Poll reveals what a huge blunder Iraq was

obama inherited an Iraq so successful that he and Biden intended to take credit for one of the greatest achievements of his regime.

Now that his foolishness has made Iraq a basket case he wants to go back and blame Bush.

Hahaha that Biden is just full of gaffes isn't he?

So why was it that President Bush couldn't get an agreement to leave a small contingent in Iraq. Was there a specific point that the Iraqis just wouldn't budge on?
 
Iraq

CNN/ORC Poll. Sept. 6-8, 2013. N=1,022 adults nationwide. Margin of error ± 3.

The poll found that the majority of Americans have felt Iraq was a mistake from the beginning.

"In view of the developments since we first sent our troops to Iraq, do you think the United States made a mistake in sending troops to Iraq, or not?"

And to see DICK defend such a misguided and contrived decision is just sickening. He is a rich, old, delusional old man that needs to just go away.
It is sickening to read the hindsight-generated expressions of political hatred based on what happened after an action supported by BOTH sides turns into a quagmire. Going into Iraq was a bilateral move.
 
The Boy King Obama claims that the complete removal of troops was Iraq's call.

Actually, he offered them such a meager presence that they scoffed and declined.

Generals recommended 30K...Obama cut to next to nothing.
 
The Boy King Obama claims that the complete removal of troops was Iraq's call.

Actually, he offered them such a meager presence that they scoffed and declined.

Generals recommended 30K...Obama cut to next to nothing.

Obies talks were only 6 months long while Bushs talks lasted 18 months.
Looks like Obie didn't try real hard.
 
Well lookee here......liberal creeps lying again.

Seventy-Two Percent of Americans Support War Against Iraq

It's true. They did. They were duped by the so called liberal media who was parroting the Talking Points put out by the Bush Administration. Those talking points were often misleading and some times just flat out lies. The Administration would leak a story for publication on Friday and then cite that story as a fact for one of their Talking Points on the Sunday talk shows. Simple really, the American public has ADD. But of course as the real fact came out and all of their talking point debunked in public the support for that war diminished.

Liberal media succumbed to the fear factor, threw partisanship aside, as 9-11 attack was still fresh in everyones mind.

The media was used as a tool to pull on the heartstrings to help morph the outrage we felt about that day into support for the invasion and occupation of Iraq, a country not involved in 9-11. They helped the Bush Administration convince Americans that Iraq who had just gone threw 20 years of war, devastation and crippling sanctions was somehow a threat to the worlds remaining superpower. They just don't sound very liberal to me.
 
The Boy King Obama claims that the complete removal of troops was Iraq's call.

Actually, he offered them such a meager presence that they scoffed and declined.

Generals recommended 30K...Obama cut to next to nothing.

Obies talks were only 6 months long while Bushs talks lasted 18 months.
Looks like Obie didn't try real hard.

Well, then why didn't Bush negotiate the ground rules for a future extension? Would Bush have agreed that American soldiers be subject to Iraqi/Muslim law? That was the deal breaker.
 
obama inherited an Iraq so successful that he and Biden intended to take credit for one of the greatest achievements of his regime.

Now that his foolishness has made Iraq a basket case he wants to go back and blame Bush.

Hahaha that Biden is just full of gaffes isn't he?

So why was it that President Bush couldn't get an agreement to leave a small contingent in Iraq. Was there a specific point that the Iraqis just wouldn't budge on?

There were over 100,000 troops in Iraq when Bush left office at the start of 2009.
 
It's true. They did. They were duped by the so called liberal media who was parroting the Talking Points put out by the Bush Administration. Those talking points were often misleading and some times just flat out lies. The Administration would leak a story for publication on Friday and then cite that story as a fact for one of their Talking Points on the Sunday talk shows. Simple really, the American public has ADD. But of course as the real fact came out and all of their talking point debunked in public the support for that war diminished.

Liberal media succumbed to the fear factor, threw partisanship aside, as 9-11 attack was still fresh in everyones mind.

The media was used as a tool to pull on the heartstrings to help morph the outrage we felt about that day into support for the invasion and occupation of Iraq, a country not involved in 9-11. They helped the Bush Administration convince Americans that Iraq who had just gone threw 20 years of war, devastation and crippling sanctions was somehow a threat to the worlds remaining superpower. They just don't sound very liberal to me.


In polling done by Gallup/USA Today before September 11, 2001, a majority of Americans already supported sending US troops into Iraq to remove Saddam from power

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obama inherited an Iraq so successful that he and Biden intended to take credit for one of the greatest achievements of his regime.

Now that his foolishness has made Iraq a basket case he wants to go back and blame Bush.

Hahaha that Biden is just full of gaffes isn't he?

So why was it that President Bush couldn't get an agreement to leave a small contingent in Iraq. Was there a specific point that the Iraqis just wouldn't budge on?

There were over 100,000 troops in Iraq when Bush left office at the start of 2009.

During his lame duck period he signed the SOFA with Iraq. It established that U.S. combat forces would withdraw from Iraqi cities by June 30, 2009, and all U.S. forces will be completely out of Iraq by December 31, 2011.

President Obama tried to get that changed, but the same sticking point that prevented President Bush for getting a long term commitment, that of immunity for our troops, prevented Obama from getting a long term deal as well.
 
Hahaha that Biden is just full of gaffes isn't he?

So why was it that President Bush couldn't get an agreement to leave a small contingent in Iraq. Was there a specific point that the Iraqis just wouldn't budge on?

There were over 100,000 troops in Iraq when Bush left office at the start of 2009.

During his lame duck period he signed the SOFA with Iraq. It established that U.S. combat forces would withdraw from Iraqi cities by June 30, 2009, and all U.S. forces will be completely out of Iraq by December 31, 2011.

President Obama tried to get that changed, but the same sticking point that prevented President Bush for getting a long term commitment, that of immunity for our troops, prevented Obama from getting a long term deal as well.

Looks like they both suck at playing out of a sand trap.
 
Iraq

CNN/ORC Poll. Sept. 6-8, 2013. N=1,022 adults nationwide. Margin of error ± 3.

The poll found that the majority of Americans have felt Iraq was a mistake from the beginning.

"In view of the developments since we first sent our troops to Iraq, do you think the United States made a mistake in sending troops to Iraq, or not?"

And to see DICK defend such a misguided and contrived decision is just sickening. He is a rich, old, delusional old man that needs to just go away.

Yeah that's proof right there, just ask a loaded question.
How stupid are libs, again?
 
Liberal media succumbed to the fear factor, threw partisanship aside, as 9-11 attack was still fresh in everyones mind.

The media was used as a tool to pull on the heartstrings to help morph the outrage we felt about that day into support for the invasion and occupation of Iraq, a country not involved in 9-11. They helped the Bush Administration convince Americans that Iraq who had just gone threw 20 years of war, devastation and crippling sanctions was somehow a threat to the worlds remaining superpower. They just don't sound very liberal to me.


In polling done by Gallup/USA Today before September 11, 2001, a majority of Americans already supported sending US troops into Iraq to remove Saddam from power

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Recall the pre-war (Gulf War I) propaganda and post war propaganda(Sanctions) we got about Iraq. He was a baby killing Nazi despot who for no reason at all attacked his tiny......So, yeah that poll wasn't a surprise.
 
Wait. So Saddam wasn't a murderous evil motherfucker?

He DIDN'T have rape rooms?

He didn't invade Kuwait?

He never used WMDs on the Kurds?

It was ALL just a lie?

Wow.

That's real news.

Link therefore needed.
 
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Iraq

CNN/ORC Poll. Sept. 6-8, 2013. N=1,022 adults nationwide. Margin of error ± 3.

The poll found that the majority of Americans have felt Iraq was a mistake from the beginning.

"In view of the developments since we first sent our troops to Iraq, do you think the United States made a mistake in sending troops to Iraq, or not?"

And to see DICK defend such a misguided and contrived decision is just sickening. He is a rich, old, delusional old man that needs to just go away.

What does your "pole" say about what would have happened had we not gone in?? How will "history" prove what would have happened? Take your pole and stick it.
 
You got it wrong. Anyone who would support keeping SADDAM in power is delusional. SADDAM had to go. The United States tried other means besides a ground invasion for 12 years prior to 2003 to remove him, but they all failed. This was the last option and it was important it to execute in 2003 as most countries in the region were no longer enforcing sanctions and the embargo against Baghdad do to the money to be made by becoming involved in trading and black market Iraqi oil sales that were making SADDAM BILLIONS of dollars a year. Given that situation, SADDAM needed to be removed before he could rebuild his military capabilities that would make any confrontation with him in the future far costlier than what was experienced.

Also, the most accurate polling company, GALLUP in its last poll on the Iraq war showed that over 40% of Americans DO NOT consider it a mistake to have sent US troops into Iraq.

Let me remind you also that Dick Cheney along with George Bush were re-elected President and Vice President by a popular vote of 51% in November 2004 long after everyone had made an assessment of the invasion of Iraq the missing WMD etc. etc.! That vote was far more accurate than any polls since it involved over 100 million people!
Let me remind you :::


Flashback 2004: "Former US homeland security chief Tom Ridge charges in a new book that top aides to then-president George W. Bush pressured him to raise the "terror alert" level to sway the November 2004 US election."

USA TODAY reporting:

"The Bush administration periodically put the USA on high alert for terrorist attacks even though then-Homeland Security chief Tom Ridge argued there was only flimsy evidence to justify raising the threat level, Ridge now says.

Ridge, who resigned Feb. 1, said Tuesday that he often disagreed with administration officials who wanted to elevate the threat level to orange, or "high" risk of terrorist attack, but was overruled."

It's pretty shitty to prey on people's fears to sway an election.

Or did you forget?



Lie & Milk FEAR off the populace to win an election.




Slimy bastards.

Bullshit! Bush won! Allegations like that won't change that, plus as President Bush has far more access to intelligence and how could anyone justify going light on security or dismissing threats after 9/11. To do so would be criminal!

No one said going light on security. It plainly says the terror alert was raised for political purposes before the election. Think about it like what the Republicans accuse Obama of doing in Benghazi...Get it now?

Plus all of these allegations were out there before the election.

No it wasnt, it plainly says that that info came from Ridge's book AFTER THE ELECTION

There were multiple high profile movies, including that one by Michael Moore. You had Hollywood and the music industry doing everything they could to lie and disparage Bush to get him out of office. Yet, he still won by a firm majority in the popular vote. The first majority win by any President in the popular vote since 1988! A very significant accomplishment and endorsement of Bush/Cheney and their policies in the first term!

Oh ok, but I noticed you never addressed the allegation made by Ridge accusing the Bush Admin of playing on peoples fears. Nice deflection job.
 
You can't blame Vice President Dick Cheney for being upset that President Obama threw away the U.S. victory in Iraq just because he was hell bent on getting out of a war because it "wasn't his".

Remember, Iraq was pretty secure and stable in Jan. 2009 when President Obama took over. If President Obama had agreed to leave 23,000 troops in Baghdad it almost certainly would be.

Remember also, people defending Obama said he could not agree to leave U.S. troops in Iraq because Iraq would not agree to a status of forces agreement that kept U.S. troops from being tried in Iraqi courts.

What they forget is that the U.S. military recommended keeping 23,000 U.S. troops in Iraq. Obama refused.

They then recommended 14-18,000 U.S. troops in Iraq. Obama refused.

They then took their recommendation down to 10,000 U.S. troops in Iraq. Obama refused.

Obama eventually agreed to keep only 3,000 U.S. soldiers in Iraq. Malaki was not going to go to bat politically just to keep only 3,000 U.S. troops in country so he said the hell with it.

No matter how you cut it, President Obama had plenty of opportunities to keep a decent sized U.S. force in Iraq that would have prevented all this from even being attempted.

But Obama threw it all away.
 
Wait. So Saddam wasn't a murderous evil motherfucker?

He DIDN'T have rape rooms?

He didn't invade Kuwait?

He never used WMDs on the Kurds?

It was ALL just a lie?

Wow.

That's real news.

Link therefore needed.

No that's not news, not at all. We knew he was a two-bit murderous thug when he came to power. After all, he video taped the hanging of dozens of his opponents during a meeting of the Iraqi Parliament for the world to see. President Raygun should never have taken him off the nations who support terrorist in the first place. He never should have been sold duel use Western technology that could be used to make WMD in the first place. We never should have help him secure spare parts for his Soviet built military during the Iran/Iraq war. We never should have given him 4 billion dollars in loans (which he reneged on after 1991) We never should have allow our allies to sell to him either. Germany, UK, France. They all got a piece of that action. Thanks to Ronnie for helping arm that thug so he could go on repressing the majority of Iraqis. Also thank Ronnie for turning a blind eye to the use of poison gas against Iran and the Kurds. Just continue, business as usual.

But we needed a new Hitler to justify a huge military, the USSR had fallen apart.

So we snookered him into invading Kuwait by pretending not to care.
 
There were over 300 American deaths in Iraq in 2009 with hundreds more wounded and another 100+ British soldiers killed. Iraq was not secure.

No, Obama could not have kept US forces in Iraq because Iraqis did not want them there. Bush signed the withdrawal agreement because Iraq would not extend immunity to US soldiers accused of atrocities.

The Iraq war was started by lies, the Bush administration lied, and the Iraq war was lost no matter who won the election in 2008. The Middle East was lost in 1979 when the CIA created the jihad.
 
You can't blame Vice President Dick Cheney for being upset that President Obama threw away the U.S. victory in Iraq just because he was hell bent on getting out of a war because it "wasn't his".

Remember, Iraq was pretty secure and stable in Jan. 2009 when President Obama took over. If President Obama had agreed to leave 23,000 troops in Baghdad it almost certainly would be.

Remember also, people defending Obama said he could not agree to leave U.S. troops in Iraq because Iraq would not agree to a status of forces agreement that kept U.S. troops from being tried in Iraqi courts.

What they forget is that the U.S. military recommended keeping 23,000 U.S. troops in Iraq. Obama refused.

They then recommended 14-18,000 U.S. troops in Iraq. Obama refused.

They then took their recommendation down to 10,000 U.S. troops in Iraq. Obama refused.

Obama eventually agreed to keep only 3,000 U.S. soldiers in Iraq. Malaki was not going to go to bat politically just to keep only 3,000 U.S. troops in country so he said the hell with it.

No matter how you cut it, President Obama had plenty of opportunities to keep a decent sized U.S. force in Iraq that would have prevented all this from even being attempted.

But Obama threw it all away.

Hey Dayton, Why did the Iraqis refuse to give US troops immunity when Bush signed the SOFA in 2008?

Of course it was pacified at the end of 2008. The Shias and Sunnis had segregated and we were bribing the Sunnis tribes not to attack our guys. Their civil war never stopped. People continued to get blown up by car bombs, the US press barely reported on it.
 

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