Redz
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i would like powell but i don't expect to see him running for prez, i think he got a little burnt by politics and i don't expect him to have a role in the reshuffled administration, so i don't expect to see him at all.
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Redz said:i would like powell but i don't expect to see him running for prez, i think he got a little burnt by politics and i don't expect him to have a role in the reshuffled administration, so i don't expect to see him at all.
yeah, but both are high profile enough to run for prez and both stand decent chance of winning,but can't see either wanting to be vice.no1tovote4 said:I was thinking a McCain/Giuliani ticket in '08 would be the one to go with.
no1tovote4 said:Frist has some serious issues with ethics to deal with, there is no way that he will run.
Redz said:yeah, but both are high profile enough to run for prez and both stand decent chance of winning,but can't see either wanting to be vice.
McCain will be sec defence in reshuffled administration and Rudys gonig to takeover over homeland security.....I'd bet my reputation(-6) on it.
no1tovote4 said:Both Edwards and Kerry ran for President in the Primaries only one won. I could see Giuliani accepting Vice but not McCain. This would be the last year that McCain could do it, he is getting up there in age.
Redz said:true, but Rudy strikes me as a bit of a control freak, dunno how that would sit with being vice.
dunno how McCain would sit with the party as well, the party overall has moved more right, so has the nation, but McCain's closer to the centre, likewise Powell
with you there, the fact that both flirted with the democrats shows how close to the centre they are. I think Powells sidelining in the last bush administration shows how far right bush can be sometimes.no1tovote4 said:That's why I prefer them. I would love Powell to run, too bad we can't convince him.
Redz said:with you there, the fact that both flirted with the democrats shows how close to the centre they are. I think Powells sidelining in the last bush administration shows how far right bush can be sometimes.
btw as a more centre republician how do you feel about the Neo conservative influence on your party?
Redz said:with you there, the fact that both flirted with the democrats shows how close to the centre they are. I think Powells sidelining in the last bush administration shows how far right bush can be sometimes.
btw as a more centre republician how do you feel about the Neo conservative influence on your party?
social agenda is heavily influenced by christian right, the price for their crucial support.no1tovote4 said:I do not prefer the social agenda of the Republican Party. I am far more Libertarian than the "neo-cons" (incorrect usage of the word btw a neo-con is one who left the Dem Party to become Republican). I did not want to vote for Bush but thought Kerry was even worse. It was a "lesser of two evils" vote.
good point and i withdraw the term flirting.before Powell sided with the republicans, he was also courted by the democrats.His political views were moderate enough to make him a realistic candidate for the democrats, same with McCain.freeandfun1 said:how do you consider Kerry asking (begging) McCain to run as Veep, McCain flirting with the Democratic party? And when did Powell ever flirt with the democratic party?
Redz said:good point and i withdraw the term flirting.before Powell sided with the republicans, he was also courted by the democrats.His political views were moderate enough to make him a realistic candidate for the democrats, same with McCain.
fair point and i agree best people for the job alwaysfreeandfun1 said:Just because a segment of the GOP consists of the religious right, that does not make the GOP right-wing religious fanatics. Just as the communists that belong to the Democratic Party do not make the Democratic Party a communist party. Perhaps we should get off labels and just pick people that will do a good job - period
Redz said:social agenda is heavily influenced by christian right, the price for their crucial support.
i am also very libertarian and i thought Bush's first term would be that way. But their response to 9/11 has been very big government, egatriot act.
when i say Neo Con i mean those influenced by the theorys of Leo Strauss, you are right about the definition, but Cheney and Rumsfeld are self professed followers of his theorys and i bet they were never democrat's
keep fighting its a good fightno1tovote4 said:I will just keep fighting for somebody to vote for rather than against. :bangheads
Redz said:keep fighting its a good fight
i worry because it seems that not enough republicans know about the Straussian agenda thats hijacked their party
PJ o Rourke for Attorney General!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
rtwngAvngr said:Redz, where did you get this obsession with Strauss? Are a university student? Did some professor fill your head with this delusion?
What is the myth? The threat from fundamentalist islam is real.
Redz said:just from reading about his theorys, i was a student and in many ways i wish i still was. strauss was a professor and he filled his students(pearle,wolfowitz etc..) heads with this stuff.
you know the score, they do advocate using propaganda to get the results they want. and propagandas is all about fear, at least thats what the Nazis said and they were masters at propaganda.
sure the threat to you is real, but its not inconcievable that some might overstate the threat to serve their own agendas.
i really wish you could see that programme "the power of nightmares", then you might understand where my obsession comes from.
all the best myths have an element of reality, they just overstate and distort reality.rtwngAvngr said:Well it can't be a myth if it's real, can it?
The left in our country uses fear more that the "neocons".