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I am listening to your views, and I am not going to "argue" with you here. That's why nothing gets done in DC..Arguin... If we did everything nicely, and treated the people who hate us with manners, then there will be no change. You can't police terrorism. You can't act after the fact. You have to know ahead of time. I asked earlier and it hasn't been answered. Where exaclty has these reports of what we are doing to prisoners come from? If this is so Top Secret then how does CNN know about it? Is it truly just speculation they are doing this or do they have facts. Cause like you said. This may piss some good people off in Iraq. Well...I can understand where you are coming from; but is it true? The torture? Exaclty what type of torture is going on, and like I said....How does anyone except the agents doing it and the President know about it? If someone is leaking this type of information to the press, be it someone in congress or whatever, then they need to be inprisoned. Like you said. We don't need to add fuel to an already fierce situation. But old tactics don't work either. I swear I wish they would keep this crap out of the public..I think politicians spend more time in front of a camera trying to look good than they do actually discussing I.E. arguing about these subjects. I mean hell. It's not like they put these views to a vote that Americans can vote on. Then keep your mouth shut and do your job. And for the love of God....News people....Stop trying to cause trouble. Hell...I half the time think Journalist are terrorist too....Half kidding there.:duh3:
I am listening to your views, and I am not going to "argue" with you here. That's why nothing gets done in DC..Arguin... If we did everything nicely, and treated the people who hate us with manners, then there will be no change. You can't police terrorism. You can't act after the fact. You have to know ahead of time. I asked earlier and it hasn't been answered. Where exaclty has these reports of what we are doing to prisoners come from? If this is so Top Secret then how does CNN know about it? Is it truly just speculation they are doing this or do they have facts. Cause like you said. This may piss some good people off in Iraq. Well...I can understand where you are coming from; but is it true? The torture? Exaclty what type of torture is going on, and like I said....How does anyone except the agents doing it and the President know about it? If someone is leaking this type of information to the press, be it someone in congress or whatever, then they need to be inprisoned. Like you said. We don't need to add fuel to an already fierce situation. But old tactics don't work either. I swear I wish they would keep this crap out of the public..I think politicians spend more time in front of a camera trying to look good than they do actually discussing I.E. arguing about these subjects. I mean hell. It's not like they put these views to a vote that Americans can vote on. Then keep your mouth shut and do your job. And for the love of God....News people....Stop trying to cause trouble. Hell...I half the time think Journalist are terrorist too....Half kidding there.:duh3:
Pale Rider:How did they become so anti-American? Why do they want to champion everything that is BAD for America?
The classic "they cut heads off" response. We are the United States of America, champions of the free world, we should hold ourselves to the highest standards.
Some see these tactics as a way of winning the war on terror. Perhaps one of the torture sessions will yield information about a cave packed with terrorists. Maybe we will go there and kill them. It still does not matter. The nature of our conflict in Iraq creates just as many terrorists as we can kill. The idiocy of a war on terror is that you are worsening the conditions that breed terrorists.
The more brutal our tactics, the more resentment we create in Iraq. Not just among hardliners, but among regular everyday people who want to see their compatriots treated in a fair and just manner. Take that away, and we alienate Iraqis, anger them, and create extremist views.
I totally disagree. Our problem is that we are not brutal enough. We are dealing with an enemy who despises weakness, and nothing less than total domination is seen as just that. Retreat. Weakness. That's what causes them to have contempt for us.
We are trying to fight an enemy who knows no reason. And enemy who considers death in defense of Islam to be the highest honor they can achieve. An enemy who kills children on purpose.
We have no hope of winning unless we are willing to do what it takes. And too many people are too unwilling to recognize what it takes, much less do it.
Our enemy is not a robot, it is a human. It has all of the same emotional susceptibilities as you and I. It would be easier, more efficient, and far less bloody to eliminate the root causes of terrorism, rather than engaging in endless wars in each middle eastern nation.
It's not our responsibility to change them....
That's something the muslim people have to do for themselves..
And if and until they do, we don't have very many choice's...
I'm damn sure not going to sit here, and just let another 9/11 happen, until they decide to get their act together...
If we do not change the flaws in the middle east, attacks on American soil will happen again. Our current missions do nothing but aggravate the critical problems.
The classic "they cut heads off" response. We are the United States of America, champions of the free world, we should hold ourselves to the highest standards.
All the standards in the world won't do JACK SQUAT for you if your country and all you hold dear has been taken over and killed by the Jihad...
If it means we stay around - water-board the bastards all ya want... I mean GOOD LORD - how can you compare Water-boarding an enemy comatant in order to SAVE LIVES to that of how they attack innocent civillians..?
Only in the mind of a moronic lib can you draw a moral equivilence.
You hit the nail on the head, square..... Our problem is that we are not brutal enough. We are dealing with an enemy who despises weakness, and nothing less than total domination is seen as just that. Retreat. Weakness. That's what causes them to have contempt for us......
The classic "they cut heads off" response. We are the United States of America, champions of the free world, we should hold ourselves to the highest standards.
Some see these tactics as a way of winning the war on terror. Perhaps one of the torture sessions will yield information about a cave packed with terrorists. Maybe we will go there and kill them. It still does not matter. The nature of our conflict in Iraq creates just as many terrorists as we can kill. The idiocy of a war on terror is that you are worsening the conditions that breed terrorists.
The more brutal our tactics, the more resentment we create in Iraq. Not just among hardliners, but among regular everyday people who want to see their compatriots treated in a fair and just manner. Take that away, and we alienate Iraqis, anger them, and create extremist views.
All the standards in the world won't do JACK SQUAT for you if your country and all you hold dear has been taken over and killed by the Jihad...
If it means we stay around - water-board the bastards all ya want... I mean GOOD LORD - how can you compare Water-boarding an enemy comatant in order to SAVE LIVES to that of how they attack innocent civillians..?
Only in the mind of a moronic lib can you draw a moral equivilence.
That's tru, which brings up my point that no one wants to address: what we did to get this information, whatever it was, was not torture.Hasn't it already been proven that info gathered during torture usually isn't reliable?
That's tru, which brings up my point that no one wants to address: what we did to get this information, whatever it was, was not torture.
The only examples that I have heard are basically: Water board, fake executions, sleep deprivation, cold room, Barry Manilow music, threatening with dogs, pile up naked, confining positions, etc. None of these is torture by the literal sense of the word as intended by Geneva, and if it was, half the collge frats would be shut down.
Webster: "the infliction of intense pain (as from burning, crushing, or wounding) to punish, coerce, or afford sadistic pleasure"
So there are no moral imperatives? Does the end justify the means? I am by no means for gong easy on these bastards, but I stop short of torture. Yes, water-boarding is torture.
Exactly! I don't have a problem w/ any of the tactics we know about, but I do not believe we should be literally torturing prisoner.