Bull Ring @Penelope: States requiring Car insurance vs. Federal mandates on health insurance

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  1. Penelope
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    Read about Taiwan healthcare, like our ACA. Obama didn't pull this out in night of smoking pot, he investigated what other countries are doing about healthcare. We need Medicare for all. Call it universal healthcare, what ever you want. The Pubs will not have Obama be tied to it. Their plan will be no plan, you will be on your own, mandatory funding of HSA and they will be mandatory. There was a reason for SS and Medicare, and if anything , there is a greater need today, since the capitalist are now in charge and could care less about the middle income or poor.
     
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    Do you have insurance, and have you been to the site, or are you just spouting the Pub talking points?
     
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    Obamacare has nothing to do with anything except being a step toward single payer!

    And what works somewhere else usually doe snot work in the US..

    The US has the most diverse population of any nation, a one size fits all will never work in the US..

    That is why you far left drones fail with each and every post!
     
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    Yes you prove that you are a far left drone!

    The link and all other news outlets prove that Obamacare is a failure and is far more expensive than how it was sold to the public..

    Yes I know you will ignore reality in favor of your far left religious dogma!
     
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    Trying pin a lib down would be the same a trying to catch a fart and paint it green.
     
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    No it proves nothing, insurance go up, and in those states where the Pubs fought it tooth and nail it has taken the biggest hit. Pubs actually make the country go its knees when in office, why because Pubs do not want to pay taxes. This discussion is over, because I'm a fan of the ACA and it would of been great if not for the Pubs.
     
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    Sorry Penelope
    A. Taiwan is the equivalent of ONE STATE, where Texas alone is 19 times bigger in size.
    You are talking about a fairly homogeneous STATE.

    So YES if CA or TX agrees on a plan, they can implement this with consent of taxpaying citizens.
    But this isn't the same as taking a plan that Texas agrees to and imposing it on the other 49 states.

    B. NOTE also that CA tends to be liberal/progressive and TX conservative.
    So you would be imposing one state religion or belief on a state of a different religion or belief.

    Wouldn't it be ideal to go by PARTY. And allow
    PARTY members and reps PER STATE to represent their platform
    both statewide and national
    so they CAN have a HOMOGENEOUS plan they ALL AGREE Represents their BELIEFS.

    That would mean even if Texas is split between
    liberal Democrats who want prochoice and right to health care
    vs.
    conservative Republicans who want free market and right to life
    BOTH groups could support their OWN plans without interference or imposition by the other!
    Wow, what a concept, right? to let people have CHOICE of their own beliefs and programs?

    And this CAN be coordinated by state and also nationally, "similar" to federal govt in reaching across states, but protecting given freedom of citizens and groups to decide their own terms and not be under one policy only.

    Why not? Don't you think that is better than trying to force one way or the other on EVERYONE???
     
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    Dear Penelope
    You leave out the reason GOP want to reduce taxes ON SOCIAL PROGRAMS
    is to maximize investing in programs directly instead of depending on govt.

    The GOP has no problem paying for military and defense.
    So let them pay for that,
    and let Democrats pay for soft social programs and welfare.
    And both will be happy not to pay for the other group's priorities!
     
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    Yes it does it proves that the recent rise is attributed to the law knows as Obamacare!

    Only a far left drone would not see that!

    But once again you hopped on your debunked far left religious narrative and lost again!
     
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    Thank you Kosh
    Penelope that's two votes for the "US is too diverse"
    to compare to "one plan that works for Taiwan" (which again is 1/20 the size of Texas alone)

    However, if all cities and states like Taiwan agre e on a health plan,
    WHY NOT allow these LIKEMINDED city states or parties to COLLECTIVELY
    combine resources and GET INSURANCE DISCOUNTS FOR THEIR MEMBERS!

    You are on the right track. Penelope
    This can be done by FREE CHOICE and doesn't have to be forced by federal law on all citizens.

    With 3 million more mostly in CA and NY voting for Clinton and progressive policies,
    isn't that enough between CA, NY and Democrats in TX to pay for a collective policy
    that is OPTIONAL to buy into and sustain??? Why can't Soros and the Clinton Foundation
    set this up and manage it for THOSE MEMBERS WHO AGREE.
    if Greens got Soros help to pay 5-7 million for recounts, why not set up health care coops directly?
    Wouldn't the Gates Foundation help? What other contributors would invest in making this work?

    Why not take the federal exchange program, make it optional so Democrats who want to save it can pay back the federal money spent on it that other taxpayers reject, then expand on it to cover ENROLLMENT of all prison and immigrant populations in order to manage ALL social benefits, education and job training, and health service costs for the populations that WANT to be represented and served through govt this way. Let Democrats take that over, and let GOP handle military, vets and VA reform they prefer to pay for and correct through their taxes and proposals.
     
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