President Elect Donald J Trump; Demagogic Genius

[JoeB131]

The Presidency isn't elected by one person, one vote. Its the way it works. You are just a whiny useless twat-bitch, nothing more or less.

Guy, every other president won the popular vote except for five guys.

The four who took office were the worst presidents we ever had.

The point is the people get it right. they knew Bush was no good, they knew Trump is no good.

 

[JoeB131]

Right, Trump somehow duped 60 million voters do you know how utterly stupid that sounds. Just admit it Hillary was a flawed candidate with a ton of baggage and she lost fair and square.

Well, no she won by 2 million votes.

And, yes, a lot of you are dupes. YOu are going to be really shocked when those jobs he promised you don't come back.

 

[martybegan]

The Presidency isn't elected by one person, one vote. Its the way it works. You are just a whiny useless twat-bitch, nothing more or less.

Guy, every other president won the popular vote except for five guys.

The four who took office were the worst presidents we ever had.

The point is the people get it right. they knew Bush was no good, they knew Trump is no good.

In your idiot opinion maybe.

Again, there are some Mormons that need to be bashed, go have some fun.

 

[JoeB131]

In your idiot opinion maybe.

actually, most historians rate the "Unelected" presidents as the worst ones.

Bush-- of course, goes without saying. War over a lie, 2 Recessions, a major city lost due to his incompetence... The man fucked up everything.

But the guy who deserves real scorn in Rutherford B. Hayes. He's the one who lost the peace of the civil war by letting the South go back to all their old bad behaviors.

 

[martybegan]

In your idiot opinion maybe.

actually, most historians rate the "Unelected" presidents as the worst ones.

Bush-- of course, goes without saying. War over a lie, 2 Recessions, a major city lost due to his incompetence... The man fucked up everything.

But the guy who deserves real scorn in Rutherford B. Hayes. He's the one who lost the peace of the civil war by letting the South go back to all their old bad behaviors.

No, they were elected. They won by the rules.

And your opinions on Bush are meaningless due to your overall hatred and asshattery.

And Hayes inherited the mess of the Southern States being returned to the Union too quickly. and you seem to forget that Plessey was what sealed the deal, you know, those activist courts you love ignoring the document you hate.

 

[BluesLegend]

Right, Trump somehow duped 60 million voters do you know how utterly stupid that sounds. Just admit it Hillary was a flawed candidate with a ton of baggage and she lost fair and square.

Well, no she won by 2 million votes.

And, yes, a lot of you are dupes. YOu are going to be really shocked when those jobs he promised you don't come back.

She didn't win shit idiot. That's like saying the football team with the most yardage won when they got their ass beat 42 to 10 you morons don't get to make up your own election rules. Now that we have established you are a moron, subtract all the illegal related votes and your old hag didn't even get the most votes. Tissue?

 

[leftwinger]

Hillary got 1.7 million more of them.

The people Said, "NO"

I "heard" ALL the votes are not yet counted. Many states where Trump won overwhelmingly see no reason to continue counting? This leaves millions of Trump votes not counted. However, in the HRC states (CA, ORE, NY, ILL) they are over-turning file cabinets to find every illegal vote they can possibly dig up. yes illegals voted in CA! gasp! choke! cough!


May I offer you a nice Cheddar to go with your WHine...........I don't have link fo ya...

 

[QuickHitCurepon]

Right, Trump somehow duped 60 million voters do you know how utterly stupid that sounds. Just admit it Hillary was a flawed candidate with a ton of baggage and she lost fair and square.

Well, no she won by 2 million votes.

And, yes, a lot of you are dupes. YOu are going to be really shocked when those jobs he promised you don't come back.

Do you read tea leaves?

 

[JoeB131]

No, they were elected. They won by the rules.

And your opinions on Bush are meaningless due to your overall hatred and asshattery.

Well, no, my opinions are backed up by the fact that all that bad stuff happened when he was president, mostly due to his ineptitude.

And Hayes inherited the mess of the Southern States being returned to the Union too quickly. and you seem to forget that Plessey was what sealed the deal, you know, those activist courts you love ignoring the document you hate.

Hayes traded ending reconstruction for getting elected in what was known as the corrupt deal. He was referred to by his contemporaries as 'His Fraudulency"

No, putting people into office the people didn't want is ALWAYS a bad idea.

Always.

As we are about to find out again.

The people said "No" to Trump's racism, misogyny and hate. They got it right, the EC is getting it wrong.

 

[SassyIrishLass]

Right, Trump somehow duped 60 million voters do you know how utterly stupid that sounds. Just admit it Hillary was a flawed candidate with a ton of baggage and she lost fair and square.

Well, no she won by 2 million votes.

.

Who's going to be sworn in as POTUS January 20, 2017?

 

[JoeB131]

Who's going to be sworn in as POTUS January 20, 2017?

And probably impeached a year later.

 

[BluesLegend]

Right, Trump somehow duped 60 million voters do you know how utterly stupid that sounds. Just admit it Hillary was a flawed candidate with a ton of baggage and she lost fair and square.

Well, no she won by 2 million votes.

.

Who's going to be sworn in as POTUS January 20, 2017?

You big meanie...

 

[BluesLegend]

Who's going to be sworn in as POTUS January 20, 2017?

And probably impeached a year later.

A conservative will be elected president next and you people will be longing for the days of Trump.

 

[JoeB131]

A conservative will be elected president next and you people will be longing for the days of Trump.

Unlikely. My problem with Trump has never been his idealogy, whatever that is.

My problem with Trump is that he's normalized racism and misogyny.

"Yes, Trump called all the MExicans rapists, but Hillary used the wrong kind of Email! That's just as bad!"

 

[Correll]

A conservative will be elected president next and you people will be longing for the days of Trump.

Unlikely. My problem with Trump has never been his idealogy, whatever that is.

My problem with Trump is that he's normalized racism and misogyny.

"Yes, Trump called all the MExicans rapists, but Hillary used the wrong kind of Email! That's just as bad!"

Why do you lie so much?

 

[jillian]

Well, I've been saying this for some time, though I dont consider Trump to be a demagogue.

But the article is interesting food for thought.

The demagogic genius of Donald J. Trump

Yet it's also the case that our appreciation for the distinct character of the threat Trump poses to the country's political order would be enhanced if we devoted a little more time to acknowledging that the risks are at least as much a product of Trump's talents as they are of his many faults.

The ominous fact is that Trump is undeniably one of the greatest intuitive political geniuses in history. Think about it: A wealthy businessman with no political experience at all takes on more than a dozen experienced politicians and manages to prevail, winning the presidential nomination of a major party. He then runs what an army of experts and analysts consider to be a train wreck of a general-election campaign and nonetheless manages to prevail to become the president-elect of the most powerful nation on Earth. It's an astonishing accomplishment.

This doesn't mean that Trump had it all planned out ahead of time, like some Machiavelli from Manhattan. On the contrary, I suspect he's as surprised as anyone that the quixotic campaign he launched in June of 2015 has delivered him to the front door of the White House. As I said, he's an intuitive genius. Radicalizing certain recent tendencies of the Republican Party and diverging from it in others, Trump tried something new and it worked. The most discontented voters in the party listened to his message and responded to it, probably without realizing that this is what they wanted until they heard it. ....

Trump's unorthodox actions, regularly ridiculed by pundits, revealed just how institutionally conservative the gatekeepers are. They strive to uphold norms, propriety, habits — and Trump shredded them over and over again. By shredding them, he amplified his message, showing voters what he repeatedly told them: that he wouldn't abide by the ordinary rules of the political game or accept the constraints that they impose on other politicians. And in an act of supreme recklessness, just enough voters in just the right number of states decided to make the leap into an experiment in radicalism with Trump as their demagogic leader.

To see the populist dynamic in action — and catch a glimpse of how its logic is likely to shape our political future — you need look no further than this past weekend's conflagration surrounding Mike Pence's visit to the hit Broadway musical Hamilton. As everyone knows, Pence was booed by members of the audience at the start of the play, and at the conclusion one of the lead actors directed a critical statement to the vice president-elect.

Pence's response was exactly what one would expect from a public figure operating at the national level. He rose above passion to speak high-mindedly, graciously, magnanimously: "I wasn't offended…. That's what freedom sounds like." That's standard politics enacted with competence....

But Trump? As always, he did the "wrong" thing — the thing that everyone from George Washington on down to a present-day political consultant would advise against: For two days in a row, he took to a public forum (Twitter, of course) to lambast the cast of the play, take umbrage on behalf of his running mate, and petulantly demand an apology.

Once again, I don't want to presume strategic intent. Whether Trump's reaction was the product of a conscious decision or an impulsive response to a provocation, it's uncanny how Trump's unorthodox, demagogic behavior just so happens to advance his political fortunes.

Consider:

• Trump's Twitter outburst distracted media attention from two potentially radioactive stories — his far-right Cabinet nominees and his $25 million settlement in the Trump University lawsuit.
• It ensured maximal, extended coverage of Pence's treatment at Hamilton — an event that instantly became the latest example of liberal elite condescension toward the political views of "ordinary Americans."
• It guaranteed that the faction of the GOP base that responds most passionately to Trump would remain angry and politically engaged. That will be extremely important in ensuring that Trump gets what he wants from the Republican Congress — including a pass on behavior that might otherwise prompt investigations into corruption.
• It provoked an equal and opposite freak-out among liberals, who will now be more inclined than ever to engage in actions that inspire the next round of indignant Trump tweets — which will of course lead the demagogic dynamic that benefits Trump to repeat itself yet again.

According to the normal rules of politics, Trump is a mess who gets nothing right. And yet he keeps succeeding, which just might mean that the normal rules of politics no longer apply — or at least that they apply differently than they used to.

two million fewer people voted for him, nutter.

 

[Correll]

Well, I've been saying this for some time, though I dont consider Trump to be a demagogue.

But the article is interesting food for thought.

The demagogic genius of Donald J. Trump

Yet it's also the case that our appreciation for the distinct character of the threat Trump poses to the country's political order would be enhanced if we devoted a little more time to acknowledging that the risks are at least as much a product of Trump's talents as they are of his many faults.

The ominous fact is that Trump is undeniably one of the greatest intuitive political geniuses in history. Think about it: A wealthy businessman with no political experience at all takes on more than a dozen experienced politicians and manages to prevail, winning the presidential nomination of a major party. He then runs what an army of experts and analysts consider to be a train wreck of a general-election campaign and nonetheless manages to prevail to become the president-elect of the most powerful nation on Earth. It's an astonishing accomplishment.

This doesn't mean that Trump had it all planned out ahead of time, like some Machiavelli from Manhattan. On the contrary, I suspect he's as surprised as anyone that the quixotic campaign he launched in June of 2015 has delivered him to the front door of the White House. As I said, he's an intuitive genius. Radicalizing certain recent tendencies of the Republican Party and diverging from it in others, Trump tried something new and it worked. The most discontented voters in the party listened to his message and responded to it, probably without realizing that this is what they wanted until they heard it. ....

Trump's unorthodox actions, regularly ridiculed by pundits, revealed just how institutionally conservative the gatekeepers are. They strive to uphold norms, propriety, habits — and Trump shredded them over and over again. By shredding them, he amplified his message, showing voters what he repeatedly told them: that he wouldn't abide by the ordinary rules of the political game or accept the constraints that they impose on other politicians. And in an act of supreme recklessness, just enough voters in just the right number of states decided to make the leap into an experiment in radicalism with Trump as their demagogic leader.

To see the populist dynamic in action — and catch a glimpse of how its logic is likely to shape our political future — you need look no further than this past weekend's conflagration surrounding Mike Pence's visit to the hit Broadway musical Hamilton. As everyone knows, Pence was booed by members of the audience at the start of the play, and at the conclusion one of the lead actors directed a critical statement to the vice president-elect.

Pence's response was exactly what one would expect from a public figure operating at the national level. He rose above passion to speak high-mindedly, graciously, magnanimously: "I wasn't offended…. That's what freedom sounds like." That's standard politics enacted with competence....

But Trump? As always, he did the "wrong" thing — the thing that everyone from George Washington on down to a present-day political consultant would advise against: For two days in a row, he took to a public forum (Twitter, of course) to lambast the cast of the play, take umbrage on behalf of his running mate, and petulantly demand an apology.

Once again, I don't want to presume strategic intent. Whether Trump's reaction was the product of a conscious decision or an impulsive response to a provocation, it's uncanny how Trump's unorthodox, demagogic behavior just so happens to advance his political fortunes.

Consider:

• Trump's Twitter outburst distracted media attention from two potentially radioactive stories — his far-right Cabinet nominees and his $25 million settlement in the Trump University lawsuit.
• It ensured maximal, extended coverage of Pence's treatment at Hamilton — an event that instantly became the latest example of liberal elite condescension toward the political views of "ordinary Americans."
• It guaranteed that the faction of the GOP base that responds most passionately to Trump would remain angry and politically engaged. That will be extremely important in ensuring that Trump gets what he wants from the Republican Congress — including a pass on behavior that might otherwise prompt investigations into corruption.
• It provoked an equal and opposite freak-out among liberals, who will now be more inclined than ever to engage in actions that inspire the next round of indignant Trump tweets — which will of course lead the demagogic dynamic that benefits Trump to repeat itself yet again.

According to the normal rules of politics, Trump is a mess who gets nothing right. And yet he keeps succeeding, which just might mean that the normal rules of politics no longer apply — or at least that they apply differently than they used to.

two million fewer people voted for him, nutter.

Trump was smart enough to remember that we are not a direct democracy and craft his campaign strategy accordingly.


Sorry, GENIUS, enough.

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

Just a smidge over Half of the people who actually voted said "No", but again, using hits to decide a baseball game....

This isn't a baseball game, it's an election.

One person. One vote.

Hillary got 1.7 million more of them.

The people Said, "NO"

So Hillary only won by 1.7 million out of 10 million illegal immigrant votes?
Something seems askew.

What 10 million illegal immigrant votes?

 

[JoeB131]

Trump was smart enough to remember that we are not a direct democracy and craft his campaign strategy accordingly.


Sorry, GENIUS, enough.

Trump trolled the system, he probably never expected to win.

That's clear by the fact that he didn't already have a real transition ready to go and he's starting from scratch.

Again, when you Dumb-ass Rednecks figure out all your hate hasn't brought any jobs back, you are going to be really upset.

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

The details of the popular vote seem to upset the “winners” of the election.

Actually, it's the losers who seem upset