Pro-Life Republicans Would Have This Child Die Due To Trumpcare

[OldLady]

The left would simply say "your child was born deformed. Under our policy of post birth abortion, your baby will be put in the closet until it dies and we sell off the body parts"

So a lot of people would probably know the fetus had severe problems prior to birth. Some of them choose to abort, as much for the sake of the child who would lead a horrible, short, painful life. Others would not. If a couple chooses to have such a child, they should agree to be financially responsible for all care. That of course could include maintaining insurance. Would that be too unfair?

 

[OldLady]

More stupidity by someone who is probably "pro life"

GOP Congressman Laughs Off Prenatal Coverage: ‘Why Do We Have To Pay For That Coverage That We Can’t Use?’ | Right Wing Watch

I have some concerns because, one thing, they still guarantee coverage for ten essential conditions,” Olson said, “and one of those conditions—this is care for all, includes you and me—it’s prenatal care. …I think we all have what we call an X chromosome. You, me, JP, Tom and Chuck have those, which means we can’t have a baby. Why do we have to pay for that coverage that we can’t use?”

Because you dumb fuck, you or another male person participated in the creation of that child. For another thing, that is just how insurance works. You pay for coverage that you may never need and others pay for coverage that they may never need.......but YOU MIGHT NEED IT.

Lastly, moron, if children are born with illnesses or defects that could have been prevented by pre natal care, WHO THE FUCK DO YOU THINK WILL PAY FOR THAT?

Most illnesses and defects a child is born with aren't due to prenatal lack of care. Mother Nature screws up.

 

[westwall]

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Medical knowledge and technology have advanced considerably over the past few decades. Treatments that could only be imagined thirty or even twenty years ago are today routine. They are routine, but also expensive.
The United States, no, not the United States, but conservatives in the United States want us to be the only developed nation to NOT offer universal healthcare. Why, because it might cost the 0.1% more in taxes.

The article at the link below illustrates the contradiction of the conservatives'/Republicans’ supposedly pro-life stance. The child who is the main case in the article was born with “heterotaxy syndrome, a rare genetic disorder that can lead to the malformation or abnormal arrangement of internal organs.”

Ultra sound examinations and other examples of medical technology would have shown this malformation in the womb. But as we all know, the pro-lifers would never permit the mother an abortion, even if it had been necessary to save her life.

However, at the same time, pro-life conservatives and Republicans want to eliminate the availability of affordable medical coverage to low income individuals and families through Medicaid, or with the subsidies provided by Obamacare. What this means is, the pro-life conservatives and Republicans want the unborn to live, but once the unborn becomes a living, breathing baby, it can die for all they care.

The article at the link, describes this case, a baby, born defective and who must have hundreds-of-thousands of dollars in medical treatments, and shows several other similar cases. All of these no-longer-unborn babies would be sh!t-out-of-luck if Trumpcare becomes law.

It is another, in a long list of examples proving the conservatives'/Republicans’ pro-life hypocrisy.

Toddler’s Staggering Hospital Bill Shows Just What’s At Stake In Obamacare Battle

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Debating a conservative is like playing chess with a pigeon, they wander around the board aimlessly, sh!t on everything, and still believe they won.





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This is what YOU want to replace this system with. YOU. Not us... So fuck you and your imbecilic belief that government is better at caring for us than we are. You are despicable assholes.


"An investigation has been ordered into the avoidable deaths of at least seven babies at one NHS trust.

Mothers said their children had died because midwives “couldn’t be bothered” to fulfil basic monitoring tasks, or to act on warnings that babies were in danger.

The Health Secretary has ordered an investigation into a string of deaths at the Shrewsbury and Telford Hospital NHS trust.

A failure to properly monitor the baby was a factor in five of the deaths, coroners have found.

In total nine babies died between September 2014 and May 2016, the BBC reported.

Seven were found to be avoidable, while two more were never properly investigated, families say."

Avoidable deaths of at least seven babies at NHS trust where midwives 'couldn't be bothered'


"Sentenced to death for being old: The NHS denies life-saving treatment to the elderly, as one man's chilling story reveals

Read more: Sentenced to death for being old: The NHS denies life-saving treatment to the elderly, as one man's chilling story reveals | Daily Mail Online

"Surgeons at the children’s hospital where a one-year-old boy died following delays to urgent surgery have said his death was avoidable and operation waiting lists had reached dangerous lengths."

Kayden Urmston-Bancroft died at Royal Manchester Children’s Hospital (RMCH) last April, a week after he fell at home and hit his mouth on his bottle, reported the BBC.

Toddler dies after waiting three days for life saving operation


Elderly dying due to 'despicable age discrimination in NHS'
Thousands of elderly people are dying unnecessarily early because ‘despicable’ age discrimination in the NHS is denying them treatment for cancer, a charity has warned.

Elderly dying due to 'despicable age discrimination in NHS'


One in 20 hospital deaths preventable

One in twenty hospital deaths preventable - Health News - NHS Choices


Somerset child with rare cancer ‘left to die’ after NHS refused his treatment
A BOY who is the only person in the world to suffer from a super-rare cancer has been "left to die" – after NHS bosses refused to fund his treatment.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/68...-cancer-left-to-die-NHS-refused-his-treatment



Woman, 25, dies of cervical cancer after she was refused smear test for being too young

Read more: http://metro.co.uk/2017/01/12/woman...st-for-being-too-young-6376589/#ixzz4lXBZaLP0

 

[P@triot]

What this means is, the pro-life conservatives and Republicans want the unborn to live, but once the unborn becomes a living, breathing baby, it can die for all they care.

No....what this means BertramN is that you are an immature drama queen.

 

[P@triot]

Sure the VA has problems, but you can't point to it and conclude that everything that the gubbbimint touches turns to shit.

Bullshit. It's one of thousands of examples that everything your beloved gubbmnt touches turns to shit. They can't do anything right because they are trying to do things that government wasn't designed to do.

$20 trillion in debt you immature, tool. The VA is a disaster. The federal government throws money around at idiotic progressive projects like watching shrimp run on a treadmill, the National Endowment for the Arts, and spending $250,000 to renovate an abandoned "visitors center" which has no plans for reopening.

The bottom line ProgressivePatriot - you're a typical left-wing tool. You want to mooch off of society. Well, the American people have spoken and they are good and damn tired of having their wealth taken from them so that you and your fellow parasites can smoke dope and party.

You filthy people hate the U.S. anyway - so go move to another county and let us rebuild what you have destroyed.

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

Sure the VA has problems, but you can't point to it and conclude that everything that the gubbbimint touches turns to shit.

Bullshit. It's one of thousands of examples that everything your beloved gubbmnt touches turns to shit. They can't do anything right because they are trying to do things that government wasn't designed to do.

$20 trillion in debt you immature, tool. The VA is a disaster. The federal government throws money around at idiotic progressive projects like watching shrimp run on a treadmill, the National Endowment for the Arts, and spending $250,000 to renovate an abandoned "visitors center" which has no plans for reopening.

The bottom line ProgressivePatriot - you're a typical left-wing tool. You want to mooch off of society. Well, the American people have spoken and they are good and damn tired of having their wealth taken from them so that you and your fellow parasites can smoke dope and party.

You filthy people hate the U.S. anyway - so go move to another county and let us rebuild what you have destroyed.

Listen jackass, I did not say that the VA is running like a well oiled machine. I said that it alone is not proof that the government can't do anything well. YOU are the tool of the right!

Consider Medicare and Medicaid. Two popular and effective programs that are decades of. Why the fuck do you think that REPUBLICAN governors are up in arms about the proposed cuts to Medicaid. Yes the American people have spoken and you are either unable to hear, or to fucking stupid to understand what they are saying.

 

[DGS49]

Taking a poll of public opinion on a subject as complex as federal health legislation is grossly irresponsible on the part of those commissioning the poll, as well as the pollsters. Not one American in a hundred is knowledgeable enough even to render an informed opinion.

The conundrum of medical "progress" is the ability to maintain life at a cost that can approach infinity. Only a fool would even suggest that "respect for life" mandates spending millions on individual patients with a slim chance of ever leading a full and/or healthy life. Such assertions are implicitly based on the presumption that "somebody else" will pay the cost.

Many families must confront these questions w/r/t elderly parents who can be kept in a vegetative state indefinitely, at exorbitant cost. No cost is too great for the person who doesn't have to pay it.

 

[LOIE]

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Medical knowledge and technology have advanced considerably over the past few decades. Treatments that could only be imagined thirty or even twenty years ago are today routine. They are routine, but also expensive.
The United States, no, not the United States, but conservatives in the United States want us to be the only developed nation to NOT offer universal healthcare. Why, because it might cost the 0.1% more in taxes.

The article at the link below illustrates the contradiction of the conservatives'/Republicans’ supposedly pro-life stance. The child who is the main case in the article was born with “heterotaxy syndrome, a rare genetic disorder that can lead to the malformation or abnormal arrangement of internal organs.”

Ultra sound examinations and other examples of medical technology would have shown this malformation in the womb. But as we all know, the pro-lifers would never permit the mother an abortion, even if it had been necessary to save her life.

However, at the same time, pro-life conservatives and Republicans want to eliminate the availability of affordable medical coverage to low income individuals and families through Medicaid, or with the subsidies provided by Obamacare. What this means is, the pro-life conservatives and Republicans want the unborn to live, but once the unborn becomes a living, breathing baby, it can die for all they care.

The article at the link, describes this case, a baby, born defective and who must have hundreds-of-thousands of dollars in medical treatments, and shows several other similar cases. All of these no-longer-unborn babies would be sh!t-out-of-luck if Trumpcare becomes law.

It is another, in a long list of examples proving the conservatives'/Republicans’ pro-life hypocrisy.

Toddler’s Staggering Hospital Bill Shows Just What’s At Stake In Obamacare Battle

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Debating a conservative is like playing chess with a pigeon, they wander around the board aimlessly, sh!t on everything, and still believe they won.





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/---- Socialized medicine is a failure everywhere. Abortion is murder. Deal with it.


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No one is proposing socialized medicine here so there is no point in even dealing with that.

Regarding abortion....

OK, for the sake of argument, let’s say that you’re right. Abortion is murder. I don’t agree, but I’ll give you that as a starting point. Then the question become, what purpose is served by shouting that over simplified, inflammatory rhetoric from the roof tops? Perhaps those of you who despise the idea of abortion can conceive of a better way to get your message out- a way that might actually gain a sympathetic ear- even among those who are prochoice.

Now, we know that those who are intent on ending abortion really mean ending legal abortion. Right? That, however will not end abortion. It will just mean that women will bleed to death with coat hangers in them, or have their insides burned out with chemicals. It will just mean that those who can afford it will be able to seek out a reasonably reputable and capable abortionist and those who can't will either get the back ally treatment, or wind up with an unwanted child that they are unable to care for financially or emotionally, who will wind up neglected or abused and eventually in foster care and later prison.

I don't like abortion either. I've experienced it and it is not good for anybody, But as a liberal, I see it as a necessary evil that can't be totally eliminated. I do think that it can and should be minimized by meaningful sex education, the availability of birth control, and supporting you people in a way that they feel good about themselves and their future. We can also minimize abortion by assuring people that if they carry that child to term we as a society and a nation will be there for them with financial aid like food stamps and other nutritional programs, with affordable pre school and day care programs, with housing assistance.

Too many pro life people are not really pro life but rather pro fetus. When it comes to prevention of pregnancy or programs for families with children they get stupid real fast. I can respect real pro life people if they are truly pro-life even if I don't agree with them. So how do you respond to the other issues that I raised…are you pro life or just pro fetus?

I've just read a book by Joan Walsh. In this portion she is describing how her mother viewed abortion;

"She was disturbed by the idea of abortion, but I know from our conversations that she found the issue complex and painful. My mother was too much a realist – and too much a feeling, compassionate follower of Jesus Christ – to blindly insist there could never be a reason, a crisis, a tragedy that caused a woman to make a different choice from one she herself thought was right. Knowing that you’re dying and leaving behind three school-aged children probably instills empathy and understanding."

Empathy and understanding is what seems to be lacking on this issue and many others, I think.