Putin kills 298 people while r-wingers admire him here and elect him President.

[CrusaderFrank]

Fascists are left wingers.

Fail

 

[Vigilante]

That must make you a r-wing commie-lover thug.

Get some new material, Kiddie. Your oneliners are getting more worn out then the race card.

Hell no I won't stop. I'm having to much fun. You commie-lovers haven't seen anything yet. The more you support and show admiration for Putin, the stronger I get. You pinkos asked for it and your going to get it un-relentlessly. What goes around comes around my comrade friend.

You've called us socialists/anti Americans and communists for years/decades now so now it's our turn to return the favor. Guilt by association is your specialty so now it's in reverse.

Got it? You anti-American commie-lovers!

LOL... and I love it!

Certainly sounds like we have an anti-American commie-lover....

 

[gipper]

Putin is without doubt, a ruthless dictator, but even he is not so dumb to shoot down a civilian jetliner.

On the other hand, the shoot down has the look of a false flag event made notorious by our CIA.

This is as good a theory as any....

The Russians and New Russians have no reason in the world to shoot down a Malaysian jet airliner and every reason not to do so.

It is at this point possible there was some kind of stupid mistaken firing, but, given the difficulty of hitting the plane at the altitude and speed with the equipment available to them, this is very unlikely.

The Black Flag U.S. downing of the plane FOR THE PURPOSE OF UNLEASHING AN IMMENSE, STAGED MEDIA PROPAGANDA ASSAULT ON RUSSIA AND THE NEW RUSSIANS is obviously a serious possibility and would be easy for the U.S. to do, though it runs the risk of being exposed by Russian electronic tracking–and that may be what we are seeing right now.

Another possibility seems more likely.

We have to remember that THIS IS THE SECOND PASSENGER JET OF MALAYSIAN AIRLINES TO BE VERY MYSTERIOUSLY DOWNED IN JUST FOUR MONTHS, SOMETHING THAT HAS NOT HAPPENED IN PEACE TIME EVER BEFORE FOR ANY AIRLINE OVER THE ENTIRE LIFE TIMES OF AIRLINES, AS FAR AS I KNOW.

WE MUST ALSO REMEMBER THAT MALAYSIA HAS FOR MANY YEARS BEEN BUILDING CLOSE RELATIONS WITH CHINA AND HAS BEEN THE FOREMOST FRIEND OF CHINA IN S.E. ASIA, MAYBE IN ALL OF ASIA [EXCEPT NORHT KOREA, WHO IS NO ONE'S FRIEND].

The first Malaysian jet that disappeared had mostly Chinese passengers and about twenty electronics experts who had been working with China to develop electronics of value to China’s military and civilian industries. I argued at the time that an insider attack by the CIA to cause the plane to crash into the ocean [by computer or other malfunction or by a tiny bomb destroying vital parts] was an obvious possibility.

That jet loss led to the first serious rift between the Chinese government and Malaysian airlines and possibly Malaysia because of all the loss of the Chinese and the mess in handling it, not finding it.

Now another Malaysian jet has gone down, causing a tremendous rift between Malaysia and Europeans and providing a massive propaganda attack on Russia opportunity for the U.S.

I have been showing for many months that the U.S. IS A DYING EMPIRE THAT IS DESPERATELY TRYING TO WEAKEN OR DESTROY THE RUSSIA-CHINESE ALLIANCE, WHICH UNTIL RECENTLY INCLUDED MALAYSIA.

THESE TWO MYSTERIOUS DOWNINGS OF MALAYSIAN JETS HAVE BEEN REMARKABLY GOOD NEWS FOR THE U.S. GLOBAL EMPIRE IN ITS ATTACKS ON CHINA, RUSSIA AND THEIR ALLIES, SUCH AS MALAYSIA WHO HAS LONG REFUSED TO SUPPORT THE U..S. IN ITS “PIVOTING” TO ISOLATE AND SURROUND CHINA WITH U.S. PUPPET ENEMIES.

THESE MYSTERIOUS DOWNINGS OF MALAYSIAN PASSENGER JETS ARE PERFECT EXAMPLES OF THE KIND OF DREAM BLACK FLAG ATTACKS THE CIA HAS PROPOSED OVER THE DECADES.

THIS WHOLE THING LOOKS LIKE A CIA DREAM COME TRUE.
CIA Dream Come True? ? LewRockwell.com

 

[Faun]

Boo, that was a negotiating tactic, like I mentioned in earlier posts.

You know how when you negotiate the price on a house and one side starts high and the other side starts low knowing they're going to meet in the middle.

That's the analogy.

If you google for awhile you can see that everyone from the Bush team (incl Bush) wanted to leave a residual force....McCain, Graham, Petraeus, Amb Corker, and other generals, diplomats and legislators that were part of the Bush team.

What HE (his team) wrote was not binding and he knew it because he knew he'd be out of office.

Of course it was binding. Bush would have agreed to residual force if the Iragis had agreed to the immunity part of the deal. Obama tried until late 2011 to get the Iraqi to agree to immunity. They didn't, and no amount of negotiating was going to change their mind.

Except the negotiating that came two weeks ago! Point, set, match. You've been caught in a major contradiction.

When you say of course it was binding, that's like pretending lawyers never renegotiate anything, or judges never over turn, or diplomats never renegotiate.

You seem smarter than that, Boo.

It makes no sense to keep sitting here pretending that president Obama thinks that once he's out of office, whatever agreements he's drawn up in Afghanistan aren't subject to change after the new Prez comes in and does things his way.

I don't mind repeating this a certain amount of times for people who aren't used to being involved in negotiations or being in war-torn countries, but at some point it'll get tiring and folks will just have to re-read what I've been saying, instead of my typing it over and over.

Still ignoring the fact that circumstances have changed in Iraq since 2011, I see. Oh well, can't help you when you are so committed to remaining stupid.

 

[EconChick]

Of course it was binding. Bush would have agreed to residual force if the Iragis had agreed to the immunity part of the deal. Obama tried until late 2011 to get the Iraqi to agree to immunity. They didn't, and no amount of negotiating was going to change their mind.

Except the negotiating that came two weeks ago! Point, set, match. You've been caught in a major contradiction.

When you say of course it was binding, that's like pretending lawyers never renegotiate anything, or judges never over turn, or diplomats never renegotiate.

You seem smarter than that, Boo.

It makes no sense to keep sitting here pretending that president Obama thinks that once he's out of office, whatever agreements he's drawn up in Afghanistan aren't subject to change after the new Prez comes in and does things his way.

I don't mind repeating this a certain amount of times for people who aren't used to being involved in negotiations or being in war-torn countries, but at some point it'll get tiring and folks will just have to re-read what I've been saying, instead of my typing it over and over.

Still ignoring the fact that circumstances have changed in Iraq since 2011, I see. Oh well, can't help you when you are so committed to remaining stupid.

Yes, they HAVE changed. Just like everyone with a brain said it would. That's called having VISION, anticipating things before they happen, and doing something about it.

Unlike this campaigner-in-chief that couldn't manage a snowball stand.

 

[HUGGY]

AP's Matt Lee grills state department official who provides only social media as evidence of separatists committing shoot down of MH17.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQRvINebeok

The video showing the BUK platform vehicle being carried on a flat bed back through the Russian Border crossing minus a missle or two is an interesting piece of factual and timely evidense.

Although not PROOF one must wonder why this weapon would be transported back into Russia at this time.



If that includes you then by all means piss on you also.

That video has been debunked, that was filmed in Kiev held territory. Krasnoarmeisk has been in government control since May.

Key Piece of Video ?Evidence? for Russian Responsibility for Malaysian Plane Shootdown Debunked | Zero Hedge

Piss on you for supporting nazis and jewish oligarch mobsters who murder civilians in the East.

You are a liar and an ill informed moron.

If you knew the slightest thing about me and my posts involving Jew mobsters you would attempt to slap the stupid out of your thick skull.

The videos have not been debunked. That response is one that liars and thugs ALWAYS go to when faced with when undesputable evidense is recorded and shown to the world.

You are not at your favorite thug criminal enterprise forum now you Russian piece of shit. This is USMB.. the most honest political forum on the planet and you are grossly outmatched and overwhelmed.

Your credibility is non existant. Crawl back under your rock slime. This is where the big boys come to tell the truth. You have avoided the truth for so long you wouldn't recognise it if it slapped your bitch ass accross your lying Russian mouth.

I am VERY familiar with how thugs like YOU operate. I see people like you come to America all of the time with your lying criminal ways. It is ingrained in your DNA. You cannot help yourselves. THAT is why Russia has so much rampant criminality in your government and in your society.

You REALLY are disgusting people. What YOU take pride in civilized people reject.

Only a moron like you would point to the equally disgusting Jews when you are accused of criminality. Try owning up to what YOU are responsible for thug.. Just a thought. It isn't the Jews fault that you are a piece of shit...a liar and a criminal.

 

[RWHeathenGamer]

Western Media caught lying. Apparently, yesterday, the yellow western press published an interview of the separatist commander Alexander Khodakovsky, claiming he said he heard that other rebels had BUK systems. They ran with this and now this is the primary piece of proof, despite it being hearsay. Now Khodakovsky has come out and state Reuters lied about what he said and the video proves it.

Mish's Global Economic Trend Analysis: Reuters Debunked: Khodakovsky Denies Interview Aspects

 

[RWHeathenGamer]

The video showing the BUK platform vehicle being carried on a flat bed back through the Russian Border crossing minus a missle or two is an interesting piece of factual and timely evidense.

Although not PROOF one must wonder why this weapon would be transported back into Russia at this time.



If that includes you then by all means piss on you also.

That video has been debunked, that was filmed in Kiev held territory. Krasnoarmeisk has been in government control since May.

Key Piece of Video ?Evidence? for Russian Responsibility for Malaysian Plane Shootdown Debunked | Zero Hedge

Piss on you for supporting nazis and jewish oligarch mobsters who murder civilians in the East.

You are a liar and an ill informed moron.

If you knew the slightest thing about me and my posts involving Jew mobsters you would attempt to slap the stupid out of your thick skull.

The videos have not been debunked. That response is one that liars and thugs ALWAYS go to when faced with when undesputable evidense is recorded and shown to the world.

You are not at your favorite thug criminal enterprise forum now you Russian piece of shit. This is USMB.. the most honest political forum on the planet and you are grossly outmatched and overwhelmed.

Your credibility is non existant. Crawl back under your rock slime. This is where the big boys come to tell the truth. You have avoided the truth for so long you wouldn't recognise it if it slapped your bitch ass accross your lying Russian mouth.

I am VERY familiar with how thugs like YOU operate. I see people like you come to America all of the time with your lying criminal ways. It is ingrained in your DNA. You cannot help yourselves. THAT is why Russia has so much rampant criminality in your government and in your society.

You REALLY are disgusting people. What YOU take pride in civilized people reject.

Only a moron like you would point to the equally disgusting Jews when you are accused of criminality. Try owning up to what YOU are responsible for thug.. Just a thought. It isn't the Jews fault that you are a piece of shit...a liar and a criminal.

Looks like we have a Ukrainian costume nazi bitter about the tide of the war turning and of the inept Ukrainian parliament dissolving.
Meanwhile, Ukraine's Government Collapses, PM Yatsenyuk Resigns | Zero Hedge

And of course, like the Ukrainian government, he offers no facts, just vitriol, chauvinistic rhetoric, and lies

 

[RoadVirus]

That must make you a r-wing commie-lover thug.

Get some new material, Kiddie. Your oneliners are getting more worn out then the race card.

Hell no I won't stop. I'm having to much fun. You commie-lovers haven't seen anything yet. The more you support and show admiration for Putin, the stronger I get. You pinkos asked for it and your going to get it un-relentlessly. What goes around comes around my comrade friend.

You've called us socialists/anti Americans and communists for years/decades now so now it's our turn to return the favor. Guilt by association is your specialty so now it's in reverse.

Got it? You anti-American commie-lovers!

LOL... and I love it!

It's official: KidRocks has lost his mind.

 

[Camp]

Western Media caught lying. Apparently, yesterday, the yellow western press published an interview of the separatist commander Alexander Khodakovsky, claiming he said he heard that other rebels had BUK systems. They ran with this and now this is the primary piece of proof, despite it being hearsay. Now Khodakovsky has come out and state Reuters lied about what he said and the video proves it.

Mish's Global Economic Trend Analysis: Reuters Debunked: Khodakovsky Denies Interview Aspects

The Russian speaking people listening to this recording of the interview on Radio Free Europe can not be fooled. Some discrepancies occurred in the Reuter's translation, but they were minor and have been fixed. But this link is the actual recording and Russian speakers can hear the words and read the sub titles to see the only ones lying are the Russian propagandist and perhaps Khodakovsky as they and he try to back peddle the story and create doubt to non Russian speaking peoples. They have to decide who to believe about translation. Who do they trust. Maybe you know someone who is Russian that you can trust and they can translate this recording of Khodakovsky for you.

Commander Says Ukrainian Separatists Have Buk Missiles

 

[HUGGY]

That video has been debunked, that was filmed in Kiev held territory. Krasnoarmeisk has been in government control since May.

Key Piece of Video ?Evidence? for Russian Responsibility for Malaysian Plane Shootdown Debunked | Zero Hedge

Piss on you for supporting nazis and jewish oligarch mobsters who murder civilians in the East.

You are a liar and an ill informed moron.

If you knew the slightest thing about me and my posts involving Jew mobsters you would attempt to slap the stupid out of your thick skull.

The videos have not been debunked. That response is one that liars and thugs ALWAYS go to when faced with when undesputable evidense is recorded and shown to the world.

You are not at your favorite thug criminal enterprise forum now you Russian piece of shit. This is USMB.. the most honest political forum on the planet and you are grossly outmatched and overwhelmed.

Your credibility is non existant. Crawl back under your rock slime. This is where the big boys come to tell the truth. You have avoided the truth for so long you wouldn't recognise it if it slapped your bitch ass accross your lying Russian mouth.

I am VERY familiar with how thugs like YOU operate. I see people like you come to America all of the time with your lying criminal ways. It is ingrained in your DNA. You cannot help yourselves. THAT is why Russia has so much rampant criminality in your government and in your society.

You REALLY are disgusting people. What YOU take pride in civilized people reject.

Only a moron like you would point to the equally disgusting Jews when you are accused of criminality. Try owning up to what YOU are responsible for thug.. Just a thought. It isn't the Jews fault that you are a piece of shit...a liar and a criminal.

Looks like we have a Ukrainian costume nazi bitter about the tide of the war turning and of the inept Ukrainian parliament dissolving.
Meanwhile, Ukraine's Government Collapses, PM Yatsenyuk Resigns | Zero Hedge

And of course, like the Ukrainian government, he offers no facts, just vitriol, chauvinistic rhetoric, and lies

I couldn't care less about Ukraine or Russia. You people are cartoon-like clowns. I've met and worked with several dozen people from your part of the world. To a man and woman you are all dishonest and either outright criminals or scared rabbits that turn a blind eye to criminality.

It's no wonder you people have no character. The mass murder of most of your good people by Stalin.. the ethnic cleansings.. The political arrests under the Soviets. What character of society left after all that purging is the worst qualities one can imagine. It's a dog eat dog society of butt fuckers.. Tell on your neighbor commie. Tell on your family.

Do the USA a favor and stay the fuck off our shores. You polute our country.. yours is so poluted and stained by the blood of anyone that was ever worth spit that you all deserve the shithole you have created for yourselves.

How many of your women have YOU sold to be whores in Turkey?

The fact that you believe or even want to believe that Putin has no responsibility in the deployment of the BUK missles demonstrates the criminal mindset of you and your countrymen.

Russians are scum. You have purged everyone with character and respectability over the last hundred years and what is left are only low lifes such as yourself.

It's no wonder most of you are drunks and alcoholics. It's hard to live with yourself when you know the truth isn't it comrad. Better break out another bottle of vodka.

 

[Faun]

Except the negotiating that came two weeks ago! Point, set, match. You've been caught in a major contradiction.

When you say of course it was binding, that's like pretending lawyers never renegotiate anything, or judges never over turn, or diplomats never renegotiate.

You seem smarter than that, Boo.

It makes no sense to keep sitting here pretending that president Obama thinks that once he's out of office, whatever agreements he's drawn up in Afghanistan aren't subject to change after the new Prez comes in and does things his way.

I don't mind repeating this a certain amount of times for people who aren't used to being involved in negotiations or being in war-torn countries, but at some point it'll get tiring and folks will just have to re-read what I've been saying, instead of my typing it over and over.

Still ignoring the fact that circumstances have changed in Iraq since 2011, I see. Oh well, can't help you when you are so committed to remaining stupid.

Yes, they HAVE changed. Just like everyone with a brain said it would. That's called having VISION, anticipating things before they happen, and doing something about it.

Unlike this campaigner-in-chief that couldn't manage a snowball stand.

First of all, it's because the circumstances changed that the Iraqi's willingness to accept an immunity agreement changed, something which is beyond your limited comprehension -- and secondly, if everyone with a brain had the vision this would happen, then why did Bush decide to end the war? What happened to his own policy of "when the Iraqis stand up, we will stand down?"

 

[HUGGY]

Still ignoring the fact that circumstances have changed in Iraq since 2011, I see. Oh well, can't help you when you are so committed to remaining stupid.

Yes, they HAVE changed. Just like everyone with a brain said it would. That's called having VISION, anticipating things before they happen, and doing something about it.

Unlike this campaigner-in-chief that couldn't manage a snowball stand.

First of all, it's because the circumstances changed that the Iraqi's willingness to accept an immunity agreement changed, something which is beyond your limited comprehension -- and secondly, if everyone with a brain had the vision this would happen, then why did Bush decide to end the war? What happened to his own policy of "when the Iraqis stand up, we will stand down?"

Don't expect Bush to ever get on a talk show and repeat that. He will NEVER take any responsibility for what he did and didn't do...At least not when there is a chance that stupid people that vote against their own best interests will willingly lay the blame of all things Iraq at the feet of Obama.

Lying has never been a problem for the NewChristianFascists.

 

[R.C. Christian]

The last time I checked we didn't know who was responsible and probably never will.

 

[RWHeathenGamer]

Western Media caught lying. Apparently, yesterday, the yellow western press published an interview of the separatist commander Alexander Khodakovsky, claiming he said he heard that other rebels had BUK systems. They ran with this and now this is the primary piece of proof, despite it being hearsay. Now Khodakovsky has come out and state Reuters lied about what he said and the video proves it.

Mish's Global Economic Trend Analysis: Reuters Debunked: Khodakovsky Denies Interview Aspects

The Russian speaking people listening to this recording of the interview on Radio Free Europe can not be fooled. Some discrepancies occurred in the Reuter's translation, but they were minor and have been fixed. But this link is the actual recording and Russian speakers can hear the words and read the sub titles to see the only ones lying are the Russian propagandist and perhaps Khodakovsky as they and he try to back peddle the story and create doubt to non Russian speaking peoples. They have to decide who to believe about translation. Who do they trust. Maybe you know someone who is Russian that you can trust and they can translate this recording of Khodakovsky for you.

Commander Says Ukrainian Separatists Have Buk Missiles

Here is Khodakosky explaining what he said. Don't let neocon/neolib hawks like Camp discourage you from learning the truth and fall prey to their disinfo.

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"We discussed versions [different possibilities]... But through all of that, there ran a red line with one simple phrase: That I don't have information on the presence of that type of weapon amongst the militia" declared Aleksandr Khodakovsky in an interview with the TV channel Russia Today.

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Additionally, he told the TV channel RT that he has a video recording of the interview which he can present from his end, in order to prove that he did not speak to the agency [Reuters] about the presence of air defense systems amongst the militia.

Even if you are to except the Reuters version, it is so full of contradictions

Damning Contradictions

Khodakovsky neither admitted nor denied the rebels had Buks. Once again, here is the damning contradiction as I presented earlier.


"Khodakovsky said his unit had never possessed BUKs, but they may have been used by rebels from other units."

Now look back at the opening Reuters lead-in: "Alexander Khodakovsky, commander of the Vostok Battalion, acknowledged ... the rebels did possess the BUK missile system and said it could have been sent back subsequently to remove proof of its presence."

Here is the major contradiction: "What resources our partners have, we cannot be entirely certain. Was there (a BUK)? Wasn&#8217;t there? If there was proof that there was, then there can be no question."

Khodakovsky never saw a Buk. Here is the precise statement as reported by Reuters: "That BUK I know about. I heard about it."

http://globaleconomicanalysis.blogspot.com/2014/07/ukraine-rebel-commander-admits-having.html

Mish's Global Economic Trend Analysis: Reuters Debunked: Khodakovsky Denies Interview Aspects

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[RWHeathenGamer]

You are a liar and an ill informed moron.

If you knew the slightest thing about me and my posts involving Jew mobsters you would attempt to slap the stupid out of your thick skull.

The videos have not been debunked. That response is one that liars and thugs ALWAYS go to when faced with when undesputable evidense is recorded and shown to the world.

You are not at your favorite thug criminal enterprise forum now you Russian piece of shit. This is USMB.. the most honest political forum on the planet and you are grossly outmatched and overwhelmed.

Your credibility is non existant. Crawl back under your rock slime. This is where the big boys come to tell the truth. You have avoided the truth for so long you wouldn't recognise it if it slapped your bitch ass accross your lying Russian mouth.

I am VERY familiar with how thugs like YOU operate. I see people like you come to America all of the time with your lying criminal ways. It is ingrained in your DNA. You cannot help yourselves. THAT is why Russia has so much rampant criminality in your government and in your society.

You REALLY are disgusting people. What YOU take pride in civilized people reject.

Only a moron like you would point to the equally disgusting Jews when you are accused of criminality. Try owning up to what YOU are responsible for thug.. Just a thought. It isn't the Jews fault that you are a piece of shit...a liar and a criminal.

Looks like we have a Ukrainian costume nazi bitter about the tide of the war turning and of the inept Ukrainian parliament dissolving.
Meanwhile, Ukraine's Government Collapses, PM Yatsenyuk Resigns | Zero Hedge

And of course, like the Ukrainian government, he offers no facts, just vitriol, chauvinistic rhetoric, and lies

I couldn't care less about Ukraine or Russia. You people are cartoon-like clowns. I've met and worked with several dozen people from your part of the world. To a man and woman you are all dishonest and either outright criminals or scared rabbits that turn a blind eye to criminality.

It's no wonder you people have no character. The mass murder of most of your good people by Stalin.. the ethnic cleansings.. The political arrests under the Soviets. What character of society left after all that purging is the worst qualities one can imagine. It's a dog eat dog society of butt fuckers.. Tell on your neighbor commie. Tell on your family.

Do the USA a favor and stay the fuck off our shores. You polute our country.. yours is so poluted and stained by the blood of anyone that was ever worth spit that you all deserve the shithole you have created for yourselves.

How many of your women have YOU sold to be whores in Turkey?

The fact that you believe or even want to believe that Putin has no responsibility in the deployment of the BUK missles demonstrates the criminal mindset of you and your countrymen.

Russians are scum. You have purged everyone with character and respectability over the last hundred years and what is left are only low lifes such as yourself.

It's no wonder most of you are drunks and alcoholics. It's hard to live with yourself when you know the truth isn't it comrad. Better break out another bottle of vodka.

LOL someone has their feathers ruffled.

I am not even Russian.

But what's your beef with them. Did they arrest your gay boyfriend or something for disseminating porn to Russian minors?

 

[Camp]

Western Media caught lying. Apparently, yesterday, the yellow western press published an interview of the separatist commander Alexander Khodakovsky, claiming he said he heard that other rebels had BUK systems. They ran with this and now this is the primary piece of proof, despite it being hearsay. Now Khodakovsky has come out and state Reuters lied about what he said and the video proves it.

Mish's Global Economic Trend Analysis: Reuters Debunked: Khodakovsky Denies Interview Aspects

The Russian speaking people listening to this recording of the interview on Radio Free Europe can not be fooled. Some discrepancies occurred in the Reuter's translation, but they were minor and have been fixed. But this link is the actual recording and Russian speakers can hear the words and read the sub titles to see the only ones lying are the Russian propagandist and perhaps Khodakovsky as they and he try to back peddle the story and create doubt to non Russian speaking peoples. They have to decide who to believe about translation. Who do they trust. Maybe you know someone who is Russian that you can trust and they can translate this recording of Khodakovsky for you.

Commander Says Ukrainian Separatists Have Buk Missiles

Here is Khodakosky explaining what he said. Don't let neocon/neolib hawks like Camp discourage you from learning the truth and fall prey to their disinfo.

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"We discussed versions [different possibilities]... But through all of that, there ran a red line with one simple phrase: That I don't have information on the presence of that type of weapon amongst the militia" declared Aleksandr Khodakovsky in an interview with the TV channel Russia Today.

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Additionally, he told the TV channel RT that he has a video recording of the interview which he can present from his end, in order to prove that he did not speak to the agency [Reuters] about the presence of air defense systems amongst the militia.

Even if you are to except the Reuters version, it is so full of contradictions

Damning Contradictions

Khodakovsky neither admitted nor denied the rebels had Buks. Once again, here is the damning contradiction as I presented earlier.


"Khodakovsky said his unit had never possessed BUKs, but they may have been used by rebels from other units."

Now look back at the opening Reuters lead-in: "Alexander Khodakovsky, commander of the Vostok Battalion, acknowledged ... the rebels did possess the BUK missile system and said it could have been sent back subsequently to remove proof of its presence."

Here is the major contradiction: "What resources our partners have, we cannot be entirely certain. Was there (a BUK)? Wasn’t there? If there was proof that there was, then there can be no question."

Khodakovsky never saw a Buk. Here is the precise statement as reported by Reuters: "That BUK I know about. I heard about it."

Mish's Global Economic Trend Analysis: Ukraine Rebel Commander Admits Having BUK Missiles; Damning Contradictions?

Mish's Global Economic Trend Analysis: Reuters Debunked: Khodakovsky Denies Interview Aspects

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What is with the ??????????? You send people to old Russian Information Agency now called RIA Novosti. Just a story telling same one you told. Of course. Did you read it. Even that story Khodakovsky admits to saying he knew about anit aircraft weapons, just does not want to confirm they were buks.

 

[RWHeathenGamer]

The Russian speaking people listening to this recording of the interview on Radio Free Europe can not be fooled. Some discrepancies occurred in the Reuter's translation, but they were minor and have been fixed. But this link is the actual recording and Russian speakers can hear the words and read the sub titles to see the only ones lying are the Russian propagandist and perhaps Khodakovsky as they and he try to back peddle the story and create doubt to non Russian speaking peoples. They have to decide who to believe about translation. Who do they trust. Maybe you know someone who is Russian that you can trust and they can translate this recording of Khodakovsky for you.

Commander Says Ukrainian Separatists Have Buk Missiles

Here is Khodakosky explaining what he said. Don't let neocon/neolib hawks like Camp discourage you from learning the truth and fall prey to their disinfo.

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"We discussed versions [different possibilities]... But through all of that, there ran a red line with one simple phrase: That I don't have information on the presence of that type of weapon amongst the militia" declared Aleksandr Khodakovsky in an interview with the TV channel Russia Today.

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Additionally, he told the TV channel RT that he has a video recording of the interview which he can present from his end, in order to prove that he did not speak to the agency [Reuters] about the presence of air defense systems amongst the militia.

Even if you are to except the Reuters version, it is so full of contradictions

Damning Contradictions

Khodakovsky neither admitted nor denied the rebels had Buks. Once again, here is the damning contradiction as I presented earlier.


"Khodakovsky said his unit had never possessed BUKs, but they may have been used by rebels from other units."

Now look back at the opening Reuters lead-in: "Alexander Khodakovsky, commander of the Vostok Battalion, acknowledged ... the rebels did possess the BUK missile system and said it could have been sent back subsequently to remove proof of its presence."

Here is the major contradiction: "What resources our partners have, we cannot be entirely certain. Was there (a BUK)? Wasn&#8217;t there? If there was proof that there was, then there can be no question."

Khodakovsky never saw a Buk. Here is the precise statement as reported by Reuters: "That BUK I know about. I heard about it."

Mish's Global Economic Trend Analysis: Ukraine Rebel Commander Admits Having BUK Missiles; Damning Contradictions?

Mish's Global Economic Trend Analysis: Reuters Debunked: Khodakovsky Denies Interview Aspects

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. Even that story Khodakovsky admits to saying he knew about anit aircraft weapons.

No one ever denied the separatists have anti-aircraft weapons. The separatists admit they have MANPADs and this has been confirmed by all sides. But the point is MANPADS can't shoot down airlliners at 33,000 feet. Are you really as dense to think the BUK is the only type of anti-aircraft weapon?

 

[Vigilante]

Still ignoring the fact that circumstances have changed in Iraq since 2011, I see. Oh well, can't help you when you are so committed to remaining stupid.

Yes, they HAVE changed. Just like everyone with a brain said it would. That's called having VISION, anticipating things before they happen, and doing something about it.

Unlike this campaigner-in-chief that couldn't manage a snowball stand.

First of all, it's because the circumstances changed that the Iraqi's willingness to accept an immunity agreement changed, something which is beyond your limited comprehension -- and secondly, if everyone with a brain had the vision this would happen, then why did Bush decide to end the war? What happened to his own policy of "when the Iraqis stand up, we will stand down?"

 

[NotfooledbyW]

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We have agreements with 40 other countries but only in the Iraq one did he insert the poison pill to require the Iraqi Legislature to sign off on it.

Why didn't you know that in the first "Iraq one" from 2008 between Bush and Maliki the SOFA was required to have the Iraqi Legislature sign off on it? You have still not explained why you did not know this?