Putin: Su-24's Black Box to Reveal Truth About Jet Shot Down by Turkey

[Stratford57]

The data from the black box of the downed Russian Su-24 bomber will prove that the aircraft was in Syrian airspace when it was attacked by Turkish forces, Russian President Vladimir Putin said on Tuesday.

Earlier in the day, Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu showed Putin the black box, which was recovered in Syria by Russian and Syrian forces.

"As I understand, the flight data recorder will give us the opportunity to understand the Su-24's trajectory from the moment of its take-off to the moment of the crash," Putin said. "This means we will be able to understand where it was [at the moment of the downing] and where the treacherous strike from the Turkish Air Force was dealt."

Putin also said that the black box should be opened only in the presence of international experts.

Putin thanked everyone who participated in the operation to search for and retrieve the black box from Russia's Su-24, which was shot down on November 24 by the Turkish Air Force.

"We must certainly thank our military, the staff of the special forces, search and rescue crews, and Syrian troops for retrieving the recorder, which will certainly help us to understand what happened," Putin said in a meeting with Shoigu.
Putin: Su-24's Black Box to Reveal Truth About Jet Shot Down by Turkey

Britain says it will consider Russia's request for aviation experts to examine data from the black box of a Russian warplane downed over the Turkish-Syria border.

Cameron's office said the two leaders had "agreed that it was important to wait for the investigation to establish what had happened and the prime minister said he would consider President Putin's request to send British experts to assist the investigation."
The Latest: UK to Consider Russian Request for Plane Experts

 

[TNHarley]

Anxiously waiting

 

[Book of Jeremiah]

The data from the black box of the downed Russian Su-24 bomber will prove that the aircraft was in Syrian airspace when it was attacked by Turkish forces, Russian President Vladimir Putin said on Tuesday.

Earlier in the day, Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu showed Putin the black box, which was recovered in Syria by Russian and Syrian forces.

"As I understand, the flight data recorder will give us the opportunity to understand the Su-24's trajectory from the moment of its take-off to the moment of the crash," Putin said. "This means we will be able to understand where it was [at the moment of the downing] and where the treacherous strike from the Turkish Air Force was dealt."

Putin also said that the black box should be opened only in the presence of international experts.

Putin thanked everyone who participated in the operation to search for and retrieve the black box from Russia's Su-24, which was shot down on November 24 by the Turkish Air Force.

"We must certainly thank our military, the staff of the special forces, search and rescue crews, and Syrian troops for retrieving the recorder, which will certainly help us to understand what happened," Putin said in a meeting with Shoigu.
Putin: Su-24's Black Box to Reveal Truth About Jet Shot Down by Turkey

Britain says it will consider Russia's request for aviation experts to examine data from the black box of a Russian warplane downed over the Turkish-Syria border.

Cameron's office said the two leaders had "agreed that it was important to wait for the investigation to establish what had happened and the prime minister said he would consider President Putin's request to send British experts to assist the investigation."
The Latest: UK to Consider Russian Request for Plane Experts

Interesting. Putin must be quite confident about what is inside that black box.

 

[Syriusly]

The data from the black box of the downed Russian Su-24 bomber will prove that the aircraft was in Syrian airspace when it was attacked by Turkish forces, Russian President Vladimir Putin said on Tuesday.

Earlier in the day, Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu showed Putin the black box, which was recovered in Syria by Russian and Syrian forces.

"As I understand, the flight data recorder will give us the opportunity to understand the Su-24's trajectory from the moment of its take-off to the moment of the crash," Putin said. "This means we will be able to understand where it was [at the moment of the downing] and where the treacherous strike from the Turkish Air Force was dealt."

Putin also said that the black box should be opened only in the presence of international experts.

Putin thanked everyone who participated in the operation to search for and retrieve the black box from Russia's Su-24, which was shot down on November 24 by the Turkish Air Force.

"We must certainly thank our military, the staff of the special forces, search and rescue crews, and Syrian troops for retrieving the recorder, which will certainly help us to understand what happened," Putin said in a meeting with Shoigu.
Putin: Su-24's Black Box to Reveal Truth About Jet Shot Down by Turkey

Britain says it will consider Russia's request for aviation experts to examine data from the black box of a Russian warplane downed over the Turkish-Syria border.

Cameron's office said the two leaders had "agreed that it was important to wait for the investigation to establish what had happened and the prime minister said he would consider President Putin's request to send British experts to assist the investigation."
The Latest: UK to Consider Russian Request for Plane Experts

"Will Prove"

Not 'proved'

Because we can rely upon Russia and the former KGB leader to be truthful.

 

[Syriusly]

The data from the black box of the downed Russian Su-24 bomber will prove that the aircraft was in Syrian airspace when it was attacked by Turkish forces, Russian President Vladimir Putin said on Tuesday.

Earlier in the day, Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu showed Putin the black box, which was recovered in Syria by Russian and Syrian forces.

"As I understand, the flight data recorder will give us the opportunity to understand the Su-24's trajectory from the moment of its take-off to the moment of the crash," Putin said. "This means we will be able to understand where it was [at the moment of the downing] and where the treacherous strike from the Turkish Air Force was dealt."

Putin also said that the black box should be opened only in the presence of international experts.

Putin thanked everyone who participated in the operation to search for and retrieve the black box from Russia's Su-24, which was shot down on November 24 by the Turkish Air Force.

"We must certainly thank our military, the staff of the special forces, search and rescue crews, and Syrian troops for retrieving the recorder, which will certainly help us to understand what happened," Putin said in a meeting with Shoigu.
Putin: Su-24's Black Box to Reveal Truth About Jet Shot Down by Turkey

Britain says it will consider Russia's request for aviation experts to examine data from the black box of a Russian warplane downed over the Turkish-Syria border.

Cameron's office said the two leaders had "agreed that it was important to wait for the investigation to establish what had happened and the prime minister said he would consider President Putin's request to send British experts to assist the investigation."
The Latest: UK to Consider Russian Request for Plane Experts

Interesting. Putin must be quite confident about what is inside that black box.

I am sure the former KGB leader is quite confident the correct information will be in the black box by the time it is opened.

 

[TNHarley]

The data from the black box of the downed Russian Su-24 bomber will prove that the aircraft was in Syrian airspace when it was attacked by Turkish forces, Russian President Vladimir Putin said on Tuesday.

Earlier in the day, Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu showed Putin the black box, which was recovered in Syria by Russian and Syrian forces.

"As I understand, the flight data recorder will give us the opportunity to understand the Su-24's trajectory from the moment of its take-off to the moment of the crash," Putin said. "This means we will be able to understand where it was [at the moment of the downing] and where the treacherous strike from the Turkish Air Force was dealt."

Putin also said that the black box should be opened only in the presence of international experts.

Putin thanked everyone who participated in the operation to search for and retrieve the black box from Russia's Su-24, which was shot down on November 24 by the Turkish Air Force.

"We must certainly thank our military, the staff of the special forces, search and rescue crews, and Syrian troops for retrieving the recorder, which will certainly help us to understand what happened," Putin said in a meeting with Shoigu.
Putin: Su-24's Black Box to Reveal Truth About Jet Shot Down by Turkey

Britain says it will consider Russia's request for aviation experts to examine data from the black box of a Russian warplane downed over the Turkish-Syria border.

Cameron's office said the two leaders had "agreed that it was important to wait for the investigation to establish what had happened and the prime minister said he would consider President Putin's request to send British experts to assist the investigation."
The Latest: UK to Consider Russian Request for Plane Experts

"Will Prove"

Not 'proved'

Because we can rely upon Russia and the former KGB leader to be truthful.

From the OP
Britain says it will consider Russia's request for aviation experts to examine data from the black box of a Russian warplane downed over the Turkish-Syria border.

Cameron's office said the two leaders had "agreed that it was important to wait for the investigation to establish what had happened and the prime minister said he would consider President Putin's request to send British experts to assist the investigation."

 

[tinydancer]

The data from the black box of the downed Russian Su-24 bomber will prove that the aircraft was in Syrian airspace when it was attacked by Turkish forces, Russian President Vladimir Putin said on Tuesday.

Earlier in the day, Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu showed Putin the black box, which was recovered in Syria by Russian and Syrian forces.

"As I understand, the flight data recorder will give us the opportunity to understand the Su-24's trajectory from the moment of its take-off to the moment of the crash," Putin said. "This means we will be able to understand where it was [at the moment of the downing] and where the treacherous strike from the Turkish Air Force was dealt."

Putin also said that the black box should be opened only in the presence of international experts.

Putin thanked everyone who participated in the operation to search for and retrieve the black box from Russia's Su-24, which was shot down on November 24 by the Turkish Air Force.

"We must certainly thank our military, the staff of the special forces, search and rescue crews, and Syrian troops for retrieving the recorder, which will certainly help us to understand what happened," Putin said in a meeting with Shoigu.
Putin: Su-24's Black Box to Reveal Truth About Jet Shot Down by Turkey

Britain says it will consider Russia's request for aviation experts to examine data from the black box of a Russian warplane downed over the Turkish-Syria border.

Cameron's office said the two leaders had "agreed that it was important to wait for the investigation to establish what had happened and the prime minister said he would consider President Putin's request to send British experts to assist the investigation."
The Latest: UK to Consider Russian Request for Plane Experts

"Will Prove"

Not 'proved'

Because we can rely upon Russia and the former KGB leader to be truthful.

It's Obama that lies. US finally forced to admit they helped Turkey smuggle "just a bit" of ISIS oil.

Just a bit? Kiss my ass. The west is BUSTED!

" AFP reports, U.S. special envoy and coordinator for international energy affairs, Amos Hochstein, on Friday said the amount of oil smuggled into Turkey from areas of Syria controlled by the Islamic State group is “of no significance from a volume perspective — both volume of oil and volume of revenue”.

That doesn’t sound like a statement to me that smuggling is not happening. It sounds like an excuse. However, turning a blind eye to ISIS smuggling oil into Turkey is peanuts compared to allowing the Islamic State to produce and distribute oil over the last fourteen months, earning millions of dollars a month in the process.

The White House says it did not start targeting ISIS oil infrastructure until recently due to environmental and collateral damage concerns.

The real reason American forces were finally ordered to start destroying fuel trucks was the fact that Russia embarrassed them into doing so.

Frankly, the whole White House narrative is incomprehensible. Therefore the American government is complicit in whatever consequences accrue from ISIS being able to grow, expand, and extend its reach across the world, threatening our way of life.

The lack of American air pressure on the ISIS oil transportation and production network was the equivalent of a no-fly zone for the ISIS money machine.

The European Parliament just issued a report that ISIS has now brought materials and expertise into Europe to build and deploy weapons of mass destruction.

An attack of this type would be devastating for the West and our way of life. Now that would be some real collateral damage. Not bad for the junior varsity.

More at link:

Russia is right: White House helped ISIS smuggle, sell oil

L. TODD WOOD: Russia is right: White House helped ISIS smuggle, sell oil

 

[Stratford57]

Turkey plan about shooting down a Russian SU-24 was simple. Turkey did its best and was sure that:

- Both pilots would be shot to death and never talk;
- Black boxes would be never found in ISIS occupied area;
- NATO would protect Turkey from any kind of trouble.

However:

- A Russian airman who has survived the downing of his warplane says Turkish jets did not issue any warnings. Capt. Konstantin Murakhtin said Wednesday on Russian television that his plane was flying over Syrian territory and didn’t violate Turkish airspace.
Capt. Konstantin Murakhtin, Russian pilot, says no warnings from Turkey
- Black box has been found today.

So far, NATO remains the only hope for "poor" Turkey.

 

[tinydancer]

Turkey plan about shooting down a Russian SU-24 was simple. Turkey did its best and was sure that:

- Both pilots would be shot to death and never talk;
- Black boxes would be never found in ISIS occupied area;
- NATO would protect Turkey from any kind of trouble.

However:

- A Russian airman who has survived the downing of his warplane says Turkish jets did not issue any warnings. Capt. Konstantin Murakhtin said Wednesday on Russian television that his plane was flying over Syrian territory and didn’t violate Turkish airspace.
Capt. Konstantin Murakhtin, Russian pilot, says no warnings from Turkey
- Black box has been found today.

So far, NATO remains the only hope for "poor" Turkey.

First sign this was a planned attack was that they had their state owned media and another media outlet on the spot to capture the downing of the plane and interview the jihadists who killed the one pilot.

No brainer.

 

[TNHarley]

The data from the black box of the downed Russian Su-24 bomber will prove that the aircraft was in Syrian airspace when it was attacked by Turkish forces, Russian President Vladimir Putin said on Tuesday.

Earlier in the day, Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu showed Putin the black box, which was recovered in Syria by Russian and Syrian forces.

"As I understand, the flight data recorder will give us the opportunity to understand the Su-24's trajectory from the moment of its take-off to the moment of the crash," Putin said. "This means we will be able to understand where it was [at the moment of the downing] and where the treacherous strike from the Turkish Air Force was dealt."

Putin also said that the black box should be opened only in the presence of international experts.

Putin thanked everyone who participated in the operation to search for and retrieve the black box from Russia's Su-24, which was shot down on November 24 by the Turkish Air Force.

"We must certainly thank our military, the staff of the special forces, search and rescue crews, and Syrian troops for retrieving the recorder, which will certainly help us to understand what happened," Putin said in a meeting with Shoigu.
Putin: Su-24's Black Box to Reveal Truth About Jet Shot Down by Turkey

Britain says it will consider Russia's request for aviation experts to examine data from the black box of a Russian warplane downed over the Turkish-Syria border.

Cameron's office said the two leaders had "agreed that it was important to wait for the investigation to establish what had happened and the prime minister said he would consider President Putin's request to send British experts to assist the investigation."
The Latest: UK to Consider Russian Request for Plane Experts

"Will Prove"

Not 'proved'

Because we can rely upon Russia and the former KGB leader to be truthful.

It's Obama that lies. US finally forced to admit they helped Turkey smuggle "just a bit" of ISIS oil.

Just a bit? Kiss my ass. The west is BUSTED!

" AFP reports, U.S. special envoy and coordinator for international energy affairs, Amos Hochstein, on Friday said the amount of oil smuggled into Turkey from areas of Syria controlled by the Islamic State group is “of no significance from a volume perspective — both volume of oil and volume of revenue”.

That doesn’t sound like a statement to me that smuggling is not happening. It sounds like an excuse. However, turning a blind eye to ISIS smuggling oil into Turkey is peanuts compared to allowing the Islamic State to produce and distribute oil over the last fourteen months, earning millions of dollars a month in the process.

The White House says it did not start targeting ISIS oil infrastructure until recently due to environmental and collateral damage concerns.

The real reason American forces were finally ordered to start destroying fuel trucks was the fact that Russia embarrassed them into doing so.

Frankly, the whole White House narrative is incomprehensible. Therefore the American government is complicit in whatever consequences accrue from ISIS being able to grow, expand, and extend its reach across the world, threatening our way of life.

The lack of American air pressure on the ISIS oil transportation and production network was the equivalent of a no-fly zone for the ISIS money machine.

The European Parliament just issued a report that ISIS has now brought materials and expertise into Europe to build and deploy weapons of mass destruction.

An attack of this type would be devastating for the West and our way of life. Now that would be some real collateral damage. Not bad for the junior varsity.

More at link:

Russia is right: White House helped ISIS smuggle, sell oil

L. TODD WOOD: Russia is right: White House helped ISIS smuggle, sell oil

Weird how Obama and his minions always down play IS. Like saying they have 30K fighters. Yea right!

 

[montelatici]

Anyone that knows anything about air traffic management and radar/IFF knows that the Turks are lying. Even the U.S. has not come out in support of the Turkish version of the story, saying only that the Russian plane was in Turkish air space for less than 7 seconds. Something they can hedge when it turns out the Russian jet did not enter Turkish airspace at all.

Note: The give away was the purported screen shot of the radar display the Turks claimed was authentic. An obvious concocted simulation.

 

[Syriusly]

Yeah- and Russia had nothing to do with the shooting down of the airliner in the Ukraine......

Really- you guys will believe anything the KGB tells you.

 

[montelatici]

Yeah- and Russia had nothing to do with the shooting down of the airliner in the Ukraine......

Really- you guys will believe anything the KGB tells you.

There has not been a KGB since 1991.

But, what does the downing of an airliner over Ukraine have to do with the Syria/Turkey situation?

 

[Stratford57]

Yeah- and Russia had nothing to do with the shooting down of the airliner in the Ukraine......
.

A lot of accusations but no "irrefutable" evidence from Obama (as he promised) or from official Kiev . Neither we've seen American satellite pictures released or negotiations between the Ukrainian dispatcher and Malaysian Boeing pilots released. None. And it's already been a year and a half since the tragedy. Sounds like both Obama and official Kiev decided to hide all the irrefutable evidence.

 

[tinydancer]

Yeah- and Russia had nothing to do with the shooting down of the airliner in the Ukraine......

Really- you guys will believe anything the KGB tells you.

Yeah- and Russia had nothing to do with the shooting down of the airliner in the Ukraine......

Really- you guys will believe anything the KGB tells you.

Just an FYI. The Ukrainians in the past downed a Russian jet liner. They have a track record.

Now to Turkey. They have been funding al Nusra (AQ) in Syria and buying ISIS oil.

AND NATO has allowed it. Why would I believe anything from the White House AKA The Home of the Whopper when they've been caught out lying regularly?

 

[Syriusly]

Yeah- and Russia had nothing to do with the shooting down of the airliner in the Ukraine......

Really- you guys will believe anything the KGB tells you.

Yeah- and Russia had nothing to do with the shooting down of the airliner in the Ukraine......

Really- you guys will believe anything the KGB tells you.

Just an FYI. The Ukrainians in the past downed a Russian jet liner. They have a track record.

Now to Turkey. They have been funding al Nusra (AQ) in Syria and buying ISIS oil.

AND NATO has allowed it. Why would I believe anything from the White House AKA The Home of the Whopper when they've been caught out lying regularly?

And why would i believe anything from Putin or Russia when it has been caught lying before?

 

[montelatici]

Yeah- and Russia had nothing to do with the shooting down of the airliner in the Ukraine......

Really- you guys will believe anything the KGB tells you.

Yeah- and Russia had nothing to do with the shooting down of the airliner in the Ukraine......

Really- you guys will believe anything the KGB tells you.

Just an FYI. The Ukrainians in the past downed a Russian jet liner. They have a track record.

Now to Turkey. They have been funding al Nusra (AQ) in Syria and buying ISIS oil.

AND NATO has allowed it. Why would I believe anything from the White House AKA The Home of the Whopper when they've been caught out lying regularly?

And why would i believe anything from Putin or Russia when it has been caught lying before?

When?

 

[Syriusly]

Yeah- and Russia had nothing to do with the shooting down of the airliner in the Ukraine......

Really- you guys will believe anything the KGB tells you.

Yeah- and Russia had nothing to do with the shooting down of the airliner in the Ukraine......

Really- you guys will believe anything the KGB tells you.

Just an FYI. The Ukrainians in the past downed a Russian jet liner. They have a track record.

Now to Turkey. They have been funding al Nusra (AQ) in Syria and buying ISIS oil.

AND NATO has allowed it. Why would I believe anything from the White House AKA The Home of the Whopper when they've been caught out lying regularly?

And why would i believe anything from Putin or Russia when it has been caught lying before?

When?

Opinion: Putin's breathtaking lies about Russia - CNN.com


Putin says: "The Bolsheviks, for a number of reasons -- may God judge them -- added large sections of the historical South of Russia to the Republic of Ukraine. This was done with no consideration for the ethnic makeup of the population, and today these areas form the southeast of Ukraine. Then, in 1954, a decision was made to transfer Crimean Region to Ukraine. ... What matters now is that this decision was made in clear violation of the constitutional norms that were in place even then."

Once again, Putin's historical myopia is breathtaking: Nikita Khrushchev's decision to grant Crimea to Ukraine was as constitutional as anything any Soviet Communist leader did in the entire period of the USSR's existence. The Soviet Union rested on illegality and the systemic violation of human and civil rights. If Khrushchev was wrong, then that's only because the USSR was wrong and should never have been created in the first place.

Unsurprisingly, there is no room in this narrative for the nation that Russian imperialism almost managed to annihilate -- the Crimean Tatars. Russia conquered the Crimean Tatar khanate in 1783. Afterward, the Russian authorities forced the Tatars out of their ancestral homeland and replaced them with settlers from Russia.

Tens of thousands of Tatars died or were killed; some two-thirds had to leave the Crimea. In 1944, the ethnic cleansing was completed when Stalin expelled the entire Crimean Tatar population -- about 200,000 people -- to Uzbekistan and some other Soviet regions. About half died on the way. It was only in the late 1980s that they began returning to their homeland to find that their land and their homes had been occupied by Russian settlers.

Instead, Putin primarily explains why Crimea matters to Russia: "The graves of Russian soldiers whose bravery brought Crimea into the Russian empire are also in Crimea. This is also Sevastopol -- a legendary city with an outstanding history, a fortress that serves as the birthplace of Russia's Black Sea Fleet ... symbolizing Russian military glory and outstanding valor."

And what of the Crimean Tatars? Here's Putin: "True, there was a time when Crimean Tatars were treated unfairly, just as a number of other peoples in the USSR. There is only one thing I can say here: Millions of people of various ethnicities suffered during those repressions, and primarily Russians."

The mendacity is astounding. The Crimean Tatars were not just "treated unfairly" by some vague force. They were subjected to genocide by a Russian totalitarian empire. Russians also "suffered," but the brunt of the suffering fell, as Yale historian Timothy Snyder describes in "Bloodlands," on Poles and Ukrainians.

 

[Syriusly]

Yeah- and Russia had nothing to do with the shooting down of the airliner in the Ukraine......

Really- you guys will believe anything the KGB tells you.

Yeah- and Russia had nothing to do with the shooting down of the airliner in the Ukraine......

Really- you guys will believe anything the KGB tells you.

Just an FYI. The Ukrainians in the past downed a Russian jet liner. They have a track record.

Now to Turkey. They have been funding al Nusra (AQ) in Syria and buying ISIS oil.

AND NATO has allowed it. Why would I believe anything from the White House AKA The Home of the Whopper when they've been caught out lying regularly?

And why would i believe anything from Putin or Russia when it has been caught lying before?

When?

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The first Big Lie is that Ukraine is such a cauldron of ethnic hatred and violence that Mother Russia was forced to intervene to rescue and protect Russian speakers from their extremist Ukrainian neighbors. False.

Ukrainians, be they first-language Russian or Ukrainian speakers (virtually all speak Russian), would shake their heads, just as would Bavarians when warned they are in danger of ethnic and racial violence at the hands of North Germans. On any stroll in Kiev or other cities, one hears more Russian than Ukrainian. Although the Russian media has likely scoured the record, there are no incidents of Ukrainian-on-Russian ethnic violence. There are no cases of Russian speakers in the east hiding in their cellars from the latest Ukrainian pogrom. Ukrainians do not feel hatred towards Russians. First-hand reports coming out of Ukraine say that Ukrainians, who had regarded Russians as friends and neighbors, for the first time regard them with a sense of loss as “others” (chuzhie).

Russia’s second Big Lie is that Ukraine’s East and South wish to join voluntarily their Russian brethren in a united Russia. False.

Putin cites his Levada Institute polls as proof of the admiration he enjoys among his people. He should therefore accept the results of a scientific poll of more than 2,000 Ukrainian citizens taken during the worst of the Maidan demonstrations, when separatist tendencies would have been inflamed, but before the Russian invasion ignited anti-Russian sentiment. The highly professional poll shows an overwhelming majority of Ukrainian citizens want Russia only as a friendly neighbor with open borders and no visas. Some 12.5 percent want Russia and Ukraine as one country, reaching a high of twenty percent in the East and 25 percent in the Crimean south. An unoccupied Ukraine would not voluntarily join the corrupt and dysfunctional Russia. The Maidan revolution offers a fresh start with a chance of becoming part of law-abiding and prosperous Europe.

The new prime minister of Crimea – installed by the Russian occupation to preside over Crimea’s annexation — is one Sergei “The Goblin” Aksyonov, a purported member of the Crimean underworld, whose pro-Russian party won a whopping four percent of the votes in the last regional elections. Now he purports to represent all Crimea as he barrels through the Crimea with his escort of AK-47-toting Russians (Excuse me, I meant to say Crimean self-defense troops).

The third Big Lie is that the Maidan demonstrators were not ordinary people venting against corruption and mismanagement, but vile, extreme nationalists, anti Semites, and Nazis paid and trained by Hillary Clinton and John Kerry. Having driven out the legitimate president of Ukraine, extremists are poised to take the Ukrainian presidency and parliament. Two presidential candidate hail from the far right. Poor Russia had no choice but to intervene. False.

 

[tinydancer]

Yeah- and Russia had nothing to do with the shooting down of the airliner in the Ukraine......

Really- you guys will believe anything the KGB tells you.

Yeah- and Russia had nothing to do with the shooting down of the airliner in the Ukraine......

Really- you guys will believe anything the KGB tells you.

Just an FYI. The Ukrainians in the past downed a Russian jet liner. They have a track record.

Now to Turkey. They have been funding al Nusra (AQ) in Syria and buying ISIS oil.

AND NATO has allowed it. Why would I believe anything from the White House AKA The Home of the Whopper when they've been caught out lying regularly?

And why would i believe anything from Putin or Russia when it has been caught lying before?

When?

{{meta.title}}

The first Big Lie is that Ukraine is such a cauldron of ethnic hatred and violence that Mother Russia was forced to intervene to rescue and protect Russian speakers from their extremist Ukrainian neighbors. False.

Ukrainians, be they first-language Russian or Ukrainian speakers (virtually all speak Russian), would shake their heads, just as would Bavarians when warned they are in danger of ethnic and racial violence at the hands of North Germans. On any stroll in Kiev or other cities, one hears more Russian than Ukrainian. Although the Russian media has likely scoured the record, there are no incidents of Ukrainian-on-Russian ethnic violence. There are no cases of Russian speakers in the east hiding in their cellars from the latest Ukrainian pogrom. Ukrainians do not feel hatred towards Russians. First-hand reports coming out of Ukraine say that Ukrainians, who had regarded Russians as friends and neighbors, for the first time regard them with a sense of loss as “others” (chuzhie).

Russia’s second Big Lie is that Ukraine’s East and South wish to join voluntarily their Russian brethren in a united Russia. False.

Putin cites his Levada Institute polls as proof of the admiration he enjoys among his people. He should therefore accept the results of a scientific poll of more than 2,000 Ukrainian citizens taken during the worst of the Maidan demonstrations, when separatist tendencies would have been inflamed, but before the Russian invasion ignited anti-Russian sentiment. The highly professional poll shows an overwhelming majority of Ukrainian citizens want Russia only as a friendly neighbor with open borders and no visas. Some 12.5 percent want Russia and Ukraine as one country, reaching a high of twenty percent in the East and 25 percent in the Crimean south. An unoccupied Ukraine would not voluntarily join the corrupt and dysfunctional Russia. The Maidan revolution offers a fresh start with a chance of becoming part of law-abiding and prosperous Europe.

The new prime minister of Crimea – installed by the Russian occupation to preside over Crimea’s annexation — is one Sergei “The Goblin” Aksyonov, a purported member of the Crimean underworld, whose pro-Russian party won a whopping four percent of the votes in the last regional elections. Now he purports to represent all Crimea as he barrels through the Crimea with his escort of AK-47-toting Russians (Excuse me, I meant to say Crimean self-defense troops).

The third Big Lie is that the Maidan demonstrators were not ordinary people venting against corruption and mismanagement, but vile, extreme nationalists, anti Semites, and Nazis paid and trained by Hillary Clinton and John Kerry. Having driven out the legitimate president of Ukraine, extremists are poised to take the Ukrainian presidency and parliament. Two presidential candidate hail from the far right. Poor Russia had no choice but to intervene. False.

Kiev and the west are nazi lovers. To this day they worship Stepan Bandera. I'm of Western Ukrainian descent. I am very aware of the history of the Ukraine and what happened with the overthrow of the government with EU and NATO backing.

They detest any and all individuals with Russian heritage. They are racist and Nazi lovers. I cannot blame Crimea and the Eastern Ukraine wanting to get as far away from Kiev as possible.