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The Neo Con Manifesto (or how to take care of defense contractor and big oil company CEOs):

June 3, 1997

American foreign and defense policy is adrift. Conservatives have criticized the incoherent policies of the Clinton Administration. They have also resisted isolationist impulses from within their own ranks. But conservatives have not confidently advanced a strategic vision of America's role in the world. They have not set forth guiding principles for American foreign policy. They have allowed differences over tactics to obscure potential agreement on strategic objectives. And they have not fought for a defense budget that would maintain American security and advance American interests in the new century.

We aim to change this. We aim to make the case and rally support for American global leadership.

As the 20th century draws to a close, the United States stands as the world's preeminent power. Having led the West to victory in the Cold War, America faces an opportunity and a challenge: Does the United States have the vision to build upon the achievements of past decades? Does the United States have the resolve to shape a new century favorable to American principles and interests?

We are in danger of squandering the opportunity and failing the challenge. We are living off the capital -- both the military investments and the foreign policy achievements -- built up by past administrations. Cuts in foreign affairs and defense spending, inattention to the tools of statecraft, and inconstant leadership are making it increasingly difficult to sustain American influence around the world. And the promise of short-term commercial benefits threatens to override strategic considerations. As a consequence, we are jeopardizing the nation's ability to meet present threats and to deal with potentially greater challenges that lie ahead.

We seem to have forgotten the essential elements of the Reagan Administration's success: a military that is strong and ready to meet both present and future challenges; a foreign policy that boldly and purposefully promotes American principles abroad; and national leadership that accepts the United States' global responsibilities.

Of course, the United States must be prudent in how it exercises its power. But we cannot safely avoid the responsibilities of global leadership or the costs that are associated with its exercise. America has a vital role in maintaining peace and security in Europe, Asia, and the Middle East. If we shirk our responsibilities, we invite challenges to our fundamental interests. The history of the 20th century should have taught us that it is important to shape circumstances before crises emerge, and to meet threats before they become dire. The history of this century should have taught us to embrace the cause of American leadership.

Our aim is to remind Americans of these lessons and to draw their consequences for today. Here are four consequences:

• we need to increase defense spending significantly if we are to carry out our global
responsibilities today and modernize our armed forces for the future;

• we need to strengthen our ties to democratic allies and to challenge regimes hostile to our interests and values;

• we need to promote the cause of political and economic freedom abroad;

• we need to accept responsibility for America's unique role in preserving and extending an international order friendly to our security, our prosperity, and our principles.

Such a Reaganite policy of military strength and moral clarity may not be fashionable today. But it is necessary if the United States is to build on the successes of this past century and to ensure our security and our greatness in the next.

Elliott Abrams Gary Bauer William J. Bennett Jeb Bush

Dick Cheney Eliot A. Cohen Midge Decter Paula Dobriansky Steve Forbes

Aaron Friedberg Francis Fukuyama Frank Gaffney Fred C. Ikle

Donald Kagan Zalmay Khalilzad I. Lewis Libby Norman Podhoretz

Dan Quayle Peter W. Rodman Stephen P. Rosen Henry S. Rowen

Donald Rumsfeld Vin Weber George Weigel Paul Wolfowitz
http://www.newamericancentury.org/statementofprinciples.htm

Pretty good propaganda statement by the neocons. Setting the foundation for the war in Iraq.
 
And with which part of this excellent statement do you disagree?
Apparently he disagrees with the statements that he made bold above. If the US remains the preeminent world power in the 21st Century, it will be despite people like finebead. I was an American student studying abroad in China and later in Germany during the period 2002 through 2004. And I traveled extensively in Asia and Europe. Let me tell you that people from other countries do look to America for leadership, even the far Left students and professors that I encountered. Finebead has no clue if he thinks otherwise. People abroad may disagree with us. But the geopolitical conversation is all about America and what we'll do next. I heard no talk about EU or Chinese world leadership even from members of those countries.
 
Well, the argument is really not one of will the United States remain the pre-eminent world power, but should it remain the pre-eminent world power.

I take it that Finebead believes that it should not, and for the reason that American pre-eminence brings harm to the world.

The PNAC statement did not take this pre-eminence for granted, but proposed a whole range of measures that the United States should take, if it wanted to retain its position. It might be interesting to discuss both issues:

(1) Is the economic and military strength of the United States a good thing, or not?

(2) If it is a good thing, can we take it for granted over the next century? If not, what should we do to retain our position?
 
Richard Perle, a founding member of PNAC, who has been quoted as describing America's "war on terrorism" in these words:

This is total war. We are fighting a variety of enemies. There are lots of them out there. All this talk about first we are going to do Afghanistan, then we will do Iraq.... [T]his is entirely the wrong way to go about it. If we just let our vision of the world go forth, and....just wage a total war...our children will sing great songs about us years from now.>31


http://www.krysstal.com/democracy_wh...ac_quotes.html


YouTube - PNAC,, You have got to see this! It is WILD!
I suppose even if it was before the document was issued it ...
3 min 45 sec -

[ame]www.youtube.com/watch?v=1uT7kcAu4i8[/ame]



advanced forms of biological warfare that can target specific genotypes may transform biological warfare from the realm of terror to a politically useful tool

______________this is a quote by a group called the Project For The New American Century, and its 2000 document "Rebuilding America's Defenses." The Project For The New American Century is a think-tank group pursuing exactly genocide right here in the United States of America. Unbelievable? See the think-tank's website at http://www.newamericancentury.org. You can read the entire document at http://newamericancentury.org/Rebuil...asDefenses.pdf



William Kristol, founding member of the Project for a New American Century (the terrorist organization that engineered 9/11), attempted to speak at the University of Texas in Austin on October 3rd 2006, but was heckled and booed by the audience. Americans are clearly waking up to the truth about 9/11 and who was behind it.

http://www.thelastoutpost.com/site/1445/default.aspx


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gee maybe the rest of the world might want to consider a preemptive strike
against these neoconofacsist that seem to hate the rest of the worlds Freedumbs and prosperity
 
This is about the re-militarization of america, without the existence of a threat that warrants it. Al Qaeda is 2000 thugs hiding in caves, and we were attacked by 20 Saudis with box cutters.

Do we need to increase defense spending to contend with this threat? No. Delta Force is what is appropriately required to deal with this, and re-acquisition of some CIA field capability.

That PNAC statement is a cover story for the military industrial complex, to somehow justify wars call them in the national security, when they are to control oil supplies for big oil's CEO bonuses. It will make a lot of money for defense contractor CEO's.

It's propaganda.

The rich will get richer, and the poor will die so they can.

We were told Iraq was ground central in the war on terror. It was not. This administration just lies. If it was, would you take over a large land mass like Iraq to neutralize far less than 1% of its people, if they had been Al Qaeda terrorists, and pay the cost to conquer and occupy them for a long time, to deal with that type threat? No. That's a very poor cost benefit ratio, especially since the 9/11 commission found no evidence of a collaborative relationship between Iraq and Al Qaeda.

We need better education for our kids so we stay competitive in the world economy, we need better and more efficient health care that covers all americans, we need an economic plan that halts off shoring good jobs for middle class americans, we need a strong viable currency so our standard of living doesn't decline due to inflation, and I see none of it. The dollar has dropped like a sinker since Bush came in, contributing to $3 a gal. gasoline, and rapid inflation in health care cost, housing and college tuition (pushing it beyond the means of many).

Why do we spend as much on defense as the next 15 nations combined, about 45% of the total world spend to protect 300 mil. people out of 6 billion. It doesn't make sense. (unless you are a defense company CEO, or a big oil company CEO, like Exxon, that just signed a 30 year contract to produce oil in Iraq).
 
My problem with the whole NeoCon group, is that like their mentor, Leo Straus (no relations to the jeans guy) they believe that they are the group to lead US. US being the sheep who cannot care or think for ourselves.

This is the same bullshit that so many other "elite" have made in a hundred different countries at a hundred different times.

So far based on what they have done in Iraq, they aren't really the brightest bulbs in the pack. Born into money or power, they confuse that with actual talent and skill.
 
The neo-cons (the real ones) had very little to do with the detailed implementation of the invasion of Iraq. But they did have terrible illusions about how easy it would be to encourage democracy there, and can be faulted for this.

The idea that Delta Force and the CIA will allow us to be safe is taken straight from the Rambo mind-set. The CIA is incompetent, and most "Delta Force" type operations have been, and will be, failures. It's Hollywood dreamstuff. Nothing can replace armored divisions.

Without American military and economic power, either Hitler, or Stalin, would have overrun Europe, and the world would have been a very different place. The growth of prosperity and well-being that the human race is now experiencing is a direct result of our decision to wage war on Hitler and the Japanese, and then to wage the Cold War against the Soviets.

Don't kid yourself about this.

If we are lucky, someday the world will be one big peaceful Europe-like set of nations, slowly merging their institutions as their cultures and values converge on the civilized model. Capitalism is leading the world out of poverty and backwardness, but this will not happen soon -- not even within our lifetimes. But it will happen. Then we can stand down our military and all sit around the campfire and sing folk songs.

Until then, there are some bad actors out there, and we had better be stronger than they are. They include the Russians and the Chinese, both freed from the economic shackles of socialism but retaining the mind-set and much of the political structures of communism.

We don't know what will result from the stirring into consciousness of Islam. Al Queda is just the first experiment history is making with this growing force, and will probably be forgotten in ten years as more successful models of Islamic resurgence emerge. We must hope that modernizing versions of Islamic consciousness take hold of the Muslim masses, and act on our hopes to help it come true.

In the meantime, we must remain militarily strong. At the same time, the neo-conservatives are right in their general outlook: it is in our interests to advance the cause of democracy and freedom in the world, and this will not happen peacefully (it has never happened peacefully).
 
The neo-cons (the real ones) had very little to do with the detailed implementation of the invasion of Iraq. But they did have terrible illusions about how easy it would be to encourage democracy there, and can be faulted for this.
Roger that.

The idea that Delta Force and the CIA will allow us to be safe is taken straight from the Rambo mind-set. The CIA is incompetent, and most "Delta Force" type operations have been, and will be, failures. It's Hollywood dreamstuff. Nothing can replace armored divisions.
Disagree. How do you deploy armored divisions against 4 terrorists in a kitchen somewhere in the world? Answer: You can't. The nature of the threat is such that the biggest challenge is not killing them, its FINDING THEM. All the armor in the world WILL NOT ACHIEVE THIS GOAL. If the CIA is broken, of just atrophied, then fund it and/or fix it. The nature of its intended operation IS what is called for to deal with a terrorist threat. Same with Delta Force and the rest of the special forces. I will guarantee you that conquering large land masses populated with 99.9% of people that are not and never wanted to be a threat to you is a terribly inefficient model, and a fools errand. Fools errand, see neocon. I am not a military man, I'm a business man and successful private investor who has proved adept at strategic planning, and this administration is plumb stupid, numbingly incompetent, or sinister. Although I think Bush is plumb stupid, many of his support team I have concluded is sinister as they are neither stupid nor numbingly incompetent. They appear to be incompetent at the task we think they are executing because they never intended to perform the task they said they were attempting; they are trying to perform a task that they never mention because it is so selfish as to be blatantly immoral.

I've been a successful investor because I don't buy anyone's BS. I don't believe financial advisors, who seem more adept at maximizing their profit than mine. I don't believe Greenspan, Bernanke or any president, like when they say they don't expect the subprime crisis to trickle down and affect the underlying economy, yea, right. I pay good money and get several private opinions on the economy and investment strategies, and then I don't believe any of them on the face. I think for myself, test their proposals, decide what I think is right at that point in time and I execute. I don't practice asset allocation because at any time certain asset classes are going up and some are going down. Why would you want ANY of your assets parked in a class that is going down? I pick what I think the correct path is, and I go with it for all I have. It's exciting at times. There's an old saying about understanding the world, "Follow the money". It will lead you to the truth, almost always. When it doesn't, look for ignorance or incompetence or sinister aims, but usually its about the money (simple greed).

Without American military and economic power, either Hitler, or Stalin, would have overrun Europe, and the world would have been a very different place. The growth of prosperity and well-being that the human race is now experiencing is a direct result of our decision to wage war on Hitler and the Japanese, and then to wage the Cold War against the Soviets.

Don't kid yourself about this.
I agree the US did a great thing is WWII. My father served in the Pacific for 3 years in the Army infantry, 37th division. He was in front line combat for two years at New Georgia, Bouganville, and the Phillipines. I have his discharge papers and he exited as a "Scout". My father said it was the most important thing he did in his life, and I believed him. He also taught me the difference between wars that were just and HAD to be fought, and what he called "BS political wars", started by pip squeak politicians who had never been under fire. It was his opinion that only a politician who had never been under fire would start a BS political war, and subject good american service men to war for an inadequate reason. He hated Johnson, and he despised Nixon. Stupidity seems not to be the exclusive realm of either party.

There is nobody out there today, nor any situation in the world today that is analogous to Hitler. This point is irrelevant to the discussion of neocon aims and policies. Sorry. If you wish to attempt to show a threat in the world today that is analogous to Hitler in WWII, PLEASE DO, I haven't had a good laugh this week.

If we are lucky, someday the world will be one big peaceful Europe-like set of nations, slowly merging their institutions as their cultures and values converge on the civilized model. Capitalism is leading the world out of poverty and backwardness, but this will not happen soon -- not even within our lifetimes. But it will happen. Then we can stand down our military and all sit around the campfire and sing folk songs.

Until then, there are some bad actors out there, and we had better be stronger than they are. They include the Russians and the Chinese, both freed from the economic shackles of socialism but retaining the mind-set and much of the political structures of communism.
For my general disgust with our current leadership, you are more optimistic than I am. I don't think human nature will change. I agree we need to stay strong enough to deter any threat, and to participate in international efforts to police the world. To the extent we exceed that objective, we siphon too much of our resources into the military and will leave ourselves less able to compete economically. If that trend continues, we won't be able to fund the military due to our economic weakness. When we offshore our manufacturing and some high tech such as engineering expertise and information technology, we weaken our nation in favor of short term profits for corporate CEO's who can get mega rich in 12 quarters or less of market out performance, while running their company in the ground. See Chuck Prince at Citigroup, and the CEO Merrill Lynch just fired for costing the company BILLIONS in write downs on subprime mortgages. That problem was knowable, see Goldman Sachs is NOT taking any write downs, nor PIMCO bonds.

The economic position of the US is not a constant. After WWII, we were clearly a superpower, with superior universities, sound businesses, and the only major nation that survived the war with its primary infrastructure intact. That gave us a two decade lead on the rest of the world. Russia, China and India slowly came to their senses, Japan rebuilt, and they have adopted our economic processes. Japan has taken over much of the electronics production and and autos and steel, with some others, like Korea. China and India represent just shy of half the worlds population, and they were excluded from a significant role in the worlds economy until two decades ago, but communications technology and email have connected them. They have a huge labor cost advantage they are exploiting and the economic underpinnings of the world are currently shifting. What you could count on as true 30 years ago cannot be counted on to be true today. And I'm talking about fundamental economic truth here. The gap between the US and the rest of the world is shrinking. We have already exported a lot of democracy and capitalism in places that have not embraced democracy (like China), and it has helped them shrink the gap. As we fall back to the pack, and they gain on us, I don't think we will be able to continue to outspend them on the military as we did in the past. That's not all bad. Ask England, a superpower for 300 years until the start of the 20th century, 40 years as a declining superpower, and after WWII, not a superpower at all. It happens.

We don't know what will result from the stirring into consciousness of Islam. Al Queda is just the first experiment history is making with this growing force, and will probably be forgotten in ten years as more successful models of Islamic resurgence emerge. We must hope that modernizing versions of Islamic consciousness take hold of the Muslim masses, and act on our hopes to help it come true.
This is NOT fundamentally about Islamic fundamentalism. That's the cover story Bin Laden uses to motivate stupid young people to die for his hidden cause. His real objective is to overthrow the Saudi royal family like the Iranians ousted the Shah. He wants power. For that he needs money, the kind of money that comes from controlling Saudi crude. See the Al Qeada terrorist attacks in Saudi Arabia. He needs money and he needs people who are motivated and willing to perform the actions necessary to seize power. He motivates them with the fairy tales of Islamic fundamentalism. There is a similar analogy for the neocons. Their objective is not to destroy Al Qaeda (see Bin Laden's escape from Tora Bora, where we had him but sent in the second string locals who lost him, why?), who is actually useful in demonstrating the needed bogey man necessary to motivate poor americans to perform the actions necessary to keep them in power and achieve their economic aims, maximizing big oil and big defense contractors CEO's bonuses and stock option packages.

In the meantime, we must remain militarily strong.
Blatant over simplification. We must remain militarily strong enough to defend the US from attack, and to participate in prudent international actions to protect the strategic interests of the US and our strategic partners. This does not mean we need to stockpile obscene offensive capabilities sufficient to conquer, occupy and control the economic resources anywhere in the world necessary to maximize selected CEO's bonus plans. It does not mean that we need to build armaments to the exclusion of all other strategic needs of the United States, and I believe in the 21st century, our primary threats will be economic in nature. I see us poorly positioning ourselves to deal with those threats.

At the same time, the neo-conservatives are right in their general outlook: it is in our interests to advance the cause of democracy and freedom in the world, and this will not happen peacefully (it has never happened peacefully).
Need some contraints. This is not true in the ABSOLUTE sense. Would you bankrupt the nation and just build tanks, planes, ships, and M16's? Bad plan. It is in our interests to advance the cause of democracy where it is cost effective. It has happened peacefully, see Poland after its emergence from Soviet rule. We diplomatically and financially supported Walesa and effectively helped birth a successful democracy in Poland. If the only tool you know about is a hammer, then all problems must be viewed as a nail. It is not always that way.
 
Finebead: Your long and interesting reply requires an equally thought-out response, which I shall try to make over the next day or two or three, perhaps point by point.

I have no disagreement with quite a lot of what you have written, which,as generalities, could not be disagreed with by any reasonable person. And in particular I agree that the current administration has been woefully inadequate to the historic tasks which it has faced -- Mr Bush has been a kind of Churchill manque.

A couple of quick points where we do disagree: True, there is no "Hitler" out there, in the sense of the leader of a powerful modern state, heading a totalitarian political movement, with a deep sense of national grievance and the intention of satisfy it, with interest.

But note that when Hitler was on the rise, there had never been anything like him and his movement before. Each historical circumstance -- certainly in the last two centuries -- is new, because society is changing so rapidly, driven by the powerful engines of economic and technological change (as foreseen, ironically enough, by Marx and Engels in the Communist Manifesto). His contemporaries -- with almost the sole exception of Churchill -- looked at Hitler, and saw simply a German authoritarian ruler, with limited national grievances who could be appeased. Wrong. (I used to have an acquaintance, now deceased, who was in his early 20s in the late 30s. As Hitler rearmed and made one demand after another, he said that he, and his contemporaries, just could not believe that the Germans were, after the insane carnage of the Great War, going to do it all again. So although they went through the motions of preparing for war, they just did not believe it would happen.)

There is a strong tendency to believe, after the event, that the way things turned out were the way they had to turn out. But I think that had, for example, the Republicans been in power in 1940, we would not have maneuvered the Japanese into attacking us, would have remained out of the war until it was too late, and possibly would have faced a triumphant German/Japanese coaltion alone. That this did not happen was the result of Franklin Delano Roosevelt's determination to get us into war, although this required a good deal of deception of the American public. Of course American corporations, and their CEOs, did very well out of our military engagements. But this does not invalidate the historically progressive outcome of Roosevelt's success in getting us into war.
 
Doug said:
True, there is no "Hitler" out there, in the sense of the leader of a powerful modern state, heading a totalitarian political movement, with a deep sense of national grievance and the intention of satisfy it, with interest.
Implicit in your statement is that this "Hitler" must be the leader of a nation-state. In an age of jet travel, multi-national corporations, and instant communications, the concept of "national grievance" as it obtained in the 1930s may no longer be pertinent. At some level, Osama Bin Laden qualifies as the contemporary Hitler with a multi-national grievance that is centuries old. And while he currently has no mechanized army; he certainly does have an army of followers and admirers; perhaps millions of them. It is interesting to note that the totalitarianism of OBL seeks to scapecoat the Jews every bit as much as did Hitler's. The Third Reich was the most evil regime in history (although Mao has some claim to that low water mark), but I think that OBL's intended darkness is every bit the equal of Hitler's and more. OBL and his philosopy are here today; feverishly seeking the tools that are useful for a new implementation of the 8th Century.
 
Implicit in your statement is that this "Hitler" must be the leader of a nation-state. In an age of jet travel, multi-national corporations, and instant communications, the concept of "national grievance" as it obtained in the 1930s may no longer be pertinent. At some level, Osama Bin Laden qualifies as the contemporary Hitler with a multi-national grievance that is centuries old. And while he currently has no mechanized army; he certainly does have an army of followers and admirers; perhaps millions of them. It is interesting to note that the totalitarianism of OBL seeks to scapecoat the Jews every bit as much as did Hitler's. The Third Reich was the most evil regime in history (although Mao has some claim to that low water mark), but I think that OBL's intended darkness is every bit the equal of Hitler's and more. OBL and his philosopy are here today; feverishly seeking the tools that are useful for a new implementation of the 8th Century.


George Bush's grandfather, the late US senator Prescott Bush, was a director and shareholder of companies that profited from their involvement with the financial backers of Nazi Germany.
The Guardian has obtained confirmation from newly discovered files in the US National Archives that a firm of which Prescott Bush was a director was involved with the financial architects of Nazism

http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,12271,1312540,00.html



The CIA and Saudi Arabia, the Bushes and the Bin Ladens. Did their connections cause America to turn a blind eye to terrorism?


http://www.bushwatch.com/binladens.htm

Election 2004 is unique in that four serious contenders for the presidency -- Bush, Kerry, Lieberman and Dean -- graduated from Yale (home of the Skull and Bones); two of them, the strongest candidates -- Bush and Kerry -- are members of this secret society to which they pledged lifelong allegiance. Skull and Bones has a very interesting history and its members have gone on to become some of the world's most influential people. It seems appropriate that we take a look at this exclusive little club since our current and probable future president is a member. Plus, bonesmen are forbidden to tell us anything about their Skull and Bones membership



http://santacruzhousing.net/observer/20040205.htm
 
This is about the re-militarization of america, without the existence of a threat that warrants it. Al Qaeda is 2000 thugs hiding in caves, and we were attacked by 20 Saudis with box cutters.

Excellent post and much more astute than much talk about the problem of terrorism and the military industrial complex. You have to excuse Doug, he is stuck in some time warp where every problem grows into Hitler and every issue is caused by liberals who hate America.
 
June 3, 1997

American foreign and defense policy is adrift. Conservatives have criticized the incoherent policies of the Clinton Administration. They have also resisted isolationist impulses from within their own ranks. But conservatives have not confidently advanced a strategic vision of America's role in the world. They have not set forth guiding principles for American foreign policy. They have allowed differences over tactics to obscure potential agreement on strategic objectives. And they have not fought for a defense budget that would maintain American security and advance American interests in the new century.

We aim to change this. We aim to make the case and rally support for American global leadership.

As the 20th century draws to a close, the United States stands as the world's preeminent power. Having led the West to victory in the Cold War, America faces an opportunity and a challenge: Does the United States have the vision to build upon the achievements of past decades? Does the United States have the resolve to shape a new century favorable to American principles and interests?

We are in danger of squandering the opportunity and failing the challenge. We are living off the capital -- both the military investments and the foreign policy achievements -- built up by past administrations. Cuts in foreign affairs and defense spending, inattention to the tools of statecraft, and inconstant leadership are making it increasingly difficult to sustain American influence around the world. And the promise of short-term commercial benefits threatens to override strategic considerations. As a consequence, we are jeopardizing the nation's ability to meet present threats and to deal with potentially greater challenges that lie ahead.

We seem to have forgotten the essential elements of the Reagan Administration's success: a military that is strong and ready to meet both present and future challenges; a foreign policy that boldly and purposefully promotes American principles abroad; and national leadership that accepts the United States' global responsibilities.

Of course, the United States must be prudent in how it exercises its power. But we cannot safely avoid the responsibilities of global leadership or the costs that are associated with its exercise. America has a vital role in maintaining peace and security in Europe, Asia, and the Middle East. If we shirk our responsibilities, we invite challenges to our fundamental interests. The history of the 20th century should have taught us that it is important to shape circumstances before crises emerge, and to meet threats before they become dire. The history of this century should have taught us to embrace the cause of American leadership.

Our aim is to remind Americans of these lessons and to draw their consequences for today. Here are four consequences:

• we need to increase defense spending significantly if we are to carry out our global
responsibilities today and modernize our armed forces for the future;

• we need to strengthen our ties to democratic allies and to challenge regimes hostile to our interests and values;

• we need to promote the cause of political and economic freedom abroad;

• we need to accept responsibility for America's unique role in preserving and extending an international order friendly to our security, our prosperity, and our principles.

Such a Reaganite policy of military strength and moral clarity may not be fashionable today. But it is necessary if the United States is to build on the successes of this past century and to ensure our security and our greatness in the next.

Elliott Abrams Gary Bauer William J. Bennett Jeb Bush

Dick Cheney Eliot A. Cohen Midge Decter Paula Dobriansky Steve Forbes

Aaron Friedberg Francis Fukuyama Frank Gaffney Fred C. Ikle

Donald Kagan Zalmay Khalilzad I. Lewis Libby Norman Podhoretz

Dan Quayle Peter W. Rodman Stephen P. Rosen Henry S. Rowen

Donald Rumsfeld Vin Weber George Weigel Paul Wolfowitz

I could put my signature on this document anytime of the day or night.

But I’m sorry to inform the members of the USMB that these individuals don’t believe a single word they wrote.

If they were really commited to “a foreign policy that boldly and purposefully promotes American principles abroad” they would be the first ones to denounce Israel as the jewish racial dictatorship it really is.

People who are truly commited to democratic values do not make excuses and support racist states like Israel and organizations like HAMAS, ISLAMIC JIHAD, who want to subject the israeli population to an islamic theocratic state, and pathetic clownish demagogues like Ahmadinejad who exploits the palestinian people to divert the attention of the iranian people from the jurassic confessional state that rules the country.

They condemn both and unequivocally support the establishment of a secular, democratic state comprising the entire region of Palestine that would be monitored by the international community and have the security of the jewish people as its overriding priority.

People who are truly committed to democratic values do not want to see the US global leadership replaced by the dominance of an authoritarian China.

They recognise the crucial role America plays in the dissemination of democratic ideals and want China to follow America's example.

They don’t regurgitate pathetic excuses to justify the chinese authoritarian rule like the famous “1 billion people cannot be governed by a democratic government”.

People who are truly committed to democratic values do not support the democratization of China as a way to weaken the US economic/geopolitical rival but as a way to empower the chinese people.

They also denounce the chinese occupation of Tibet and its policy of gradual dilution of the tibetan national identity.

People who are truly committed to democratic values, while denouncing the chinese occupation, do not romanticise and glamourise the buddhist theocratic state that ruled Tibet prior to the invasion.

They want to see the chinese imperialist rule replaced by a democratic, secular state that gives equal treatment to the tibetan AND the chinese population of that country.

The rest of the world can invent new labels and call these geopolitical strategists “neocons” all they want.

To me, they are nothing but good old super patriotic american clowns of the first order.

The fact that they are able to denounce Iran’s theocratic rule and praise the “jewish democratic state” in the same sentence is the most eloquent testimony of these individuals’ lack of seriousness.

Super patriotic american clowns like Wolfwowitz & Cia couldn’t care less about democratic principles.

They just use these values as a pretext to justify american foreign policy and have no problem discarding these same values when they do not serve their “purpose” anymore. They are concerned with democracy only when it suits their nationalist agenda.

Democratic values provide them with a much needed cover to give a noble, altruistic meaning to America’s foreign policy.

They pick and choose democratic principles like we do with supermarket products.

And quite frankly, I have much more respect for a white supremacist like Joyce who do not pretend to support democracy and coherently supports racist states for all ethnic groups in the world than I do for the average super patriotic american clown who hides his patriotic paroxisms behind a democratic facade.

At least white supremacists are consistent which is more than I can say about those clowns.
 
José: You have an interesting and unusual viewpoint, which is worth discussing.

However, your post is marred by at least one error: you imply, to the extent of supplying spurious quotations, that the neo-cons are in favor of the Chinese people being ruled by an authoritarian government since democracy is not possible for one billion people. This may be the position of some people -- possibly the "realists" -- but it is directly contrary to the neo-conservative position.

The problem is this: the United States is not strong enough, by two orders of magnitude, to simply force "democracy" into exisence all over the world.

For instance, you mention Tibet. (And, interestingly, note that the old regime which the Chinese ousted there was far from being a model government.) But what should we actually do about Tibet? Break off recognition of China? Arm and finance a Tibetan Resistance?

The fact is, that we must maneuvre in a world where we have to have priorities, and allies who are far from being what we would like them to be.

We are forced to compromise, and to be pragmatic. This will naturally sometimes make us look hypocritical. There is no other way to proceed, however.
 
The war sector in this country has always needed an enemy to remain relevant. After the Soviet Union dissolved, and that threat disappeared, the MIC was sitting around with their thumbs up their ass trying to figure out how to make a proft.

Along came Neo-cons and Neo-libs, and their "new Pearl Harbor".

The rest is history.
 
José: You have an interesting and unusual viewpoint, which is worth discussing.

However, your post is marred by at least one error: you imply, to the extent of supplying spurious quotations, that the neo-cons are in favor of the Chinese people being ruled by an authoritarian government since democracy is not possible for one billion people. This may be the position of some people -- possibly the "realists" -- but it is directly contrary to the neo-conservative position.

The problem is this: the United States is not strong enough, by two orders of magnitude, to simply force "democracy" into exisence all over the world.

For instance, you mention Tibet. (And, interestingly, note that the old regime which the Chinese ousted there was far from being a model government.) But what should we actually do about Tibet? Break off recognition of China? Arm and finance a Tibetan Resistance?

The fact is, that we must maneuvre in a world where we have to have priorities, and allies who are far from being what we would like them to be.

We are forced to compromise, and to be pragmatic. This will naturally sometimes make us look hypocritical. There is no other way to proceed, however.

there in favour of you being controled by a athouritarian government A BIG IDEA A NWO..[TO QOUTE BUSH SENIOR].China is the prototype for global socialism the poster child for the CFR elite run global socialism is the objective
 
Let me pose a serious question.

Is Democracy the best form of government for all nations and cultures at this time or any time?

What is the difference between our trying to bring Democracy to all peoples and our earlier efforts to bring Christianity to all people.

I happen be be quite happy living in a Democracy, even with its faults today. But I really ask if this is the only best form of government for all people, or is it a Western thing?

Why have we not suported countries where a Democratic process elected peoples or parties who are not really democratic and support other countries that are run by Kings or Dictators?

Just wondering out loud.
 
Let me pose a serious question.

Is Democracy the best form of government for all nations and cultures at this time or any time?

What is the difference between our trying to bring Democracy to all peoples and our earlier efforts to bring Christianity to all people.

I happen be be quite happy living in a Democracy, even with its faults today. But I really ask if this is the only best form of government for all people, or is it a Western thing?

Why have we not suported countries where a Democratic process elected peoples or parties who are not really democratic and support other countries that are run by Kings or Dictators?

Just wondering out loud.


Simply put, no. Democracy is not hte best for each culture and country, which is why the iraq situation is so laughable. Your idiots in Washington decided to impose Western values on a ME culture - they knew hte outcome Fucking dickheads - bigtime.. Bush was too stupid/insular to know the outcome, but Cheney and his cabal knew. Evil shitheads - every one of them
 

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