Patriotic Education Despised By Elites

[Samson]

irrelevant nonsense

Thank U 4 your opinion .......

even though 13 years have elapsed,
it makes the as yet unanswered questions no less important.
When are we going to get ANSWERS? & yes it matters seriously!

 

[Dot Com]

What is with the fucking numbering? Do you suffer from some kind of OCD?

Anyway, we live in a country that was founded on the genocide of the people who lived here first, followed by the exploitation of slaves and immigrant labor, and for a brief moment, you had attempts to correct these injustices.

But you really can't address the issues of racism, inequality, injustice without first understanding WHY they came to be.

good post & good luck having a conversation w/ OP Her crafting dictionary entries as responses is zany huh?

 

[initforme]

Explain what is wrong with living in this country peacefully and following the laws without being a cheerleader for it. Its a place to live. It worked well for me and my business. What is the legitimate patriotism Guise?

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

"Patriotic Education Despised By Elites"

Incorrect.

Errant, jingoistic education agendas advocated mostly by the reactionary right are appropriately denounced by education professionals.

Reactionary conservatives seeking to whitewash, conceal, gloss over, or otherwise misrepresent events in American history perceived by them to be 'embarrassing' or 'reflecting poorly' on America is anathema to the fundamental tenets of professional pedagogy and the doctrine of objective historical research.

We learn best from the truth and facts, no matter how painful or difficult the truth and facts may be.

Conservatives need to keep their failed political dogma out of the classroom.

 

[Toro]

All nations need their myths.

And all nations try to whitewash the bad things in their history.

It's human nature. People do it all the time. People rationalize away the bad things they've done, and minimize the consequences of their negative actions, the same things they recognize in others and (rightfully) criticize.

Nations do the same thing.

Americans are no different. Americans in the United States often do not see the harm that their nation causes others.

That doesn't mean Americans are bad. It just means Americans are human and act like everyone else.

America is a great nation, possibly the greatest nation ever. But that doesn't mean we cheerlead everything we do, or refuse to recognize that sometimes we've done things we shouldn't have.

Likewise, recognizing the negative consequences of our actions doesn't obviate all the great things this nation has done.

 

[GreenBean]

What is with the fucking numbering? Do you suffer from some kind of OCD?

Anyway, we live in a country that was founded on the genocide of the people who lived here first, followed by the exploitation of slaves and immigrant labor, and for a brief moment, you had attempts to correct these injustices.

But you really can't address the issues of racism, inequality, injustice without first understanding WHY they came to be.

Anyway, we live in a country that was founded on the genocide of the people who lived here first,

Name any country founded before the 20th Century that wasn't founded on conquest of the original inhabitants

followed by the exploitation of slaves,

Negro slavery did not originate with Europeans or Whites, but rather was a product of African tribal trade, inter tribal warfare, and Moslem commerce. Slaves arriving in North America were in most instances acquired from Africans and Arabs by Europeans and Americans. The origins of most slaves was as currency for goods purchased by their own kings and chiefs.

Not of that makes it morally right... however Historians judge matters based on the era in which they arose. In the era from whencve this phase of Human Slavery arose America was in step with the rest of the World. Only the South Lagged behind and it took a major War to finally eradicate it.

exploitation ..... and immigrant labor

Immigrants who came here of their own free will and received a better wage they could ever find from whence they came


Joe - it's always a pleasure correcting your asinine statements - the only thing is that no matter how many times you get your nose rubbed in your own poop - you keep coming back for more - what do you suffer from OCD or something, or are you just a Masochist ?

 

[Esmeralda]

What is with the fucking numbering? Do you suffer from some kind of OCD?

Anyway, we live in a country that was founded on the genocide of the people who lived here first, followed by the exploitation of slaves and immigrant labor, and for a brief moment, you had attempts to correct these injustices.

But you really can't address the issues of racism, inequality, injustice without first understanding WHY they came to be.

Once again you provide insight into a sick, indoctrinated mind....exactly what the Left's version of education produces.


Too bad you aren't wise enough to do your own research, and too weak to resist the propaganda.


"Anyway, we live in a country that was founded on the genocide....blah blah blah..."



There was no genocide.

What you present is a mind that doesn't want education to be about teaching students to think but to simply indoctrinate them with patriotic propaganda. No questioning, no broad perspective on reality: just believe patriotic propaganda without question.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

What is with the fucking numbering? Do you suffer from some kind of OCD?

Anyway, we live in a country that was founded on the genocide of the people who lived here first, followed by the exploitation of slaves and immigrant labor, and for a brief moment, you had attempts to correct these injustices.

But you really can't address the issues of racism, inequality, injustice without first understanding WHY they came to be.

Once again you provide insight into a sick, indoctrinated mind....exactly what the Left's version of education produces.


Too bad you aren't wise enough to do your own research, and too weak to resist the propaganda.


"Anyway, we live in a country that was founded on the genocide....blah blah blah..."



There was no genocide.

What you present is a mind that doesn't want education to be about teaching students to think but to simply indoctrinate them with patriotic propaganda. No questioning, no broad perspective on reality: just believe patriotic propaganda without question.

Correct.

And note that the indoctrination is comprehensive, where those who disagree with a rightist education agenda are labeled as being 'unAmerican' or 'not patriotic.'

Note also the irony, where most conservatives have failed to learn from history with regard to indoctrination, seeking to compel citizens to just believe patriotic propaganda without question.

 

[Samson]

See
Politicalchic Gets Owned

 

[Dot Com]

"Patriotic Education Despised By Elites"

Incorrect.

Errant, jingoistic education agendas advocated mostly by the reactionary right are appropriately denounced by education professionals.

Reactionary conservatives seeking to whitewash, conceal, gloss over, or otherwise misrepresent events in American history perceived by them to be 'embarrassing' or 'reflecting poorly' on America is anathema to the fundamental tenets of professional pedagogy and the doctrine of objective historical research.

We learn best from the truth and facts, no matter how painful or difficult the truth and facts may be.

Conservatives need to keep their failed political dogma out of the classroom.

exactly!!!

 

[JakeStarkey]

What is with the fucking numbering? Do you suffer from some kind of OCD?

Anyway, we live in a country that was founded on the genocide of the people who lived here first, followed by the exploitation of slaves and immigrant labor, and for a brief moment, you had attempts to correct these injustices.

But you really can't address the issues of racism, inequality, injustice without first understanding WHY they came to be.

Once again you provide insight into a sick, indoctrinated mind....exactly what the Left's version of education produces.

Too bad you aren't wise enough to do your own research, and too weak to resist the propaganda.

"Anyway, we live in a country that was founded on the genocide....blah blah blah..."

There was no genocide.

Um, actually, there was. When you reduce a population from hundreds of millions to only a few million, that's called "Genocide".

And sorry, that's what I learned in CATHOLIC schools. Except they kind of soft-sold how their church was hip deep involved in it, or how the wonderful idea of shipping black folks to America to replace the Indians they were killing off came from a churchman,

Bartolom de las Casas - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Arriving as one of the first European settlers in the Americas, he participated in, and was eventually compelled to oppose, the atrocities committed against the Native Americans by the Spanish colonists. In 1515, he reformed his views, gave up his Indian slaves and encomienda, and advocated, before King Charles V, Holy Roman Emperor, on behalf of rights for the natives. In his early writings, he advocated the use of African slaves instead of Natives in the West-Indian colonies; consequently, criticisms have been leveled at him as being partly responsible for the beginning of the Transatlantic slave trade. Later in life, he retracted those early views as he came to see all forms of slavery as equally wrong.

And if I prove that there was no such "genocide," will you admit that you are clueless about history, and are no more than an America-hating oaf?

Use commonly accepted terms and definitions and examples, and go for it.

 

[JakeStarkey]

2. Genocide means deliberate and systematic. As described by the UN Convention, Article II, it involves “ a series of brutal acts committed with intent to destroy, …a national, ethnical, racial, or religious group as such.”

That is exactly what happened. The destruction of native peoples, habitats, and ways of life were systematic behaviors by the conquering powers to make the indigenous peoples submit to European ways or die.

You painfully and wrongfully extrapolate Ward Churchill's small pox incident into a refutation of 400 years of narrative that is a witness to the genocide of native peoples in the Americas.

 

[Samson]

2. Genocide means deliberate and systematic. As described by the UN Convention, Article II, it involves “ a series of brutal acts committed with intent to destroy, …a national, ethnical, racial, or religious group as such.”

That is exactly what happened. The destruction of native peoples, habitats, and ways of life were systematic behaviors by the conquering powers to make the indigenous peoples submit to European ways or die.

You painfully and wrongfully extrapolate Ward Churchill's small pox incident into a refutation of 400 years of narrative that is a witness to the genocide of native peoples in the Americas.

Sand Creek....is not too far from us.....reminds me I need to go out there

 

[Luddly Neddite]

What is with the fucking numbering? Do you suffer from some kind of OCD?

Anyway, we live in a country that was founded on the genocide of the people who lived here first, followed by the exploitation of slaves and immigrant labor, and for a brief moment, you had attempts to correct these injustices.

But you really can't address the issues of racism, inequality, injustice without first understanding WHY they came to be.

And the numbering make any sense.

I think its a homeschooling thing.

 

[JoeB131]

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Joe - it's always a pleasure correcting your asinine statements - the only thing is that no matter how many times you get your nose rubbed in your own poop - you keep coming back for more - what do you suffer from OCD or something, or are you just a Masochist ?

You kn ow what, Uncle Tom, I was going to attempt to answer your apologetics for genocide and racism, but that would make you look even more pathetic.

 

[LoneLaugher]

When the 60s radicals realized that they couldn't burn down the university,....they took it over.

Today, universities turn behave as though they were akin to Christian monasteries, the difference being that monasteries admitted that their intention was to Christians.
The universities aim to turn out Liberal automatons committed to ending the America that the Founders offered to the world.

Woodrow Wilson’s speech as president of Princeton:
“Our problem is not merely to help students to adjust to themselves to world life…[but] to make them as unlike their fathers as we can.”
Michael McGerr, “A Fierce Discontent: The Rise and Fall of the Progressive Movement in America, 1870-1920,” p. 111




1.Earlier views of American education:
"....idea of education, therefore, was moral and civic, not merely instrumental. ... if a state or community is to be good, its citizens must be good, so they aimed at an education that would produce virtuous people and good citizens.

a. It is striking to notice the similarity between Jefferson's ideas and those of a leader of the last great democracy prior to Jefferson's fledgling democracy. In 431 B.C., Pericles of Athens described the character of the great democratic society he wished for his community: A city "governed by the many, not the few," where in the "matter of public honors each man is preferred not on the basis of his class but of his good reputation and merit. No one, moreover, if he has it in him to do some good for the city, is barred because of poverty or humble origins."


2. ... two thousand years later, from the 16th through the 18th centuries, a different group of philosophers in Italy, England and France introduced a powerful new idea. Their world was dominated by ambitious princes and kings who were rapidly asserting ever greater authority over the lives of their people and trampling on the traditional expectations of individuals and communities.
In the philosophers' view, every human being was naturally endowed with three essential rights: to defend his life, liberty and lawfully acquired property.


3. .... values [of honor and democratic merit, of civic participation and self-sacrifice for community] have not disappeared, but in our own time they have been severely challenged. With the shock of the 9/11 terror attacks, most Americans reacted by clearly and powerfully supporting their government's determination to use military force to stop such attacks and to prevent future ones. Most Americans also expressed a new unity, an explicit patriotism and love of their country not seen among us for a very long time.





4. That is not what we saw and heard from the faculties on most elite campuses in the country, and certainly not from the overwhelming majority of people designated as "intellectuals" who spoke up in public. They offered any and all explanations, so long as they indicated that the attackers were really victims, that the fault really rested with the United States.

5. Yet many members of the intelligentsia decried the outburst of patriotism that greeted the new assault on America. The critics were exemplified by author Katha Pollitt, who wrote in the Oct. 1, 2001, edition of the Nation about her daughter wanting to fly the American flag outside their window after 9/11. "Definitely not," Ms. Pollitt replied. "The flag stands for jingoism and vengeance and war."



a. Such ideas still have a wide currency, reflecting a serious flaw in American education that should especially concern those of us who take some part in it. The encouragement of patriotism is no longer a part of our public educational system, and the cost of that omission has made itself felt. This would have alarmed and dismayed the founders of our country."
http://online.wsj.com/articles/donald-kagan-democracy-requires-a-patriotic-education-1411770193

American Power Democracy Requires a Patriotic Education

Please take a look at your original content at the beginning of your post. It is garbled nonsense. With writing skills like that, it isn't hard to understand why you rely on the work of others for the meat in your posts.

 

[GreenBean]

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Joe - it's always a pleasure correcting your asinine statements - the only thing is that no matter how many times you get your nose rubbed in your own poop - you keep coming back for more - what do you suffer from OCD or something, or are you just a Masochist ?

You kn ow what, Uncle Tom, I was going to attempt to answer your apologetics for genocide and racism, but that would make you look even more pathetic.

You've tried that before Joe - is that why you got your tail between you legs and your head down. Go ahead give it a shot loser - lets see how much you can deflect , evade and twist the facts -

 

[JoeB131]

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You've tried that before Joe - is that why you got your tail between you legs and your head down. Go ahead give it a shot loser - lets see how much you can deflect , evade and twist the facts -

No, guy, the problem is you've descended to a level of batshit crazy that can't be reasoned with.

 

[GreenBean]

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You've tried that before Joe - is that why you got your tail between you legs and your head down. Go ahead give it a shot loser - lets see how much you can deflect , evade and twist the facts -

No, guy, the problem is you've descended to a level of batshit crazy that can't be reasoned with.

I was wrong equating you to a dog with his tail between his legs , I think you're more like a cat ... a real PUSSY ... meow

JoeB...Anyway, we live in a country that was founded on the genocide of the people who lived here first,

Name any country founded before the 20th Century that wasn't founded on conquest of the original inhabitants

JoeBfollowed by the exploitation of slaves,

Negro slavery did not originate with Europeans or Whites, but rather was a product of African tribal trade, inter tribal warfare, and Moslem commerce. Slaves arriving in North America were in most instances acquired from Africans and Arabs by Europeans and Americans. The origins of most slaves was as currency for goods purchased by their own kings and chiefs.

Not of that makes it morally right... however Historians judge matters based on the era in which they arose. In the era from whencve this phase of Human Slavery arose America was in step with the rest of the World. Only the South Lagged behind and it took a major War to finally eradicate it.

JoeBexploitation ..... and immigrant labor

Immigrants who came here of their own free will and received a better wage they could ever find from whence they came


Joe - it's always a pleasure correcting your asinine statements - the only thing is that no matter how many times you get your nose rubbed in your own poop - you keep coming back for more - what do you suffer from OCD or something, or are you just a Masochist ?

 

[JoeB131]

are you just some kind of high-grade retard.


Everyone ignored your statement because they were so completely retarded that we just didn't want to embarrass you.