Professor Says Liberals Are Smarter Than Conservatives

[tjvh]

Liberals are smarter than Conservatives? Really... I didn't see any Conservatives freezing their asses off in tents in the dead of winter protesting a message that was even unclear to themselves.

 

[bripat9643]

Yeah?

Can you explain this comment to me in your own words, "If you've got a business -- you didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen."

Well I could but you do not believe in the concept of social responsibility so why bother?

That's true, conservatives don't believe in such a concept, and liberals have never managed to prove it isn't complete bullshit. They just stamp their feet and runaway whenever anyone asks them to prove it.

 

[The T]

It has been a mystery to conservatives why an intellectual approach to politics leads to the left because they cannot accept the obvious conclusion, conservative politics requires a willingness to accept too many fallacies and never question them. It is not precisely a question of intelligence but a measure of authoritarian following behavior.

Yeah?

Can you explain this comment to me in your own words, "If you've got a business -- you didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen."

Well I could but you do not believe in the concept of social responsibility so why bother?

Tell Us when YOU belive in individual responsiblity...and then come back, shall you?

 

[bripat9643]

Frank, liberals can't be held accountable if you're stupid enough to believe Rush and Hannity's splicing of that quote.

Anyone with an IQ above room temperature understands the context regarding infrastructure.

that taxpayers pay for it? or that some businesses do?

That civil society and social contracts create an environment - both legal and physical - where business can thrive.

The "social contract" is a myth, and the term "civil society" is vritually meaningless. The only thing business needs to function is protection from predators and a means for enforcing contracts. The cost of those two things is about $0.01 on the dollar.

 

[DontBeStupid]

Idiot.

Don't involve yourself in things way above your diminished mental capacity, you could hurt yourself

Oh, this will be fun. Lets get you on record.

Are you saying, that EVERY major achievement in civilization has NOT come from government bureaus, but rather from capitalism and largely free trade? EVERY major achievement.

Also, are you saying, that the ONLY way to improve the lives of ordinary people is through the free-enterprise system? The ONLY way.

Please answer. I want you on record for this.

This conversation is beyond you, I don't expect you to understand what I'm about to say.

The Roman built the aqueducts and the Colosseum and those are still standing today. Were they "bureaucrats" by today's standards? Nope.

Today Bureaucrats run NY City Public Housing and they only thing they created is poverty and slums.

Look at the People republic of Vietnam, which is now economically to the right of the "American Left. When Bureaucrats ran their economy they had to import 2 millions tons of rice annual to keep the population from starving. The Bureaucrats were handed their walking papers, free enterprise directs the economy and they are now the second largest exporter of rice on the planet

Did you follow that?

Despite the horrendous grammar, I did follow it.

And we can all see you failed to respond to either of my questions, while already back tracking on your position. Awesome.

 

[bripat9643]

that taxpayers pay for it? or that some businesses do?

That civil society and social contracts create an environment - both legal and physical - where business can thrive.

soooooo how were businesses doing it before than? oooo thats right, it takes a government, phew, those fur traders never had a business where u didnt have roads, or laws or infastructor. Thank god government came around.

Before the highway system was built we had a system of privately owned railroads. Were the rail barons entitled to a "fair share" from the rich because railroads made their businesses possible?

 

[bripat9643]

That civil society and social contracts create an environment - both legal and physical - where business can thrive.

soooooo how were businesses doing it before than? oooo thats right, it takes a government, phew, those fur traders never had a business where u didnt have roads, or laws or infastructor. Thank god government came around.

You're right. If our economy was based on a few fur traders navigating streams (under the control of both British and French governments, mind you) we might still be able to go without any interference.

Who built the interstate highways in the late 1800s when U.S. Steel and Standard Oil were growing into behemoths?

 

[The T]

That civil society and social contracts create an environment - both legal and physical - where business can thrive.

soooooo how were businesses doing it before than? oooo thats right, it takes a government, phew, those fur traders never had a business where u didnt have roads, or laws or infastructor. Thank god government came around.

Before the highway system was built we had a system of privately owned railroads. Were the rail barons entitled to a "fair share" from the rich because railroads made their businesses possible?

Great point. Some on the left will tell you though that the railroads wouldn't have made it unless they didn't get land grants from the Government.

 

[bripat9643]

I so wish I had a photographic memory.

Anyone else read the study a few months back that found that in high stress and dangerous situations the human brain automatically switches into conservative mode implying that conservatism is something of a human default in regard to self preservation?

Yeah, we read that bullshit when it was published. There isn't a shred of evidence to support it. It's pure self-serving liberal moonshine

 

[Skull Pilot]

I never said it did. I would guess because when someone is unemployed they don't spend as much and therefore there is less revenue from sales tax.

How is this a "conservative" position?

I never said you did say that did I? I was responding to your " challenge"

It was a mainstay in the OP that conservatives are stupid because they think laying off public employees won't decrease tax revenue. And guess what? They're right.

Sales tax is a state issue. And it still doesn't matter because the sales tax that public employees pay is still funded via the taxes of the private sector

Tax revenues go down across the board when people lose their jobs.

Its common sense.

And common sense ain't so common is it?

We are talking about public employees.

When public employees lose their jobs tax revenue does not decrease it increases.

Do I have to do the math for you again or are you capable of clicking this link?

http://www.usmessageboard.com/politics/237533-professor-says-liberals-are-smarter-than-conservatives-4.html#post5722054

 

[NoNukes]

Those who can, do. Those who can't, teach.

That line sounds as stupid today as it did when it was first spoken.

 

[Skull Pilot]

Those who can, do. Those who can't, teach.

That line sounds as stupid today as it did when it was first spoken.

You forgot the last part.

Those who can't teach teach phys ed.

 

[8537]

Government plays a role in civil society, I don't know where you Libs get the bizarre notion that we're calling for the elimination of government, but since you and TM and Deany all say that, it must must been a "thought" fed into the Collective.

Here, I'll repeat Milton Friedman's words, he said it best, “The world runs on individuals pursuing their separate interests. The great achievements of civilization have not come from government bureaus. Einstein didn’t construct his theory under order from a bureaucrat. Henry Ford didn’t revolutionize the automobile industry that way. In the only cases in which the masses have escaped from the kind of grinding poverty you’re talking about, the only cases in recorded history, are where they have had capitalism and largely free trade.

That's hilarious on many levels. Tell me,Frank, did Henry Ford's company benefit from the creation of public roads upon which to drive his cars? Did Einstein benefit from public education? The point isn't that government creates great achievements, it's that government fosters their creation. That's why nations with strong governments enforcing strong legal protections see the greatest achievement.

Milt sure didn't talk about the development of nuclear power, landing a man on the moon, developing an international space station etc...I wonder why?

I object to Obama (and apparently yours too since you've surrendered your ability for independent thought) notion that success is Totally owed to the government

I object to you continuing to lie. Obama never said that. You know that, of course, but you have to lie in order to try to keep him out of office in 2013. It's OK, it's just how some of you Republicans roll these days.

 

[Pho_King]

Those who can, do. Those who can't, teach.

That line sounds as stupid today as it did when it was first spoken.

You must be one of those that can't.

 

[OohPooPahDoo]

I never said you did say that did I? I was responding to your " challenge"

It was a mainstay in the OP that conservatives are stupid because they think laying off public employees won't decrease tax revenue. And guess what? They're right.

Sales tax is a state issue. And it still doesn't matter because the sales tax that public employees pay is still funded via the taxes of the private sector

Tax revenues go down across the board when people lose their jobs.

Its common sense.

And common sense ain't so common is it?

We are talking about public employees.

When public employees lose their jobs tax revenue does not decrease it increases.

Do I have to do the math for you again or are you capable of clicking this link?

http://www.usmessageboard.com/politics/237533-professor-says-liberals-are-smarter-than-conservatives-4.html#post5722054

Your post makes no fucking sense whatsoever.

My job is funded by the state government. If I lose it - that decreases federal tax revenues. It deceases sales tax revenues into my local government. That's a fact. Sorry you don't like it.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Oh, this will be fun. Lets get you on record.

Are you saying, that EVERY major achievement in civilization has NOT come from government bureaus, but rather from capitalism and largely free trade? EVERY major achievement.

Also, are you saying, that the ONLY way to improve the lives of ordinary people is through the free-enterprise system? The ONLY way.

Please answer. I want you on record for this.

This conversation is beyond you, I don't expect you to understand what I'm about to say.

The Roman built the aqueducts and the Colosseum and those are still standing today. Were they "bureaucrats" by today's standards? Nope.

Today Bureaucrats run NY City Public Housing and they only thing they created is poverty and slums.

Look at the People republic of Vietnam, which is now economically to the right of the "American Left. When Bureaucrats ran their economy they had to import 2 millions tons of rice annual to keep the population from starving. The Bureaucrats were handed their walking papers, free enterprise directs the economy and they are now the second largest exporter of rice on the planet

Did you follow that?

Despite the horrendous grammar, I did follow it.

And we can all see you failed to respond to either of my questions, while already back tracking on your position. Awesome.

Not surprising, you asked a very stupid question and I answered as best I could.

 

[Skull Pilot]

Tax revenues go down across the board when people lose their jobs.

Its common sense.

And common sense ain't so common is it?

We are talking about public employees.

When public employees lose their jobs tax revenue does not decrease it increases.



Do I have to do the math for you again or are you capable of clicking this link?

http://www.usmessageboard.com/politics/237533-professor-says-liberals-are-smarter-than-conservatives-4.html#post5722054

Your post makes no fucking sense whatsoever.



My job is funded by the state government. If I lose it - that decreases federal tax revenues. It deceases sales tax revenues into my local government. That's a fact. Sorry you don't like it.

Then if you lose you job state tax revenue goes up. So it's better for people who live in your state. Your state will have more money therefore it will need less federal aid so therefore the federal government spends less tax money and net tax revenue increases

It works the same for states or federal taxes.

And your federal taxes are being paid by other people not by you since 100% of your money comes from state taxes. In the aggregate tax revenues increase as public sector employees are fired.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Government plays a role in civil society, I don't know where you Libs get the bizarre notion that we're calling for the elimination of government, but since you and TM and Deany all say that, it must must been a "thought" fed into the Collective.

Here, I'll repeat Milton Friedman's words, he said it best, “The world runs on individuals pursuing their separate interests. The great achievements of civilization have not come from government bureaus. Einstein didn’t construct his theory under order from a bureaucrat. Henry Ford didn’t revolutionize the automobile industry that way. In the only cases in which the masses have escaped from the kind of grinding poverty you’re talking about, the only cases in recorded history, are where they have had capitalism and largely free trade.

That's hilarious on many levels. Tell me,Frank, did Henry Ford's company benefit from the creation of public roads upon which to drive his cars? Did Einstein benefit from public education? The point isn't that government creates great achievements, it's that government fosters their creation. That's why nations with strong governments enforcing strong legal protections see the greatest achievement.

Milt sure didn't talk about the development of nuclear power, landing a man on the moon, developing an international space station etc...I wonder why?

I object to Obama (and apparently yours too since you've surrendered your ability for independent thought) notion that success is Totally owed to the government

I object to you continuing to lie. Obama never said that. You know that, of course, but you have to lie in order to try to keep him out of office in 2013. It's OK, it's just how some of you Republicans roll these days.

You're so close to understanding the point! I think it's the last vestige of your individuality struggling to break out of the Progressive Collective!

What you've described is a "free Enterprise System" where government enforces the rules of civil society. That's exactly the point we're making, government plays a role but it does not do very well as the driver of the economy.

Also, do you happen to know anything at all about Einstein's educational background and experience in school? You should look it up, it's a classic example of the tragedy of a government run One Size Fits All educational system.

Henry Ford's car did indeed benefit from roads, but without Ford's innovation and entrepreneurship they would be only be horses on those roads. You see that, right? The roads didn't build the cars.

 

[8537]

What you've described is a "free Enterprise System" where government enforces the rules of civil society. That's exactly the point we're making, government plays a role but it does not do very well as the driver of the economy.

No one claimed that government "does very well as the driver of the economy". Again, that's just you babbling and making shit up because you don't like the guy who holds office - nevermind that the guy who wants his job has said the same thing.

Henry Ford's car did indeed benefit from roads, but without Ford's innovation and entrepreneurship they would be only be horses on those roads. You see that, right? The roads didn't build the cars.

and without a system of publicly funded roads, his cars would still be driving 20 mph on post roads.

 

[bripat9643]

That's hilarious on many levels. Tell me,Frank, did Henry Ford's company benefit from the creation of public roads upon which to drive his cars?

Those "public roads" were built for horse drawn carraiges. Most of them were little more then ruts in the dirt.

Did Einstein benefit from public education?

Albert Einstein - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Einsteins were non-observant Jews. Albert attended a Catholic elementary school from the age of five for three years. Later, at the age of eight, Einstein was transferred to the Luitpold Gymnasium where he received advanced primary and secondary school education until he left Germany seven years later.

A "gymnasium" is a private school, so Einstein didn't benefit from public education.

The point isn't that government creates great achievements, it's that government fosters their creation.

Actually, no it doesn't. Government gets in the way far more than it helps.

That's why nations with strong governments enforcing strong legal protections see the greatest achievement.

Total complete bullshit. According to that theory, the former Soviet Union and Communist China should have achieved far more than the United States.

Milt sure didn't talk about the development of nuclear power, landing a man on the moon, developing an international space station etc...I wonder why?.

Possibly he didn't mention it because the second and third items are of no benefit whatsoever to the average guy on the street. Nuclear power is an offshoot of the development of nuclear weapons, which are used to kill people.

Yeah, government has always been good at killing people.

I object to Obama (and apparently yours too since you've surrendered your ability for independent thought) notion that success is Totally owed to the government

I object to you continuing to lie. Obama never said that. You know that, of course, but you have to lie in order to try to keep him out of office in 2013. It's OK, it's just how some of you Republicans roll these days.

"You didn't build that"

- Barak Obama -

Enough said.