Putin Strikes Back : airstrikes Turkish convoy

[ChrisL]

While I'm not an Obama fan by any stretch, I have to say it is quite discouraging reading the posts on this forum. I mean really, you disagree with Obama's policies, you don't like him, whatever, but the constant "Hussein is a terrorist", "I hate Hussein", "he is a Muslim and going to invoke Sharia law in America" bullshit really gets kind of old and fucking boring. Somebody has to stand up and be an adult and say enough with the partisan bull and bickering and let's come back down to earth and look at things like a sane person!!! None of these things help us and they don't help the situation at all!

Your partisanship is not a good enough reason for me to want to sacrifice my child in some stupid war, that is FOR SURE. I'm sure there are other more effective things we can do than go through another stupid useless war where we lose a lot and gain virtually NOTHING.

Since when have I stated that I want your son to go die in Syria.................................

Partisan..........................If I'm a radical American for saying enough of the Obama policy there then so be it...................His meddling has allowed this Genocide to continue............................They are dying their daily...............ISIS is a brutal group of scum bags.............the whole world has VOWED TO KILL THEM..............

Then stop playing games and do it................funding them or not taking out their Strategic areas of operation sure isn't how to fight the War........nor is allowing supplies and forces to join them via Turkey........................

I'm opposed to our position in Syria...............It's BS........................I want ISIS gone and the dammed mess to end...........I really don't care who takes them out.........

If that makes me PARTISAN THEN SO BE IT..........................I'm not the only one saying it over here...............

Well, like I said before, I'm not sure of your personal feelings on the matter, so that is why I didn't address the post to you personally. It was just more or less an observation I was making after reading some posts. Sorry if you took that personally, it was not meant to be a personal comment directed at anyone in particular.

 

[ChrisL]

MY loyalty is with the United States, no matter WHO my president is.

Well thank you..............I swore an oath stating the same.......................did 10 years and served over there...............

The Oath is against our enemies FOREIGN OR DOMESTIC.....................right now...............the Liar N chief is fighting ISIS ON ONE HAND............And supporting them in the other......................

Which HAND am I supposed to bow to............................neither...................

I don't know if you are aware of this, but this is what the US ALWAYS does. That is why I am opposed to us being involved. Our track record of making good decisions as of late is rather tarnished. We have a lot on our plate as it is, and I don't see why we cannot just let somebody else handle things for a change. How does that harm us?

 

[eagle1462010]

My personal feelings are ISIS gone.................PERIOD..............No more BS.............and if we can get out of the way of Russia then let them do it.........No problem with that................

To that point...............Turkey needs to stop supplying them............and our sending in arms and supplies needs to end as well.

 

[ChrisL]

Believe me, I got tired of hearing it about Bush when was president too. I've never seen anything make people behave like a bunch of children in a sandbox throwing dirt bombs at each other than politics (myself included sometimes of course). My grandfather said to me once that if you want to keep your friends, you never talk about politics or religion.

 

[eagle1462010]

MY loyalty is with the United States, no matter WHO my president is.

Well thank you..............I swore an oath stating the same.......................did 10 years and served over there...............

The Oath is against our enemies FOREIGN OR DOMESTIC.....................right now...............the Liar N chief is fighting ISIS ON ONE HAND............And supporting them in the other......................

Which HAND am I supposed to bow to............................neither...................

I don't know if you are aware of this, but this is what the US ALWAYS does. That is why I am opposed to us being involved. Our track record of making good decisions as of late is rather tarnished. We have a lot on our plate as it is, and I don't see why we cannot just let somebody else handle things for a change. How does that harm us?

How many times on numerous thread have I said let the Russians do it if that gets us out......................Oh but that makes me pro Russian......................I'm anti ISIS.................and I don't care who kills them.................

How do we do that when we are funding the enemy..........allowing our NATO ally to supply them.........and placing ROE's on our forces to limit attacks on their money making machine.

 

[ChrisL]

MY loyalty is with the United States, no matter WHO my president is.

Well thank you..............I swore an oath stating the same.......................did 10 years and served over there...............

The Oath is against our enemies FOREIGN OR DOMESTIC.....................right now...............the Liar N chief is fighting ISIS ON ONE HAND............And supporting them in the other......................

Which HAND am I supposed to bow to............................neither...................

I don't know if you are aware of this, but this is what the US ALWAYS does. That is why I am opposed to us being involved. Our track record of making good decisions as of late is rather tarnished. We have a lot on our plate as it is, and I don't see why we cannot just let somebody else handle things for a change. How does that harm us?

How many times on numerous thread have I said let the Russians do it if that gets us out......................Oh but that makes me pro Russian......................I'm anti ISIS.................and I don't care who kills them.................

How do we do that when we are funding the enemy..........allowing our NATO ally to supply them.........and placing ROE's on our forces to limit attacks on their money making machine.

That's why I keep saying we should have nothing to do with that part of the world. It's like poison or something. We don't NEED them. We don't. If they don't want to become part of the civilized world, fine. Let them destroy one another. That's how I feel about the whole thing. Just tired of it all.

 

[ChrisL]

Heck, certain civilizations go "extinct" for a reason, because they cannot adapt and change. Let them go extinct by constantly warring with one another. It is just the circle of life, I think. I don't see any reason why we should be involved in that medieval shit hole we call the "Middle East", honestly.

 

[Likkmee]

MY loyalty is with the United States, no matter WHO my president is.

Well thank you..............I swore an oath stating the same.......................did 10 years and served over there...............

The Oath is against our enemies FOREIGN OR DOMESTIC.....................right now...............the Liar N chief is fighting ISIS ON ONE HAND............And supporting them in the other......................

Which HAND am I supposed to bow to............................neither...................

Then you didn't uphold your oath.You were protecting corpora-terror while under the illusion of defending freedom(DeFunding FreeDumb). Maybe next time they'll tell you unemployable morons to attack New Zealand. The weather is better for flag waving there.

 

[eagle1462010]

MY loyalty is with the United States, no matter WHO my president is.

Well thank you..............I swore an oath stating the same.......................did 10 years and served over there...............

The Oath is against our enemies FOREIGN OR DOMESTIC.....................right now...............the Liar N chief is fighting ISIS ON ONE HAND............And supporting them in the other......................

Which HAND am I supposed to bow to............................neither...................

Then you didn't uphold your oath.You were protecting corpora-terror while under the illusion of defending freedom(DeFunding FreeDumb). Maybe next time they'll tell you unemployable morons to attack New Zealand. The weather is better for flag waving there.

Whatever floats your boat..............I served under Reagan, Bush Sr., and Clinton.................been in that region several times back then.................
Tanker Escort Missions during the Iran/Iraq War..............
Desert Storm............
Somalia..............
Team spirit Korea.........
Anti Drug ops near Columbia.................

How did I violate my oath to this country?

 

[ChrisL]

MY loyalty is with the United States, no matter WHO my president is.

Well thank you..............I swore an oath stating the same.......................did 10 years and served over there...............

The Oath is against our enemies FOREIGN OR DOMESTIC.....................right now...............the Liar N chief is fighting ISIS ON ONE HAND............And supporting them in the other......................

Which HAND am I supposed to bow to............................neither...................

Then you didn't uphold your oath.You were protecting corpora-terror while under the illusion of defending freedom(DeFunding FreeDumb). Maybe next time they'll tell you unemployable morons to attack New Zealand. The weather is better for flag waving there.

Whatever floats your boat..............I served under Reagan, Bush Sr., and Clinton.................been in that region several times back then.................
Tanker Escort Missions during the Iran/Iraq War..............
Desert Storm............
Somalia..............
Team spirit Korea.........
Anti Drug ops near Columbia.................

How did I violate my oath to this country?

Thank you for your service!

 

[tyroneweaver]

Heck, certain civilizations go "extinct" for a reason, because they cannot adapt and change. Let them go extinct by constantly warring with one another. It is just the circle of life, I think. I don't see any reason why we should be involved in that medieval shit hole we call the "Middle East", honestly.

The dems on this forum appear not to like us there either. But they can't blame zero, so they blame the gop. Despite the man crush barry has on asaad as well as putin.

 

[ChrisL]

Heck, certain civilizations go "extinct" for a reason, because they cannot adapt and change. Let them go extinct by constantly warring with one another. It is just the circle of life, I think. I don't see any reason why we should be involved in that medieval shit hole we call the "Middle East", honestly.

The dems on this forum appear not to like us there either. But they can't blame zero, so they blame the gop. Despite the man crush barry has on asaad as well as putin.

Both sides have been guilty of getting involved in things they probably shouldn't have. I don't think either party has "clean hands" in all of this crap. But, we always hear that we shouldn't get involved, until we do get involved . . . and then the excuses follow. I just don't see any good coming from us getting involved. We can help kill some terrorists, sure, but at what cost to us, in the long run too? We can "control" them for a while maybe by chasing them around, but for how long are we going to have to do this, and meanwhile our sons and daughters die, and for what??

The only way to really control the problem would be to occupy these nations, and that gets expensive! Not to mention, people would freak about it, and there would be even MORE terrorists.

 

[ChrisL]

I don't know. It just seems to me that the more we get involved in this stuff, the worse off we come out of it, and it seems to just perpetuate the cycle. Time for a new approach. Past time.

 

[Synthaholic]

Last time I heard..............the CNC is a Democrat

What's a CNC? Is that anything like a CiC?

If so, still doesn't answer my question: What does Obama have to do with it? Is he the daddy? Are we the world's policemen?

 

[eagle1462010]

Last time I heard..............the CNC is a Democrat

What's a CNC? Is that anything like a CiC?

If so, still doesn't answer my question: What does Obama have to do with it? Is he the daddy? Are we the world's policemen?

CIC.....cry me a river.

Under Obama we fund ISIS.......put that in your pipe and smoke it.

 

[Synthaholic]

Go Russia go!!!! I hope they pound turkey and kill everything that crosses into syria from their.

Where did that come from? Look at your sig line, how you going to spend 100 billion on NASA if you give the paleo-cons real justification to expand defense spending? It was 3 minutes to midnight before this new escalation.

I want America to stay out of it..That's how.

Keep dreaming...........You hear what these guys are saying, everybody's clamoring for war. An endless war just got longer.
Jeb Bush ;
When asked if he would put “boots on the ground” in Syria, Bush responded emphatically.

“Absolutely. And it ought to be designed by our military without their hands tied,” he said, adding that he would also push for a no-fly zone over Syria and arm the Kurdish Peshmerga forces in Iraq.

“This is a threat to Western civilization. There's no way to deny this,” Bush said. “And containing ISIS isn't going to work.”

Lindsey Graham;
South Carolina Sen. Lindsey Graham was even more direct with his policy prescription, warning of another “9/11 … coming from Syria” if the U.S. doesn’t take significant new military action in the region.

“You’re only going to win this war if you go on offense,” the Republican lawmaker said on CNN’s “State of the Union.” “There’s a 9/11 coming and it’s coming from Syria if we don’t disrupt their operations coming from Syria.”

“Without American boots on the ground in Syria and Iraq, we’re going to be hit at home,” Graham warned before suggesting that France lead the fight.

“I hope the French will invoke Article 5,” Graham said on Sunday. “They should — the world should be at war with ISIL.”

I could go on and on but you know the score, and the danger.

Scare tactics. Nothing has changed for US since the French terror attacks. Why everyone seems to want to jump into a war over this, I can't say. Obviously, this is what the terrorists want. They want us to go over there and fight them. I say, we ignore them. Just put a nix on anyone immigrating from that part of the world, at least for the time being. The threat is real, and I think we should take it seriously but I don't see any justification for the United States to act any more except for a supportive role to our allies who happen to be involved.

As far as the Turkey/Russia situation, we should just stay out of it, IMO.

We can't stay out of that as we have a base their and are conducting air strikes from various bases in Turkey.......

A long while back I stated we need to rethink having bases in Turkey......primarily because of Turkey moving towards the Dark Side of Islam.......Their current leader made campaign promises to retake Jerusalem.......................and said he wanted to unite the Muslims into his version of the Caliphate..........aka the return of the Ottoman Empire................

With this going on............we need to get our people out of that country.........and decide whether they should be part of NATO anymore.

I agree with you about Erdogan. I have been warning about him for 8 years, at least.

I disagree about our bases in Incirlik and elsewhere. They are vital to U.S. security interests. And Putin will not bomb a U.S. base.

 

[Synthaholic]

Erdoğan: What now, Barry? Any more great ideas?

You think the Islamist dictator of Türkiye takes orders from the President of the United States of America?

 

[Synthaholic]

Military News Briefs | Talking Proud

The Russians said they were not sending ground forces to Syria. They lied. Anyone who saw the tanks and artillery come in weeks ago knew those weapons required ground forces. The Wall Street Journal now reports that the Russians have sent in a battalion-size force to handle these weapons. I expect Russia has already inserted ground infantry forces as well, but we need to get some confirmation. If they have not yet arrived, I would bet they will soon. Russia also launched 26 medium-range cruise missiles from ships on the Caspian Sea in support of an Assad Army push in the north (photo applies). The missiles flew through Iraqi airspace without approvals. However, US defense officials have said as many as four of the missiles crashed in Iran. The Russians dispute this claim. Russian air attacks continue, some against ISS, most against anti-Assad forces or in support of Assad forces on the move. Furthermore, Fox News has reported Russian fighters have intercepted and shadowed US drones over Syria on at least three occasions. The fighters practiced intercept tactics though they did not attempt a shoot-down. Russia has also sent Mi-24 gunships and transport helicopters to Homs along with rocket launchers and Russian marines. Fox News suggests the Russians are forming a protective ring around their air base at Latakia which also serves as an Assad stronghold. (100715)

Iranian forces pouring into Syria

Iranian forces are pouring into Syria, landing in Damascus, being transported to Latakia, and then deploying to the field to fight against anti-Assad forces, using Russian air cover. Experts estimate there have been about 1,500 Iranian fighters already there, and the rate of arrivals is rising. The Iranian-supported Hezbollah has also been sending in the fresh troops for the same purpose. Look for a major offensive in Aleppo province soon. Such an offensive will come dangerously close to Turkey. A host of groups, pro and anti Assad along with ISIS are in various pockets of Aleppo City, but anti-Assad forces hold much of the province. One Iranian general has already been killed advising government forces in Aleppo. (101415)

Praise Allah, ISIS is contained

They are, in exactly the way that President Obama (praise be unto Him!) stated.

 

[Synthaholic]

Military News Briefs | Talking Proud

The Russians said they were not sending ground forces to Syria. They lied. Anyone who saw the tanks and artillery come in weeks ago knew those weapons required ground forces. The Wall Street Journal now reports that the Russians have sent in a battalion-size force to handle these weapons. I expect Russia has already inserted ground infantry forces as well, but we need to get some confirmation. If they have not yet arrived, I would bet they will soon. Russia also launched 26 medium-range cruise missiles from ships on the Caspian Sea in support of an Assad Army push in the north (photo applies). The missiles flew through Iraqi airspace without approvals. However, US defense officials have said as many as four of the missiles crashed in Iran. The Russians dispute this claim. Russian air attacks continue, some against ISS, most against anti-Assad forces or in support of Assad forces on the move. Furthermore, Fox News has reported Russian fighters have intercepted and shadowed US drones over Syria on at least three occasions. The fighters practiced intercept tactics though they did not attempt a shoot-down. Russia has also sent Mi-24 gunships and transport helicopters to Homs along with rocket launchers and Russian marines. Fox News suggests the Russians are forming a protective ring around their air base at Latakia which also serves as an Assad stronghold. (100715)

Iranian forces pouring into Syria

Iranian forces are pouring into Syria, landing in Damascus, being transported to Latakia, and then deploying to the field to fight against anti-Assad forces, using Russian air cover. Experts estimate there have been about 1,500 Iranian fighters already there, and the rate of arrivals is rising. The Iranian-supported Hezbollah has also been sending in the fresh troops for the same purpose. Look for a major offensive in Aleppo province soon. Such an offensive will come dangerously close to Turkey. A host of groups, pro and anti Assad along with ISIS are in various pockets of Aleppo City, but anti-Assad forces hold much of the province. One Iranian general has already been killed advising government forces in Aleppo. (101415)

Praise Allah, ISIS is contained

Please continue with your meaning there.............

He has no meaning. Wingnuts never do.

 

[Synthaholic]

Turkish border.

I don't know how anyone can identify the players at this point.

A pretty wide swath of the Middle East has deteriorated into a borderless, lawless, leaderless shit hole.
.

It's actually not that difficult if you know Turkish history, and the history of Hatay and the French Syria, partitioned after WWI. A good analogy that I read was Mexico, Texas, and the U.S.

Edit to add: Here's a good primer:

Syria’s “Lost Province”: The Hatay Question Returns