Poll: Do You Have a Problem with NFL Players Locking Arms During National Anthem?

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Do you have a problem with NFL players locking arms during National Anthem? Why?

  1. Yes, I do not like that

    32.3%
  2. No, no problemo

    41.9%
  3. I like cheese

    25.8%
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    Wrong- AAAAgain. Straw Men Aaaagain.

    As to your completely wrong (again) assertion that I don't want to have that broader conversation, my posting history on this board will tell the truth on that. I have been very vocal in criticizing law enforcement on this issue when it seemed the facts supported it. I have posted threads on this issue, I have criticized them when it seemed pretty clear they'd way overstepped their bounds, I have done essentially every damn thing you claim I don't want to do.

    What I don't want, as I've stated repeatedly, is this nonsense, or any nonsense, getting jammed in my face every time I decide to do something else entirely.

    Now kindly either make a point that you haven't completely pulled out of your ass to the point of being so wrong time and time again that it is absurd, or we're back to simply 'fuck off'. You do not know shit about how I view this topic, you don't know shit about how to have a logical rational discussion, as all you've done, and all you continue to do is jump to one erroneous assumption/conclusion after the next to the point that I'm tired of pointing it your endless parade of strawman arugments- and I've wasted enough time on people exactly like you to know that this is not likely to change any time in the near future.....
     
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    So then why are you disagreeing with me? What is your actual problem with these protests?


    So it is about your comfort and your entitlement to not have to hear/see the problem. All you're saying is that you're aware the problem exists, you might be sympathetic to it, yet you don't want to have to be reminded of that problem before a football game?
     
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    Why? Shouldn't institutional racism be at the forefront of everything? Is it not a massive problem? Why does your comfort and entitlement entitle you to not seeing, hearing, or discussing this topic any time, any where? Black people don't have the luxury of not being black, which is the point.
     
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    Good god, enough already with your bullshit about the sense of entitlement you insist on projecting, or any of the other myriad conclusions you pull out of thin air and forward as some sort of argument, when they are no such thing.

    this is a strawman, this is a strawman, this is a strawman. again, and again and again. get it?

    do you even understand your own use of logical fallacy to the point of absurdity or do you simply not give a shit that everything that comes clattering off your keyboard is utter nonsense? It's like a one trick pony that doesn't care that he's spewing intellectually dishonest crap all over himself and everyone else, while pointing at the other guy and accusing them of not doing this or that.

    I don't even disagree with you all that much here on the broader topic, but that's not good enough, noooooo, you'll still pull the same tired shit on anyone that isn't 100% onboard with what you see as the correct view.

    I've said repeatedly that I would not want this, or ANY OTHER, cause jammed at me each and every time I tune in to watch football. it has NOTHING to do with this particular issue, which, again, I have hammered on repeatedly on this board. you're so intent on trying to prove something that is utterly fallacious to the point of absurdity (and provably so, based on my posting history) that you'd rather continue on the same path rather than taking a step back to consider whether or not what you're saying makes any sense at all.

    enough. it's utterly absurd. I knew it would be, of course. I've read your spew on this board and it's nothing but more of this type of underhanded nonsense. I am not stupid enough to get drawn into arguing your strawmen or falling for any of your other typical attempts at underhanded argument, which is all you seem to know. I wasn't last week, I'm not now and I never will be.

    My posting history conclusively proves your assertions/assumptions to be wrong, and yet you just continue on this same brainless path of trying to 'win' an argument in which it's pretty clear you're totally wrong, and provably so, based on my posting history on the broader issue. And you refuse to see it or acknowledge it, because that doesn't fit, but instead circle back around to more of the same bullshit to try to make THAT fit, even though it obviously, and provable does not. lol. it's like watching a bird fly into a window for crying out loud.

    you have no idea how to actually have a discussion. it's pathetic. you're not stupid but ignorant, intellectually dishonest to the extreme- and utterly devoid of any sort of logic, formal or otherwise, or you'd see that quite simply, the facts of my posting history here support none of what you attempt to forward, and, IMO, that sort of willful ignorance is leaps and bounds worse than just simple stupidity if for no other reason than it prevents any sort of rational discussion on the very topic you purport to be supporting.

    This makes you and those like you with your mindless lockstep nonsense and outright hostility towards anyone not in complete 100% agreement with them a huge part of the problem. You claim to want a discussion, but you want nothing of the kind. You do not wish, nor desire in any capacity to hear anything from anyone that disagrees in any way, no matter how trivial, as is the case here, and that, quite simply, is ridiculous. That approach solves nothing. It never has, it never will and it absolutely, positively, will make no headway with respect to a problem as complex as this one.

    But then I don't think that's the goal. The goal, IMO, is to shout down the other guy under the continued barrage of nonsense. Well that won't fly either. As stated early on, all I've to do is point out your endless stream of logical fallacies. You cannot 'win' anything based on these sorts of tactics when faced with someone that recognizes them for exactly what they are, so good luck....
     
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    You have maintained that seeing players kneeling isn't something you feel you should have to see. So how is that not entitlement? What have you done to earn the entitlement to not see these players kneel?

    Setting aside why they kneel for the moment, let's first figure out why you think you are entitled to not having to see them do it?
     
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    What you just said above is entitlement. You are saying you are entitled to not see anyone "jam a cause" down your throat. From where does that entitlement come? What makes you think it's a right you have earned? What have you done to earn that entitlement?
     
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    really, this is what you come back with? same shit. again and again and again.

    lol. come on already.

    I know this is driving you nuts, but it's really pretty simple. I understand what they're protesting. To a large extent I support their overall message (although at times I think both sides are really chock full of shit on this or that), but I do not want to see this every single game.

    As I've said multiple times now, I would not care what the topic is, the cause du jour is not something I want bleeding into football games from now to eternity. I do not want it turning into a 'platform'. When I tune in or head to the stadium I want to watch football and that's pretty much it.

    Have breast cancer day. Fine. Have a veteran's day event. Fine. Have a 'we kneel for Laquan Day'. Fine. Do any of the above, or anything else, before every game all year long and it's going to have me drifting off to sleep, as that's simply not what I'm tuning in for.

    I've done it with baseball, I've done it with basketball and now I'm doing it with football. All very different reasons at the surface but at the root, when it seems to me that the game stops being about the game I start to lose interest- and that's what's happening now.

    As stated in another thread, it isn't even a conscious decision. It's not like I've said 'well, screw em, I'm not watching because of this', it's more, I think, that I start to interpret this as a loss of focus on the sport, but instead on these other issues, which in turn, I think, causes me to also begin to lose that focus, which results in my not caring as much, which results in my not watching as much...although, again, it's not even a conscious thing....
     
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    I don't have to earn anything. I can decide how I do and do not want to spend my time. I'm not asking them to actually do anything. They can do whatever they please, as I've stated repeatedly...
     
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    So you do think you're entitled to it. So why were you screeching at me that you didn't have a sense of entitlement? And what gives you that entitlement? Nothing as far as I can tell. You haven't earned the entitlement to not be discomforted when watching a football game, so why do you think you're entitled to it this time? What gave you that entitlement?


    Great, so it's about you, not the players. Again, that's a sense of entitlement. One that is completely unearned. You do not have the entitlement or right to not be discomforted by expressions of free speech.

    Here's a novel idea; get over yourself.


    But you are demanding they to do something; not discomfort you and your sensitivities. That's what you said. That you don't want to be discomforted by seeing on your TV a few players kneeling in protest during the anthem. I'm saying that sense of entitlement is entirely unearned and non-existent. It's really about you not wanting to acknowledge their grievances so you make excuses that revolve around this unearned sense of entitlement you have. Completely unearned, by the way.
     
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    What your caterwauling boils down to is that you think you're entitled to not be discomforted by what you see on your television.

    I am telling you that such an entitlement doesn't exist.

    Get over yourself.
     

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