question about the Presidential race

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    One simple question : During this race to the White House, everybody spoke of Kerry's past in Vietnam.
    And the polemics about it are numerous....but what the matter this it ? what the problem with Kerry's vet past ?
    He did he war, it was horrible, like any other war in jungle against an invisible ennemy, so at the end of his turn, he wouldn't no more war...we can understand that : the same feelings for the french and british soldiers of the WWI's trenches...
    But Kerry is not a coward for this reason ! If you say that, you say also that the french and british soldiers of WWI are coward, because the soldiers who survived said : it will be the last war, no more war, never".
    Kerry did his duty for his country....he went to Vietnam - not a war like the others, I know it, I read alot about this war and the french Indochina war - so for this reason he should be respected....
    And GW Bush attack him on this ground, Bush - or Bush's allies - say that Kerry is a craven...but Bush serve into the National Guard.......so he stay at home, in a Texas Unit, called "the champagne killers" or something like that....


    So, between a guy who went to Nam, as an officer, and an other guy, who did the war planted in a Texas unit for rich sons, who is the hero ?
    For me, the first one, and it is John Kerry.

    So I don't understand why this mediatic affair about kerry's vietnam passage.....Bush was not at all in Vietnam......


    John Kerry worked for his country when he did his duty in Nam, GW Bush worked for his liver-cirrhosis when he drunk all the champagne of the base while Kerry fought in Nam....
     
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    The contentions of his critics are:

    A: He exaggerated (lied) about the context of his injuries and received medals based on those lies.

    B: When he came home he told outrageous lies about the extent of war atrocities and built a political career based on those lies.

    HE'S A LIAR!

    Also what the left are calling personal attacks were just pointing out his voting record in the Senate. How is that a personal attack? It's not. He's a mewling, lying, narcicisstic infant.
     
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    greetings padisha. Understand this about American politics. Don't take anything you see in the media as actual fact. The media has tried to steer elections as far back as Abraham lincoln during the Civil War years.

    John Kerry served in the Navy suring Vietnam. George Bush served in the National Guard during Vietnam. Why are these even issues? Because the media and the Democratic party has decided to make them issues. Defense, healthcare, economy, immigration laws, etc are not being focused on due to the fact that Senator Kerry has chosen the events during 4 months of his life, 35 years ago to tell the American people that he deserves to run the free world.

    Since Senator Kerry has made his whole campaign focused upon these 4 months, scrutiny will come of it. The main focus of this scrutiny however is not from the Republican party but from the very sailors who served with Kerry. these same sailors and US combatants have been leading the charge for the better part of 30 years against John Kerry due to his slander and lies that he made about the men he served with. Lies of atrocities that he now admits never occured. Lies of secret missions that were feasibly impossible due to geography, time and physical events. Most of all, lies that helped to weaken the American spirit among the soldiers and amongst the civilians back home. Kerry led the charge on the anti-war movement that had and still has caused many Vietnam vets great anguish when they returned home.

    So don't let the media fool you. Kerry is the one going on about Vietnam and its his fellow soldiers that re the ones rebutting him as they have been for 30 years.
     
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    Welcome Padisha! :thup:

    I have nothing to add that insein didn't already cover. Frankly, I'd love to start debating today's issues, but John Kerry won't quit talking about Vietnam long enough for it.
     
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    And when he isnt talking about Vietnam he is too busy debating himself.
     
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    I really like your avatar, too bad I have so far disagreed with everything you said.
     
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    Happy that you like my avatar....this flag is so nice...probably because there is thae cross of France and the lys flowers of France ;)

    for what I say, i think that vote for the past of a guy is stupid.
    Vote for his program, what he want to do, not about his Vietnam
    Example : Philippe Pétain, Hero of Verdun, winner of THE battle, in 1917. So, french hero, he had been called to rule about france in may 1940..error, it was not because Pétain was great against Germany in 1917 that he would automaticly saved France....

    Don't vote for kerry's past, vote for his idea, his programm, his team...
    No ?
     
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    Basically you are correct. Unfortunately, many voters are have trouble determining exactly what Kerry's program is. He has not taken the time to explain it clearly and concisely. His service record and the questions raised by his actions after his service leave his integrity open to question and his voting record as senator indicates that he is extremely liberal in his thinking. The problem for Kerry is that he has to appeal to what is called the swing vote. Swing voters (for the most part) are truly moderate.
     
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    No. Kerry's past suggests a total lack of character and integrity. That tells me a great deal about how kerry will act in the future. He has spent his entire life as a professional liar and gigolo. Now he wants to present himself as the man who should lead this nation. Personally, I'm not buying the act.
     
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    padisha emperor, so far everyone that has spoken is either a republican or a neocon. The only reason we hear so much about Kerry's war record these days is because of one man, John O'Neill who is angry that Kerry won the argument 30 years ago.

    If you want to learn about Kerry's plans, go to johnkerry.com, it lists all of his ideas in detail.
     

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