Poor oppressed minorities who cannot afford ID's to vote- flock to see The Butler

[Asclepias]

Just some of the various things people always or may need a Photo ID for:

1. Purchasing a ticket and boarding an airplane
2. Writing a check
3. Cashing a check
4. Using a credit card
5. Driving a motor vehicle
6. Applying for a business license
7. Applying for permission to hold a protest or rally
8. Applying for some kinds of employment
9. Purchasing a house or real estate
10. Renting a domicile
11. Renting a motor vehicle
12. Purchasing a firearm (Includes BB guns)
13. Applying for a hunting or fishing license
14. Enrolling in college
15. Purchasing alcoholic beverages
16. Purchasing tobacco or products that contain nicotine
17. Purchasing a motor vehicle
18. Initial registration of a motor vehicle
19. Applying for a building permit
20. Receiving prescription medicine
21. Purchasing OTC medicine that contains pseudoephedrine
22. Serving on jury duty
23. Opening a bank account
24. Closing a bank account with a cash balance.
24. Cash transactions of $5000.00 or greater (lesser amt in some states)
25. Sales tax exemption for people aged 80 and above
26. Getting admitted to a hospital or utilizing certain other medical services.
27. Gaining admission to an adult's only venue
28. Applying for public assistance
29. Cashing in a winning lottery ticket or collecting a substantial win at the casino
30. Securing a marriage license

Now given the obvious difficulty of functioning in much of society when one has no photo ID, and given the government's concern for how much we smoke or drink or the size of the soft drinks we can buy or what goes into our kid's sack lunch. . . .

Doesn't it seem completely sensible that the important photo ID should be mandatory and the responsibility of the state to provide if the person doesn't have one?

And once accomplished, then how could it possibly disenfranchise anybody to ask them to provide that photo ID when they vote?

None of those things are a Constitutional right.

Neither is voting. Ouch..

Sorry its just as much of a right as the right to free speech. Those specific words "the right to vote" are mentioned a couple of times in the Constitution. If you notice the Constitution does not define our rights it only protects them. For instance it doesn't say you "have a right to free speech" it just protects it.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

None of those things are a Constitutional right.

Neither is voting. Ouch..

Sorry its just as much of a right as the right to free speech. Those specific words "the right to vote" are mentioned a couple of times in the Constitution. If you notice the Constitution does not define our rights it only protects them. For instance it doesn't say you "have a right to free speech" it just protects it.

Correct.

And the Constitution’s case law determines what is or is not a reasonable restriction on our rights.

With regard to a fundamental right, such as voting, in order for the state to place restrictions on a right, the restriction must be rationally based and supported by objective, documented evidence.

The photo ID restriction fails on both counts.

There is no evidence that voter ‘fraud’ by identity has changed the outcome of any election. Consequently the requirement is not rationally based, it’s motivated solely by a subjective, partisan perception that ‘fraud’ is ‘rampant,’ when in fact it is not.

 

[Care4all]

Just some of the various things people always or may need a Photo ID for:

1. Purchasing a ticket and boarding an airplane
2. Writing a check
3. Cashing a check
4. Using a credit card
5. Driving a motor vehicle
6. Applying for a business license
7. Applying for permission to hold a protest or rally
8. Applying for some kinds of employment
9. Purchasing a house or real estate
10. Renting a domicile
11. Renting a motor vehicle
12. Purchasing a firearm (Includes BB guns)
13. Applying for a hunting or fishing license
14. Enrolling in college
15. Purchasing alcoholic beverages
16. Purchasing tobacco or products that contain nicotine
17. Purchasing a motor vehicle
18. Initial registration of a motor vehicle
19. Applying for a building permit
20. Receiving prescription medicine
21. Purchasing OTC medicine that contains pseudoephedrine
22. Serving on jury duty
23. Opening a bank account
24. Closing a bank account with a cash balance.
24. Cash transactions of $5000.00 or greater (lesser amt in some states)
25. Sales tax exemption for people aged 80 and above
26. Getting admitted to a hospital or utilizing certain other medical services.
27. Gaining admission to an adult's only venue
28. Applying for public assistance
29. Cashing in a winning lottery ticket or collecting a substantial win at the casino
30. Securing a marriage license

Now given the obvious difficulty of functioning in much of society when one has no photo ID, and given the government's concern for how much we smoke or drink or the size of the soft drinks we can buy or what goes into our kid's sack lunch. . . .

Doesn't it seem completely sensible that the important photo ID should be mandatory and the responsibility of the state to provide if the person doesn't have one?

And once accomplished, then how could it possibly disenfranchise anybody to ask them to provide that photo ID when they vote?

Yet 21,000,000 million American citizens of legal age, born and living here all of their lives, do not have a GOVERNMENT ISSUED photo idea..... you don't need gestapo ''papers'' to live here....

though people are trying very hard to make this country that way.....wonder why?

Who that is impoverished gets on an airplane? Cashes a $5000 check? etc etc etc etc etc from your list?

I got my banking account with a paystub as my identification with my social security number, my driver's license for the first 15 years that I had it, was without a photo on it, and until 9/11 my Airline ticket was in any name I chose....my legal married name or my maiden name, which I continued to use in my job...airlines didn't care or ask for proof...they asked if you left your luggage anywhere, unattended....that's about it.

My elderly mother in law voted her entire life and never had a GOVERNMENT ISSUED photo id cuz she didn't drive...yet she owned a home with mortgage that she paid off, had a checking and savings account, wrote checks left and right at the grocers and other stores and to pay her bills....received her Social Security Check etc etc and there are millions of people JUST LIKE HER......foxfyre!

If you don't live in and don't want to live in this "credentialed" world of flying on planes and big lotto winnings etc that you mention in your lengthy list above, our government should not FORCE them to....what ever happened to our "land of the free"?

 

[thereisnospoon]

Just some of the various things people always or may need a Photo ID for:

1. Purchasing a ticket and boarding an airplane
2. Writing a check
3. Cashing a check
4. Using a credit card
5. Driving a motor vehicle
6. Applying for a business license
7. Applying for permission to hold a protest or rally
8. Applying for some kinds of employment
9. Purchasing a house or real estate
10. Renting a domicile
11. Renting a motor vehicle
12. Purchasing a firearm (Includes BB guns)
13. Applying for a hunting or fishing license
14. Enrolling in college
15. Purchasing alcoholic beverages
16. Purchasing tobacco or products that contain nicotine
17. Purchasing a motor vehicle
18. Initial registration of a motor vehicle
19. Applying for a building permit
20. Receiving prescription medicine
21. Purchasing OTC medicine that contains pseudoephedrine
22. Serving on jury duty
23. Opening a bank account
24. Closing a bank account with a cash balance.
24. Cash transactions of $5000.00 or greater (lesser amt in some states)
25. Sales tax exemption for people aged 80 and above
26. Getting admitted to a hospital or utilizing certain other medical services.
27. Gaining admission to an adult's only venue
28. Applying for public assistance
29. Cashing in a winning lottery ticket or collecting a substantial win at the casino
30. Securing a marriage license

Now given the obvious difficulty of functioning in much of society when one has no photo ID, and given the government's concern for how much we smoke or drink or the size of the soft drinks we can buy or what goes into our kid's sack lunch. . . .

Doesn't it seem completely sensible that the important photo ID should be mandatory and the responsibility of the state to provide if the person doesn't have one?

And once accomplished, then how could it possibly disenfranchise anybody to ask them to provide that photo ID when they vote?

None of those things are a Constitutional right.

Rights under the US Constitutions are not absolute.
There are thousands of laws which restrict rights.
For example. Freedom of religion extends only to an individual and ay not be sanctioned by any government.
Convicted felons are no longer afforded the protections under the Second Amendment.
Additionally, in some states felons lose the right to vote.
The 21st Amendment once again returned the right of Americans to take alcoholic beverages. However that right extended only to those 18 and over. Later, the states one by one took the right to drink away from adults between the ages of 18 and 21.
What bothers you so much about having one identify themselves before voting so as to protect the integrity of an election?
Now you will reply with your lib narrative talking point about suppression of the minority vote. We're past that now because it just ain't true. So try something else.

 

[thereisnospoon]

None of those things are a Constitutional right.

Neither is voting. Ouch..

Sorry its just as much of a right as the right to free speech. Those specific words "the right to vote" are mentioned a couple of times in the Constitution. If you notice the Constitution does not define our rights it only protects them. For instance it doesn't say you "have a right to free speech" it just protects it.

The only reference to 'voting' in the US Constitution is in the 19th Amendment.
And that deals only with gender. Otherwise the laws dealing with voting or elections originate with Congress and/or the states.

 

[thereisnospoon]

Neither is voting. Ouch..

Sorry its just as much of a right as the right to free speech. Those specific words "the right to vote" are mentioned a couple of times in the Constitution. If you notice the Constitution does not define our rights it only protects them. For instance it doesn't say you "have a right to free speech" it just protects it.

Correct.

And the Constitution’s case law determines what is or is not a reasonable restriction on our rights.

With regard to a fundamental right, such as voting, in order for the state to place restrictions on a right, the restriction must be rationally based and supported by objective, documented evidence.

The photo ID restriction fails on both counts.

There is no evidence that voter ‘fraud’ by identity has changed the outcome of any election. Consequently the requirement is not rationally based, it’s motivated solely by a subjective, partisan perception that ‘fraud’ is ‘rampant,’ when in fact it is not.

That's a nice theory but it does not pass muster with the 14th Amendment's 'Equal Protection" clause. Simply put, as long as the Voter ID law applies to everyone, it passes constitutional muster.
Your premise implies that we must allow the horse to run away before closing the barn door.
, it’s motivated solely by a subjective, partisan perception that ‘fraud’ is ‘rampant,’ when in fact it is not."
That's your opinion. And a talking point.
That is your side's can of worms. If those in objection wish to pursue that theory they will only extend the amount of money spent on attorneys and paralegals researching case law, they are welcome to it.
There is no way to prove a legal theory based on what people 'feel'.
And you people feel voter ID is based on some sort of bias.
Actually Voter ID laws are written so as to prevent so much as one fraudulent vote.
Why that is so difficult for some to grasp is a mystery.

 

[thereisnospoon]

Just some of the various things people always or may need a Photo ID for:

1. Purchasing a ticket and boarding an airplane
2. Writing a check
3. Cashing a check
4. Using a credit card
5. Driving a motor vehicle
6. Applying for a business license
7. Applying for permission to hold a protest or rally
8. Applying for some kinds of employment
9. Purchasing a house or real estate
10. Renting a domicile
11. Renting a motor vehicle
12. Purchasing a firearm (Includes BB guns)
13. Applying for a hunting or fishing license
14. Enrolling in college
15. Purchasing alcoholic beverages
16. Purchasing tobacco or products that contain nicotine
17. Purchasing a motor vehicle
18. Initial registration of a motor vehicle
19. Applying for a building permit
20. Receiving prescription medicine
21. Purchasing OTC medicine that contains pseudoephedrine
22. Serving on jury duty
23. Opening a bank account
24. Closing a bank account with a cash balance.
24. Cash transactions of $5000.00 or greater (lesser amt in some states)
25. Sales tax exemption for people aged 80 and above
26. Getting admitted to a hospital or utilizing certain other medical services.
27. Gaining admission to an adult's only venue
28. Applying for public assistance
29. Cashing in a winning lottery ticket or collecting a substantial win at the casino
30. Securing a marriage license

Now given the obvious difficulty of functioning in much of society when one has no photo ID, and given the government's concern for how much we smoke or drink or the size of the soft drinks we can buy or what goes into our kid's sack lunch. . . .

Doesn't it seem completely sensible that the important photo ID should be mandatory and the responsibility of the state to provide if the person doesn't have one?

And once accomplished, then how could it possibly disenfranchise anybody to ask them to provide that photo ID when they vote?

Yet 21,000,000 million American citizens of legal age, born and living here all of their lives, do not have a GOVERNMENT ISSUED photo idea..... you don't need gestapo ''papers'' to live here....

though people are trying very hard to make this country that way.....wonder why?

Who that is impoverished gets on an airplane? Cashes a $5000 check? etc etc etc etc etc from your list?

I got my banking account with a paystub as my identification with my social security number, my driver's license for the first 15 years that I had it, was without a photo on it, and until 9/11 my Airline ticket was in any name I chose....my legal married name or my maiden name, which I continued to use in my job...airlines didn't care or ask for proof...they asked if you left your luggage anywhere, unattended....that's about it.

My elderly mother in law voted her entire life and never had a GOVERNMENT ISSUED photo id cuz she didn't drive...yet she owned a home with mortgage that she paid off, had a checking and savings account, wrote checks left and right at the grocers and other stores and to pay her bills....received her Social Security Check etc etc and there are millions of people JUST LIKE HER......foxfyre!

If you don't live in and don't want to live in this "credentialed" world of flying on planes and big lotto winnings etc that you mention in your lengthy list above, our government should not FORCE them to....what ever happened to our "land of the free"?

Stop it. Just stop.
You are not getting any mileage with your anecdotes.
The fact is this, we now need to identify ourselves for purposes of security and integrity of systems and practices.
Oh, please provide the link for the 21 million idiots who refuse to get some kind of ID..
BTW, if you looked under 30 and tried to get a drink at the bar where I worked and could not produce two forms of ID, you were shown the door.
You should change your username to "I care only about my agenda"..

 

[LadyGunSlinger]

None of those things are a Constitutional right.

Neither is voting. Ouch..

Sorry its just as much of a right as the right to free speech. Those specific words "the right to vote" are mentioned a couple of times in the Constitution. If you notice the Constitution does not define our rights it only protects them. For instance it doesn't say you "have a right to free speech" it just protects it.

No it's not.. My gosh , the intelligence of liberal posters is frightening regarding the Constitution. SHOW US IN THE CONSTITUTION WHERE IT'S A GUARANTEED RIGHT.. I'll wait.

 

[Lovebears65]

cant spell liberals without making the world lie .

 

[thereisnospoon]

Neither is voting. Ouch..

Sorry its just as much of a right as the right to free speech. Those specific words "the right to vote" are mentioned a couple of times in the Constitution. If you notice the Constitution does not define our rights it only protects them. For instance it doesn't say you "have a right to free speech" it just protects it.

No it's not.. My gosh , the intelligence of liberal posters is frightening regarding the Constitution. SHOW US IN THE CONSTITUTION WHERE IT'S A GUARANTEED RIGHT.. I'll wait.

"Care" is just another liberal drive by poster that makes up things as he/she goes.
Care's posts are based on hysteria and bereft of any intelligence.

 

[mamooth]

Ethical people would decide that if they can't win elections, they should change their party's positions to something that most humans don't find so vile. But these are modern Republicans, hence they've decided not to change a thing, and instead to cheat harder. That would be why you see them all declaring how awful it is that those dirty Democrats won't allow themselves to be banned from voting. It's the usual bully-whining from the right, crying about how unfair it is that their targets dared hit back.

Sucks to be you, Republicans. You can't win without cheating, and you're not being allowed to cheat.

 

[thereisnospoon]

Ethical people would decide that if they can't win elections, they should change their party's positions to something that most humans don't find so vile. But these are modern Republicans, hence they've decided not to change a thing, and instead to cheat harder. That would be why you see them all declaring how awful it is that those dirty Democrats won't allow themselves to be banned from voting. It's the usual bully-whining from the right, crying about how unfair it is that their targets dared hit back.

Sucks to be you, Republicans. You can't win without cheating, and you're not being allowed to cheat.

An all too common retort from liberals this is.
Your arrogance is apparent in that you view political power as a birthright.
When one of your candidates loses an election, instead of a handshake and a congratulatory "good campaign, sir/ma'am", their response is to hire armies of attorneys to prove their sincere belief that the only way the candidate could possibly have lost is because they got cheated.
Your cries fall on deaf ears.
Voter ID laws are not cheating. Rather, the lack of those laws and fight against them indicates the belief that a lack of integrity of the vote is inconsequential.

 

[Asclepias]

Neither is voting. Ouch..

Sorry its just as much of a right as the right to free speech. Those specific words "the right to vote" are mentioned a couple of times in the Constitution. If you notice the Constitution does not define our rights it only protects them. For instance it doesn't say you "have a right to free speech" it just protects it.

The only reference to 'voting' in the US Constitution is in the 19th Amendment.
And that deals only with gender. Otherwise the laws dealing with voting or elections originate with Congress and/or the states.

You may want to try that again. 15th, 19th, 23rd, 24th, 26th Amendments all protect voting rights. So in essence the right to vote is the most protected right in the Constitution.

 

[Foxfyre]

Just some of the various things people always or may need a Photo ID for:

1. Purchasing a ticket and boarding an airplane
2. Writing a check
3. Cashing a check
4. Using a credit card
5. Driving a motor vehicle
6. Applying for a business license
7. Applying for permission to hold a protest or rally
8. Applying for some kinds of employment
9. Purchasing a house or real estate
10. Renting a domicile
11. Renting a motor vehicle
12. Purchasing a firearm (Includes BB guns)
13. Applying for a hunting or fishing license
14. Enrolling in college
15. Purchasing alcoholic beverages
16. Purchasing tobacco or products that contain nicotine
17. Purchasing a motor vehicle
18. Initial registration of a motor vehicle
19. Applying for a building permit
20. Receiving prescription medicine
21. Purchasing OTC medicine that contains pseudoephedrine
22. Serving on jury duty
23. Opening a bank account
24. Closing a bank account with a cash balance.
24. Cash transactions of $5000.00 or greater (lesser amt in some states)
25. Sales tax exemption for people aged 80 and above
26. Getting admitted to a hospital or utilizing certain other medical services.
27. Gaining admission to an adult's only venue
28. Applying for public assistance
29. Cashing in a winning lottery ticket or collecting a substantial win at the casino
30. Securing a marriage license

Now given the obvious difficulty of functioning in much of society when one has no photo ID, and given the government's concern for how much we smoke or drink or the size of the soft drinks we can buy or what goes into our kid's sack lunch. . . .

Doesn't it seem completely sensible that the important photo ID should be mandatory and the responsibility of the state to provide if the person doesn't have one?

And once accomplished, then how could it possibly disenfranchise anybody to ask them to provide that photo ID when they vote?

Yet 21,000,000 million American citizens of legal age, born and living here all of their lives, do not have a GOVERNMENT ISSUED photo idea..... you don't need gestapo ''papers'' to live here....

though people are trying very hard to make this country that way.....wonder why?

Who that is impoverished gets on an airplane? Cashes a $5000 check? etc etc etc etc etc from your list?

I got my banking account with a paystub as my identification with my social security number, my driver's license for the first 15 years that I had it, was without a photo on it, and until 9/11 my Airline ticket was in any name I chose....my legal married name or my maiden name, which I continued to use in my job...airlines didn't care or ask for proof...they asked if you left your luggage anywhere, unattended....that's about it.

My elderly mother in law voted her entire life and never had a GOVERNMENT ISSUED photo id cuz she didn't drive...yet she owned a home with mortgage that she paid off, had a checking and savings account, wrote checks left and right at the grocers and other stores and to pay her bills....received her Social Security Check etc etc and there are millions of people JUST LIKE HER......foxfyre!

If you don't live in and don't want to live in this "credentialed" world of flying on planes and big lotto winnings etc that you mention in your lengthy list above, our government should not FORCE them to....what ever happened to our "land of the free"?

They need a photo ID to apply for welfare and food stamps, Care. And they won't die if they don't vote. The bleeding hearts who are so certain these "old poor people" are denied a fundamental right should organize to see that everybody who needs or wants one has a photo ID. Just as they organize to see that everybody who isn't registered to vote is registered and those who don't have a ride to a polling place get one. And a photo ID that proves they are who they say they are so they can vote will be invaluable for them for many other things.

Yes there was a time--a much gentler time in America--where we didn't need photos on our driver's license because identify theft was not a problem back then. Nor was government a lucrative career opportunity and the means to force society into roles that were never an issue before, so widespread voter fraud at the federal level was not that much of an issue. Before 9/11, the worst thing we feared when flying was an occasional unscheduled side trip to Cuba, but nobody was ever harmed when that happened. But we did expect people to get themselves down to the clerk's office to register to vote and expected them to meet residency requirements. And if they didn't remember to pick up an absentee ballot in time or get themselves up and down to their assigned polling place to vote on election day, well, they were just plain out of luck. They didn't vote. And nobody, and I do mean nobody, saw that as a hardship.

Yes, the Constitution intends that every U.S. citizen, and ONLY U.S. citizen have the right to cast one vote. And it is only fair to those who play by the rules that there is sufficient regulation and controls in place to ensure that each citizen has ONLY one vote.

(And I can assure you that your mother and/or da-in-law had some means of identifying themselves when they took out that mortgage.)

 

[thereisnospoon]

Sorry its just as much of a right as the right to free speech. Those specific words "the right to vote" are mentioned a couple of times in the Constitution. If you notice the Constitution does not define our rights it only protects them. For instance it doesn't say you "have a right to free speech" it just protects it.

The only reference to 'voting' in the US Constitution is in the 19th Amendment.
And that deals only with gender. Otherwise the laws dealing with voting or elections originate with Congress and/or the states.

You may want to try that again. 15th, 19th, 23rd, 24th, 26th Amendments all protect voting rights. So in essence the right to vote is the most protected right in the Constitution.

Case law from the 15th...
Congress passed the Enforcement Act of 1870,28 which had started out as a bill to prohibit state officers from restricting suffrage on racial grounds and providing criminal penalties and ended up as a comprehensive measure aimed as well at private action designed to interfere with the rights guaranteed under the Fourteenth and Fifteenth Amend[p.1944]ments. Insofar as this legislation reached private action, it was largely nullified by the Supreme Court and the provisions aimed at official action proved ineffectual and much of it was later repealed.29 More recent legislation has been much more far–reaching in this respect and has been sustained.
This indicates suffrage may not be hindered on the basis or race.
In fact the last sentence affirms my previous post regarding legislation through the Congress.
The 23rd Amendment is specific to the repeal of the Temperance amendment which banned the sale manufacture and consumption of alcoholic beverages.
I checked annotations where case law is found. There is no mention of Suffrage in the 23rd.
From the 24th....Ratification of the Twenty–fourth Amendment marked the culmination of an endeavor begun in Congress in 1939 to effect elimination of the poll tax as a qualification for voting in federal elections."
The 27th prohibits a state from passing legislation which made the minimum age to vote at 18.
In summary, while several Amendments to the Constitution prohibited restrictions of Suffrage by the States, the right to vote is again not absolute.
Legislation passed into law by the Congress or by individual States has modified or added provisions to federal and Constitutional Law.
Because of this and other legal precedents, the Constitution and SCOTUS view these legislative acts to be Constitutional.
Your premise that because voting rights are mentioned in the Constitution, that makes the right to vote absolute, is false.