Political Beliefs 101: Who should pay for Health Care?

[emilynghiem]

Given Beliefs being argued that Health Care is a Right,
who should pay for it?

1. It is a Church Duty: The Churches/religions have a duty as part of charity they preach and teach
2. It is Govt Duty to provide: The Govt has the duty to protect public health and safety and promote general welfare
3. It is Govt Duty to remain neutral - The Govt should protect the right of people to practice this belief, but not establish it.
(ie not violate due process, equal beliefs and liberty/free choice of others who may not share this belief it is a right, or may believe in Constitutional limits on govt that would be violated by federal management of health care choices)
4. It is up to Free Choice: People have free choice to believe and pay for health care as they wish
5. States should manage this democratically to protect public health
6. Parties that advocate Health Care as a Right should provide for their members
7. Companies or Organizations should provide for their Workers or Members
8. Combination of the above or Other (please specify)

 

[Mike Dwight]

Um definitely accountants you employ the most ethical of all business schools, accountant auditor specialty graduate level, pay there if you got them.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

I say if we are going to go down that road, everybody pays. Institute a consumption tax and everybody pays equally.

 

[Thinker101]

Given Beliefs being argued that Health Care is a Right,
who should pay for it?

1. It is a Church Duty: The Churches/religions have a duty as part of charity they preach and teach
2. It is Govt Duty to provide: The Govt has the duty to protect public health and safety and promote general welfare
3. It is Govt Duty to remain neutral - The Govt should protect the right of people to practice this belief, but not establish it.
(ie not violate due process, equal beliefs and liberty/free choice of others who may not share this belief it is a right, or may believe in Constitutional limits on govt that would be violated by federal management of health care choices)
4. It is up to Free Choice: People have free choice to believe and pay for health care as they wish
5. States should manage this democratically to protect public health
6. Parties that advocate Health Care as a Right should provide for their members
7. Companies or Organizations should provide for their Workers or Members
8. Combination of the above or Other (please specify)

Yup, Health Care is a right. And each one of us should have a right to choose any plan, any doctor, any hospital. And the right to pay for our choices.

 

[emilynghiem]

I say if we are going to go down that road, everybody pays. Institute a consumption tax and everybody pays equally.

Okay and how would you answer to or deal with people who insist on you paying through govt instead of directly paying for health care services other ways? Ray From Cleveland

 

[emilynghiem]

Given Beliefs being argued that Health Care is a Right,
who should pay for it?

1. It is a Church Duty: The Churches/religions have a duty as part of charity they preach and teach
2. It is Govt Duty to provide: The Govt has the duty to protect public health and safety and promote general welfare
3. It is Govt Duty to remain neutral - The Govt should protect the right of people to practice this belief, but not establish it.
(ie not violate due process, equal beliefs and liberty/free choice of others who may not share this belief it is a right, or may believe in Constitutional limits on govt that would be violated by federal management of health care choices)
4. It is up to Free Choice: People have free choice to believe and pay for health care as they wish
5. States should manage this democratically to protect public health
6. Parties that advocate Health Care as a Right should provide for their members
7. Companies or Organizations should provide for their Workers or Members
8. Combination of the above or Other (please specify)

Yup, Health Care is a right. And each one of us should have a right to choose any plan, any doctor, any hospital. And the right to pay for our choices.

Dear Thinker 101:
If you believe this is a right to choose freely and pay for those choices, what is the best way you see to manage the payment of those choices:
1. by free market and creating or choosing your own programs yourself
2. federal govt creating or managing those choices and payments
3. States managing it for their populations
4. Parties managing it since not everyone agrees with you that it is a right to the same choices
5. People choosing any of the above avenues for paying and providing for health care

If you believe it is a right, are you willing to pay for medical education and clinics to provide that care?

Again, how would you recommend providing these health care facilities, services, access and administration for payments and provisions?

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

I say if we are going to go down that road, everybody pays. Institute a consumption tax and everybody pays equally.

Okay and how would you answer to or deal with people who insist on you paying through govt instead of directly paying for health care services other ways? Ray From Cleveland

I don't know if I quite understand the question. If we pay through a consumption tax, it does go through government. It's the only way it could work.

In my county, we have a consumption tax of 8 cents on the dollar. While I don't care for how the money is used, at least it's taxed evenly. The poor pay this tax, the middle-class pay this tax, the wealthy pay this tax.

The county collects that money and redistributes it to the various factions that are supported by it; mostly public transportation.

The problem with your healthcare is that it becomes political just like Commie Care did. If you are a middle-class working person, it's unaffordable. If you sweep floors for a living, you can get great healthcare insurance at next to nothing in cost.

This is because most floor sweepers vote Democrat, and many middle-class hard working people vote Republican.

 

[Thinker101]

Given Beliefs being argued that Health Care is a Right,
who should pay for it?

1. It is a Church Duty: The Churches/religions have a duty as part of charity they preach and teach
2. It is Govt Duty to provide: The Govt has the duty to protect public health and safety and promote general welfare
3. It is Govt Duty to remain neutral - The Govt should protect the right of people to practice this belief, but not establish it.
(ie not violate due process, equal beliefs and liberty/free choice of others who may not share this belief it is a right, or may believe in Constitutional limits on govt that would be violated by federal management of health care choices)
4. It is up to Free Choice: People have free choice to believe and pay for health care as they wish
5. States should manage this democratically to protect public health
6. Parties that advocate Health Care as a Right should provide for their members
7. Companies or Organizations should provide for their Workers or Members
8. Combination of the above or Other (please specify)

Yup, Health Care is a right. And each one of us should have a right to choose any plan, any doctor, any hospital. And the right to pay for our choices.

Dear Thinker 101:
If you believe this is a right to choose freely and pay for those choices, what is the best way you see to manage the payment of those choices:
1. by free market and creating or choosing your own programs yourself
2. federal govt creating or managing those choices and payments
3. States managing it for their populations
4. Parties managing it since not everyone agrees with you that it is a right to the same choices
5. People choosing any of the above avenues for paying and providing for health care

If you believe it is a right, are you willing to pay for medical education and clinics to provide that care?

Again, how would you recommend providing these health care facilities, services, access and administration for payments and provisions?

Option 1, free market.

 

[emilynghiem]

Um definitely accountants you employ the most ethical of all business schools, accountant auditor specialty graduate level, pay there if you got them.

Mike Dwight: Which people or institutions do you see these Accountants working for. All the choices above? Or do you see certain avenues as more effective, do you have any preferences or beliefs as to what "systems" people should use for the accountants to track payments and services through?

 

[Mike Dwight]

Free Market allows for best choices start to finish. Let free choice best opportunity float to the top.

Accountants don't have in-crowds start to finish is a problem with Marketplaces and big corporations, or if we went straight to the actuaries. Healthcare is weird.

 

[dblack]

The people who should pay for health care are the same people who should pay for food, or shelter, or transportation, clothing, entertainment, etc, etc, etc...

 

[emilynghiem]

Free Market allows for best choices start to finish. Let free choice best opportunity float to the top.

Dear Mike Dwight I agree free choice is essential to any of the other choices.

Once people CHOOSE to advocate health care as a right, THEN which do you think applies to that choice:
Should parties that preach this be required to provide it for their members (instead of imposing those beliefs or costs on taxpayers of other beliefs or parties)

Should states (or federal govt?) be in charge of managing the choices of people paying for health care so they don't impose on each other?

What do we do with people who can't afford help, and who believe it is duty of Govt to provide equal services and access for them. Should that be managed by States or by parties? Nonprofits or businesses?

What if the belief people have involves them DEPENDING on Govt to provide health care.
How would you manage that where it doesn't impose on the free choice of other people who disagree?

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Free Market allows for best choices start to finish. Let free choice best opportunity float to the top.

Accountants don't have in-crowds start to finish is a problem with Marketplaces and big corporations, or if we went straight to the actuaries. Healthcare is weird.

The biggest failure we have in our healthcare system is controlling costs. Everybody has ideas, but nobody ever addresses the cost. The first step to solving this problem is getting the cost down, then figure out how we are going to pay for it. And there are at least a dozen ways to bring down costs, some not costing the taxpayer a dime. But our politicians won't do it.

 

[emilynghiem]

The people who should pay for health care are the same people who should pay for food, or shelter, or transportation, or entertainment, etc, etc, etc...

Hi dblack what about people like Thinker 101 who believe health care is a right, not a choice like the other options you list.

What about people who believe in health care through govt? How can these people's beliefs be accommodated without imposing on others who don't have those same beliefs (or whose beliefs would be violated as with Constitutionalists).

Would you agree to the idea of requiring Parties that preach health care as a right, to set up a "govt" system of providing this for their members through their own taxes or tax deductions for building their own programs to serve the members of the public who share those beliefs?

Should States manage the separation of beliefs, or should we separate taxation by party? What do you suggest so that people with this "health care as a right" belief can exercise their beliefs without discrimination, denial or equal protections?

 

[dblack]

The biggest failure we have in our healthcare system is controlling costs. Everybody has ideas, but nobody ever addresses the cost. The first step to solving this problem is getting the cost down, then figure out how we are going to pay for it.

The thing is, how we pay for it IS the problem.

 

[Seawytch]

All of us should pay for it through taxes.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

The biggest failure we have in our healthcare system is controlling costs. Everybody has ideas, but nobody ever addresses the cost. The first step to solving this problem is getting the cost down, then figure out how we are going to pay for it.

The thing is, how we pay for it IS the problem.

No, it's only a problem because no matter how we pay for it, it's way too much. Government is responsible for much of our unaffordable insurance, yet some think the people who crated the problem would be the perfect ones to fix it.

 

[emilynghiem]

Free Market allows for best choices start to finish. Let free choice best opportunity float to the top.

Accountants don't have in-crowds start to finish is a problem with Marketplaces and big corporations, or if we went straight to the actuaries. Healthcare is weird.

The biggest failure we have in our healthcare system is controlling costs. Everybody has ideas, but nobody ever addresses the cost. The first step to solving this problem is getting the cost down, then figure out how we are going to pay for it. And there are at least a dozen ways to bring down costs, some not costing the taxpayer a dime. But our politicians won't do it.

Hi Ray From Cleveland
What if we
1. prove that given the Cooperative model already being used by direct service or concierge programs cuts the costs in half, and we have the stats to prove these numbers

EX: www.patientphysiciancoop.com

2. then we cite the Code of Ethics for Govt Service calling for anyone in Govt Service to seek the most economical ways of accomplishing tasks:

IV. Seek to find and employ more efficient and economical ways of getting tasks accomplished.

www.ethics-commission.net

3. could we then compel either govt officials or candidates, precinct or party leaders, to start implementing and adopting these cooperative programs in order to cut costs of medical and health care?

If you don't think all politicians or leaders would respond to this solutions, which people would you recommend, in office or in the media, to promote it and pressure the others to follow suit?

 

[dblack]

The people who should pay for health care are the same people who should pay for food, or shelter, or transportation, or entertainment, etc, etc, etc...

Hi dblack what about people like Thinker 101 who believe health care is a right, not a choice like the other options you list.

They have an incoherent conception of the term "right".

What about people who believe in health care through govt? How can these people's beliefs be accommodated without imposing on others who don't have those same beliefs (or whose beliefs would be violated as with Constitutionalists).

They can't. That's the nature of government.

Would you agree to the idea of requiring Parties that preach health care as a right, to set up a "govt" system of providing this for their members through their own taxes or tax deductions for building their own programs to serve the members of the public who share those beliefs?

I like a lot of what you have to say, but I just don't see how this solves anything.

Should States manage the separation of beliefs, or should we separate taxation by party? What do you suggest so that people with this "health care as a right" belief can exercise their beliefs without discrimination, denial or equal protections?

Move to a socialist country?

Sorry to be glib, but this - to me - it's like asking "What do you suggest so that people with this "owning slaves is a right" belief can exercise their beliefs without discrimination, denial or equal protections".

 

[whitehall]

Who should pay for nutritional care? Who should pay for pediatric care and environmental care?