Prostitution and Drugs

[JOKER96BRAVO]

Well now,
this thread never got off topic at all did it?

 

[mattskramer]

I think that drugs and prostitution should be legalized. The reasons why I support their legalization are clearly spelled out on the Libertarian Party web site. See:

http://www.lp.org/issues/lp-oss.shtml

 

[no1tovote4]

I think that drugs and prostitution should be legalized. The reasons why I support their legalization are clearly spelled out on the Libertarian Party web site. See:

http://www.lp.org/issues/lp-oss.shtml

I agree.

 

[dilloduck]

I think that drugs and prostitution should be legalized. The reasons why I support their legalization are clearly spelled out on the Libertarian Party web site. See:

http://www.lp.org/issues/lp-oss.shtml

Would they be free or would we have to pay for em?

 

[no1tovote4]

Would they be free or would we have to pay for em?

Well, if we legalize them it will only be a matter of time before the Left starts calling them a "right" and supports Government funds for those that cannot afford their Prostitutes and drugs...

 

[dilloduck]

Well, if we legalize them it will only be a matter of time before the Left starts calling them a "right" and supports Government funds for those that cannot afford their Prostitutes and drugs...

Well hell---no wonder folks are flooding across the border. Used to be the other way around.

 

[Zhukov]

Well, if we legalize them it will only be a matter of time before the Left starts calling them a "right" and supports Government funds for those that cannot afford their Prostitutes and drugs...

I think I just became a Leftie....

 

[sagegirl]

It's easy. Drinking too much alcohol and driving is against the law and dangerous. Don't do it.

Smoking marijuana is illegal. Don't do it.

Do I think they are the same thing? In all honesty, I have never tried marijuana - or any other drug (I was worried I would like it to much) so my opinions are based on what I have read and observed. I have seen people after smoking pot and sometimes I couldn't even tell they had smoked any. Other people were way wasted.

I don't think it matters of it is illegal or not. You will become IMPAIRED if you do either.

And driving anything while impaired is just stupid. It's not worth the risk to me. If I had a couple of glasses of wine with dinner, I do not drive. Not because I am wasted or can't physically drive, but I don't want to take a chance that some ticket-happy cop pulls me over, or I get into an accident that isn't my fault and the cop decides to give everyone a test.

What you do in your own home is up to you. Smoke, inject, snort, all you want. Just stay home when you do.

When there is a chance it can effect my life, then I have a problem with it.

You cannot control the negative affects of the elements of society that you do not like. What is really needed is intelligent, unbiased, and comprehensive ways to deal with them. Obviously banning or making anything "illegal" is not a successful way. You are to be commended for some of your choices, but the idea that you might get caught as a preventative measure is a bit weak, and it doesnt work for most people.
There are choices for risky behavior and bad choices should have serious consequences.

 

[GotZoom]

You cannot control the negative affects of the elements of society that you do not like. What is really needed is intelligent, unbiased, and comprehensive ways to deal with them. Obviously banning or making anything "illegal" is not a successful way. You are to be commended for some of your choices, but the idea that you might get caught as a preventative measure is a bit weak, and it doesnt work for most people.
There are choices for risky behavior and bad choices should have serious consequences.

For some people, yes...and that is too bad.

I always harp on parental upbringing and have based heads with Gabby, etc about that. But I still maintain that if someone's parents start at a very young age instilling right and wrong and the important of following directions, then a lot of things would be different.

I was also taught that if I did something wrong, it was a reflection on my parents and their ability to raise a child.

Kind of 50's-ish..but it works.

I speed, got a ticket, I pay the ticket - I don't have money afterward.

I lie, I get caught, I get grounded - can't do what I want to do.

I don't get good grades, I get grounded - can't do what I want to do.

The list goes on.

Negative action = negative reaction.

 

[archangel]

You cannot control the negative affects of the elements of society that you do not like. What is really needed is intelligent, unbiased, and comprehensive ways to deal with them. Obviously banning or making anything "illegal" is not a successful way. You are to be commended for some of your choices, but the idea that you might get caught as a preventative measure is a bit weak, and it doesnt work for most people.
There are choices for risky behavior and bad choices should have serious consequences.

You dinged me for disagreeing with civil on the addiction of MJ...no wonder your name in here is sagegirl...a pesky weed in Nevada! :firing:

 

[CivilLiberty]

You dinged me for disagreeing with civil on the addiction of MJ...no wonder your name in here is sagegirl...a pesky weed in Nevada! :firing:

I'm pretty sure she means SAGE as in the most common meaning:
---
sage Pronunciation: 'sAj
n.
One venerated for experience, judgment, and wisdom.
----


And sage, the plant, has pleasant healing properties.


Cheers


Andy

 

[Said1]

I'm pretty sure she means SAGE as in the most common meaning:
---
sage Pronunciation: 'sAj
n.
One venerated for experience, judgment, and wisdom.
----


And sage, the plant, has pleasant healing properties.


Cheers


Andy

She said it was her female dogs name.



Continue.

 

[Powerman]

You state the demand for drugs doesn't change whether or not it is legal. Using the SAME reasoning, those that commit violent crimes to support their habits now, would STILL commit violent crimes to support their habits THEN.

OK that's just shitting things out your mouth without thinking. The reason people commit violent crimes to support their habbits is because of the ludicrus price of hardcore drugs. With legalization you would have a significant price reduction. Also you would eliminate drug gangs because the drugs would be sold legally by manufacturers because no one is stupid enough to pay 7 times more for something that comes off the street when you can buy it cheaper legally.

 

[no1tovote4]

You cannot control the negative affects of the elements of society that you do not like. What is really needed is intelligent, unbiased, and comprehensive ways to deal with them. Obviously banning or making anything "illegal" is not a successful way. You are to be commended for some of your choices, but the idea that you might get caught as a preventative measure is a bit weak, and it doesnt work for most people.
There are choices for risky behavior and bad choices should have serious consequences.

In agreement here, but to add to this point prohibition has never worked for any purpose other than to make successful black markets for goods that are prohibited. This creates the gangs and street crime we are all so familiar with. I once read an article from prohibition time of a drive-by shooting that sounded so familiar to modern times that if I took it out of context nobody would be likely to guess it was from the 1930's or that the article was dealing with gangs that dealt in alcohol rather than more currently prohibited materials.

The decriminalization and regulation of such drugs would do much to end the violence so prevalent today in our inner-city streets.

 

[Said1]

OK that's just shitting things out your mouth without thinking. The reason people commit violent crimes to support their habbits is because of the ludicrus price of hardcore drugs. With legalization you would have a significant price reduction. Also you would eliminate drug gangs because the drugs would be sold legally by manufacturers because no one is stupid enough to pay 7 times more for something that comes off the street when you can buy it cheaper legally.

You are assuming that junkies will not increase their drug use due to cheaper prices. If they were able to budget their drugs and money, they wouldn't have to lie, cheat and steal to get high.

 

[no1tovote4]

You are assuming that junkies will not increase their drug use due to cheaper prices. If they were able to budget their drugs and money, they wouldn't have to lie, cheat and steal to get high.

The addiction would not increase or decrease with decriminalization of the drugs. The junkies however would be better able to afford drugs without resorting to theft or attacks, substances that are legal no longer make you lose your job unless the job has specific requirements other than the legality of the subtances, many of the junkies would then be better able to keep employment after procuring such a thing.

However the main reduction in violent crimes would be in the fight on the street to control an area for distribution, in other words the gang wars. Just as at the end of prohibition gang wars were reduced drastically in the 30s, so too would the same violence protecting the same thing those gangsters were protecting decrease in these more modern times.

 

[dilloduck]

The addiction would not increase or decrease with decriminalization of the drugs. The junkies however would be better able to afford drugs without resorting to theft or attacks, substances that are legal no longer make you lose your job unless the job has specific requirements other than the legality of the subtances, many of the junkies would then be better able to keep employment after procuring such a thing.

However the main reduction in violent crimes would be in the fight on the street to control an area for distribution, in other words the gang wars. Just as at the end of prohibition gang wars were reduced drastically in the 30s, so too would the same violence protecting the same thing those gangsters were protecting decrease in these more modern times.

My bet is that distribution (or more like control of the drug) after it is legalized
has already been discussed. Would it be a government run program or will private companies duke it out for franchise rights etc. I'd like to be a fly on the wall to hear some of those discussions--big business has already found out how to make bucks off of porn and I doubt they will let an addictive product just slip through their fingers.

 

[Said1]

The addiction would not increase or decrease with decriminalization of the drugs. The junkies however would be better able to afford drugs without resorting to theft or attacks, substances that are legal no longer make you lose your job unless the job has specific requirements other than the legality of the subtances, many of the junkies would then be better able to keep employment after procuring such a thing.

Individual drug related crime may decrease, but I doubt their habits would remain unaffected, same as their ability to hold a job. I'm not really referring to mild drugs such as pot or hash, just the hard stuff that causes radical physical and psychological changes in those who are addicted to them.

However the main reduction in violent crimes would be in the fight on the street to control an area for distribution, in other words the gang wars. Just as at the end of prohibition gang wars were reduced drastically in the 30s, so too would the same violence protecting the same thing those gangsters were protecting decrease in these more modern times.

My point wasn't about gang related violence, it was mainly addressing individual drug related crimes. So, no argument here.

 

[no1tovote4]

My bet is that distribution (or more like control of the drug) after it is legalized
has already been discussed. Would it be a government run program or will private companies duke it out for franchise rights etc. I'd like to be a fly on the wall to hear some of those discussions--big business has already found out how to make bucks off of porn and I doubt they will let an addictive product just slip through their fingers.

No doubt the tobacco and drug companies would be all over it like stink on the well-known substance that is commonly described as hitting the air circulation device...

Imagine going into a gas station and asking for a pack of Marlboro Red Hairs..

 

[dilloduck]

No doubt the tobacco and drug companies would be all over it like stink on the well-known substance that is commonly described as hitting the air circulation device...

Imagine going into a gas station and asking for a pack of Marlboro Red Hairs..

Booze moguls too---they're not going to let a good buzz happen without them being involved somehow. A shot of Seagrams may take on a whole new meaning.