Plan Dalet - The final solution for the Palestinians and the genocide plan we actually know about...

[teddyearp]

louie888 I ask again. Your claim in the OP that "terrorism first reared her ugly head in Palestine, the terrorists where not Arab Muslims... they were Israeli Jews!" is incorrect isn't it? What about Hebron and Tzfat in 1929? What about Tzfat in the 1800's?

 

[Roudy]

According to Pappé, the 1948 Palestinian exodus resulted from a planned ethnic cleansing of Palestine that was implemented by the Zionist movement leaders, mainly David Ben-Gurion and the other ten members of his "consultancy group" as referred to by Pappé. The book argues that the ethnic cleansing was put into effect through systematic expulsions of about 500 Arab villages, as well as terrorist attacks executed mainly by members of the Irgun and Haganah troops against the civilian population. Ilan Pappé also refers to Plan Dalet and to the village files as a proof...

The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine - Wikipedia

Like I said, Achmed Loo-loo 666, you have it ass-bakwards as usual, groups such as the Haganah and Irgun were formed after the Arab Muslim animals first attacked and tried to commit ethnic cleansing on the Jews in 1929 and even before. It was then that the Jews decided to arm themselves and form defensive militias to prevent it from happening again.

1929_Hebron_massacre

Hitler's Mufti | Catholic Answers

Recent work by historians and apologists has revealed that an influential, international religious leader was also an ardent supporter of Adolf Hitler. His name was not Pope Pius XII but Hajj Amin al-Husseini. This Grand Mufti of Jerusalem recruited whole divisions of fanatics to fight and kill in the name of extremism. Revered in some circles today as one of the fathers of modern radical Islam, al-Husseini has been the subject of a number of modern studies. Scholars such as David Dalin, John Rothmann, Chuck Morse, and others have courageously brought al-Husseini’s actions to light. "Hitler’s Mufti," as many have called him, had a direct hand in some of the darkest moments of the Holocaust, the slaughter of tens of thousands of Christians, and the formation of some of the most hate-filled generations of modern history. Al-Husseini is a testament to the way that evil finds evil.

At their meeting, al-Husseini requested German assistance with the Arab independence movement and Nazi support in the extermination of any Jewish homeland. For his part, Hitler promised to aid that liberation movement, but went still further, promising that the aim of Nazi Germany would be the elimination of all Jews living under British protection once such territories had been conquered. This was described by al-Husseini in his own memoirs:

"Our fundamental condition for cooperating with Germany was a free hand to eradicate every last Jew from Palestine and the Arab world. I asked Hitler for an explicit undertaking to allow us to solve the Jewish people in a manner befitting our national and racial aspirations and according to the scientific methods innovated by Germany in the handling of its Jews. The answer I got was: "The Jews are yours." (Ami Isseroff and Peter FitzGerald-Morris, "The Iraq Coup Attempt of 1941, the Mufti, and the Farhud")"

To assist the practical slaughter of Jews and Christians, al-Husseini built an army of Muslim volunteer units for the Waffen-SS (the combat units of the dread SS) to operate for the Nazi cause in the Balkans. While the appeal for volunteers from among Muslims always struggled to meet the demands for new recruits, al-Husseini was able to organize three divisions of Bosnian Muslims who were then trained as elements of the Waffen-SS. The largest radical Muslim unit was the 13th Waffen-SS Handzar ("Dagger") division that boasted over 21,000 men. They were joined by the Bosnian 23rd Waffen-SS Kama Division and the Albanian Skanderbeg 21st Waffen-SS Division. The Muslim Waffen-SS forces fought across the Balkans against Communist partisans and then assisted in the genocide of Yugoslavian Jews and in the persecution and slaughter of Gypsies and Christian Serbs in 1944 and 1945. The brutality extended to Catholics as well, for the Muslim Waffen-SS cut a path of destruction across the Balkans that encompassed a large number of Catholic parishes, churches, and shrines and resulted in the deaths of thousands of Catholics. By the end of the war, al-Husseini’s fanatical soldiers had killed over 90 percent of the Jews in Bosnia.

 

[teddyearp]

Looks like louie888 got caught in another lie, obvious since he has let this thread go cold; ignoring questions. He'll come back with some more bullshit and bump it, but in the meantime, here's some info:

“The Arab armies entered Palestine to protect the Palestinians from the Zionist tyranny but, instead, they abandoned them, forced them to emigrate and to leave their homeland, and threw them into prisons similar to the ghettos in which the Jews used to live.”

— Palestinian Authority (then) Prime Minister Mahmoud Abbas (Abu Mazen) (Falastin a-Thaura, (March 1976)

In his memoirs, Haled al Azm, the Syrian Prime Minister in 1948-49, also admitted the Arab role in persuading the refugees to leave:

“Since 1948 we have been demanding the return of the refugees to their homes. But we ourselves are the ones who encouraged them to leave. Only a few months separated our call to them to leave and our appeal to the United Nations to resolve on their return” (The Memoirs of Haled al Azm, Beirut, 1973, Part 1, pp. 386-387).

 

[louie888]

louie888 I ask again. Your claim in the OP that "terrorism first reared her ugly head in Palestine, the terrorists where not Arab Muslims... they were Israeli Jews!" is incorrect isn't it? What about Hebron and Tzfat in 1929? What about Tzfat in the 1800's?

It is not incorrect. These were cases were the indigenous people of Palestine protected themselves from the European invaders. Jewish liars leave that out. What happened in Hebron was a direct reaction to the European's attempt at taking control of the temple mount in Jerusalem. Jewish liars pretend that these were simply rumors, however, by the summer of '29 100s of Jews went to Jerusalem, they chanted their racist slogans and attacked the indigenous Arab Muslims.

Tzfat in the 1800's? If you are referring to Safed, Palestine, the Druze - not Muslims - again were fighting the European invaders.

 

[Hollie]

louie888 I ask again. Your claim in the OP that "terrorism first reared her ugly head in Palestine, the terrorists where not Arab Muslims... they were Israeli Jews!" is incorrect isn't it? What about Hebron and Tzfat in 1929? What about Tzfat in the 1800's?

It is not incorrect. These were cases were the indigenous people of Palestine protected themselves from the European invaders. Jewish liars leave that out. What happened in Hebron was a direct reaction to the European's attempt at taking control of the temple mount in Jerusalem. Jewish liars pretend that these were simply rumors, however, by the summer of '29 100s of Jews went to Jerusalem, they chanted their racist slogans and attacked the indigenous Arab Muslims.

Tzfat in the 1800's? If you are referring to Safed, Palestine, the Druze - not Muslims - again were fighting the European invaders.

It's actually comical how the muhammedans share the same silly slogans and clichés.

 

[louie888]

On a cold Wednesday afternoon, 10 March 1948, a group of eleven men, veteran Zionist leaders together with young military Jewish officers, put the final touches to a plan for the ethnic cleansing of Palestine. That same evening, military orders were dispatched to the units on the ground to prepare for the systematic expulsion of the Palestinians from vast areas of the country.' The orders came with a detailed description of the methods to be employed to forcibly evict the people: large-scale intimidation; laying siege to and bombarding villages and population centres; setting fire to homes, properties and goods; expulsion; demolition; and, finally, planting mines among the rubble to prevent any of the expelled inhabitants from returning. Each unit was issued with its own list of villages and neighbourhoods as the targets of this master plan. Codenamed Plan D (Do/et in Hebrew), this was the fourth and final version of less substantial plans that outlined the fate the Zionists had in store for Palestine and consequently for its native population. The previous three schemes had articulated only obscurely how the Zionist leadership contemplated dealing with the presence of so many Palestinians living in the land the Jewish national movement coveted as its own. This fourth and last blueprint spelled it out clearly and unambiguously: the Palestinians had to go.' In the words of one of the first historians to note the significance of that plan, Simcha Flapan, 'The military campaign against the Arabs, including the "conquest and destruction of the 'rural areas" was set forth in the Hagana's Plan Dalet'.' The aim of the plan was in fact the destruction of both the rural and urban areas of Palestine.

--The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine by Ilan Pappe <--Honest and well respected israeli jew

 

[P F Tinmore]

According to Pappé, the 1948 Palestinian exodus resulted from a planned ethnic cleansing of Palestine that was implemented by the Zionist movement leaders, mainly David Ben-Gurion and the other ten members of his "consultancy group" as referred to by Pappé. The book argues that the ethnic cleansing was put into effect through systematic expulsions of about 500 Arab villages, as well as terrorist attacks executed mainly by members of the Irgun and Haganah troops against the civilian population. Ilan Pappé also refers to Plan Dalet and to the village files as a proof...

The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine - Wikipedia

Repeat your mantra: "I dun' seen it on wiki so it must be true"

Typical propaganda ploy. Discredit the source.

 

[P F Tinmore]

“Since 1948 we have been demanding the return of the refugees to their homes. But we ourselves are the ones who encouraged them to leave.

Standard Israeli bullshit talking point. There are several laws addressing the right to return. None of them give any relevance as to why they left. It doesn't matter.

 

[P F Tinmore]

The goal of the Zionists was to create an exclusive Jewish state. After importing all the Jews they could find, the Jews were still only 1/3 of the population.

The only way to create a solid Jewish majority was to get rid of a lot of non Jews. Facts on the ground prove that is what happened.

I don't see an argument here.

 

[Ria_Longhorn]

On a cold Wednesday afternoon, 10 March 1948, a group of eleven men, veteran Zionist leaders together with young military Jewish officers, put the final touches to a plan for the ethnic cleansing of Palestine. That same evening, military orders were dispatched to the units on the ground to prepare for the systematic expulsion of the Palestinians from vast areas of the country.' The orders came with a detailed description of the methods to be employed to forcibly evict the people: large-scale intimidation; laying siege to and bombarding villages and population centres; setting fire to homes, properties and goods; expulsion; demolition; and, finally, planting mines among the rubble to prevent any of the expelled inhabitants from returning. Each unit was issued with its own list of villages and neighbourhoods as the targets of this master plan. Codenamed Plan D (Do/et in Hebrew), this was the fourth and final version of less substantial plans that outlined the fate the Zionists had in store for Palestine and consequently for its native population. The previous three schemes had articulated only obscurely how the Zionist leadership contemplated dealing with the presence of so many Palestinians living in the land the Jewish national movement coveted as its own. This fourth and last blueprint spelled it out clearly and unambiguously: the Palestinians had to go.' In the words of one of the first historians to note the significance of that plan, Simcha Flapan, 'The military campaign against the Arabs, including the "conquest and destruction of the 'rural areas" was set forth in the Hagana's Plan Dalet'.' The aim of the plan was in fact the destruction of both the rural and urban areas of Palestine.

--The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine by Ilan Pappe <--Honest and well respected israeli jew

Almost every word out of Pappe's mouth is a lie -- including "and" and "the." Here's an interview Pappe gave to journalist, Baudouin Loos, of the Belgian daily, Le Soir on November 29, 1999:

"There is no historian in the world who is objective. I am not as interested in what happened as in how people see what's happened.
I admit that my ideology influences my historical writings...Indeed the struggle is about ideology, not about facts. Who knows what facts are? We try to convince as many people as we can that our interpretation of the facts is the correct one, and we do it because of ideological reasons, not because we are truthseekers."

 

[louie888]

From page 81 of the above book from the well respected israeli jewish historian...

The intelligence unit of the Hagana drafted the blueprint for the coming months. Codenamed Plan D, it contained direct references both to the geographical parameters of the future Jewish state (the seventy-eight per cent coveted by Ben-Gurion) and to the fate of the one million Palestinians living within that space:

These operations can be carried out in the following manner: either by ) destroying villages (by setting fire to them, by blowing them up, and by \ planting mines in their rubble), and especially those population centres that are difficult to control permanently; or by mounting combing J and control operations according to the following guidelines: encirclement of the villages, conducting a search inside them. In case of resistance, the armed forces must be wiped out and the population (.,.. expelled outside the borders of the state.

Villages were to be expelled in their entirety either because they were located in strategic spots or because they were expected to put up some sort of resistance. These orders were issued when it was clear that occupation would always provoke some resistance and that therefore no village would be immune, either because of its location or because it would not allow itself to be occupied. This was the master plan for the expulsion of all the villages in rural Palestine. Similar instructions were given, with much the same wording, for actions directed at Palestine's urban centres.

 

[Hollie]

From page 81 of the above book from the well respected israeli jewish historian...

The intelligence unit of the Hagana drafted the blueprint for the coming months. Codenamed Plan D, it contained direct references both to the geographical parameters of the future Jewish state (the seventy-eight per cent coveted by Ben-Gurion) and to the fate of the one million Palestinians living within that space:

These operations can be carried out in the following manner: either by ) destroying villages (by setting fire to them, by blowing them up, and by \ planting mines in their rubble), and especially those population centres that are difficult to control permanently; or by mounting combing J and control operations according to the following guidelines: encirclement of the villages, conducting a search inside them. In case of resistance, the armed forces must be wiped out and the population (.,.. expelled outside the borders of the state.

Villages were to be expelled in their entirety either because they were located in strategic spots or because they were expected to put up some sort of resistance. These orders were issued when it was clear that occupation would always provoke some resistance and that therefore no village would be immune, either because of its location or because it would not allow itself to be occupied. This was the master plan for the expulsion of all the villages in rural Palestine. Similar instructions were given, with much the same wording, for actions directed at Palestine's urban centres.

Your conspiracy theories are a hoot.

 

[P F Tinmore]

From page 81 of the above book from the well respected israeli jewish historian...

The intelligence unit of the Hagana drafted the blueprint for the coming months. Codenamed Plan D, it contained direct references both to the geographical parameters of the future Jewish state (the seventy-eight per cent coveted by Ben-Gurion) and to the fate of the one million Palestinians living within that space:

These operations can be carried out in the following manner: either by ) destroying villages (by setting fire to them, by blowing them up, and by \ planting mines in their rubble), and especially those population centres that are difficult to control permanently; or by mounting combing J and control operations according to the following guidelines: encirclement of the villages, conducting a search inside them. In case of resistance, the armed forces must be wiped out and the population (.,.. expelled outside the borders of the state.

Villages were to be expelled in their entirety either because they were located in strategic spots or because they were expected to put up some sort of resistance. These orders were issued when it was clear that occupation would always provoke some resistance and that therefore no village would be immune, either because of its location or because it would not allow itself to be occupied. This was the master plan for the expulsion of all the villages in rural Palestine. Similar instructions were given, with much the same wording, for actions directed at Palestine's urban centres.

Your conspiracy theories are a hoot.

So then, how did the Zionists plan to create a Jewish state with a 1/3 minority population?

 

[Hollie]

From page 81 of the above book from the well respected israeli jewish historian...

The intelligence unit of the Hagana drafted the blueprint for the coming months. Codenamed Plan D, it contained direct references both to the geographical parameters of the future Jewish state (the seventy-eight per cent coveted by Ben-Gurion) and to the fate of the one million Palestinians living within that space:

These operations can be carried out in the following manner: either by ) destroying villages (by setting fire to them, by blowing them up, and by \ planting mines in their rubble), and especially those population centres that are difficult to control permanently; or by mounting combing J and control operations according to the following guidelines: encirclement of the villages, conducting a search inside them. In case of resistance, the armed forces must be wiped out and the population (.,.. expelled outside the borders of the state.

Villages were to be expelled in their entirety either because they were located in strategic spots or because they were expected to put up some sort of resistance. These orders were issued when it was clear that occupation would always provoke some resistance and that therefore no village would be immune, either because of its location or because it would not allow itself to be occupied. This was the master plan for the expulsion of all the villages in rural Palestine. Similar instructions were given, with much the same wording, for actions directed at Palestine's urban centres.

Your conspiracy theories are a hoot.

So then, how did the Zionists plan to create a Jewish state with a 1/3 minority population?

Conspiracy squid #2 enters the conspiracy zone.

 

[P F Tinmore]

From page 81 of the above book from the well respected israeli jewish historian...

The intelligence unit of the Hagana drafted the blueprint for the coming months. Codenamed Plan D, it contained direct references both to the geographical parameters of the future Jewish state (the seventy-eight per cent coveted by Ben-Gurion) and to the fate of the one million Palestinians living within that space:

These operations can be carried out in the following manner: either by ) destroying villages (by setting fire to them, by blowing them up, and by \ planting mines in their rubble), and especially those population centres that are difficult to control permanently; or by mounting combing J and control operations according to the following guidelines: encirclement of the villages, conducting a search inside them. In case of resistance, the armed forces must be wiped out and the population (.,.. expelled outside the borders of the state.

Villages were to be expelled in their entirety either because they were located in strategic spots or because they were expected to put up some sort of resistance. These orders were issued when it was clear that occupation would always provoke some resistance and that therefore no village would be immune, either because of its location or because it would not allow itself to be occupied. This was the master plan for the expulsion of all the villages in rural Palestine. Similar instructions were given, with much the same wording, for actions directed at Palestine's urban centres.

Your conspiracy theories are a hoot.

So then, how did the Zionists plan to create a Jewish state with a 1/3 minority population?

Conspiracy squid #2 enters the conspiracy zone.

How did I know you were going to duck that question?

Because you duck every question.

 

[Hollie]

From page 81 of the above book from the well respected israeli jewish historian...

The intelligence unit of the Hagana drafted the blueprint for the coming months. Codenamed Plan D, it contained direct references both to the geographical parameters of the future Jewish state (the seventy-eight per cent coveted by Ben-Gurion) and to the fate of the one million Palestinians living within that space:

These operations can be carried out in the following manner: either by ) destroying villages (by setting fire to them, by blowing them up, and by \ planting mines in their rubble), and especially those population centres that are difficult to control permanently; or by mounting combing J and control operations according to the following guidelines: encirclement of the villages, conducting a search inside them. In case of resistance, the armed forces must be wiped out and the population (.,.. expelled outside the borders of the state.

Villages were to be expelled in their entirety either because they were located in strategic spots or because they were expected to put up some sort of resistance. These orders were issued when it was clear that occupation would always provoke some resistance and that therefore no village would be immune, either because of its location or because it would not allow itself to be occupied. This was the master plan for the expulsion of all the villages in rural Palestine. Similar instructions were given, with much the same wording, for actions directed at Palestine's urban centres.

Your conspiracy theories are a hoot.

So then, how did the Zionists plan to create a Jewish state with a 1/3 minority population?

Conspiracy squid #2 enters the conspiracy zone.

How did I know you were going to duck that question?

Because you duck every question.

How did I know you would retreat from your silly conspiracy theories with your usual cut and paste cartoons?

 

[P F Tinmore]

From page 81 of the above book from the well respected israeli jewish historian...

The intelligence unit of the Hagana drafted the blueprint for the coming months. Codenamed Plan D, it contained direct references both to the geographical parameters of the future Jewish state (the seventy-eight per cent coveted by Ben-Gurion) and to the fate of the one million Palestinians living within that space:

These operations can be carried out in the following manner: either by ) destroying villages (by setting fire to them, by blowing them up, and by \ planting mines in their rubble), and especially those population centres that are difficult to control permanently; or by mounting combing J and control operations according to the following guidelines: encirclement of the villages, conducting a search inside them. In case of resistance, the armed forces must be wiped out and the population (.,.. expelled outside the borders of the state.

Villages were to be expelled in their entirety either because they were located in strategic spots or because they were expected to put up some sort of resistance. These orders were issued when it was clear that occupation would always provoke some resistance and that therefore no village would be immune, either because of its location or because it would not allow itself to be occupied. This was the master plan for the expulsion of all the villages in rural Palestine. Similar instructions were given, with much the same wording, for actions directed at Palestine's urban centres.

Your conspiracy theories are a hoot.

So then, how did the Zionists plan to create a Jewish state with a 1/3 minority population?

Conspiracy squid #2 enters the conspiracy zone.

How did I know you were going to duck that question?

Because you duck every question.

How did I know you would retreat from your silly conspiracy theories with your usual cut and paste cartoons?

Because you dance around every question.

 

[Hollie]

Your conspiracy theories are a hoot.

So then, how did the Zionists plan to create a Jewish state with a 1/3 minority population?

Conspiracy squid #2 enters the conspiracy zone.

How did I know you were going to duck that question?

Because you duck every question.

How did I know you would retreat from your silly conspiracy theories with your usual cut and paste cartoons?

Because you dance around every question.

That's odd. It's your posts that contain the cut and paste cartoons. Don't waste bandwidth when your usual tactic is retreating to cut and paste cartoons when your silly conspiracy theories are ridiculed as pointless.

 

[P F Tinmore]

So then, how did the Zionists plan to create a Jewish state with a 1/3 minority population?

Conspiracy squid #2 enters the conspiracy zone.

How did I know you were going to duck that question?

Because you duck every question.

How did I know you would retreat from your silly conspiracy theories with your usual cut and paste cartoons?

Because you dance around every question.

That's odd. It's your posts that contain the cut and paste cartoons. Don't waste bandwidth when your usual tactic is retreating to cut and paste cartoons when your silly conspiracy theories are ridiculed as pointless.

You are the one who ducked the question.

 

[Hollie]

Conspiracy squid #2 enters the conspiracy zone.

How did I know you were going to duck that question?

Because you duck every question.

How did I know you would retreat from your silly conspiracy theories with your usual cut and paste cartoons?

Because you dance around every question.

That's odd. It's your posts that contain the cut and paste cartoons. Don't waste bandwidth when your usual tactic is retreating to cut and paste cartoons when your silly conspiracy theories are ridiculed as pointless.

You are the one who ducked the question.

Discuss that with the Imam at your madrassah.