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And you only patrol OUR shores for OUR defense, right?
It's been a while since I've been on patrol. But I think I heard tell that there is a sub off the coast of Lybia now.
I patroled in classified waters, spying on our enemies, ensureing the countries safety, incase the shit did hit the fan.
but I get what you are trying to say.
You don't know jack or squat about tactics, so hows about we leave that to our military leaders?
Be careful when talking out of your ass. We can debate tactics anytime you are ready, submariner. Let's start with how espionage in foreign waters is defending our country?
It's been a while since I've been on patrol. But I think I heard tell that there is a sub off the coast of Lybia now.
I patroled in classified waters, spying on our enemies, ensureing the countries safety, incase the shit did hit the fan.
but I get what you are trying to say.
You don't know jack or squat about tactics, so hows about we leave that to our military leaders?
Be careful when talking out of your ass. We can debate tactics anytime you are ready, submariner. Let's start with how espionage in foreign waters is defending our country?
We found an underwater communications cable on the coast of Russia. We found a small sign that was oddly placed, turned that info over, the spooks wanted it checked out so a sub searched the bottom and found a large cable, went back, picked up a SEAL team, attached a recorder to the cable and for 15-20 years we knew the comings and goings of the entire soviet fleet.
how that for defense
There is no doubt that we have the most powerful Navy in the history of mankind. The question is....do we need it?
Do we need 11 Carrier task forces?, do we need all the SSBNs that have never fired a shot? Do we need the cruisers?
It has been 65 years since our last serious Naval engagement, is the threat there to justify maintaining such a massive Navy?
If we didn't have a Navy then the Chinese, North Koreans, and Russians will always be just a few miles off our coast.
Although I am sure the prospect of your fellow Marxists being so close doesn't give you pause, the rest of us feel differently.
Where did I state we should cut the whole Navy?
Do you want to list all the ships from China, N Korea and Russia that are compatible with ours? That is the threat
Then we could determine the size of a Navy we need
Probably not.
Sub and anti-sub tech of foreign countries has lagged behind greatly. And with the fall of Russia, few have the training and resources to keep up.
however
Subs are put through some heavy duty work loads, and have fairly short life spans compared to surface ships. [you get a hole in the hull of a skimmer, it's nothing to panic over, get one in a sub...] So they need to be replaced. So we can either re-do the interior or do a full upgrade.
I'm a Sub Sailor. Feel free to ask anything you want about subs and our affect on the world.
There is no doubt that we have the most powerful Navy in the history of mankind. The question is....do we need it?
Do we need 11 Carrier task forces?, do we need all the SSBNs that have never fired a shot? Do we need the cruisers?
It has been 65 years since our last serious Naval engagement, is the threat there to justify maintaining such a massive Navy?
Great points.
I would say yes, keep a large and very frightening Navy.
Why?
People are awed by large warships. Remember Lybia and "The line of Death"? We moved ships in, the line moved back, we crossed it again and it was over.
We freed those hostages from the pirates.
In the 80's all deployed Fast Attacks, went active on the Russian subs they were following.They shit themselves.
Also by keeping it and ridding other countries of our bases, we can have mobile base of operations.
The budget for the Department of Housing and Urban Development includes $4.5 billion for the Community Development Block Grant program, meant to promote investments to expand economic opportunities for low-income families.
I found $4.5 Billion.
Also, in the Defense budget:
Modernizes Weapon Systems. A major goal of the Administration is to provide servicemembers
with the most effective and modern equipment
possible in a cost-efficient manner. To accomplish this, the Budget requests $113 billion to continue to procure advanced weapons systems and other equipment to support both todays wars and future conflicts. These include: upgraded armored
vehicles to better protect the troops ($593 million), the Virginia class submarine to improve the Navys ability to operate in coastal waters and support special operations forces ($4.7 billion),
the Advanced Extremely High Frequency satellite to provide secure communications to all branches of the Armed Forces ($975 million), and the stealthy F-35 Joint Strike Fighter ($9.7 billion).The Budget also bolsters the capabilities of the key components in the ongoing effort to rebalance
the military to focus on current and emerging
threats, namely, cyber and electronic warfare, Unmanned Aerial Vehicles, and helicopters.
Since we are all now about following the Constitution, and the Constitution calls for "DEFENSE", why do we need a STEALTH STRIKE FIGHTER? For defense?
Hell, that's another $9.7 BILLION, right there.
It always cracks me up how you libs scream like banshees when it comes to defense spending. You support all these other programs like welfare or government mandated "economic recovery plans" that will "create jobs" with so-called shovel ready projects, even though in reality it doesn't employ anyone for any decent amount of time except some immigrants(legal or illegal) willing to pour cement for a few months. But defense spending is a cardinal sin for you libs. Has it ever occurred to you that defense spending actually does create jobs?
Why is it you libs want to give tax money to people who can't find a job, but you don't want to pay people actually producing things for the good of the US military?
If we didn't have a Navy then the Chinese, North Koreans, and Russians will always be just a few miles off our coast.
Although I am sure the prospect of your fellow Marxists being so close doesn't give you pause, the rest of us feel differently.
Where did I state we should cut the whole Navy?
Do you want to list all the ships from China, N Korea and Russia that are compatible with ours? That is the threat
Then we could determine the size of a Navy we need
We never had more than the Russians, ever.
We were better equiped and far better trained.
It's been a while since I've been on patrol. But I think I heard tell that there is a sub off the coast of Lybia now.
I patroled in classified waters, spying on our enemies, ensureing the countries safety, incase the shit did hit the fan.
but I get what you are trying to say.
You don't know jack or squat about tactics, so hows about we leave that to our military leaders?
Be careful when talking out of your ass. We can debate tactics anytime you are ready, submariner. Let's start with how espionage in foreign waters is defending our country?
We found an underwater communications cable on the coast of Russia. We found a small sign that was oddly placed, turned that info over, the spooks wanted it checked out so a sub searched the bottom and found a large cable, went back, picked up a SEAL team, attached a recorder to the cable and for 15-20 years we knew the comings and goings of the entire soviet fleet.
how that for defense
Due to your fundamental misunderstanding of what socialism is, perhaps.Also, in the Defense budget:
Since we are all now about following the Constitution, and the Constitution calls for "DEFENSE", why do we need a STEALTH STRIKE FIGHTER? For defense?
Hell, that's another $9.7 BILLION, right there.
It always cracks me up how you libs scream like banshees when it comes to defense spending. You support all these other programs like welfare or government mandated "economic recovery plans" that will "create jobs" with so-called shovel ready projects, even though in reality it doesn't employ anyone for any decent amount of time except some immigrants(legal or illegal) willing to pour cement for a few months. But defense spending is a cardinal sin for you libs. Has it ever occurred to you that defense spending actually does create jobs?
Why is it you libs want to give tax money to people who can't find a job, but you don't want to pay people actually producing things for the good of the US military?
So...you are FOR Federal government defense spending to create private sector jobs. Sure sounds like Socialism to me...
The budget for the Department of Housing and Urban Development includes $4.5 billion for the Community Development Block Grant program, meant to promote investments to expand economic opportunities for low-income families.
I found $4.5 Billion.
Also, in the Defense budget:
Modernizes Weapon Systems. A major goal of the Administration is to provide servicemembers
with the most effective and modern equipment
possible in a cost-efficient manner. To accomplish this, the Budget requests $113 billion to continue to procure advanced weapons systems and other equipment to support both todays wars and future conflicts. These include: upgraded armored
vehicles to better protect the troops ($593 million), the Virginia class submarine to improve the Navys ability to operate in coastal waters and support special operations forces ($4.7 billion),
the Advanced Extremely High Frequency satellite to provide secure communications to all branches of the Armed Forces ($975 million), and the stealthy F-35 Joint Strike Fighter ($9.7 billion).The Budget also bolsters the capabilities of the key components in the ongoing effort to rebalance
the military to focus on current and emerging
threats, namely, cyber and electronic warfare, Unmanned Aerial Vehicles, and helicopters.
Since we are all now about following the Constitution, and the Constitution calls for "DEFENSE", why do we need a STEALTH STRIKE FIGHTER? For defense?
Hell, that's another $9.7 BILLION, right there.
It always cracks me up how you libs scream like banshees when it comes to defense spending. You support all these other programs like welfare or government mandated "economic recovery plans" that will "create jobs" with so-called shovel ready projects, even though in reality it doesn't employ anyone for any decent amount of time except some immigrants(legal or illegal) willing to pour cement for a few months. But defense spending is a cardinal sin for you libs. Has it ever occurred to you that defense spending actually does create jobs?
Why is it you libs want to give tax money to people who can't find a job, but you don't want to pay people actually producing things for the good of the US military?
Va you are making me dizzy with all that spinning today
There is no doubt that we have the most powerful Navy in the history of mankind. The question is....do we need it?
Do we need 11 Carrier task forces?, do we need all the SSBNs that have never fired a shot? Do we need the cruisers?
It has been 65 years since our last serious Naval engagement, is the threat there to justify maintaining such a massive Navy?
Great points.
I would say yes, keep a large and very frightening Navy.
Why?
People are awed by large warships. Remember Lybia and "The line of Death"? We moved ships in, the line moved back, we crossed it again and it was over.
We freed those hostages from the pirates.
In the 80's all deployed Fast Attacks, went active on the Russian subs they were following.
Also by keeping it and ridding other countries of our bases, we can have mobile base of operations.
Admiral Yamamoto cured most people of this in 1941...
Also, in the Defense budget:
Since we are all now about following the Constitution, and the Constitution calls for "DEFENSE", why do we need a STEALTH STRIKE FIGHTER? For defense?
Hell, that's another $9.7 BILLION, right there.
It always cracks me up how you libs scream like banshees when it comes to defense spending. You support all these other programs like welfare or government mandated "economic recovery plans" that will "create jobs" with so-called shovel ready projects, even though in reality it doesn't employ anyone for any decent amount of time except some immigrants(legal or illegal) willing to pour cement for a few months. But defense spending is a cardinal sin for you libs. Has it ever occurred to you that defense spending actually does create jobs?
Why is it you libs want to give tax money to people who can't find a job, but you don't want to pay people actually producing things for the good of the US military?
So...you are FOR Federal government defense spending to create private sector jobs. Sure sounds like Socialism to me...
Where did I state we should cut the whole Navy?
Do you want to list all the ships from China, N Korea and Russia that are compatible with ours? That is the threat
Then we could determine the size of a Navy we need
We never had more than the Russians, ever.
We were better equiped and far better trained.
You know the difference between quality and quantity in warfare
Be careful when talking out of your ass. We can debate tactics anytime you are ready, submariner. Let's start with how espionage in foreign waters is defending our country?
We found an underwater communications cable on the coast of Russia. We found a small sign that was oddly placed, turned that info over, the spooks wanted it checked out so a sub searched the bottom and found a large cable, went back, picked up a SEAL team, attached a recorder to the cable and for 15-20 years we knew the comings and goings of the entire soviet fleet.
how that for defense
It's NOT. That is espionage. The USSR was never a threat for invasion of the CONUS.
IOW, GDP will start falling by about 1% a month. As a comparison, the economy fell by 3.1% top to bottom during this most recent recession. So forcing the government to balance its budget by not raising the debt ceiling would contract the economy in one quarter what it did during the entire recession.
Well if there ever were an argument for raising the ceiling that would be it.
I was reading an article yesterday or the day before about how the DoD budget is so insane and complex that the CBO can't even do a comprehensive audit.
Va you are making me dizzy with all that spinning today
Spinning? Please show me where espionage is spelled out in the Constitution as an official power of our military for defense.
Great points.
I would say yes, keep a large and very frightening Navy.
Why?
People are awed by large warships. Remember Lybia and "The line of Death"? We moved ships in, the line moved back, we crossed it again and it was over.
We freed those hostages from the pirates.
In the 80's all deployed Fast Attacks, went active on the Russian subs they were following.
Also by keeping it and ridding other countries of our bases, we can have mobile base of operations.
Admiral Yamamoto cured most people of this in 1941...
No he didn't.
Japan put out bigger and bigger crap.
WTH does that have to do with maintaining a Navy that can respond to anything anywhere anytime?
Be careful when talking out of your ass. We can debate tactics anytime you are ready, submariner. Let's start with how espionage in foreign waters is defending our country?
We found an underwater communications cable on the coast of Russia. We found a small sign that was oddly placed, turned that info over, the spooks wanted it checked out so a sub searched the bottom and found a large cable, went back, picked up a SEAL team, attached a recorder to the cable and for 15-20 years we knew the comings and goings of the entire soviet fleet.
how that for defense
It's NOT. That is espionage. The USSR was never a threat for invasion of the CONUS.
Va you are making me dizzy with all that spinning today
Spinning? Please show me where espionage is spelled out in the Constitution as an official power of our military for defense.
