Police Unions: are they part of the problem with police brutality?

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Maybe it’s finally time to consider the role that police unions play in perpetuating police brutality. NYC Mayor De Blasio has frequently tangled with his city’s powerful unions, but he’s never challenged their vast political power. And make no mistake, that power is often used to cover up and deflect charges of police misconduct. “The unions, at least in New York City, outright just protect, protect, protect the cops,” retired NYPD commander Corey Pegues wrote in his memoir, Once a Cop. “It’s a blanket system of covering up police officers.”

Same deal in Los Angeles. In 2012, Jackie Lacey made history. Not only did she become the first woman to serve as Los Angeles district attorney, she was also the first black person in the job. Lacey was born and raised in Crenshaw, and her victory appeared to represent a significant change for an office routinely criticized by community leaders for its slothful response to police brutality and corruption.

Since then there have been more than 500 officers involved in fatal shootings, and according to the Los Angeles Times, Lacey's office has only brought charges against less than 1% of them.
Fair or not, perhaps this reality helps explain why protesters in Southern California felt the need to shut down a major highway and flood the streets of downtown Los Angeles Friday night in solidarity with Minneapolis.
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There is an uncomfortable, symbiotic relationship between the nation's police unions and the district and county attorneys who are elected to hold the union's membership accountable. In the new light of the high-profile death of Floyd — and so many unarmed minority women and men at the hands of police officers — records like Lacey's 500-to-1 certainly raises an eyebrow.
In her case, we can juxtapose it against the millions of dollars sent to her campaign by law enforcement unions, and the $1 million dollars the LAPD union contributed to a PAC dedicated to defeating her most recent opponent (George Gascón, the one who has promised to toughen the standards for "necessary" use of force by police). You begin to wonder if there's a conflict of interest. After all, if grassroots leaders worry that powerful politicians with close ties to gun and oil lobbies are somewhat compromised, is it not fair to wonder the same here? [Not to mention teacher unions, but that's for another day.]
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To be clear, Lacey did not create this mess. Prosecutors must work closely with law enforcement in order to do their jobs effectively. It gets sticky when the job requires those prosecutors to investigate police officers, and downright seedy when prosecutors accept money from police unions, something that has occurred in cities and counties across the country for some time. As The Guardian notes: "Among the 95% of district attorneys who are elected, many ... receive valuable donations and public endorsements from police unions for their campaigns."
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Former presidential candidate Amy Klobuchar was the Hennepin County(MN) attorney, the chief prosecutor in Minneapolis, from 1999 to 2007. She has come under fire from some for not bringing charges against Derek Chauvin, one of six officers involved in a 2006 shooting of a man who stabbed multiple people.

Now Klobuchar, whose name has surfaced as a potential running mate for presumptive Democrat nominee Joe Biden, has called the suggestion that she had a role in declining to bring charges against Chauvin in 2006 as a "lie," according to the New York Times. (Chauvin had also accumulated several complaints before Floyd's death.)

However, what she can't deny is her record. In the more than two dozen cases in which people were killed by police, she didn't bring charges against any of them. She did, however, go hard after vandals and minors, which disproportionately affected minorities. And while the source of contributions made to her re-election campaign can no longer be found, she had a cozy relationship with — and public backing of — the police unions that endorsed her, according to a 2019 report from American Public Media and Minnesota Public Radio.

In and of itself, this does not indicate any wrongdoing. But given that Minneapolis paid $4.8 million in legal settlements related to 122 police misconduct incidents, and law enforcement was involved in 29 deaths during her tenure, according to the APM/MPR report, why must we be expected to believe it means nothing?


So - is all this just a coincidence? I doubt anything was illegal, but the appearance of a conflict of interest seems obvious. Ordinary people out there want justice, for themselves but also for the bad cops, and so far it looks like they are mostly 0 for 2.

At this point I have to ask: why in God's name do black voters keep voting into office the same people who are taking money from the police unions and allowing bad cops to continue to serve after 17 violations? Mostly all Democrats, in all the major cities where this is a problem. It's hard to understand, bitching and protesting hasn't gotten you very far since 1968, has it? So why the fuck don't you vote the incumbents out?
 
Absolutely. I don't have an issue with police being unionized because given the job they have to do they should have somebody in their corner going to bat for them. The problem with the police unions, however, is that far too often they also defend the shitty cops and get them right back out on the street to do more damage.
 
Absolutely. I don't have an issue with police being unionized because given the job they have to do they should have somebody in their corner going to bat for them. The problem with the police unions, however, is that far too often they also defend the shitty cops and get them right back out on the street to do more damage.
Same as teacher unions
 
Absolutely. I don't have an issue with police being unionized because given the job they have to do they should have somebody in their corner going to bat for them. The problem with the police unions, however, is that far too often they also defend the shitty cops and get them right back out on the street to do more damage.
Which is exactly what teachers unions do. Defend shitty teachers.

if I were the cops I would refuse the orders to stand down and would walk off the job.
 
You know, I've always wondered about the police unions and the amount of power they seem to have being able to get dirty cops cleared of violence or murder.

I mean.....................in the military, if you do something stupid, you are held accountable. Not only that, but if you are kicked out of the military for disciplinary reasons, you get an RE-4 reenlistment code, which means that you can never serve in any branch of the military from then on. If you are a cop that is fired for disciplinary problems? The solution is simple, you move to another town and get re-hired as a police officer.

Why in the hell do we hold the police to less accountability than what we do the military? Both are authorized to use deadly force if necessary. So why in the hell is it that we don't hold the police accountable?

I know if I had done even half the crap that some of these cops who have been on the news, I would have been kicked out of the military, after a courts martial and some brig time.
 
Yes the unions play a role and the people aren't going to back the police in any threat to strike to get protections from the laws they are hired to enforce.
 
Maybe it’s finally time to consider the role that police unions play in perpetuating police brutality. NYC Mayor De Blasio has frequently tangled with his city’s powerful unions, but he’s never challenged their vast political power. And make no mistake, that power is often used to cover up and deflect charges of police misconduct. “The unions, at least in New York City, outright just protect, protect, protect the cops,” retired NYPD commander Corey Pegues wrote in his memoir, Once a Cop. “It’s a blanket system of covering up police officers.”

Same deal in Los Angeles. In 2012, Jackie Lacey made history. Not only did she become the first woman to serve as Los Angeles district attorney, she was also the first black person in the job. Lacey was born and raised in Crenshaw, and her victory appeared to represent a significant change for an office routinely criticized by community leaders for its slothful response to police brutality and corruption.

Since then there have been more than 500 officers involved in fatal shootings, and according to the Los Angeles Times, Lacey's office has only brought charges against less than 1% of them.
Fair or not, perhaps this reality helps explain why protesters in Southern California felt the need to shut down a major highway and flood the streets of downtown Los Angeles Friday night in solidarity with Minneapolis.
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There is an uncomfortable, symbiotic relationship between the nation's police unions and the district and county attorneys who are elected to hold the union's membership accountable. In the new light of the high-profile death of Floyd — and so many unarmed minority women and men at the hands of police officers — records like Lacey's 500-to-1 certainly raises an eyebrow.
In her case, we can juxtapose it against the millions of dollars sent to her campaign by law enforcement unions, and the $1 million dollars the LAPD union contributed to a PAC dedicated to defeating her most recent opponent (George Gascón, the one who has promised to toughen the standards for "necessary" use of force by police). You begin to wonder if there's a conflict of interest. After all, if grassroots leaders worry that powerful politicians with close ties to gun and oil lobbies are somewhat compromised, is it not fair to wonder the same here? [Not to mention teacher unions, but that's for another day.]
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To be clear, Lacey did not create this mess. Prosecutors must work closely with law enforcement in order to do their jobs effectively. It gets sticky when the job requires those prosecutors to investigate police officers, and downright seedy when prosecutors accept money from police unions, something that has occurred in cities and counties across the country for some time. As The Guardian notes: "Among the 95% of district attorneys who are elected, many ... receive valuable donations and public endorsements from police unions for their campaigns."
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Former presidential candidate Amy Klobuchar was the Hennepin County(MN) attorney, the chief prosecutor in Minneapolis, from 1999 to 2007. She has come under fire from some for not bringing charges against Derek Chauvin, one of six officers involved in a 2006 shooting of a man who stabbed multiple people.

Now Klobuchar, whose name has surfaced as a potential running mate for presumptive Democrat nominee Joe Biden, has called the suggestion that she had a role in declining to bring charges against Chauvin in 2006 as a "lie," according to the New York Times. (Chauvin had also accumulated several complaints before Floyd's death.)

However, what she can't deny is her record. In the more than two dozen cases in which people were killed by police, she didn't bring charges against any of them. She did, however, go hard after vandals and minors, which disproportionately affected minorities. And while the source of contributions made to her re-election campaign can no longer be found, she had a cozy relationship with — and public backing of — the police unions that endorsed her, according to a 2019 report from American Public Media and Minnesota Public Radio.

In and of itself, this does not indicate any wrongdoing. But given that Minneapolis paid $4.8 million in legal settlements related to 122 police misconduct incidents, and law enforcement was involved in 29 deaths during her tenure, according to the APM/MPR report, why must we be expected to believe it means nothing?


So - is all this just a coincidence? I doubt anything was illegal, but the appearance of a conflict of interest seems obvious. Ordinary people out there want justice, for themselves but also for the bad cops, and so far it looks like they are mostly 0 for 2.

At this point I have to ask: why in God's name do black voters keep voting into office the same people who are taking money from the police unions and allowing bad cops to continue to serve after 17 violations? Mostly all Democrats, in all the major cities where this is a problem. It's hard to understand, bitching and protesting hasn't gotten you very far since 1968, has it? So why the fuck don't you vote the incumbents out?
There are problems with police unions for sure. But a larger problem is our justice system a whole. One could go on for days about how out dated our adversarial debate system of “trial” with a jury of 12 contestants determining who the winner is, but... We can do that elsewhere. But HERE, and particularly when dealing with police; we the people have a major problem. There are certain events that occur in the course of human interaction, whose consequences are so severe; that it’s not just a miscarriage of justice to have an independent “authority” decide if the matter should be tried, and decided by the people. It is an out right usurpation of the authority of a free people who have established a government of the people for the people, and by the people.
Having members of the police, and district attorneys deciding whether or not the people themselves should have the say so in every human interaction that results in the death of another; is just one of the countless freedoms, and powers we supposedly free people have given away. And with that we’ve given away our authority.
 
Maybe it’s finally time to consider the role that police unions play in perpetuating police brutality.
  1. Guns are banned whenever a police union is in town.
  2. The official position of all police unions is that guns are for police and active duty military only.
  3. Police unions completely disregard the Second Amendment.
  4. The police union's collective bargaining agreement includes a forced confession in a court of common pleas for all defendants under a universal “plea deal” with the prosecutor.
  5. There is nothing resembling the due process of law. Cops go on strike and become violent if they don't get their way in court.
  6. Police unions have no respect for the Constitutional rights of non-police-officers accused of a crime.
  7. Cops abuse, beat, and kill defendants at will with total impunity whenever the police union become involved.
 

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