Philly execution attempt in the name of Islam

[deltex1]

The guy has a history of hearing voices in his head....I think that might have more to do with his actions than his religion.

Islam saw fit to put the voice of allah in his head.
And they got islamic RESULTS.
They OWN it.

Muhammad heard voices too, look how that turned out.

Think about religion for a moment...
you have a prophet that took orders from incendiary shrubbery
a woman claimed to have been impregnated by an invisible diety
a prophet that turned into a zombie
this thing called the "holy spirit" that infests believers
a prophet that heard voices in a cave purported to be orders from an invisible diety

Yet - people follow....

And if they follow......?

It can get messy. Look at history.

My advice - avoid people who hear voices.

How far back do I have to go...not far for Islam...

 

[dani67]

Lol.

5:32 out of context, and being a Muslim apologist, he probably knows it full well. In fact, 5:32 is the most ripped-out-of-context verse of the Qur'an in the West. Muslims (and even news organizations) often refer to this verse in order to show that Islam teaches murder is wrong and saving lives is the prescribed action for all people.

But this is absolutely not what this verse says. In fact, it says almost the exact opposite: that Muslims can kill those who are their enemies! The only way you can conclude as Nazam has concluded is to ignore the verses that immediately follow 5:32, as well as to ignore parts of the verse itself.

Here is 5:32 in its context, with all words included (emphasis mine):
On that account: We ordained for the Children of Israel that if any one slew a person - unless it be for murder or for spreading mischief in the land - it would be as if he slew the whole people: and if any one saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of the whole people. Then although there came to them Our apostles with clear signs, yet, even after that, many of them continued to commit excesses in the land.
Salient points:

1 - It explicitly states that this was a commandment to the Children of Israel, i.e. the Jews! This is not a commandment to all people, and it certainly should not be misused as if this is Allah's command to Muhammad's people.

2 - Even if this were a command to the Muslims, there's still an escape clause: "unless it be for murder or spreading mischief in the land." If someone is "spreading mischief", he can still be killed. Now let's think for a moment. The would-be Times Square bomber considers Americans to be spreading mischief in Palestine and around the world (practically all Muslims I know think this, even the ones who are American citizens). Accordingly, even if this verse were to apply to someone like Faisal Shahzad, he would still be justified in his slaughter.

As if this weren't obvious enough from the verse itself, the Qur'an further expounds this point in the very next verse. 5:33 says

The punishment of those who wage war against God and His Apostle, and strive with might and main for mischief through the land is: execution, or crucifixion, or the cutting off of hands and feet from opposite sides, or exile from the land: that is their disgrace in this world, and a heavy punishment is theirs in the Hereafter.

This verse is referring to the Muslims, not the Jews anymore, as we can tell in the shift from past tense to present tense. And here, the punishment for mischief is clearly prescribed: execution, crucifixion, mutilation, or at the least, exile. This is the command given to the Muslims. Quite clearly, it does not teach what the Muslims proclaim it teaches; in fact, it teaches almost the exact opposite.

It is undeniably clear that, in order to make Islam seem peaceful, Nazam and many other Muslims rip this verse out of its context, take words out of the very verse itself, changing the entire message for something else. I wonder if they know they are guilty of Surah 5:13. In any case, we should not let ourselves (or anyone who might be interested) be deceived by the popular Muslim interpretation of these verses.

Answering Muslims: Quran 5:32, Nazam, and Neglecting Context

what is your purpose?
most moslem believed that islam is peacefull.islam dont support killing people
and you are trying say to them : islam isnt peacefull.islam support killing christian.come on and kill me?
i have aunt.and she is very emotional..
when paris attack happened.when she watched news.she did cry for it.
are you trying say to her: dont cry.be happy.because islam love killing this people ? please hate me.?
what is your purpose?

Then your clerics and religious leaders must condemn ISIS and all radical islam with fatwa and edict in public...

our shia cleric did it before .we are in war with isis .

 

[Tilly]

The guy has a history of hearing voices in his head....I think that might have more to do with his actions than his religion.

Islam saw fit to put the voice of allah in his head.
And they got islamic RESULTS.
They OWN it.

Muhammad heard voices too, look how that turned out.

Think about religion for a moment...
you have a prophet that took orders from incendiary shrubbery
a woman claimed to have been impregnated by an invisible diety
a prophet that turned into a zombie
this thing called the "holy spirit" that infests believers
a prophet that heard voices in a cave purported to be orders from an invisible diety

Yet - people follow....

And if they follow......?

It can get messy. Look at history.

My advice - avoid people who hear voices.

If only the early Arabs had heeded such advice.

 

[Coyote]

Islam saw fit to put the voice of allah in his head.
And they got islamic RESULTS.
They OWN it.

Muhammad heard voices too, look how that turned out.

Think about religion for a moment...
you have a prophet that took orders from incendiary shrubbery
a woman claimed to have been impregnated by an invisible diety
a prophet that turned into a zombie
this thing called the "holy spirit" that infests believers
a prophet that heard voices in a cave purported to be orders from an invisible diety

Yet - people follow....

And if they follow......?

It can get messy. Look at history.

My advice - avoid people who hear voices.

If only the early Arabs had heeded such advice.

IF ONLY everyone had heeded it. What a mess religion makes.

 

[Tilly]

The guy has a history of hearing voices in his head....I think that might have more to do with his actions than his religion.

Islam saw fit to put the voice of allah in his head.
And they got islamic RESULTS.
They OWN it.

Muhammad heard voices too, look how that turned out.

what mohamad was ........he wasnt sick like jesus.jesus think that he is god and son of god too
he had super paranoid schizophrenia

Mohammed's nurse said he was possessed. Mohammed received the satanic verses. He didn't seem to know the difference between jibril and satan. He peddled an all knowing omnipotent 'God' that changes his mind and abrogates his own revelations, when it suits mo's needs. Lol.

 

[deltex1]

Lol.

5:32 out of context, and being a Muslim apologist, he probably knows it full well. In fact, 5:32 is the most ripped-out-of-context verse of the Qur'an in the West. Muslims (and even news organizations) often refer to this verse in order to show that Islam teaches murder is wrong and saving lives is the prescribed action for all people.

But this is absolutely not what this verse says. In fact, it says almost the exact opposite: that Muslims can kill those who are their enemies! The only way you can conclude as Nazam has concluded is to ignore the verses that immediately follow 5:32, as well as to ignore parts of the verse itself.

Here is 5:32 in its context, with all words included (emphasis mine):
On that account: We ordained for the Children of Israel that if any one slew a person - unless it be for murder or for spreading mischief in the land - it would be as if he slew the whole people: and if any one saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of the whole people. Then although there came to them Our apostles with clear signs, yet, even after that, many of them continued to commit excesses in the land.
Salient points:

1 - It explicitly states that this was a commandment to the Children of Israel, i.e. the Jews! This is not a commandment to all people, and it certainly should not be misused as if this is Allah's command to Muhammad's people.

2 - Even if this were a command to the Muslims, there's still an escape clause: "unless it be for murder or spreading mischief in the land." If someone is "spreading mischief", he can still be killed. Now let's think for a moment. The would-be Times Square bomber considers Americans to be spreading mischief in Palestine and around the world (practically all Muslims I know think this, even the ones who are American citizens). Accordingly, even if this verse were to apply to someone like Faisal Shahzad, he would still be justified in his slaughter.

As if this weren't obvious enough from the verse itself, the Qur'an further expounds this point in the very next verse. 5:33 says

The punishment of those who wage war against God and His Apostle, and strive with might and main for mischief through the land is: execution, or crucifixion, or the cutting off of hands and feet from opposite sides, or exile from the land: that is their disgrace in this world, and a heavy punishment is theirs in the Hereafter.

This verse is referring to the Muslims, not the Jews anymore, as we can tell in the shift from past tense to present tense. And here, the punishment for mischief is clearly prescribed: execution, crucifixion, mutilation, or at the least, exile. This is the command given to the Muslims. Quite clearly, it does not teach what the Muslims proclaim it teaches; in fact, it teaches almost the exact opposite.

It is undeniably clear that, in order to make Islam seem peaceful, Nazam and many other Muslims rip this verse out of its context, take words out of the very verse itself, changing the entire message for something else. I wonder if they know they are guilty of Surah 5:13. In any case, we should not let ourselves (or anyone who might be interested) be deceived by the popular Muslim interpretation of these verses.

Answering Muslims: Quran 5:32, Nazam, and Neglecting Context

what is your purpose?
most moslem believed that islam is peacefull.islam dont support killing people
and you are trying say to them : islam isnt peacefull.islam support killing christian.come on and kill me?
i have aunt.and she is very emotional..
when paris attack happened.when she watched news.she did cry for it.
are you trying say to her: dont cry.be happy.because islam love killing this people ? please hate me.?
what is your purpose?

The problem is we never hear from your aunt. We only hear from the Ayatollah and the revolutionary guard.

 

[American_Jihad]

Police: Suspect says he shot Philly cop 'in the name of Islam'

‘PC delusional’: Philadelphia mayor claims cop shooting ‘had nothing to do with any faith’

We have a few PC delusional here on this thread...

 

[pwjohn]

Why is it that these mean & nasty Arab Muslims think it's ok to kill us over here just because we lay waste to their homeland going on 15 years now !

 

[dani67]

Why is it that these mean & nasty Arab Muslims think it's ok to kill us over here just because we lay waste to their homeland going on 15 years now !

he was arab sunni wahabi again?

 

[Seawytch]

Err...ahhhh

What's this?

The Quran's Verses of Violence

Meh...

What the Quran-bashers Don’t Want You to Know About the Bible

What does meh mean...you shit yourself?

Sorry, but the pants shitters are the "ban all Mooooooslims" morons.

Meh means that the monotheistic Abrahamic religions are all violent. Its cultural in the followers of the religion.

 

[deltex1]

Err...ahhhh

What's this?

The Quran's Verses of Violence

Meh...

What the Quran-bashers Don’t Want You to Know About the Bible

What does meh mean...you shit yourself?

Sorry, but the pants shitters are the "ban all Mooooooslims" morons.

Meh means that the monotheistic Abrahamic religions are all violent. Its cultural in the followers of the religion.

Meh then means pardon me while i shit in my pants and exaggerate a lie. GFY.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Muslims sure do radicalize easy. Why is that?

Hundreds of years of oppression and exploitation by the West.

 

[deltex1]

Muslims sure do radicalize easy. Why is that?

Hundreds of years of oppression and exploitation by the West.

And climate change...

 

[2aguy]

Yeah…don't have time to find the link…the cop was ambushed and returned fire wounding the muslim terrorist.

See…..this is why the smarter mass shooters target gun free zones…when the victim can shoot back…they actually shoot back.

If a christian tries to kill a cop and claims they are a white supremist, are all christians to blame?

He wouldn't be a christian since there is no place where you can point to where Jesus said to murder your enemies....

The koran.....tells muslims to kill a lot of people......

 

[American_Jihad]

Err...ahhhh

What's this?

The Quran's Verses of Violence

Meh...

What the Quran-bashers Don’t Want You to Know About the Bible

What does meh mean...you shit yourself?

Sorry, but the pants shitters are the "ban all Mooooooslims" morons.

Meh means that the monotheistic Abrahamic religions are all violent. Its cultural in the followers of the religion.

Funny, It means

...

 

[bodecea]

Yeah…don't have time to find the link…the cop was ambushed and returned fire wounding the muslim terrorist.

See…..this is why the smarter mass shooters target gun free zones…when the victim can shoot back…they actually shoot back.

If a christian tries to kill a cop and claims they are a white supremist, are all christians to blame?

He wouldn't be a christian since there is no place where you can point to where Jesus said to murder your enemies....

The koran.....tells muslims to kill a lot of people......

Ok...so we will be going with that excuse. Just checking.

 

[DigitalDrifter]

Fred Phelps protests funerals in the name of Christianity.

Does he represent Christianity?

And the Crusades, don't forget the Crusades.

 

[2aguy]

Yeah…don't have time to find the link…the cop was ambushed and returned fire wounding the muslim terrorist.

See…..this is why the smarter mass shooters target gun free zones…when the victim can shoot back…they actually shoot back.

If a christian tries to kill a cop and claims they are a white supremist, are all christians to blame?

He wouldn't be a christian since there is no place where you can point to where Jesus said to murder your enemies....

The koran.....tells muslims to kill a lot of people......

Ok...so we will be going with that excuse. Just checking.

Not an excuse, the truth....where exactly did Jesus say...."Amen I say to you...go forth and find the infidel if they hide behind trees or rocks and kill them.....for that is my will...Amen I say to you....."

Where did he preach murder exactly....


and this "if a christian murders someone...." crap....

If you call yourself a vegetarian but eat meat.....guess what...you aren't a vegetarian...are you?

 

[2aguy]

Fred Phelps protests funerals in the name of Christianity.

Does he represent Christianity?

And the Crusades, don't forget the Crusades.

Fred Phelps is a democrat who supported Al Gore........

And the Crusades were defensive wars against muslim aggression......try reading a little history.

 

[DigitalDrifter]

Yeah…don't have time to find the link…the cop was ambushed and returned fire wounding the muslim terrorist.

See…..this is why the smarter mass shooters target gun free zones…when the victim can shoot back…they actually shoot back.

If a christian tries to kill a cop and claims they are a white supremist, are all christians to blame?

And the Crusades, please mention the Crusades.