opinions about the trustworthiness of the US government and its agencies and elected/selected officials, and I do not have a glaring endorsement. I have personal, and public reasons for my way of thinking about the government, which is why I am so adamant that as citizens, we should look twice, and think hard before we take them at their word.
When 9-11 happened, I was on a patriotic kick and wanted us to go kick some Taliban ass and do whatever it took to avenge the deaths of our countrymen and women. However, when I saw all the stonewalling the Bush administration did, and the out right lies they were caught in, I got on a reading and research kick. I learned as much as I could and I am still learning. I did not like what I found out about the US and all its clandestine ops, I did not like learning that my country was capable of doing the things it has done to us, and others around the world. I learned that a lot of what I thought I knew and trusted, and took for granted were lies. I was shocked.
No, I don't know if these alleged hijackers are really alive, I never have seen them interviewed on TV, but I have heard they were interviewed. The point is, is that if there are so many questions, why don't the American people deserve the answers to those questions?
I truly believe that the allegations and questions the truth seekers have are valid, and an honest system of government and people in it would address them and clear things up, but it seems they detest the citizens of this nation so much they don't give a shit about addressing the situation, and don't give a shit about us, which only fuels more resentment towards it/them.
Like I said in my thread, we are so busy arguing over collapse initiation, and free fall speed, plane or missile etc. that we are missing the overall bigger picture of what is being done to our country and to us as a peoples.
For the record, I will state this. I do not believe that what they said happened to us on 9-11 is the entire truth, and that my suspicions are even further warranted, by the secrecy, lies, conflicts of interests, and highly doubtful coincidences that occurred before and after 9-11, and by the actions of those in charge at the time and in charge now. To further clarify my position, if ever there is a complete and honest independent investigation done in the future, one that both sides are free to bring to it whoever and whatever they want to make their case, and it turns out that we were not lied to and my suspicions were unwarranted, I would be willing to except the results and move on to other things and causes to help in the realization of what this country was founded on. The elimination of the unlawful Fed Reserve being the first, but that's for another discussion.

Dude, I don't think I've ever read any of your posts so I can speculate on whether you've changed tunes or not.
This post, however, seems to be a fairly well thought out and honest description of why you think some of the things you do.
Going by what I read here I can't find fault in not trusting the government for the full truth.
The problem lies in trying to obtain information about the government *from* the government. No investigation will ever be sufficient. Their hand will be in it in one way or another, thus lending even more doubt into the situation.
I can't be so jaded as to think that my entire government is determined to damage my country.
True there are some snakes in DC. But the second that I allow myself to think that they outnumber the good is the day that the wife and I pack our things and head off to Denmark.

In closing, MrJones, don't let this 'conspiracy' absorb too much of your life.
Learn to take some things at face value and move on and enjoy your friends and family.
It's Monday night and Bowl season. Enjoy some football.

 

[Mr. Jones]

Look it is obvious you are trying to change the meaning of what one says to fulfill your need to continue your bullshit. I am going to say this for the last time to be as clear as I can.
I posted some of the concerns and or discrepancies of what the people who question the official story are, among them were reports that the alleged hijackers might still be alive. This is an example of among the many things that they would have liked to have addressed and clarified at the time. You continue to use this as a false argument with me, and you are being less then honest by doing so. I can honestly tell you that if something is pointed out to me that is wrong or perhaps has already been clarified, I am opened minded enough to look at it again and move on. If you think something is cleared up simply because the government who is someone I am least inclined to trust have said so, then no I still would have my doubts. How much more clearer does one have to make it for you? The only way to really clear up the entire mess is for both sides to be able to present what they have, regardless of how ridiculous you or I think it may be, in an independent new investigation. It really is as simple as that. I have tried wholeheartedly to make my position as clear as possible to you. If you insist on trying to deliberately confuse this as a means to continue your need to bait and act like a troll, I will not participate in appeasing you. There are people who have questions and objections to the official theory, they are legitimate in my opinion and should be properly addressed.

This post can be summed up in one word..... BULLSHIT!

I have yet to see this fucking truthtard look at one piece of evidence he doesn't like. He's been shown the evidence for the hijacker mistake, yet he insists it is only a "question". A question that has been answered time and time again is no longer a question but an ignorant person pretending they are being a patriot but are instead being a traitor by pushing an anti-government agenda based on lies.

Your opinion on what legitimate concerns are is what's bullshit kid. You don't offer anything as a counter rebuttal except more stupid posts, and you haven't answered anything with concrete assurance to put them to rest. You fail again as always. I offer the solution to all the strife by having a new investigation done, and all you can come up with is "bullshit"? Not a very convincing, or intelligent way of debating an opinion.

 

[Patriot911]

Your opinion on what legitimate concerns are is what's bullshit kid. You don't offer anything as a counter rebuttal except more stupid posts, and you haven't answered anything with concrete assurance to put them to rest. You fail again as always. I offer the solution to all the strife by having a new investigation done, and all you can come up with is "bullshit"? Not a very convincing, or intelligent way of debating an opinion.

Anyone reading my responses to your posts know that you're just making shit up at this point. Care to address the fact you ignore all evidence you don't like, which leads to the logical conclusion you would ignore any investigation that doesn't say what you like?

 

[PhysicsExist]

patriot, you are a sham. a joke, no one believes your posts but your other cronnies. When someone reads these from outside, they see that YOU state fallacies, and YOU act like a child. YOU bring up fake information and YOU distract from the conversations at hand with stupid remarks and childish responses. Sometimes you add a little disinformation here or there to get us distracted, but other than that you're a complete nuisance.

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1f_hPtS7Lu4[/ame]

Care to address these facts from the video? Care to address the fact it was on a News channel? Care to address the facts that the professional is stating? No, you're scared. You can't handle the truth. You just dismantle it.

 

[candycorn]

To clarify things for you and other posters. I started a thread recently to point out that there are glaring discrepancies and faults that have been found in the explanations that the US government and its agencies provided for the attacks on our nation on 9-11. I am not 100% adhering to one explanation over others, because in all honesty, I really do not know the exact truth. I am very confidant though, that the reasons and discrepancies that members of the so called truth movement or what ever it is you wish to refer to them as, have legitimate concerns and that they DO point out areas of concern that should not be dismissed away, due to the nature of importance and severe implications this event has caused here and around the world. I try to point this out in my thread, and try to point this out in my engagements with you and others. But when I or someone else point these things out, instead of engaging in dialogue that we all can learn from, it usually turns into a rant filled with insults and name calling that truthfully I would rather not have. Everybody will defend themselves when attacked here or in person, so it really turns into quite an unproductive farce. I have my opinions about the trustworthiness of the US government and its agencies and elected/selected officials, and I do not have a glaring endorsement. I have personal, and public reasons for my way of thinking about the government, which is why I am so adamant that as citizens, we should look twice, and think hard before we take them at their word.
When 9-11 happened, I was on a patriotic kick and wanted us to go kick some Taliban ass and do whatever it took to avenge the deaths of our countrymen and women. However, when I saw all the stonewalling the Bush administration did, and the out right lies they were caught in, I got on a reading and research kick. I learned as much as I could and I am still learning. I did not like what I found out about the US and all its clandestine ops, I did not like learning that my country was capable of doing the things it has done to us, and others around the world. I learned that a lot of what I thought I knew and trusted, and took for granted were lies. I was shocked.


No, I don't know if these alleged hijackers are really alive, I never have seen them interviewed on TV, but I have heard they were interviewed. The point is, is that if there are so many questions, why don't the American people deserve the answers to those questions?

I truly believe that the allegations and questions the truth seekers have are valid, and an honest system of government and people in it would address them and clear things up, but it seems they detest the citizens of this nation so much they don't give a shit about addressing the situation, and don't give a shit about us, which only fuels more resentment towards it/them.
Like I said in my thread, we are so busy arguing over collapse initiation, and free fall speed, plane or missile etc. that we are missing the overall bigger picture of what is being done to our country and to us as a peoples.
For the record, I will state this. I do not believe that what they said happened to us on 9-11 is the entire truth, and that my suspicions are even further warranted, by the secrecy, lies, conflicts of interests, and highly doubtful coincidences that occurred before and after 9-11, and by the actions of those in charge at the time and in charge now. To further clarify my position, if ever there is a complete and honest independent investigation done in the future, one that both sides are free to bring to it whoever and whatever they want to make their case, and it turns out that we were not lied to and my suspicions were unwarranted, I would be willing to except the results and move on to other things and causes to help in the realization of what this country was founded on. The elimination of the unlawful Fed Reserve being the first, but that's for another discussion.

So , you don't know it to be true but you post it. Okay, fine, thats all I was asking.

Now, in light of what you just said, you said that the government lied to you. You said that you don't like being lied to.

But somehow, you "heard" that the hijackers were still alive, accepted it as being truthful, then re-posted it here. Obviously, whoever told you that was lying too. But you continue to believe it and re-post it.


Question:
You have a double-standard...will you admit that or do we have to go 15 rounds where I point it out over and over?

Look it is obvious you are trying to change the meaning of what one says to fulfill your need to continue your bullshit. I am going to say this for the last time to be as clear as I can.
I posted some of the concerns and or discrepancies of what the people who question the official story are, among them were reports that the alleged hijackers might still be alive. This is an example of among the many things that they would have liked to have addressed and clarified at the time. You continue to use this as a false argument with me, and you are being less then honest by doing so. I can honestly tell you that if something is pointed out to me that is wrong or perhaps has already been clarified, I am opened minded enough to look at it again and move on. If you think something is cleared up simply because the government who is someone I am least inclined to trust have said so, then no I still would have my doubts. How much more clearer does one have to make it for you? The only way to really clear up the entire mess is for both sides to be able to present what they have, regardless of how ridiculous you or I think it may be, in an independent new investigation. It really is as simple as that. I have tried wholeheartedly to make my position as clear as possible to you. If you insist on trying to deliberately confuse this as a means to continue your need to bait and act like a troll, I will not participate in appeasing you. There are people who have questions and objections to the official theory, they are legitimate in my opinion and should be properly addressed.

You're anything but open minded.

You posted that the hijackers were still alive at one point. Without qualification. I think you have done so many times. At least you haven't argued with anybody else who has posted it.
Now you post that you're not sure that they are alive... that you "heard" they were still alive. You demand no proof on the matter, you just accept it and move on. Somehow when the US Government says something, you need independent verification and then call that into question when it is provided and you disallow common sense in that event as well.


But getting back to your saying the hijackers are still alive...

Now, since there has been zero interviews with these people either from domestic US news outlets of any persuasion, since Al Jazeera won't interview them. Since none of the supposed "free press" morons like Alex Jones et. al can produce them. Since there are no e-mails, no facebook, no tweets, no contact of any kind from these allegedly still-living hijackers, are you willing to now state that there are no hijackers who survived?

 

[PhysicsExist]

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_gE4wZEh0g[/ame]

 

[DiveCon]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_gE4wZEh0g

i saw that show, Geraldo did NOT change his mind

 

[candycorn]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_gE4wZEh0g

Fine..why isn't Geraldo interviewing the allegedly still-living hijackers CD? Nice that you're still clinging to your new ID but answer the question--why aren't they being interviewed cock sucker?

 

[PhysicsExist]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_gE4wZEh0g

Fine..why isn't Geraldo interviewing the allegedly still-living hijackers CD? Nice that you're still clinging to your new ID but answer the question--why aren't they being interviewed cock sucker?

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQNzvb7r2f0&playnext=1&list=PL621A4B03C1169C78&index=13[/ame]

 

[Patriot911]

patriot, you are a sham. a joke, no one believes your posts but your other cronnies. When someone reads these from outside, they see that YOU state fallacies, and YOU act like a child. YOU bring up fake information and YOU distract from the conversations at hand with stupid remarks and childish responses. Sometimes you add a little disinformation here or there to get us distracted, but other than that you're a complete nuisance.

So says the known, proven liar. Think anyone actually BELIEVES your bullshit?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1f_hPtS7Lu4

Care to address these facts from the video? Care to address the fact it was on a News channel? Care to address the facts that the professional is stating? No, you're scared. You can't handle the truth. You just dismantle it.

I dismantle your bullshit. Gage's as well.

Let's see:

Outright lie: He has been investigating steel framed fire proof buildings for 22 years. There is no such thing as a steel framed fire proof building. You can put fire retardant on the steel frame, but it will eventually collapse. Also, Richard Gage is an architect, not an engineer. Until he found out he could fleece you dumb fucks for all you're worth, he was a low

Outright lie: No deformations seen in the towers before collapse. Helicopters reported the deformations minutes before the collapse of both towers.

Idiotic assumption: Because fire never did it before, it can't do it now.

Outright lie: WTC 7 collapses straight down into it's own footprint at freefall speed for the first 100 feet. The WTC 7 did collapse straight down, but not into it's own footprint and the building did not start at freefall speed. Freefall "speed" (actually acceleration) was only observed for 2.25 seconds of the collapse AFTER .8 seconds of slower than freefall acceleration.

Outright lie: 40,000 tons of structural steel is designed to prevent this kind of collapse. There may have been 40,000 tons of structural steel, but once the lower structures gave way, those 40,000 tons were nothing but dead weight moving down with the rest of the building. It was also found and no truthtard has been able to refute the fact that column 79, if removed, would cause a collapse.

Completely dishonest tactic: Showing controlled demolition side by side with WTC 7 without also demonstrating the audio differences.

Completely dishonest tactic: Talking about the "molten steel" without also mentioning it was this way a week later.

Also, controlled demolition would not have pools of molten steel. Even with thermite it wouldn't cause pools of molten steel.

I got three minutes into it and didn't hear one honest thing he said other than his name and previous occupation. I noticed he didn't mention his current occupation as fleecer of stupid fucks who can't think for themselves.

 

[PhysicsExist]

Everything you just stated was wrong lol

 

[Patriot911]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_gE4wZEh0g

Fine..why isn't Geraldo interviewing the allegedly still-living hijackers CD? Nice that you're still clinging to your new ID but answer the question--why aren't they being interviewed cock sucker?

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQNzvb7r2f0&playnext=1&list=PL621A4B03C1169C78&index=13[/ame]

So you're pretending a senator's opinion who wasn't even a senator at the time of 9/11 is evidence that backs up your bullshit theories. WRONG! Opinions are like assholes. Everyone has one and it seems all you truthtards have opinions that smell like ass. Try again, traitor.

 

[Patriot911]

Everything you just stated was wrong lol

So says a known, proven liar. Think anyone not already a truthtard is buying your bullshit? Come on. You're suppose to be some kind of super truthtard, yet all you can do is the online version of "nuh uh"! That didn't work in grade school and it doesn't work here.

 

[Mr. Jones]

To clarify things for you and other posters. I started a thread recently to point out that there are glaring discrepancies and faults that have been found in the explanations that the US government and its agencies provided for the attacks on our nation on 9-11. I am not 100% adhering to one explanation over others, because in all honesty, I really do not know the exact truth. I am very confidant though, that the reasons and discrepancies that members of the so called truth movement or what ever it is you wish to refer to them as, have legitimate concerns and that they DO point out areas of concern that should not be dismissed away, due to the nature of importance and severe implications this event has caused here and around the world. I try to point this out in my thread, and try to point this out in my engagements with you and others. But when I or someone else point these things out, instead of engaging in dialogue that we all can learn from, it usually turns into a rant filled with insults and name calling that truthfully I would rather not have. Everybody will defend themselves when attacked here or in person, so it really turns into quite an unproductive farce. I have my opinions about the trustworthiness of the US government and its agencies and elected/selected officials, and I do not have a glaring endorsement. I have personal, and public reasons for my way of thinking about the government, which is why I am so adamant that as citizens, we should look twice, and think hard before we take them at their word.
When 9-11 happened, I was on a patriotic kick and wanted us to go kick some Taliban ass and do whatever it took to avenge the deaths of our countrymen and women. However, when I saw all the stonewalling the Bush administration did, and the out right lies they were caught in, I got on a reading and research kick. I learned as much as I could and I am still learning. I did not like what I found out about the US and all its clandestine ops, I did not like learning that my country was capable of doing the things it has done to us, and others around the world. I learned that a lot of what I thought I knew and trusted, and took for granted were lies. I was shocked.
No, I don't know if these alleged hijackers are really alive, I never have seen them interviewed on TV, but I have heard they were interviewed. The point is, is that if there are so many questions, why don't the American people deserve the answers to those questions?
I truly believe that the allegations and questions the truth seekers have are valid, and an honest system of government and people in it would address them and clear things up, but it seems they detest the citizens of this nation so much they don't give a shit about addressing the situation, and don't give a shit about us, which only fuels more resentment towards it/them.
Like I said in my thread, we are so busy arguing over collapse initiation, and free fall speed, plane or missile etc. that we are missing the overall bigger picture of what is being done to our country and to us as a peoples.
For the record, I will state this. I do not believe that what they said happened to us on 9-11 is the entire truth, and that my suspicions are even further warranted, by the secrecy, lies, conflicts of interests, and highly doubtful coincidences that occurred before and after 9-11, and by the actions of those in charge at the time and in charge now. To further clarify my position, if ever there is a complete and honest independent investigation done in the future, one that both sides are free to bring to it whoever and whatever they want to make their case, and it turns out that we were not lied to and my suspicions were unwarranted, I would be willing to except the results and move on to other things and causes to help in the realization of what this country was founded on. The elimination of the unlawful Fed Reserve being the first, but that's for another discussion.

Dude, I don't think I've ever read any of your posts so I can speculate on whether you've changed tunes or not.
This post, however, seems to be a fairly well thought out and honest description of why you think some of the things you do.
Going by what I read here I can't find fault in not trusting the government for the full truth.
The problem lies in trying to obtain information about the government *from* the government. No investigation will ever be sufficient. Their hand will be in it in one way or another, thus lending even more doubt into the situation.
I can't be so jaded as to think that my entire government is determined to damage my country.
True there are some snakes in DC. But the second that I allow myself to think that they outnumber the good is the day that the wife and I pack our things and head off to Denmark.

In closing, MrJones, don't let this 'conspiracy' absorb too much of your life.
Learn to take some things at face value and move on and enjoy your friends and family.
It's Monday night and Bowl season. Enjoy some football.

You are absolutely right, I initially signed on here to observe the different opinions of things such as being discussed ( or whatever it turned into) with a goal of looking into the points made of those with differing points of view. As I soon discovered, the topics can't seem to be discussed without running into people whose sole purpose is to incite strife, confusion, and ill feelings towards one another, and my original intentions were sidetracked, by defending myself and others from attacks from what I consider instigator trolls, who upon having the opportunity to act the way they do here, in a public face to face setting wouldn't even think about it. It reconfirms my feelings as to the state of things overall, and why this country is in the condition it is in. We slaves argue over the choices we have been given to accept, not ever stopping to realize it isn't even in our best interests. We have been conditioned to accept the story coming out of a high tech box and accepting it as the almighty definitive word/truth and pummeling those that stop to think about it and say "hey somethings not quite right here", and when they point it out to their fellow compatriots, they are ridiculed and publicly admonished, for simply pointing out a discrepancy or mistake, or worse an outright lie.. It is a sad state for our society and country when people are made to shut up and accept something they feel is wrong, not just for them, but for others, and the country they love. I know in my heart that the foundation and the promise that America offered, has been broken. Others know it too, and unfortunately for the OCTAs, no amount of cowardly tactics, or attempts to quell the voices of true Americans and their concerns will work.
BTW, I love football and having a team in the playoffs. Family and friends are of the utmost importance, but concern for my country is right up there too, and it doesn't look good and hasn't for a long time. I just wish we could take back our nation from the scum that has caused all the troubles we are experiencing.

 

[candycorn]

To clarify things for you and other posters. I started a thread recently to point out that there are glaring discrepancies and faults that have been found in the explanations that the US government and its agencies provided for the attacks on our nation on 9-11. I am not 100% adhering to one explanation over others, because in all honesty, I really do not know the exact truth. I am very confidant though, that the reasons and discrepancies that members of the so called truth movement or what ever it is you wish to refer to them as, have legitimate concerns and that they DO point out areas of concern that should not be dismissed away, due to the nature of importance and severe implications this event has caused here and around the world. I try to point this out in my thread, and try to point this out in my engagements with you and others. But when I or someone else point these things out, instead of engaging in dialogue that we all can learn from, it usually turns into a rant filled with insults and name calling that truthfully I would rather not have. Everybody will defend themselves when attacked here or in person, so it really turns into quite an unproductive farce. I have my opinions about the trustworthiness of the US government and its agencies and elected/selected officials, and I do not have a glaring endorsement. I have personal, and public reasons for my way of thinking about the government, which is why I am so adamant that as citizens, we should look twice, and think hard before we take them at their word.
When 9-11 happened, I was on a patriotic kick and wanted us to go kick some Taliban ass and do whatever it took to avenge the deaths of our countrymen and women. However, when I saw all the stonewalling the Bush administration did, and the out right lies they were caught in, I got on a reading and research kick. I learned as much as I could and I am still learning. I did not like what I found out about the US and all its clandestine ops, I did not like learning that my country was capable of doing the things it has done to us, and others around the world. I learned that a lot of what I thought I knew and trusted, and took for granted were lies. I was shocked.
No, I don't know if these alleged hijackers are really alive, I never have seen them interviewed on TV, but I have heard they were interviewed. The point is, is that if there are so many questions, why don't the American people deserve the answers to those questions?
I truly believe that the allegations and questions the truth seekers have are valid, and an honest system of government and people in it would address them and clear things up, but it seems they detest the citizens of this nation so much they don't give a shit about addressing the situation, and don't give a shit about us, which only fuels more resentment towards it/them.
Like I said in my thread, we are so busy arguing over collapse initiation, and free fall speed, plane or missile etc. that we are missing the overall bigger picture of what is being done to our country and to us as a peoples.
For the record, I will state this. I do not believe that what they said happened to us on 9-11 is the entire truth, and that my suspicions are even further warranted, by the secrecy, lies, conflicts of interests, and highly doubtful coincidences that occurred before and after 9-11, and by the actions of those in charge at the time and in charge now. To further clarify my position, if ever there is a complete and honest independent investigation done in the future, one that both sides are free to bring to it whoever and whatever they want to make their case, and it turns out that we were not lied to and my suspicions were unwarranted, I would be willing to except the results and move on to other things and causes to help in the realization of what this country was founded on. The elimination of the unlawful Fed Reserve being the first, but that's for another discussion.

Dude, I don't think I've ever read any of your posts so I can speculate on whether you've changed tunes or not.
This post, however, seems to be a fairly well thought out and honest description of why you think some of the things you do.
Going by what I read here I can't find fault in not trusting the government for the full truth.
The problem lies in trying to obtain information about the government *from* the government. No investigation will ever be sufficient. Their hand will be in it in one way or another, thus lending even more doubt into the situation.
I can't be so jaded as to think that my entire government is determined to damage my country.
True there are some snakes in DC. But the second that I allow myself to think that they outnumber the good is the day that the wife and I pack our things and head off to Denmark.

In closing, MrJones, don't let this 'conspiracy' absorb too much of your life.
Learn to take some things at face value and move on and enjoy your friends and family.
It's Monday night and Bowl season. Enjoy some football.

You are absolutely right, I initially signed on here to observe the different opinions of things such as being discussed ( or whatever it turned into) with a goal of looking into the points made of those with differing points of view. As I soon discovered, the topics can't seem to be discussed without running into people whose sole purpose is to incite strife, confusion, and ill feelings towards one another, and my original intentions were sidetracked, by defending myself and others from attacks from what I consider instigator trolls, who upon having the opportunity to act the way they do here, in a public face to face setting wouldn't even think about it. It reconfirms my feelings as to the state of things overall, and why this country is in the condition it is in. We slaves argue over the choices we have been given to accept, not ever stopping to realize it isn't even in our best interests. We have been conditioned to accept the story coming out of a high tech box and accepting it as the almighty definitive word/truth and pummeling those that stop to think about it and say "hey somethings not quite right here", and when they point it out to their fellow compatriots, they are ridiculed and publicly admonished, for simply pointing out a discrepancy or mistake, or worse an outright lie.. It is a sad state for our society and country when people are made to shut up and accept something they feel is wrong, not just for them, but for others, and the country they love. I know in my heart that the foundation and the promise that America offered, has been broken. Others know it too, and unfortunately for the OCTAs, no amount of cowardly tactics, or attempts to quell the voices of true Americans and their concerns will work.
BTW, I love football and having a team in the playoffs. Family and friends are of the utmost importance, but concern for my country is right up there too, and it doesn't look good and hasn't for a long time. I just wish we could take back our nation from the scum that has caused all the troubles we are experiencing.

Cry bitch!

So are the hijackers alive? Nobody has heard from them in 9 years +. Nobody is interviewing them. Nobody is friending them on facebook.

Why do you say they are alive?

Admit you were wrong and perhaps you'll gain some sort of acknowledgement at least.

 

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I think you have done so many times.

You're not sure about what you are alleging, your point is invalid. You should just quit cause you are making yourself to look like an ass and only here to continue your bullshit. I have made myself clear, yet you wish to continue to be an argumentative troll, too bad for you. It is very obvious.

At least you haven't argued with anybody else who has posted it.
Now you post that you're not sure that they are alive... that you "heard" they were still alive.

Try to quote me directly on this to substantiate your statement, and re-read what I said clearly. It is one of the things among many, that the folks wanted to have addressed as being questionable.

You demand no proof on the matter, you just accept it and move on. Somehow when the US Government says something, you need independent verification and then call that into question when it is provided and you disallow common sense in that event as well.

What happened on that day defies all common sense. Your appeal to authority when it comes to the government, especially considering history, falls on many deaf ears.

But getting back to your saying the hijackers are still alive...

Still twisting what I actually said, you are a nuisance and an obvious fallacy junkie.

Now, since there has been zero interviews with these people either from domestic US news outlets of any persuasion, since Al Jazeera won't interview them. Since none of the supposed "free press" morons like Alex Jones et. al can produce them. Since there are no e-mails, no facebook, no tweets, no contact of any kind from these allegedly still-living hijackers, are you willing to now state that there are no hijackers who survived?

Because of what your opinion is on the matter? You must be joking! When the day comes, as I have already stated, but you continue to refuse to acknowledge, that a new investigation is properly done and both sides have had their fair say, that will be the day when I accept the outcome, not because Al Jazeera hasn't interviewed them!