Prophecy being fulfilled in front of our eyes

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    While there is no doubt Israel is fulfilling prophecy about the end times in their becoming a nation again, and fighting off the rest of the world (very soon), there are other things to look at as well.

    While not my main point of interest, here is something worth looking at in relation to Israel and the mid-east that is commonly ignored:
    This is the Gog/Magog war that starts the End-Times. Notice the bold. The reference to the "wall".

    Coincidence? -No. Prophecy. Only Israel is in posession of a wall. Only Israel stands opposed and convicted by world courts to bring it down. -Therefore they become "without walls".

    This is happening before our eyes.

    -But that is OLD TESTAMENT prophecy for end times. (meaning it was written earlier than Jesus appeared.)

    I wanted to bring forth another prophecy from the NEW TESTAMENT. Discussion with AJ (thanks!) made me realize that with such an important role, prophecy is not looked at very often IN the new Testament to look at PROOF as the Bible being of devine origin.

    Now, then, I submit a bit about the End times as written in Revelation 6:6
    Now. Notice 6:6. While the rest discusses (in order of event)-
    1. an antichrist coming by waging a war of "peace"
    2. a spirit of war across the land unlike any we have ever known
    3. an economic downfall

    We are going to look at the next item which many miss.

    6:6 claims-
    1 measure of wheat will cost 1 penny.
    3 measures of barley will cost 1 penny.
    Oil and wine will be untouched.

    Interesting?
    What does it mean?

    We first need to understand "penny".

    http://www.hyperdictionary.com/search.aspx?define=denarius
    This is also evidenced by the literal breakdown of original Greek.:
    So the penny today is the DENARIUS of when the book was written. -It was the basic unit of monetary value then. While the VALUE today would be as our penny, it was the STANDARD as the Japanese Yen, or American dollar.

    In other words, if we were looking at the denarius in current terms, it would be worth a penny, but ordering a burger from McDonalds would cost 200 pennies, not 2 dollars. Dollars would not be the standard "term". Pennies would be.

    As such, we need to understand how much a denarius was back then in value to know what the verse is assigning these items as a value.

    http://www.fact-index.com/d/de/denarius.html
    What does this mean?

    (Keep in mind this was written roughly 2000 years ago.)

    The Bible tells us that 1 measure of wheat will cost 1 penny: (1 denarius) which is EQUAL TO A DAY'S WAGE.

    It says 3 measures of barley will cost the same.

    In other words, These two main staples will cost a fortune.

    -Yet wine and oil will stay cheap. How?

    http://www.foodnavigator.com/news/news-NG.asp?id=51953target=_blank
    Read the article.

    It gets worse.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/3841477.stm
    A bushel of wheat for a day's wage. -And we see it coming.

    What about wine?
    :D
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/france/story/0,11882,1249630,00.html
    http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle....HUCRBAE0CFEY?type=reutersEdge&storyID=5599205
    Even Australia is getting in on it.

    http://www.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,4057,10087129%5E1702,00.html
    So.

    We have an excess of wine and a shortage of main staple wheat and barley.

    The wine will cost almost nothing while a bushel of wheat and 3 of barley will each cost a day's wage.

    We have a predictable problem with obvious ramifications.

    We have a Biblical text which claims this will happen in the end times.

    We have now an issue:

    2000 years ago, could anyone have seen this coming?

    God did.

    -And it unfolds before your very eyes RIGHT NOW.
     
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    I'm not trying to encroach on your beliefs, I'm just throwing this out for arguments sake, ok?

    When you say that god forsaw this. In what way? And if he forsaw this, then why didn't he stop it? Why doesn't he help us now?

    Don't get me wrong, Newguy, I believe in God myself. But not the biblical religious one who is supposed to have physical influence in our world. To me God is just a spirit. The great spirit. The collective consciousness, and unseen natural energy of the universe. I know it may seem semantic, but when you say that God forsaw our problems, IMHO your taking the idea of God too literally. Because, again, if God had the ability to predict these kinds of things, why wouldn't he stop them, or even allow them to happen in the first place?
     
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    Keep your day job, NG !
     
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    ditto, you should work Saturdays like me
     
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    Interesting, NG. Also think about what the low carb diet revolution is doing to the bread market. The bakers will have to do something to strike back, something awful.
     
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    Interesting NG. I'll have to look a little deeper into it later (I'm about to have a BBQ).
     
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    The idea is to understand that God's ways are above our ways. Just because He knows there will be a famine, doesn't mean He is evil for not stopping it. Everything has and will have its purpose, although in most cases, those purposes are unseen to us. I am reminded of the movie Apollo 13, with Tom Hanks (sorry, I don't know the actual history, so i go off the movie :)). Tom Hanks' character explains how he was a pilot, and was lost at night flying out over the ocean. There was some problem in his plane that caused his lights and instruments to go out. From his point of view, that was just the icing on the cake. First, your lost, now everything is breaking! Then, he went on to explain that he eventually found his way back to land by following the glow of fluorescent algae floating in the ocean. He said that if his cabin lights had not gone out, he would have never noticed the algae and died at sea.

    Perhaps, God has a greater plan in all this. Perhaps he wants to teach us something about humility that we would otherwise not learn without a catastrophic event. You just need to remember that death is not particularly a bad thing. A core belief in Christianity (and much of religion in general) is that death is not the end. Everyone has to die, and when it's our time, it's our time. The key is to have faith all the way to the end, and not to curse God when the bad stuff happens.

    -Douglas
     
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    Good analogy, and well put.
     
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    NG...You've forgotten your medication again, haven't you?
     
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    I agree with NYC. Nicely put.
     

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