Political Beliefs 101: Who should pay for Health Care?

[Mr Natural]

Back in the day, employer paid health insurance was a given.

What changed since?

 

[emilynghiem]

You have the right to pay your own damn healthcare bills you mooching thieving deadbeats. Get off your big fat lard ass and work a job.

BluesLegend also Dick Foster and Mike Dwight
Since Obama, Pelosi and other members of the DEMOCRATIC PARTY
collectively conspired to abuse Govt to force this "health care as a right" BELIEF on
other taxpayers of dissenting beliefs (thus violating First Amendment rights
against Establishing a religion/belief and Civil Rights against Discrimination by Creed)

Would you agree with my argument that these DEMOCRATS responsible
for "conspiring to violate equal civil rights of other taxpayers"
should pay RESTITUTION for unconstitutional abuses of govt?

Think about it, if this UNCONSTITUTIONAL legislation and enforcement
cost taxpayers billions in contested Corporate handouts to private insurance interests,
then an est. $24 billion in costs for the federal govt shutdown over the UNCONSTITUTIONAL
requirements that affected the federal budget, why couldn't citizens argue to be reimbursed CREDITS for those costs?

Would that be a fair way to redirect taxes and costs "generated by people like Obama
Pelosi and other Democrats" by their "belief" in "imposing health care as a right" beliefs through govt.

Why not demand credits back to taxpayers,
then divide those credits to the different parties complaining.

Would that be a fair way to fund the parties who believe
in paying for their own health care (instead of paying corporate insurance)
whether
1. Democrats take their tax credits and want to pay for health care through GOVT
2. Republicans take their tax refunds and apply that to paying for health care through FREE MARKET choices
3. Other taxpayers and parties likewise take their refunded tax credits and pay for health care as they believe

Would that solve the problem of "some people or parties" still believing
in going through govt to pay for their health care? Could this be done
by free choice, but mandatory for those who committed violations
and who owe restitution/reimbursement. Is that a fair way to fund health care reforms
where free choice of beliefs is respected (and those who believe in going
through govt can still do so without affecting others who don't).

I'd settle for clapping their asses in a cell in Leavenworth. Let's not be too greedy. Remember greed is what created this mess in the first place.

^ And who is going to pay for incarceration at 50K a year per person Dick Foster ^
For $50,000 a year, wouldn't that be better invested in forcing Democrats
who "conspired to violate equal rights and beliefs of citizens"
to pay for health care for the people whose rights they violated?

Would you really rather pay MORE for incarceration,
or sentence the wrongdoers to some penalty that
compels them to CORRECT the cost and damage of
misrepresentation, fraud and felony conspiracy to violate civil rights
by their entire party, leaders and funders, abusing govt to establish discrimination by creed!

 

[emilynghiem]

Back in the day, employer paid health insurance was a given.

What changed since?

Dear Mr Clean I will take the questions and posts from you and Ray From Cleveland
and send them to the people I know who set up Cooperative pricing through a nonprofit in Houston. Some of their founders
know the entire history, starting with HMOs first set up in Houston in the 70s. I think they know this history and can explain.

Thank you.

 

[Dick Foster]

All of us should pay for it through taxes.

Thank you Seawytch
I agree if you mean paying for health care should be tax deductible, so you pay for your own, or if a nonprofit or business pays for you, they deduct it.

What about conflicts over who should pay for "other people's" health care? What if someone doesn't believe in abortion, or drugs, should they still be required to pay costs of consequences from people doing what they don't believe in paying for?

What if we can prove that setting up Cooperatives cuts the cost of health care in half.
If this allows people to provide "universal care for all" then should Cooperatives be required in order to save enough resources to protect and serve people equally?

What if spiritual healing is proven medically to save lives and costs of addiction.

If you are saying people can be forced to pay taxes to pay for drug addicts, could people paying those taxes add a REQUIREMENT that such people go through "spiritual healing" before they agree to pay for their health care?

What if we don't agree on terms for paying for health care? Should we separate groups by their beliefs so people fund or defund as they believe without interfering with each other's beliefs?

No, that's not what I meant or advocate. I support universal basic coverage for all Americans paid for with our taxes with supplemental plans available through insurance companies. Employers could still offer benefits to their employees with good supplemental plans.

Dear Seawytch
Wouldn't it be better to KEEP the medicare pricing so all services can be accessed at cost or close to it
(and still pay provider equal to what govt or insurance pays them based on these prices or pay more since money is saved
by NOT going through govt or insurance which adds administrative costs and hassle to providers and patients)
But CUT OUT the govt/insurance red tape
and just pay the providers DIRECTLY?

That's what Cooperatives do. Isn't that the best of both worlds?

No fighting about going through govt which violates beliefs and free choice of others.
No hassling with claims and administrative backlog that jack up the costs.
No paying profits to commercial corporate insurance, or paying for waste through govt that isn't localized as Cooperatives are
with more direct access and transparency because the members choose which providers to add to and hire with their chapters.

If you could have Cooperative nonprofits negotiate to get "Medicare pricing" by helping providers cut their costs,
AND retain free choice instead of depending on govt to manage for you which depends on other voters and officials,
wouldn't you prefer that?

See previous reply about respecting equal free choice of other people that isn't possible going through govt not equipped to handle
individual choices for every person equally:
Political Beliefs 101: Who should pay for Health Care?

How can you possibly believe that Medicare pays the lowest costs? Have never heard of the ten thousand dollar ashtray? Did you just hatch out, land here from another plant or crawl out from under a rock? What do you not understand about free market economies?

 

[Dick Foster]

You have the right to pay your own damn healthcare bills you mooching thieving deadbeats. Get off your big fat lard ass and work a job.

BluesLegend also Dick Foster and Mike Dwight
Since Obama, Pelosi and other members of the DEMOCRATIC PARTY
collectively conspired to abuse Govt to force this "health care as a right" BELIEF on
other taxpayers of dissenting beliefs (thus violating First Amendment rights
against Establishing a religion/belief and Civil Rights against Discrimination by Creed)

Would you agree with my argument that these DEMOCRATS responsible
for "conspiring to violate equal civil rights of other taxpayers"
should pay RESTITUTION for unconstitutional abuses of govt?

Think about it, if this UNCONSTITUTIONAL legislation and enforcement
cost taxpayers billions in contested Corporate handouts to private insurance interests,
then an est. $24 billion in costs for the federal govt shutdown over the UNCONSTITUTIONAL
requirements that affected the federal budget, why couldn't citizens argue to be reimbursed CREDITS for those costs?

Would that be a fair way to redirect taxes and costs "generated by people like Obama
Pelosi and other Democrats" by their "belief" in "imposing health care as a right" beliefs through govt.

Why not demand credits back to taxpayers,
then divide those credits to the different parties complaining.

Would that be a fair way to fund the parties who believe
in paying for their own health care (instead of paying corporate insurance)
whether
1. Democrats take their tax credits and want to pay for health care through GOVT
2. Republicans take their tax refunds and apply that to paying for health care through FREE MARKET choices
3. Other taxpayers and parties likewise take their refunded tax credits and pay for health care as they believe

Would that solve the problem of "some people or parties" still believing
in going through govt to pay for their health care? Could this be done
by free choice, but mandatory for those who committed violations
and who owe restitution/reimbursement. Is that a fair way to fund health care reforms
where free choice of beliefs is respected (and those who believe in going
through govt can still do so without affecting others who don't).

I'd settle for clapping their asses in a cell in Leavenworth. Let's not be too greedy. Remember greed is what created this mess in the first place.

^ And who is going to pay for incarceration at 50K a year per person Dick Foster ^
For $50,000 a year, wouldn't that be better invested in forcing Democrats
who "conspired to violate equal rights and beliefs of citizens"
to pay for health care for the people whose rights they violated?

Would you really rather pay MORE for incarceration,
or sentence the wrongdoers to some penalty that
compels them to CORRECT the cost and damage of
misrepresentation, fraud and felony conspiracy to violate civil rights
by their entire party, leaders and funders, abusing govt to establish discrimination by creed!

That's simple, no one. We're gonna put Sheriff Joe in charge of that place and put their asses to work supporting themselves for a change.

 

[Edgetho]

Given Beliefs being argued that Health Care is a Right,
who should pay for it?

1. It is a Church Duty: The Churches/religions have a duty as part of charity they preach and teach
2. It is Govt Duty to provide: The Govt has the duty to protect public health and safety and promote general welfare
3. It is Govt Duty to remain neutral - The Govt should protect the right of people to practice this belief, but not establish it.
(ie not violate due process, equal beliefs and liberty/free choice of others who may not share this belief it is a right, or may believe in Constitutional limits on govt that would be violated by federal management of health care choices)
4. It is up to Free Choice: People have free choice to believe and pay for health care as they wish
5. States should manage this democratically to protect public health
6. Parties that advocate Health Care as a Right should provide for their members
7. Companies or Organizations should provide for their Workers or Members
8. Combination of the above or Other (please specify)

No matter what, We The People pay for Health Care.

Period.

You might want to ask who should manage it, who should collect the money for it, who should oversee it, etc, etc, etc.

But in the end, as usual, it is We The People that pay for Health Care.

Just like We The People pay for everything else

 

[emilynghiem]

All of us should pay for it through taxes.

Thank you Seawytch
I agree if you mean paying for health care should be tax deductible, so you pay for your own, or if a nonprofit or business pays for you, they deduct it.

What about conflicts over who should pay for "other people's" health care? What if someone doesn't believe in abortion, or drugs, should they still be required to pay costs of consequences from people doing what they don't believe in paying for?

What if we can prove that setting up Cooperatives cuts the cost of health care in half.
If this allows people to provide "universal care for all" then should Cooperatives be required in order to save enough resources to protect and serve people equally?

What if spiritual healing is proven medically to save lives and costs of addiction.

If you are saying people can be forced to pay taxes to pay for drug addicts, could people paying those taxes add a REQUIREMENT that such people go through "spiritual healing" before they agree to pay for their health care?

What if we don't agree on terms for paying for health care? Should we separate groups by their beliefs so people fund or defund as they believe without interfering with each other's beliefs?

No, that's not what I meant or advocate. I support universal basic coverage for all Americans paid for with our taxes with supplemental plans available through insurance companies. Employers could still offer benefits to their employees with good supplemental plans.

Dear Seawytch
Wouldn't it be better to KEEP the medicare pricing so all services can be accessed at cost or close to it
(and still pay provider equal to what govt or insurance pays them based on these prices or pay more since money is saved
by NOT going through govt or insurance which adds administrative costs and hassle to providers and patients)
But CUT OUT the govt/insurance red tape
and just pay the providers DIRECTLY?

That's what Cooperatives do. Isn't that the best of both worlds?

No fighting about going through govt which violates beliefs and free choice of others.
No hassling with claims and administrative backlog that jack up the costs.
No paying profits to commercial corporate insurance, or paying for waste through govt that isn't localized as Cooperatives are
with more direct access and transparency because the members choose which providers to add to and hire with their chapters.

If you could have Cooperative nonprofits negotiate to get "Medicare pricing" by helping providers cut their costs,
AND retain free choice instead of depending on govt to manage for you which depends on other voters and officials,
wouldn't you prefer that?

See previous reply about respecting equal free choice of other people that isn't possible going through govt not equipped to handle
individual choices for every person equally:
Political Beliefs 101: Who should pay for Health Care?

How can you possibly believe that Medicare pays the lowest costs? Have never heard of the ten thousand dollar ashtray? Did you just hatch out, land here from another plant or crawl out from under a rock? What do you not understand about free market economies?

Dear Dick Foster
I think you are talking about Govt or Third Party admin jacking up the "real" cost and process of Medicare.
I agree that's a mess, adds costs and interferes with choices.

What I MEAN is "medicare pricing" - the pricing of services and materials used per procedure
is reviewed by medical professionals before publishing this list.

That's what Cooperatives/direct care associations and "concierge" programs use to negotiate pricing.

So if you set this up right, especially NONPROFITS that cut all the profit cost out of the process,
people can access services at the same "medicare costs" that insurance/govt already pays based on this list,
but BYPASS or REMOVE the high-profit margins, the admin/claims hassles and marketing/overhead costs.

So like you said, you get rid of the garbage in the mix that is jacking up the costs and impeding access to services
(since doctors/providers can't afford the admin hassle of going through govt and insurance to get paid)
and you keep just the basic "at cost" pricing (or Cooperatives can afford to pay providers 10-30% above medicare
prices because of cutting out all the other costs, where money goes directly to services not to the added red tape or profits)

 

[Dick Foster]

All of us should pay for it through taxes.

Thank you Seawytch
I agree if you mean paying for health care should be tax deductible, so you pay for your own, or if a nonprofit or business pays for you, they deduct it.

What about conflicts over who should pay for "other people's" health care? What if someone doesn't believe in abortion, or drugs, should they still be required to pay costs of consequences from people doing what they don't believe in paying for?

What if we can prove that setting up Cooperatives cuts the cost of health care in half.
If this allows people to provide "universal care for all" then should Cooperatives be required in order to save enough resources to protect and serve people equally?

What if spiritual healing is proven medically to save lives and costs of addiction.

If you are saying people can be forced to pay taxes to pay for drug addicts, could people paying those taxes add a REQUIREMENT that such people go through "spiritual healing" before they agree to pay for their health care?

What if we don't agree on terms for paying for health care? Should we separate groups by their beliefs so people fund or defund as they believe without interfering with each other's beliefs?

No, that's not what I meant or advocate. I support universal basic coverage for all Americans paid for with our taxes with supplemental plans available through insurance companies. Employers could still offer benefits to their employees with good supplemental plans.

Dear Seawytch
Wouldn't it be better to KEEP the medicare pricing so all services can be accessed at cost or close to it
(and still pay provider equal to what govt or insurance pays them based on these prices or pay more since money is saved
by NOT going through govt or insurance which adds administrative costs and hassle to providers and patients)
But CUT OUT the govt/insurance red tape
and just pay the providers DIRECTLY?

That's what Cooperatives do. Isn't that the best of both worlds?

No fighting about going through govt which violates beliefs and free choice of others.
No hassling with claims and administrative backlog that jack up the costs.
No paying profits to commercial corporate insurance, or paying for waste through govt that isn't localized as Cooperatives are
with more direct access and transparency because the members choose which providers to add to and hire with their chapters.

If you could have Cooperative nonprofits negotiate to get "Medicare pricing" by helping providers cut their costs,
AND retain free choice instead of depending on govt to manage for you which depends on other voters and officials,
wouldn't you prefer that?

See previous reply about respecting equal free choice of other people that isn't possible going through govt not equipped to handle
individual choices for every person equally:
Political Beliefs 101: Who should pay for Health Care?

How can you possibly believe that Medicare pays the lowest costs? Have never heard of the ten thousand dollar ashtray? Did you just hatch out, land here from another plant or crawl out from under a rock? What do you not understand about free market economies?

Dear Dick Foster
I think you are talking about Govt or Third Party admin jacking up the "real" cost and process of Medicare.
I agree that's a mess, adds costs and interferes with choices.

What I MEAN is "medicare pricing" - the pricing of services and materials used per procedure
is reviewed by medical professionals before publishing this list.

That's what Cooperatives/direct care associations and "concierge" programs use to negotiate pricing.

So if you set this up right, especially NONPROFITS that cut all the profit cost out of the process,
people can access services at the same "medicare costs" that insurance/govt already pays based on this list,
but BYPASS or REMOVE the high-profit margins, the admin/claims hassles and marketing/overhead costs.

So like you said, you get rid of the garbage in the mix that is jacking up the costs and impeding access to services
(since doctors/providers can't afford the admin hassle of going through govt and insurance to get paid)
and you keep just the basic "at cost" pricing (or Cooperatives can afford to pay providers 10-30% above medicare
prices because of cutting out all the other costs, where money goes directly to services not to the added red tape or profits)

What I'm saying is simply to allow the free market to work as it should with no interference from anyone. An unrestrained free market always finds the lowest cost and highest quality though unfettered competition. The medical industry will have no choice as they either have to meet market demands or die of starvation. The free market emulates mother nature by sorting out the weak and unfit while allowing the best to succeed, prosper and continue.

 

[Edgetho]

What I'm saying is simply to allow the free market to work as it should with no interference from anyone. An unrestrained free market always finds the lowest cost and highest quality though unfettered competition. The medical industry will have no choice as they either have to meet market demands or die of starvation. The free market emulates mother nature by sorting out the weak and unfit while allowing the best to succeed, prosper and continue.

That's not true at all. I'm as Conservative as it gets, in case you don't know me, but.....

History has shown that people that provide a skilled service or a rare product will usually form Guilds that protect themselves and that have zero, or less, concern about those they are supposed to serve.

In fact, Historians believe almost unanimously, that Guilds kept the Western World in the Dark Ages for at least 500 years longer than it should have been.

Left to their own devices, Doctors and Dentists will be worse than they are now. And right now -- They're bad.

They're really, really, really bad.

Why should a person have to get a BA before they start Medical School?? Two years in a regular college is more than sufficient before they start the rigors of Med School -- 4 years there and usually another two to four years to get their Fellow certification -- Ophthalmology, Orthopedics, plus about another 50 specialties.

The only people that can afford it are the sons and daughters of the Rich and Totally Useless.

Med Schools, the AMA needs to be kicked in the nuts.

And that's for starters.

Lawyers add BILLIONS upon BILLIONS to the cost of Health Care. BILLIONS.

Drug Companies typically spend more defending lawsuits than they do developing life-saving drugs.

Doctors are forced to practice 'Defensive Medicine' due to all the lawsuits they face.

Turn on the TV, you can't go 5 minutes without seeing a commercial from Dewey, Cheatum and Howe telling you that if you took a pill and your dick fell off, they'll sue anybody and everybody in your name at no risk to you. They just start writing letters and threatening Doctors to see if they'll roll over. Sometimes, they have to go to Court and in there, they do a razzle-dazzle for the Jury that often succeeds.

Lawyers need to be reeled in. Preferably, they should ALL be taken and shot but that is easier said than done.

THESE THINGS are just for starters. Anybody that thinks the Feds can fix our Health Care system with a wave of the hand is an idiot.

For one thing, virtually every single dimocrap SCUMBAG politician we have is a fucking lawyer. And they all have lawyer friends.

You think they're gonna do anything to hurt their Law Firms or their buddy's Law Firm?

You're nuts if you do.

The problem can be solved simply........

Vote aginst every single dimocrap scumbag. Every time.

We can find a solution but not as long dimocrap scum have any power at all.

They are CRIMINALS. Just that simple.

Do with this knowledge what you will.

I've got the VA.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Back in the day, employer paid health insurance was a given.

What changed since?

Commie Care for one. I had employer coverage my entire life throughout over a half-dozen jobs. When Commie Care started, that's when small companies dropped their coverage. I lost my coverage at the age of 55. Looking for another job even at this age, most don't carry insurance anymore either thanks to Commie Care.

 

[Mr Natural]

Commie Care for one. I had employer coverage my entire life throughout over a half-dozen jobs. When Commie Care started, that's when small companies dropped their coverage. I lost my coverage at the age of 55. Looking for another job even at this age, most don't carry insurance anymore either thanks to Commie Care.

Commie care?

What is that?

 

[Timmy]

Given Beliefs being argued that Health Care is a Right,
who should pay for it?

1. It is a Church Duty: The Churches/religions have a duty as part of charity they preach and teach
2. It is Govt Duty to provide: The Govt has the duty to protect public health and safety and promote general welfare
3. It is Govt Duty to remain neutral - The Govt should protect the right of people to practice this belief, but not establish it.
(ie not violate due process, equal beliefs and liberty/free choice of others who may not share this belief it is a right, or may believe in Constitutional limits on govt that would be violated by federal management of health care choices)
4. It is up to Free Choice: People have free choice to believe and pay for health care as they wish
5. States should manage this democratically to protect public health
6. Parties that advocate Health Care as a Right should provide for their members
7. Companies or Organizations should provide for their Workers or Members
8. Combination of the above or Other (please specify)

Health care is unique because it’s generally a necessity and it also is part of public safety .

We have private insurance wh gov regulation. Which is fine.

We also have gov programs for those without. Which is also fine . But how we run that is very inefficient.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Given Beliefs being argued that Health Care is a Right,
who should pay for it?

1. It is a Church Duty: The Churches/religions have a duty as part of charity they preach and teach
2. It is Govt Duty to provide: The Govt has the duty to protect public health and safety and promote general welfare
3. It is Govt Duty to remain neutral - The Govt should protect the right of people to practice this belief, but not establish it.
(ie not violate due process, equal beliefs and liberty/free choice of others who may not share this belief it is a right, or may believe in Constitutional limits on govt that would be violated by federal management of health care choices)
4. It is up to Free Choice: People have free choice to believe and pay for health care as they wish
5. States should manage this democratically to protect public health
6. Parties that advocate Health Care as a Right should provide for their members
7. Companies or Organizations should provide for their Workers or Members
8. Combination of the above or Other (please specify)

Health care is unique because it’s generally a necessity and it also is part of public safety .

We have private insurance wh gov regulation. Which is fine.

We also have gov programs for those without. Which is also fine . But how we run that is very inefficient.

Right. So what you have is the wealthy able to get healthcare and the poor getting healthcare, but the middle-class, F them. They can pay for their own healthcare somehow. That's exactly what the Commie Care plan was. It was a vote buying plan to screw the middle guy who typically votes Republican, and give to the little guy who typically votes Democrat.

 

[Timmy]

Back in the day, employer paid health insurance was a given.

What changed since?

Commie Care for one. I had employer coverage my entire life throughout over a half-dozen jobs. When Commie Care started, that's when small companies dropped their coverage. I lost my coverage at the age of 55. Looking for another job even at this age, most don't carry insurance anymore either thanks to Commie Care.

Liar.

Health care has improved , causing costs to rise . This has been going on since about the 80s.

You can’t rely on private companies to cover everyone . It’s too pricey .

 

[Timmy]

Given Beliefs being argued that Health Care is a Right,
who should pay for it?

1. It is a Church Duty: The Churches/religions have a duty as part of charity they preach and teach
2. It is Govt Duty to provide: The Govt has the duty to protect public health and safety and promote general welfare
3. It is Govt Duty to remain neutral - The Govt should protect the right of people to practice this belief, but not establish it.
(ie not violate due process, equal beliefs and liberty/free choice of others who may not share this belief it is a right, or may believe in Constitutional limits on govt that would be violated by federal management of health care choices)
4. It is up to Free Choice: People have free choice to believe and pay for health care as they wish
5. States should manage this democratically to protect public health
6. Parties that advocate Health Care as a Right should provide for their members
7. Companies or Organizations should provide for their Workers or Members
8. Combination of the above or Other (please specify)

Health care is unique because it’s generally a necessity and it also is part of public safety .

We have private insurance wh gov regulation. Which is fine.

We also have gov programs for those without. Which is also fine . But how we run that is very inefficient.

Right. So what you have is the wealthy able to get healthcare and the poor getting healthcare, but the middle-class, F them. They can pay for their own healthcare somehow. That's exactly what the Commie Care plan was. It was a vote buying plan to screw the middle guy who typically votes Republican, and give to the little guy who typically votes Democrat.

Not true . O care fills the gap .

Unless you are just cool with letting people die in the gutter.

What’s your plan ?

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Back in the day, employer paid health insurance was a given.

What changed since?

Commie Care for one. I had employer coverage my entire life throughout over a half-dozen jobs. When Commie Care started, that's when small companies dropped their coverage. I lost my coverage at the age of 55. Looking for another job even at this age, most don't carry insurance anymore either thanks to Commie Care.

Liar.

Health care has improved , causing costs to rise . This has been going on since about the 80s.

You can’t rely on private companies to cover everyone . It’s too pricey .

Which is why we need to work on bringing down the costs first, and later work on how to pay for it.

 

[Timmy]

Back in the day, employer paid health insurance was a given.

What changed since?

Commie Care for one. I had employer coverage my entire life throughout over a half-dozen jobs. When Commie Care started, that's when small companies dropped their coverage. I lost my coverage at the age of 55. Looking for another job even at this age, most don't carry insurance anymore either thanks to Commie Care.

Liar.

Health care has improved , causing costs to rise . This has been going on since about the 80s.

You can’t rely on private companies to cover everyone . It’s too pricey .

Which is why we need to work on bringing down the costs first, and later work on how to pay for it.

I’m with that . How do you do it?

Let’s take drug costs . The government should use its buying power to work cheaper prices . Like Walmart does . But paid for politicians won’t allow it .

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Back in the day, employer paid health insurance was a given.

What changed since?

Commie Care for one. I had employer coverage my entire life throughout over a half-dozen jobs. When Commie Care started, that's when small companies dropped their coverage. I lost my coverage at the age of 55. Looking for another job even at this age, most don't carry insurance anymore either thanks to Commie Care.

Liar.

Health care has improved , causing costs to rise . This has been going on since about the 80s.

You can’t rely on private companies to cover everyone . It’s too pricey .

Which is why we need to work on bringing down the costs first, and later work on how to pay for it.

I’m with that . How do you do it?

Let’s take drug costs . The government should use its buying power to work cheaper prices . Like Walmart does . But paid for politicians won’t allow it .

Let me tell you what Walmart does:

Several years ago the price of my insulin kept going up. It was starting to have a financial burden on me, so I wrote the the producers of the drug to find out WTF was going on? I only received a generic answer. I talked to pharmacies all around my home, and still no luck. Internet? No answers.

Finally I ran into a pharmacist at my grocery store and told her of my problem. She suggested I checkout Walmart because they have generic insulin. Generic insulin? Not me, no way.

Finally when my insulin hit three times the price I was paying when I first started, I remember what that one pharmacist said to me and forced me to check it out.

I use four vials a month, but not sure what I was going to be sold, I purchased one vial. It was the price I paid when I first became diabetic; $24.99.

When the pharmacist handed it to me, it looked awfully familiar. It turns out it was the same insulin I have always purchased, but it had a little ® on the box. It stood for Reliance, the name Walmart uses for their generic drugs.

Bottom line: Walmart made a dirty deal with the insulin producers to sell them their product at the cheapest possible price. The manufacturer increased the prices on every other pharmacy outside of Walmart and Sam's Club which are one of the same company.

They only allow you to purchase four vials a month, because people were buying it and selling it to unsuspecting insulin users for a profit.

 

[BrokeLoser]

Given Beliefs being argued that Health Care is a Right,
who should pay for it?

1. It is a Church Duty: The Churches/religions have a duty as part of charity they preach and teach
2. It is Govt Duty to provide: The Govt has the duty to protect public health and safety and promote general welfare
3. It is Govt Duty to remain neutral - The Govt should protect the right of people to practice this belief, but not establish it.
(ie not violate due process, equal beliefs and liberty/free choice of others who may not share this belief it is a right, or may believe in Constitutional limits on govt that would be violated by federal management of health care choices)
4. It is up to Free Choice: People have free choice to believe and pay for health care as they wish
5. States should manage this democratically to protect public health
6. Parties that advocate Health Care as a Right should provide for their members
7. Companies or Organizations should provide for their Workers or Members
8. Combination of the above or Other (please specify)

Nearly 1/3 of the U.S. population is here by illegal means...most here with illegal roots suck the taxpayer tit dry and drive up all healthcare related costs.
Amend the 14th and make it retroactive...Start rounding up wetbacks and their silver tooth anchor babies by the millions...send them all to Mexico...Only then can we start to bring down the cost of healthcare and help REAL Americans with legitimate subsidization.

 

[Mr Natural]

Given Beliefs being argued that Health Care is a Right,
who should pay for it?

1. It is a Church Duty: The Churches/religions have a duty as part of charity they preach and teach
2. It is Govt Duty to provide: The Govt has the duty to protect public health and safety and promote general welfare
3. It is Govt Duty to remain neutral - The Govt should protect the right of people to practice this belief, but not establish it.
(ie not violate due process, equal beliefs and liberty/free choice of others who may not share this belief it is a right, or may believe in Constitutional limits on govt that would be violated by federal management of health care choices)
4. It is up to Free Choice: People have free choice to believe and pay for health care as they wish
5. States should manage this democratically to protect public health
6. Parties that advocate Health Care as a Right should provide for their members
7. Companies or Organizations should provide for their Workers or Members
8. Combination of the above or Other (please specify)

Nearly 1/3 of the U.S. population is here by illegal means...most here with illegal roots suck the taxpayer tit dry and drive up all healthcare related costs.
Amend the 14th and make it retroactive...Start rounding up wetbacks and their silver tooth anchor babies by the millions...send them all to Mexico...Only then can we start to bring down the cost of healthcare and help REAL Americans with legitimate subsidization.

The asshole hath spoken.