POLL: Does the left want to end capitalism?

[Confounding]

I can't partake in the poll because I only speak for myself.

So you're left wing and want to end capitalism. What does the system do we replace it with look like? Do you fully understand what it would mean to end capitalism?

I'm a left wing Marxist.

You are aware of Marxist theory, yes?

I think I have an understanding about the elimination of capitalism. It doesn't scare me. What do you think I should understand?

Why do you think it is that literally no country on Earth practices true Marxism?

Primarily because capitalists won't allow it to develop. Also, I'm not sure capitalism has fully exhausted itself.

I've heard a few different opinions of how it would work. I've honestly never read most of the stuff Marx wrote. When you end capitalism does that mean people no longer get paychecks and instead do work in exchange for resources from the government (food, housing etc)? Would they get an allowance to keep the flow of currency alive? Would they be able to choose where they work? Where they live? There seem to be some very large limitations on personal choice and growth in true communism. Perhaps I don't understand well enough. Could you explain to me in detail how you think the system would work?

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

It's my opinion that the left wing is not an opponent of capitalism. What do you think?

Loaded question fallacy.

 

[Confounding]

It's my opinion that the left wing is not an opponent of capitalism. What do you think?

Loaded question fallacy.

Apparently I might be wrong. Do you think the left is for ending capitalism? Are you? Let's have a discussion about it instead of throwing shit at each other.

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

I'm something else - The Left is totalitarianist. They want total control over all aspects of the human condition.

They're actually not too particular about which ideology might help accomplish what they seek, since it will be replaced should it ever prove successful.

 

[sartre play]

NO, more people think capitalism is spinning out of control, with fewer people controlling every thing & the middle class/ working people are being pushed out of having a voice, maybe 20 company's are holding the market together, big business big government talk in billions working people talk in thousands maybe a million. lottery tickets sold in the hundreds of millions, last chance to get rich.

 

[Confounding]

NO, more people think capitalism is spinning out of control, with fewer people controlling every thing & the middle class/ working people are being pushed out of having a voice, maybe 20 company's are holding the market together, big business big government talk in billions working people talk in thousands maybe a million. lottery tickets sold in the hundreds of millions, last chance to get rich.

Capitalism can be controlled with reasonable regulations. The Nordic countries have proven that. They have healthy economies and they're the happiest nations on Earth.

 

[Confounding]

It's my opinion that the left wing is not an opponent of capitalism. What do you think?

You'r extremely naive.

Can you elaborate? I haven't talked to a lot of leftists that want the government to completely control the economy.

 

[Confounding]

Of course they do...

Have you had conversations with many on the left that express an interest in letting the government fully control our economy?

 

[rightwinger]

It's my opinion that the left wing is not an opponent of capitalism. What do you think?

Of course not

Capitalism needs to be controlled. Otherwise it consumes itself

 

[Uncensored2008]

It's my opinion that the left wing is not an opponent of capitalism. What do you think?

The Stalinist democrats are an enemy of liberty. Capitalism is an expression of economic liberty. The democrats seek a totalitarian dictatorship under ruling oligarchs. Economic freedom is an impediment to the rule of the elite over the masses, so the Stalinist democrats fight to put an end to it, as they fight to end all liberty and civil rights.

The democrats have a plan for America, and that plan is slavery.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Another thread premise that is ignorant idiocy.

Those on ‘the left’ are practitioners, of, and advocates for, capitalism; they own businesses, invest in the stock market, and seek out profits like anyone else in a free market society.

 

[Norman]

It's my opinion that the left wing is not an opponent of capitalism. What do you think?

The regressive crazy left certainly is.

 

[Uncensored2008]

It's my opinion that the left wing is not an opponent of capitalism. What do you think?

The regressive crazy left certainly is.

The Regressive left is the heart of the Stalinist democrats.

 

[Confounding]

It's my opinion that the left wing is not an opponent of capitalism. What do you think?

The regressive crazy left certainly is.

I think some of them feel that way, and I think those ones don't really think through what it would mean to end capitalism. I think for the most part though people that populate the left wing are not in favor of that.

 

[Norman]

It's my opinion that the left wing is not an opponent of capitalism. What do you think?

The regressive crazy left certainly is.

I think some of them feel that way, and I think those ones don't really think through what it would mean to end capitalism. I think for the most part though people that populate the left wing are not in favor of that.

I don't think any of them feel anything besides how to get that next extra bit of power over people.

Which is of course completely antithetical to capitalism or any kind of civilization for that matter.

 

[sartre play]

Most of people I talk to are running around like chicken little, the sky is falling both sides of the isle. while a few stuff there pockets before the next what ever happens. we sure are not just sailing along, new drama every other day. are we back to a commie under the bed again?

 

[Uncensored2008]

It's my opinion that the left wing is not an opponent of capitalism. What do you think?

The regressive crazy left certainly is.

I think some of them feel that way, and I think those ones don't really think through what it would mean to end capitalism. I think for the most part though people that populate the left wing are not in favor of that.

The 99.99% of democrats who want to end the Constitution and enslave America give the rest of the party a bad name......

 

[rightwinger]

Capitalism unchecked becomes dog eat dog

 

[Uncensored2008]

Capitalism unchecked becomes dog eat dog

What a fucking retard.

 

[Tehon]

I can't partake in the poll because I only speak for myself.

So you're left wing and want to end capitalism. What does the system do we replace it with look like? Do you fully understand what it would mean to end capitalism?

I'm a left wing Marxist.

You are aware of Marxist theory, yes?

I think I have an understanding about the elimination of capitalism. It doesn't scare me. What do you think I should understand?

Why do you think it is that literally no country on Earth practices true Marxism?

Primarily because capitalists won't allow it to develop. Also, I'm not sure capitalism has fully exhausted itself.

I've heard a few different opinions of how it would work. I've honestly never read most of the stuff Marx wrote. When you end capitalism does that mean people no longer get paychecks and instead do work in exchange for resources from the government (food, housing etc)? Would they get an allowance to keep the flow of currency alive? Would they be able to choose where they work? Where they live? There seem to be some very large limitations on personal choice and growth in true communism.

The bulk of Marx's writing was a critique of the capitalist system of production. He didn't spend much time developing a socialist system. The development of a socialist system has to be extrapolated from his critique of capitalism.

Marx was opposed to government redistribution schemes. He didn't want the government controlling society. He understood the influence that capital had on our laws and customs and how our government institutions rose out of the way we produced commodities. The government we have now is shit because people with money made it so.

Of course you could have total freedom. What we are talking about here is eliminating private property to the means of production and competition. Those are two limiting factors in modern society.