President Obama: Doom on the Horizon

[PoliticalChic]

The President was elected, not by the dyed-in-the-wool liberals, but rather with the good wishes of independents, who hoped for the well advertised 'post-racial presidency.'

A casual glance at the threads on the board today, and one can quickly see that the last year and a half has hardly moved the country to a new dimension in race relations.

This failure of the Presidents' promise will not go unnoticed.

Nor has President Obama provided other motivations to vote for him.


WASHINGTON -- After nearly two years of Hope and Change, the seas have not receded, the world has not turned into a gentle dove in His hands, and we have not slipped the surly shackles of partisanship.


The Obama administration prejudged Sherrod and her 45-minute speech based on a two-minute snippet zapped around the Internet by her detractors.

Welcome to yet another "teachable moment" in American race relations. In the last such moment, Professor Obama initially went off half-cocked and assumed that a white cop was wrong to arrest his black buddy.

With debt cascading all around us, government incompetence more evident than ever, and puny politics reining unchecked, Americans thought we could take solace in one sure achievement of Obama's election.

America's first black president, we thought, might move us beyond the tangled kelp of racism.

Read more: O the race 'healer' just another heel - NYPOST.com


Read more: O the race 'healer' just another heel - NYPOST.com

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

But.. but... but... "Hope and Change".

 

[Bob Roberts]

The President was elected, not by the dyed-in-the-wool liberals, but rather with the good wishes of independents, who hoped for the well advertised 'post-racial presidency.'

As I recall, President Obama was elected not for some distant concept of post-racialism, but because America (including independent voters) were looking for change from the Bush presidency. During the months leading up to the presidential election, the economy took a severe turn for the worse, with unemployment increasing significantly. The nail in the coffin for McCain was when he declared that 'the fundamentals of our economy are strong' in mid-September 2008. This made him appear out of touch on the biggest issue of the election.

 

[PoliticalChic]

The President was elected, not by the dyed-in-the-wool liberals, but rather with the good wishes of independents, who hoped for the well advertised 'post-racial presidency.'

As I recall, President Obama was elected not for some distant concept of post-racialism, but because America (including independent voters) were looking for change from the Bush presidency. During the months leading up to the presidential election, the economy took a severe turn for the worse, with unemployment increasing significantly. The nail in the coffin for McCain was when he declared that 'the fundamentals of our economy are strong' in mid-September 2008. This made him appear out of touch on the biggest issue of the election.

Before I entertain your challenge, are you denying that the premise in my quote above is beyond possibility?

 

[Bob Roberts]

Before I entertain your challenge, are you denying that the premise in my quote above is beyond possibility?

What's the premise of Charles Hurt's editorial? That America continues to be prejudiced and Obama did not deliver on improving race relations?

 

[Immanuel]

The President was elected, not by the dyed-in-the-wool liberals, but rather with the good wishes of independents, who hoped for the well advertised 'post-racial presidency.'

As I recall, President Obama was elected not for some distant concept of post-racialism, but because America (including independent voters) were looking for change from the Bush presidency. During the months leading up to the presidential election, the economy took a severe turn for the worse, with unemployment increasing significantly. The nail in the coffin for McCain was when he declared that 'the fundamentals of our economy are strong' in mid-September 2008. This made him appear out of touch on the biggest issue of the election.

I have to disagree.

McCain never had a prayer of winning the election. Part of the reason was the screw ups of the Bush Administration, but Bush could have done everything right, and I don't think McCain could have won.

McCain is an ass that never should have been nominated in the first place.

Immie

 

[fyrenza]

The President was elected, not by the dyed-in-the-wool liberals, but rather with the good wishes of independents, who hoped for the well advertised 'post-racial presidency.'

As I recall, President Obama was elected not for some distant concept of post-racialism, but because America (including independent voters) were looking for change from the Bush presidency. During the months leading up to the presidential election, the economy took a severe turn for the worse, with unemployment increasing significantly. The nail in the coffin for McCain was when he declared that 'the fundamentals of our economy are strong' in mid-September 2008. This made him appear out of touch on the biggest issue of the election.

Bullshit!

IF we'd JUST wanted "change,"

we could have CHANGED the faces.

Unfortunately, a bunch of you that were asleep at the wheel fell for Hope & Change.

Well, guess what?

HOPE you can CHANGE this around, to be something other than the disaster it is.

Oh.

And, good luck with that.

See you at the polls.

 

[fyrenza]

I have to disagree.

McCain never had a prayer of winning the election. Part of the reason was the screw ups of the Bush Administration, but Bush could have done everything right, and I don't think McCain could have won.

McCain is an ass that never should have been nominated in the first place.

Immie

They did it 'cuz he was a POW.

They actually thought that we had killing in mind,

and didn't even ASK us what we were actually thinking.

More's the pity...

 

[Immanuel]

I have to disagree.

McCain never had a prayer of winning the election. Part of the reason was the screw ups of the Bush Administration, but Bush could have done everything right, and I don't think McCain could have won.

McCain is an ass that never should have been nominated in the first place.

Immie

They did it 'cuz he was a POW.

They actually thought that we had killing in mind,

and didn't even ASK us what we were actually thinking.

More's the pity...

Don't get me wrong the man is a hero, but as a politician he sucks ass.

Immie

 

[Charles_Main]

The President was elected, not by the dyed-in-the-wool liberals, but rather with the good wishes of independents, who hoped for the well advertised 'post-racial presidency.'

As I recall, President Obama was elected not for some distant concept of post-racialism, but because America (including independent voters) were looking for change from the Bush presidency. During the months leading up to the presidential election, the economy took a severe turn for the worse, with unemployment increasing significantly. The nail in the coffin for McCain was when he declared that 'the fundamentals of our economy are strong' in mid-September 2008. This made him appear out of touch on the biggest issue of the election.

I have to disagree.

McCain never had a prayer of winning the election. Part of the reason was the screw ups of the Bush Administration, but Bush could have done everything right, and I don't think McCain could have won.

McCain is an ass that never should have been nominated in the first place.

Immie

I don't agree. for 2 reasons.

First McCain Ran a terrible, and I mean Terrible Campaign. And picked a terrible VP

Second Obama ran as a Moderate Liberal which sold many Independents, and convinced enough Conservatives they could afford to stay home to punish the GOP and risk Obama. Despite how it has been charactorized Obama did not win by some stunning Majority. only 4 Million votes separated the 2. The GOP estimated about 4 Million Conservatives, Up set with the GOP and BUSH, Simply stayed home. And several Million Independents Bought Obama's Bill of goods, Because nobody including McCain could convince them Obama would turn out to be what he has become. The Most Left wing President we have ever had. A president who lies constantly, uses fear tactics more than Bush did, Sues Whole states when 77% of Americans think he should not, Plays the race card at every turn (at least his supporters do), and is well and truly out of his depth. So far save for a few good calls, all Obama has added to his 2 Big ideas "hope and change" is, I inherited this mess, It's not my fault, Blame BUSH.

IMO had McCain Ran a better campaign, and if Obama had ran on a platform that showed his true nature, which we all now see. McCain would have had a good chance of winning.

Actual Objective coverage of the campaigns by the Media might have helped as well

In fact I would Bet had the Main Stream Left wing media actually done it's Job and investigated Obama and honestly reported his past, his connections, and his Ideas, The American people would have saw him for what he was and Hillary would have won the nomination. But alas instead they actively supported Obama, And sought to hush up any detractors, and kill legitimate stories that would have shown Obama for what he is.

A straight up Radical Marxist with a Black liberation Theology Back ground.

 

[Bob Roberts]

Obama did win an electoral college landslide (365 to 173).

I don't think Obama's future is bleak, although I think the Democrats lose control of Congress in November. Hopefully, by gaining more congressional seats, Republicans will actually do their job and create legislation, rather than obstruct.

There are things I disagree with regarding Obama's governance. For example, I would like for him to back multilateral trade agreements. Further, although I do agree with health care as fundamental right for Americans, I wanted Obama to fully address the mortgage problem. He should have really leaned-in on the banks and forced them to write-down their working assets to actual property values. This would've been fair, considering bank culpability, and meaningful, since consumer spending will not rise until people's home value falls more in line with their mortgage value.

But I do think Obama wins in '12. And I will probably vote for him again. If the Republican Party is smart and wants to win, they should nominate Mitt Romney. However, I am not sure Republicans can accept the similarities of Romney’s health care policy vs. Obama’s.

 

[Avatar4321]

The President was elected, not by the dyed-in-the-wool liberals, but rather with the good wishes of independents, who hoped for the well advertised 'post-racial presidency.'

As I recall, President Obama was elected not for some distant concept of post-racialism, but because America (including independent voters) were looking for change from the Bush presidency. During the months leading up to the presidential election, the economy took a severe turn for the worse, with unemployment increasing significantly. The nail in the coffin for McCain was when he declared that 'the fundamentals of our economy are strong' in mid-September 2008. This made him appear out of touch on the biggest issue of the election.

I have to disagree.

McCain never had a prayer of winning the election. Part of the reason was the screw ups of the Bush Administration, but Bush could have done everything right, and I don't think McCain could have won.

McCain is an ass that never should have been nominated in the first place.

Immie

That's what we get for holding open primaries. Whoever was the genius who though allowing Democrats vote in a Republican primary, especially in the early stages where all the momentum is built, is a complete idiot. At least IMHO

 

[The Rabbi]

Obama did win an electoral college landslide (365 to 173).

I don't think Obama's future is bleak, although I think the Democrats lose control of Congress in November. Hopefully, by gaining more congressional seats, Republicans will actually do their job and create legislation, rather than obstruct.

There are things I disagree with regarding Obama's governance. For example, I would like for him to back multilateral trade agreements. Further, although I do agree with health care as fundamental right for Americans, I wanted Obama to fully address the mortgage problem. He should have really leaned-in on the banks and forced them to write-down their working assets to actual property values. This would've been fair, considering bank culpability, and meaningful, since consumer spending will not rise until people's home value falls more in line with their mortgage value.

But I do think Obama wins in '12. And I will probably vote for him again. If the Republican Party is smart and wants to win, they should nominate Mitt Romney. However, I am not sure Republicans can accept the similarities of Romney’s health care policy vs. Obama’s.

That isn't a landslide. Reagan's victories over Carter and Mondale were landslides.
Obama hasn't leaned on the banks? What world do you inhabit again?
Since you are a self confessed Obama voter and even still a believer, why in the world would anyone listen to you regarding who the Republicans should nominate? The GOP already nominated a "centrist" and a compromiser. Why would we want to repeat that with a Biden-lite candidate?

 

[Bob Roberts]

That isn't a landslide. Reagan's victories over Carter and Mondale were landslides.
Obama hasn't leaned on the banks? What world do you inhabit again?
Since you are a self confessed Obama voter and even still a believer, why in the world would anyone listen to you regarding who the Republicans should nominate? The GOP already nominated a "centrist" and a compromiser. Why would we want to repeat that with a Biden-lite candidate?

Ok, Obama won convincingly.

I live on planet Earth, where banks were given 0% federal loans for bad business decisions. The planet you live in is dictated by rhetoric and illusion.

The bottom-line regarding the financial crisis is that banks made risky bets knowing that they would be rendered too big to fail and get bailed out, if worse comes worse. Obviously, something needed to be done to stop the entire financial system from collapsing. But after the banks got back onto their feet, I wanted Obama to do what I mentioned earlier. The US economy is largely driven by consumers, and consumers won’t spend money when the value of their mortgage far exceeds the actual value of their property. The banks were key players in creating and sustaining the mortgage asset bubble. Ultimately, they underwrote this garbage.

What specific adjustments to corporate governance/responsibility or employee incentive compensation have banks instituted to prohibit the exploitation of the next asset bubble? The recent regulatory legislation helps dissolve failing banks, but does little to reduce the size of banks, which renders them too big to fail after they exploit the next asset bubble.

 

[Bob Roberts]

Also, I am not partisan hack. I actually try to follow politics objectively. If the Republican Party moves further to the right and nominates a fringe candidate, they will lose the independent vote and only retain the 30-35% base vote. They will lose. Mitt Romney is a centrist, and a centrist has a better opportunity to appeal to independent voters. The fringe right spends too much time on hot-button social issues, which is a distraction from what independent voters mostly care about.

 

[Immanuel]

As I recall, President Obama was elected not for some distant concept of post-racialism, but because America (including independent voters) were looking for change from the Bush presidency. During the months leading up to the presidential election, the economy took a severe turn for the worse, with unemployment increasing significantly. The nail in the coffin for McCain was when he declared that 'the fundamentals of our economy are strong' in mid-September 2008. This made him appear out of touch on the biggest issue of the election.

I have to disagree.

McCain never had a prayer of winning the election. Part of the reason was the screw ups of the Bush Administration, but Bush could have done everything right, and I don't think McCain could have won.

McCain is an ass that never should have been nominated in the first place.

Immie

I don't agree. for 2 reasons.

First McCain Ran a terrible, and I mean Terrible Campaign. And picked a terrible VP

Second Obama ran as a Moderate Liberal which sold many Independents, and convinced enough Conservatives they could afford to stay home to punish the GOP and risk Obama. Despite how it has been charactorized Obama did not win by some stunning Majority. only 4 Million votes separated the 2. The GOP estimated about 4 Million Conservatives, Up set with the GOP and BUSH, Simply stayed home. And several Million Independents Bought Obama's Bill of goods, Because nobody including McCain could convince them Obama would turn out to be what he has become. The Most Left wing President we have ever had. A president who lies constantly, uses fear tactics more than Bush did, Sues Whole states when 77% of Americans think he should not, Plays the race card at every turn (at least his supporters do), and is well and truly out of his depth. So far save for a few good calls, all Obama has added to his 2 Big ideas "hope and change" is, I inherited this mess, It's not my fault, Blame BUSH.

IMO had McCain Ran a better campaign, and if Obama had ran on a platform that showed his true nature, which we all now see. McCain would have had a good chance of winning.

Actual Objective coverage of the campaigns by the Media might have helped as well

In fact I would Bet had the Main Stream Left wing media actually done it's Job and investigated Obama and honestly reported his past, his connections, and his Ideas, The American people would have saw him for what he was and Hillary would have won the nomination. But alas instead they actively supported Obama, And sought to hush up any detractors, and kill legitimate stories that would have shown Obama for what he is.

A straight up Radical Marxist with a Black liberation Theology Back ground.

I don't believe McCain could have won if he had a Genie in a bottle and all three wishes left over.

He was a terrible choice. I would have voted for Cruela DeVille or Cinderella's evil step mother before I voted for McCain.

Immie

 

[saveliberty]

More of a heat versus humidity thing. It isn't the doom as much as the gloom. Keep your ice cubes handy tomorrow y'all.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Before I entertain your challenge, are you denying that the premise in my quote above is beyond possibility?

What's the premise of Charles Hurt's editorial? That America continues to be prejudiced and Obama did not deliver on improving race relations?

Forgive me, Bob for not welcoming you to the board.

Now, the premise that our President received a great deal of support in anticipation of a 'post racial' era of harmony....hopes that have, largely, been dashed.

Victor Davis Hanson says same much better than I.

"Weren't we supposed to enter a new age of tolerance with the election of President Barack Obama?

His half-black, half-white ancestry and broad support across racial lines suggested that at last Americans judged each other on the content of our characters — not the color of our skin or our tribal affiliations.
Instead, in just 18 months of the Obama administration, racial discord is growing and relations seem to have been set back a generation.
Black voters are galvanizing behind Obama at a time of rapidly falling support. White independents, in contrast, are leaving Obama in droves.

Why the escalation of racial tension in the supposed postracial age of Obama?

First, Obama's reputation as a racial healer was largely the creation of the media. In fact, Obama had a number of racially polarizing incidents that probably would have disqualified any other presidential candidate of the past 30 years.

Recently, Obama appealed to voters along exclusionary race and gender lines — not traditional political allegiances — when he called upon "the young people, African-Americans, Latinos and women, who powered our victory in 2008."

Yet the country passed the old white/black divide years ago. In a world of conservative Cubans and liberal whites, race is no longer necessarily a guide to politics.

The more the president appeals to his base in racial terms, the more his appointees identify themselves as members of a particular tribe, and the more political issues are framed by racial divisions, so all the more such racial obsession creates a backlash among the racially diverse American people.

Tragically, our president and a host of his supportAmerica has largely moved beyond race. ive special interests have not."Opinion: Victor Davis Hanson: America has moved beyond race, and the president should, too - San Jose Mercury News

(emphasis mine throughout)

 

[Truthmatters]

Also, I am not partisan hack. I actually try to follow politics objectively. If the Republican Party moves further to the right and nominates a fringe candidate, they will lose the independent vote and only retain the 30-35% base vote. They will lose. Mitt Romney is a centrist, and a centrist has a better opportunity to appeal to independent voters. The fringe right spends too much time on hot-button social issues, which is a distraction from what independent voters mostly care about.

Mitt Romney has a problem.

He is a morman and the republican base are christians.

They will likely not vote for a morman in large enough numbers to put him over the top

 

[Jarhead]

The President was elected, not by the dyed-in-the-wool liberals, but rather with the good wishes of independents, who hoped for the well advertised 'post-racial presidency.'

As I recall, President Obama was elected not for some distant concept of post-racialism, but because America (including independent voters) were looking for change from the Bush presidency. During the months leading up to the presidential election, the economy took a severe turn for the worse, with unemployment increasing significantly. The nail in the coffin for McCain was when he declared that 'the fundamentals of our economy are strong' in mid-September 2008. This made him appear out of touch on the biggest issue of the election.

What McCain tried to do was avoid investor hysteria at a time when the economy was fragile. He acted as a leader and his opponent, without putting long term thought into it, opted to capitalize on the comment and magnify investor hysteria.

McCain had been a senator for longer than Obama had been out of diapers. He was very much in touch with reality and very much aware of what the people needed to hear at that moment.

As a conservative, McCain was not my choice of candidate, but in my eyes, he said what needed to be said at that moment.

Only partisan fools or the financially naive saw his words as him "being out of touch". The rest of us saw him being a mature leader.

If only Obama knew how strong a politicians words can be...and how dangerous it is to overstate a situation.