Patriotic Americans vs. Israel

[CMike]

I would be more than happy for us not to give money to Egypt. They are rarely on our side.

We also give money not only to the palestinians but even to the Hamas terrorist government in Gaza.

 

[RoccoR]

CMike, et al,

Actually this thought, from "CMIike," is the basis for some people (outside the Departments of Defense and State) to believe that the time has come for the US to rethink its foreign policies and diplomacy strategies that result in the military aid; and to a lesser extent non-military aid.

I would be more than happy for us not to give money to Egypt. They are rarely on our side.

We also give money not only to the Palestinians but even to the Hamas terrorist government in Gaza.

(COMMENT)

Yes, this common belief does send mixed signals.

v/r
R

 

[pbel]

Can you refute any of the statements I made in the OP?

Zionist supremacists believe that the truth can be "hateful".
If they hear the truth, they call it "hate speech".

That phenomenon is called "projection", they project their own hate for truth on the truth-tellers.

Sayit and Phoney expound this projection well...Its as if a Mass Psychosis afflicts many religious and right wing Israelis and ZioNuts...

Their hate sustains them.

 

[RoccoR]

Thunderbird, et al,

OK, it is true that Israel a big recipient of Aid from the US (so what).

Israel is the largest cumulative recipient of U.S. foreign assistance since World War II. From 1976-2004, Israel was the largest annual recipient of U.S. foreign assistance, having been supplanted by Iraq. Since 1985, the United States has provided nearly $3 billion in grants annually to Israel.

Almost all U.S. bilateral aid to Israel is in the form of military assistance. In the past, Israel also had received significant economic assistance. Strong congressional support for Israel has resulted in Israel’s receiving benefits not available to other countries. For example, Israel can use some U.S. military assistance both for research and development in the United States and for military purchases from Israeli manufacturers. SOURCE: CRS Report RL33476​

Since 1948, the aid given to Israel evolved from helping preserve the original intent of a Jewish Nation Home, to much more. In recent decades, probably the 1970's onward, the purpose of the aid has further a strong bilateral arrangement which reflects are shared values in government and culture; not to forget the great concern that both countries hold in the matter of strategic goals in the Middle East (concern over Iran, Syria, Islamic extremism).

No I'm not but the OP is another "Hate Israel Because" story and I don't buy that crap.

Can you refute any of the statements I made in the OP?

American taxpayers are forced to pay billions of dollars to Israel. America has suffered through oil embargoes because of Israel. America has fought wars for Israel. And what has Israel done for the U.S.? In gratitude the Israelis have conducted damaging spy operations against the U.S. and sold advanced weapons to our most dangerous adversaries.

American interests are not served by propping up apartheid Israel. Our politicians are bribed to betray our country and put Israel first. American subservience to Israel creates hatred for America throughout the Muslim world, terrorism, instability, and aversion to American ideals and reform.

(COMMENT)

There have been at times, when the two counties have experienced some political and diplomatic differences discord. But of the many security and defense agreements the US has entered into since the end of WWII, only the Five-Eyes (the US + Canada, UK, Australia, New Zealand) has proven as durable, successful and reliable as the one between Israel and the US.

Congressional Research Report 10 JUNE 2015 US Aid to Israel
Though aid to Israel has detractors as well as supporters, overall U.S. public support for Israel remains strong. According to a February 2015 Gallup poll that measured Americans’ sympathies toward the disputants in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, 62% said their sympathies lie with the Israelis and 16% said their sympathies lie with the Palestinians. According to a February 2015 Pew Research Center poll, “48% of respondents say that the level of U.S. support for Israel is about right; 29% say the U.S. is not supportive enough of Israel, while 18% say it is too supportive.” Neither of these surveys explicitly examined public opinion regarding U.S. aid to Israel.
SOURCE: CRS Report RL33222 & CRS Report RL33476, Israel: Background and U.S. Relations ​

Over the last 7+ decades, each of the successor Presidents (and Administrations), and Congressional Lawmakers have "considered Israel to be a reliable partner in the region, and U.S. aid packages for Israel have reflected this sentiment."

Israel is not an "Apartheid" country. It doesn't even come close to the definition by the International Criminal Court. It is merely a anti-Israeli Humanitarian claim to put forward an inflammatory language. Who betrayed "America" and put Israel first." Again, this is inflammatory language designed to incite a hostile image of Israel in the minds unfamiliar with the Jihadist and Fedayeen activity in the Region and the International Threat they have posed since the 1972 Munich Olympic Games (Palestinian attackers—Afif, Nazzal, Chic Thaa, Hamid and Jamal—killed during the Fürstenfeldbruck gun battle were delivered to Libya, where they received heroes' funerals and were buried with full military honors). {Rule 2 Article 51(2) of Additional Protocol I prohibits Acts or threats of violence the primary purpose of which is to spread terror among the civilian population are prohibited.}

Let's put this in perspective before we get all excited. Yes, annually we will give Israel about $3B. The Program cost for the F-22 Raptor is $66.7 billion. It is much better to insure that Israel has a Qualitative Military Advantage in equipment and technology, then to give the advantage in numbers by the Arab Countries still hostile; unable to make peace.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[pbel]

Thunderbird, et al,

OK, it is true that Israel a big recipient of Aid from the US (so what).

Israel is the largest cumulative recipient of U.S. foreign assistance since World War II. From 1976-2004, Israel was the largest annual recipient of U.S. foreign assistance, having been supplanted by Iraq. Since 1985, the United States has provided nearly $3 billion in grants annually to Israel.

Almost all U.S. bilateral aid to Israel is in the form of military assistance. In the past, Israel also had received significant economic assistance. Strong congressional support for Israel has resulted in Israel’s receiving benefits not available to other countries. For example, Israel can use some U.S. military assistance both for research and development in the United States and for military purchases from Israeli manufacturers. SOURCE: CRS Report RL33476​

Since 1948, the aid given to Israel evolved from helping preserve the original intent of a Jewish Nation Home, to much more. In recent decades, probably the 1970's onward, the purpose of the aid has further a strong bilateral arrangement which reflects are shared values in government and culture; not to forget the great concern that both countries hold in the matter of strategic goals in the Middle East (concern over Iran, Syria, Islamic extremism).

No I'm not but the OP is another "Hate Israel Because" story and I don't buy that crap.

Can you refute any of the statements I made in the OP?

American taxpayers are forced to pay billions of dollars to Israel. America has suffered through oil embargoes because of Israel. America has fought wars for Israel. And what has Israel done for the U.S.? In gratitude the Israelis have conducted damaging spy operations against the U.S. and sold advanced weapons to our most dangerous adversaries.

American interests are not served by propping up apartheid Israel. Our politicians are bribed to betray our country and put Israel first. American subservience to Israel creates hatred for America throughout the Muslim world, terrorism, instability, and aversion to American ideals and reform.

(COMMENT)

There have been at times, when the two counties have experienced some political and diplomatic differences discord. But of the many security and defense agreements the US has entered into since the end of WWII, only the Five-Eyes (the US + Canada, UK, Australia, New Zealand) has proven as durable, successful and reliable as the one between Israel and the US.

Congressional Research Report 10 JUNE 2015 US Aid to Israel
Though aid to Israel has detractors as well as supporters, overall U.S. public support for Israel remains strong. According to a February 2015 Gallup poll that measured Americans’ sympathies toward the disputants in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, 62% said their sympathies lie with the Israelis and 16% said their sympathies lie with the Palestinians. According to a February 2015 Pew Research Center poll, “48% of respondents say that the level of U.S. support for Israel is about right; 29% say the U.S. is not supportive enough of Israel, while 18% say it is too supportive.” Neither of these surveys explicitly examined public opinion regarding U.S. aid to Israel.
SOURCE: CRS Report RL33222 & CRS Report RL33476, Israel: Background and U.S. Relations ​

Over the last 7+ decades, each of the successor Presidents (and Administrations), and Congressional Lawmakers have "considered Israel to be a reliable partner in the region, and U.S. aid packages for Israel have reflected this sentiment."

Israel is not an "Apartheid" country. It doesn't even come close to the definition by the International Criminal Court. It is merely a anti-Israeli Humanitarian claim to put forward an inflammatory language. Who betrayed "America" and put Israel first." Again, this is inflammatory language designed to incite a hostile image of Israel in the minds unfamiliar with the Jihadist and Fedayeen activity in the Region and the International Threat they have posed since the 1972 Munich Olympic Games (Palestinian attackers—Afif, Nazzal, Chic Thaa, Hamid and Jamal—killed during the Fürstenfeldbruck gun battle were delivered to Libya, where they received heroes' funerals and were buried with full military honors). {Rule 2 Article 51(2) of Additional Protocol I prohibits Acts or threats of violence the primary purpose of which is to spread terror among the civilian population are prohibited.}

Let's put this in perspective before we get all excited. Yes, annually we will give Israel about $3B. The Program cost for the F-22 Raptor is $66.7 billion. It is much better to insure that Israel has a Qualitative Military Advantage in equipment and technology, then to give the advantage in numbers by the Arab Countries still hostile; unable to make peace.

Most Respectfully,
R

AIPAC controls our government through a cabalistic campaign donations against American Interests...

 

[Hossfly]

Thunderbird, et al,

OK, it is true that Israel a big recipient of Aid from the US (so what).

Israel is the largest cumulative recipient of U.S. foreign assistance since World War II. From 1976-2004, Israel was the largest annual recipient of U.S. foreign assistance, having been supplanted by Iraq. Since 1985, the United States has provided nearly $3 billion in grants annually to Israel.

Almost all U.S. bilateral aid to Israel is in the form of military assistance. In the past, Israel also had received significant economic assistance. Strong congressional support for Israel has resulted in Israel’s receiving benefits not available to other countries. For example, Israel can use some U.S. military assistance both for research and development in the United States and for military purchases from Israeli manufacturers. SOURCE: CRS Report RL33476​

Since 1948, the aid given to Israel evolved from helping preserve the original intent of a Jewish Nation Home, to much more. In recent decades, probably the 1970's onward, the purpose of the aid has further a strong bilateral arrangement which reflects are shared values in government and culture; not to forget the great concern that both countries hold in the matter of strategic goals in the Middle East (concern over Iran, Syria, Islamic extremism).

No I'm not but the OP is another "Hate Israel Because" story and I don't buy that crap.

Can you refute any of the statements I made in the OP?

American taxpayers are forced to pay billions of dollars to Israel. America has suffered through oil embargoes because of Israel. America has fought wars for Israel. And what has Israel done for the U.S.? In gratitude the Israelis have conducted damaging spy operations against the U.S. and sold advanced weapons to our most dangerous adversaries.

American interests are not served by propping up apartheid Israel. Our politicians are bribed to betray our country and put Israel first. American subservience to Israel creates hatred for America throughout the Muslim world, terrorism, instability, and aversion to American ideals and reform.

(COMMENT)

There have been at times, when the two counties have experienced some political and diplomatic differences discord. But of the many security and defense agreements the US has entered into since the end of WWII, only the Five-Eyes (the US + Canada, UK, Australia, New Zealand) has proven as durable, successful and reliable as the one between Israel and the US.

Congressional Research Report 10 JUNE 2015 US Aid to Israel
Though aid to Israel has detractors as well as supporters, overall U.S. public support for Israel remains strong. According to a February 2015 Gallup poll that measured Americans’ sympathies toward the disputants in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, 62% said their sympathies lie with the Israelis and 16% said their sympathies lie with the Palestinians. According to a February 2015 Pew Research Center poll, “48% of respondents say that the level of U.S. support for Israel is about right; 29% say the U.S. is not supportive enough of Israel, while 18% say it is too supportive.” Neither of these surveys explicitly examined public opinion regarding U.S. aid to Israel.
SOURCE: CRS Report RL33222 & CRS Report RL33476, Israel: Background and U.S. Relations ​

Over the last 7+ decades, each of the successor Presidents (and Administrations), and Congressional Lawmakers have "considered Israel to be a reliable partner in the region, and U.S. aid packages for Israel have reflected this sentiment."

Israel is not an "Apartheid" country. It doesn't even come close to the definition by the International Criminal Court. It is merely a anti-Israeli Humanitarian claim to put forward an inflammatory language. Who betrayed "America" and put Israel first." Again, this is inflammatory language designed to incite a hostile image of Israel in the minds unfamiliar with the Jihadist and Fedayeen activity in the Region and the International Threat they have posed since the 1972 Munich Olympic Games (Palestinian attackers—Afif, Nazzal, Chic Thaa, Hamid and Jamal—killed during the Fürstenfeldbruck gun battle were delivered to Libya, where they received heroes' funerals and were buried with full military honors). {Rule 2 Article 51(2) of Additional Protocol I prohibits Acts or threats of violence the primary purpose of which is to spread terror among the civilian population are prohibited.}

Let's put this in perspective before we get all excited. Yes, annually we will give Israel about $3B. The Program cost for the F-22 Raptor is $66.7 billion. It is much better to insure that Israel has a Qualitative Military Advantage in equipment and technology, then to give the advantage in numbers by the Arab Countries still hostile; unable to make peace.

Most Respectfully,
R

AIPAC controls our government through a cabalistic campaign donations against American Interests...

Hogwash. AIPAC doesn't control anything. Now, take ZOG......

 

[CMike]

Says a lot

Why America needs Israel - Opinion - Jerusalem Post

 

[CMike]

Thunderbird, et al,

OK, it is true that Israel a big recipient of Aid from the US (so what).

Israel is the largest cumulative recipient of U.S. foreign assistance since World War II. From 1976-2004, Israel was the largest annual recipient of U.S. foreign assistance, having been supplanted by Iraq. Since 1985, the United States has provided nearly $3 billion in grants annually to Israel.

Almost all U.S. bilateral aid to Israel is in the form of military assistance. In the past, Israel also had received significant economic assistance. Strong congressional support for Israel has resulted in Israel’s receiving benefits not available to other countries. For example, Israel can use some U.S. military assistance both for research and development in the United States and for military purchases from Israeli manufacturers. SOURCE: CRS Report RL33476​

Since 1948, the aid given to Israel evolved from helping preserve the original intent of a Jewish Nation Home, to much more. In recent decades, probably the 1970's onward, the purpose of the aid has further a strong bilateral arrangement which reflects are shared values in government and culture; not to forget the great concern that both countries hold in the matter of strategic goals in the Middle East (concern over Iran, Syria, Islamic extremism).

No I'm not but the OP is another "Hate Israel Because" story and I don't buy that crap.

Can you refute any of the statements I made in the OP?

American taxpayers are forced to pay billions of dollars to Israel. America has suffered through oil embargoes because of Israel. America has fought wars for Israel. And what has Israel done for the U.S.? In gratitude the Israelis have conducted damaging spy operations against the U.S. and sold advanced weapons to our most dangerous adversaries.

American interests are not served by propping up apartheid Israel. Our politicians are bribed to betray our country and put Israel first. American subservience to Israel creates hatred for America throughout the Muslim world, terrorism, instability, and aversion to American ideals and reform.

(COMMENT)

There have been at times, when the two counties have experienced some political and diplomatic differences discord. But of the many security and defense agreements the US has entered into since the end of WWII, only the Five-Eyes (the US + Canada, UK, Australia, New Zealand) has proven as durable, successful and reliable as the one between Israel and the US.

Congressional Research Report 10 JUNE 2015 US Aid to Israel
Though aid to Israel has detractors as well as supporters, overall U.S. public support for Israel remains strong. According to a February 2015 Gallup poll that measured Americans’ sympathies toward the disputants in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, 62% said their sympathies lie with the Israelis and 16% said their sympathies lie with the Palestinians. According to a February 2015 Pew Research Center poll, “48% of respondents say that the level of U.S. support for Israel is about right; 29% say the U.S. is not supportive enough of Israel, while 18% say it is too supportive.” Neither of these surveys explicitly examined public opinion regarding U.S. aid to Israel.
SOURCE: CRS Report RL33222 & CRS Report RL33476, Israel: Background and U.S. Relations ​

Over the last 7+ decades, each of the successor Presidents (and Administrations), and Congressional Lawmakers have "considered Israel to be a reliable partner in the region, and U.S. aid packages for Israel have reflected this sentiment."

Israel is not an "Apartheid" country. It doesn't even come close to the definition by the International Criminal Court. It is merely a anti-Israeli Humanitarian claim to put forward an inflammatory language. Who betrayed "America" and put Israel first." Again, this is inflammatory language designed to incite a hostile image of Israel in the minds unfamiliar with the Jihadist and Fedayeen activity in the Region and the International Threat they have posed since the 1972 Munich Olympic Games (Palestinian attackers—Afif, Nazzal, Chic Thaa, Hamid and Jamal—killed during the Fürstenfeldbruck gun battle were delivered to Libya, where they received heroes' funerals and were buried with full military honors). {Rule 2 Article 51(2) of Additional Protocol I prohibits Acts or threats of violence the primary purpose of which is to spread terror among the civilian population are prohibited.}

Let's put this in perspective before we get all excited. Yes, annually we will give Israel about $3B. The Program cost for the F-22 Raptor is $66.7 billion. It is much better to insure that Israel has a Qualitative Military Advantage in equipment and technology, then to give the advantage in numbers by the Arab Countries still hostile; unable to make peace.

Most Respectfully,
R

AIPAC controls our government through a cabalistic campaign donations against American Interests...

It's the arab governments that buy off American politicians with billions of dollars.

 

[pbel]

Thunderbird, et al,

OK, it is true that Israel a big recipient of Aid from the US (so what).

Israel is the largest cumulative recipient of U.S. foreign assistance since World War II. From 1976-2004, Israel was the largest annual recipient of U.S. foreign assistance, having been supplanted by Iraq. Since 1985, the United States has provided nearly $3 billion in grants annually to Israel.

Almost all U.S. bilateral aid to Israel is in the form of military assistance. In the past, Israel also had received significant economic assistance. Strong congressional support for Israel has resulted in Israel’s receiving benefits not available to other countries. For example, Israel can use some U.S. military assistance both for research and development in the United States and for military purchases from Israeli manufacturers. SOURCE: CRS Report RL33476​

Since 1948, the aid given to Israel evolved from helping preserve the original intent of a Jewish Nation Home, to much more. In recent decades, probably the 1970's onward, the purpose of the aid has further a strong bilateral arrangement which reflects are shared values in government and culture; not to forget the great concern that both countries hold in the matter of strategic goals in the Middle East (concern over Iran, Syria, Islamic extremism).

No I'm not but the OP is another "Hate Israel Because" story and I don't buy that crap.

Can you refute any of the statements I made in the OP?

American taxpayers are forced to pay billions of dollars to Israel. America has suffered through oil embargoes because of Israel. America has fought wars for Israel. And what has Israel done for the U.S.? In gratitude the Israelis have conducted damaging spy operations against the U.S. and sold advanced weapons to our most dangerous adversaries.

American interests are not served by propping up apartheid Israel. Our politicians are bribed to betray our country and put Israel first. American subservience to Israel creates hatred for America throughout the Muslim world, terrorism, instability, and aversion to American ideals and reform.

(COMMENT)

There have been at times, when the two counties have experienced some political and diplomatic differences discord. But of the many security and defense agreements the US has entered into since the end of WWII, only the Five-Eyes (the US + Canada, UK, Australia, New Zealand) has proven as durable, successful and reliable as the one between Israel and the US.

Congressional Research Report 10 JUNE 2015 US Aid to Israel
Though aid to Israel has detractors as well as supporters, overall U.S. public support for Israel remains strong. According to a February 2015 Gallup poll that measured Americans’ sympathies toward the disputants in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, 62% said their sympathies lie with the Israelis and 16% said their sympathies lie with the Palestinians. According to a February 2015 Pew Research Center poll, “48% of respondents say that the level of U.S. support for Israel is about right; 29% say the U.S. is not supportive enough of Israel, while 18% say it is too supportive.” Neither of these surveys explicitly examined public opinion regarding U.S. aid to Israel.
SOURCE: CRS Report RL33222 & CRS Report RL33476, Israel: Background and U.S. Relations ​

Over the last 7+ decades, each of the successor Presidents (and Administrations), and Congressional Lawmakers have "considered Israel to be a reliable partner in the region, and U.S. aid packages for Israel have reflected this sentiment."

Israel is not an "Apartheid" country. It doesn't even come close to the definition by the International Criminal Court. It is merely a anti-Israeli Humanitarian claim to put forward an inflammatory language. Who betrayed "America" and put Israel first." Again, this is inflammatory language designed to incite a hostile image of Israel in the minds unfamiliar with the Jihadist and Fedayeen activity in the Region and the International Threat they have posed since the 1972 Munich Olympic Games (Palestinian attackers—Afif, Nazzal, Chic Thaa, Hamid and Jamal—killed during the Fürstenfeldbruck gun battle were delivered to Libya, where they received heroes' funerals and were buried with full military honors). {Rule 2 Article 51(2) of Additional Protocol I prohibits Acts or threats of violence the primary purpose of which is to spread terror among the civilian population are prohibited.}

Let's put this in perspective before we get all excited. Yes, annually we will give Israel about $3B. The Program cost for the F-22 Raptor is $66.7 billion. It is much better to insure that Israel has a Qualitative Military Advantage in equipment and technology, then to give the advantage in numbers by the Arab Countries still hostile; unable to make peace.

Most Respectfully,
R

AIPAC controls our government through a cabalistic campaign donations against American Interests...

It's the arab governments that buy off American politicians with billions of dollars.

Link?

 

[Hossfly]

Thunderbird, et al,

OK, it is true that Israel a big recipient of Aid from the US (so what).

Israel is the largest cumulative recipient of U.S. foreign assistance since World War II. From 1976-2004, Israel was the largest annual recipient of U.S. foreign assistance, having been supplanted by Iraq. Since 1985, the United States has provided nearly $3 billion in grants annually to Israel.

Almost all U.S. bilateral aid to Israel is in the form of military assistance. In the past, Israel also had received significant economic assistance. Strong congressional support for Israel has resulted in Israel’s receiving benefits not available to other countries. For example, Israel can use some U.S. military assistance both for research and development in the United States and for military purchases from Israeli manufacturers. SOURCE: CRS Report RL33476​

Since 1948, the aid given to Israel evolved from helping preserve the original intent of a Jewish Nation Home, to much more. In recent decades, probably the 1970's onward, the purpose of the aid has further a strong bilateral arrangement which reflects are shared values in government and culture; not to forget the great concern that both countries hold in the matter of strategic goals in the Middle East (concern over Iran, Syria, Islamic extremism).

No I'm not but the OP is another "Hate Israel Because" story and I don't buy that crap.

Can you refute any of the statements I made in the OP?

American taxpayers are forced to pay billions of dollars to Israel. America has suffered through oil embargoes because of Israel. America has fought wars for Israel. And what has Israel done for the U.S.? In gratitude the Israelis have conducted damaging spy operations against the U.S. and sold advanced weapons to our most dangerous adversaries.

American interests are not served by propping up apartheid Israel. Our politicians are bribed to betray our country and put Israel first. American subservience to Israel creates hatred for America throughout the Muslim world, terrorism, instability, and aversion to American ideals and reform.

(COMMENT)

There have been at times, when the two counties have experienced some political and diplomatic differences discord. But of the many security and defense agreements the US has entered into since the end of WWII, only the Five-Eyes (the US + Canada, UK, Australia, New Zealand) has proven as durable, successful and reliable as the one between Israel and the US.

Congressional Research Report 10 JUNE 2015 US Aid to Israel
Though aid to Israel has detractors as well as supporters, overall U.S. public support for Israel remains strong. According to a February 2015 Gallup poll that measured Americans’ sympathies toward the disputants in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, 62% said their sympathies lie with the Israelis and 16% said their sympathies lie with the Palestinians. According to a February 2015 Pew Research Center poll, “48% of respondents say that the level of U.S. support for Israel is about right; 29% say the U.S. is not supportive enough of Israel, while 18% say it is too supportive.” Neither of these surveys explicitly examined public opinion regarding U.S. aid to Israel.
SOURCE: CRS Report RL33222 & CRS Report RL33476, Israel: Background and U.S. Relations ​

Over the last 7+ decades, each of the successor Presidents (and Administrations), and Congressional Lawmakers have "considered Israel to be a reliable partner in the region, and U.S. aid packages for Israel have reflected this sentiment."

Israel is not an "Apartheid" country. It doesn't even come close to the definition by the International Criminal Court. It is merely a anti-Israeli Humanitarian claim to put forward an inflammatory language. Who betrayed "America" and put Israel first." Again, this is inflammatory language designed to incite a hostile image of Israel in the minds unfamiliar with the Jihadist and Fedayeen activity in the Region and the International Threat they have posed since the 1972 Munich Olympic Games (Palestinian attackers—Afif, Nazzal, Chic Thaa, Hamid and Jamal—killed during the Fürstenfeldbruck gun battle were delivered to Libya, where they received heroes' funerals and were buried with full military honors). {Rule 2 Article 51(2) of Additional Protocol I prohibits Acts or threats of violence the primary purpose of which is to spread terror among the civilian population are prohibited.}

Let's put this in perspective before we get all excited. Yes, annually we will give Israel about $3B. The Program cost for the F-22 Raptor is $66.7 billion. It is much better to insure that Israel has a Qualitative Military Advantage in equipment and technology, then to give the advantage in numbers by the Arab Countries still hostile; unable to make peace.

Most Respectfully,
R

AIPAC controls our government through a cabalistic campaign donations against American Interests...

It's the arab governments that buy off American politicians with billions of dollars.

Link?

 

[CMike]

Thunderbird, et al,

OK, it is true that Israel a big recipient of Aid from the US (so what).

Israel is the largest cumulative recipient of U.S. foreign assistance since World War II. From 1976-2004, Israel was the largest annual recipient of U.S. foreign assistance, having been supplanted by Iraq. Since 1985, the United States has provided nearly $3 billion in grants annually to Israel.

Almost all U.S. bilateral aid to Israel is in the form of military assistance. In the past, Israel also had received significant economic assistance. Strong congressional support for Israel has resulted in Israel’s receiving benefits not available to other countries. For example, Israel can use some U.S. military assistance both for research and development in the United States and for military purchases from Israeli manufacturers. SOURCE: CRS Report RL33476​

Since 1948, the aid given to Israel evolved from helping preserve the original intent of a Jewish Nation Home, to much more. In recent decades, probably the 1970's onward, the purpose of the aid has further a strong bilateral arrangement which reflects are shared values in government and culture; not to forget the great concern that both countries hold in the matter of strategic goals in the Middle East (concern over Iran, Syria, Islamic extremism).

No I'm not but the OP is another "Hate Israel Because" story and I don't buy that crap.

Can you refute any of the statements I made in the OP?

American taxpayers are forced to pay billions of dollars to Israel. America has suffered through oil embargoes because of Israel. America has fought wars for Israel. And what has Israel done for the U.S.? In gratitude the Israelis have conducted damaging spy operations against the U.S. and sold advanced weapons to our most dangerous adversaries.

American interests are not served by propping up apartheid Israel. Our politicians are bribed to betray our country and put Israel first. American subservience to Israel creates hatred for America throughout the Muslim world, terrorism, instability, and aversion to American ideals and reform.

(COMMENT)

There have been at times, when the two counties have experienced some political and diplomatic differences discord. But of the many security and defense agreements the US has entered into since the end of WWII, only the Five-Eyes (the US + Canada, UK, Australia, New Zealand) has proven as durable, successful and reliable as the one between Israel and the US.

Congressional Research Report 10 JUNE 2015 US Aid to Israel
Though aid to Israel has detractors as well as supporters, overall U.S. public support for Israel remains strong. According to a February 2015 Gallup poll that measured Americans’ sympathies toward the disputants in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, 62% said their sympathies lie with the Israelis and 16% said their sympathies lie with the Palestinians. According to a February 2015 Pew Research Center poll, “48% of respondents say that the level of U.S. support for Israel is about right; 29% say the U.S. is not supportive enough of Israel, while 18% say it is too supportive.” Neither of these surveys explicitly examined public opinion regarding U.S. aid to Israel.
SOURCE: CRS Report RL33222 & CRS Report RL33476, Israel: Background and U.S. Relations ​

Over the last 7+ decades, each of the successor Presidents (and Administrations), and Congressional Lawmakers have "considered Israel to be a reliable partner in the region, and U.S. aid packages for Israel have reflected this sentiment."

Israel is not an "Apartheid" country. It doesn't even come close to the definition by the International Criminal Court. It is merely a anti-Israeli Humanitarian claim to put forward an inflammatory language. Who betrayed "America" and put Israel first." Again, this is inflammatory language designed to incite a hostile image of Israel in the minds unfamiliar with the Jihadist and Fedayeen activity in the Region and the International Threat they have posed since the 1972 Munich Olympic Games (Palestinian attackers—Afif, Nazzal, Chic Thaa, Hamid and Jamal—killed during the Fürstenfeldbruck gun battle were delivered to Libya, where they received heroes' funerals and were buried with full military honors). {Rule 2 Article 51(2) of Additional Protocol I prohibits Acts or threats of violence the primary purpose of which is to spread terror among the civilian population are prohibited.}

Let's put this in perspective before we get all excited. Yes, annually we will give Israel about $3B. The Program cost for the F-22 Raptor is $66.7 billion. It is much better to insure that Israel has a Qualitative Military Advantage in equipment and technology, then to give the advantage in numbers by the Arab Countries still hostile; unable to make peace.

Most Respectfully,
R

AIPAC controls our government through a cabalistic campaign donations against American Interests...

It's the arab governments that buy off American politicians with billions of dollars.

Link?

Your wish is my command.

The Arab Lobby in America and Influence over the U.S. - The Daily Beast

But why is the Arab lobby, and most particularly the Saudi lobby, also powerful? Saudi Arabia has virtually no support among Americans. Indeed, it is widely reviled for its export of terrorists such as Osama bin Laden, its manipulation of oil prices, its anti-Christian and anti-Semitic policies, its total deprivation of any semblance of freedom of speech or dissent, and its primitive forms of punishment that include stoning and amputation. Yet, as Bard demonstrates, the Saudi lobby has beaten the pro-Israel lobby over and over again in head-to-head conflicts, such as the sale of sophisticated weapons to a regime that doesn't even have the technical skills to use them, and the conflict over whether to move the United States' embassy to Jerusalem. Even now, Saudi Arabia is lobbying to obtain a multibillion-dollar arms deal, and it is likely to succeed over the objections of Israel.



How then does a lobby with no popular support manage to exert influence in a democratic country? The secret is very simple. The Arab lobby in general and the Saudis in particular make little effort to influence popularly elected public officials, particularly legislators. Again, listen to Bard:

"The Saudis have taken a different tact from the Israeli lobby, focusing a top-down rather than bottom-up approach to lobbying. As hired gun, J. Crawford Cook, wrote in laying out his proposed strategy for the kingdom, 'Saudi Arabia has a need to influence the few that influence the many, rather than the need to influence the many to whom the few must respond.'"

The primary means by which the Saudis exercise this influence is money. They spend enormous amounts of lucre to buy (or rent) former state department officials, diplomats, White House aides, and legislative leaders who become their elite lobbying corps. Far more insidiously, the Saudis let it be known that if current government officials want to be hired following their retirement from government service, they had better hew to the Saudi line while they are serving in our government. The former Saudi ambassador to the United States, Prince Bandar, who was so close to the President George H.W. Bush that he referred to himself as "Bandar Bush," acknowledged the relationship between how a government official behaves while in office and how well he will be rewarded when he leaves office. "If the reputation then builds that the Saudis take care of friends when they leave office, you'd be surprised how much better friends you have when they are just coming into office."

Bard concludes from this well known quid pro quo that: "given the potential of these post-retirement opportunities, it would not be surprising if officials adopted positions while in government to make themselves marketable to the Arab lobby."

The methodology employed by the Arab lobby is thus totally inconsistent with democratic governance, because it does not reflect the will of the people but rather the corruption of the elite, while the Israeli lobby seems to operate within the parameters of democratic processes. Yet so much has been written about the allegedly corrosive nature of the Israeli lobby, while the powerful Arab lobby has widely escaped scrutiny and criticism. This important book thus contributes to the open marketplace of ideas by illuminating the dark side of the massive and largely undemocratic Arab lobbying efforts to influence American policy with regard to the Middle East.
But why is the Arab lobby, and most particularly the Saudi lobby, also powerful? Saudi Arabia has virtually no support among Americans. Indeed, it is widely reviled for its export of terrorists such as Osama bin Laden, its manipulation of oil prices, its anti-Christian and anti-Semitic policies, its total deprivation of any semblance of freedom of speech or dissent, and its primitive forms of punishment that include stoning and amputation. Yet, as Bard demonstrates, the Saudi lobby has beaten the pro-Israel lobby over and over again in head-to-head conflicts, such as the sale of sophisticated weapons to a regime that doesn't even have the technical skills to use them, and the conflict over whether to move the United States' embassy to Jerusalem. Even now, Saudi Arabia is lobbying to obtain a multibillion-dollar arms deal, and it is likely to succeed over the objections of Israel.

 

[montelatici]

Thunderbird, et al,

OK, it is true that Israel a big recipient of Aid from the US (so what).

Israel is the largest cumulative recipient of U.S. foreign assistance since World War II. From 1976-2004, Israel was the largest annual recipient of U.S. foreign assistance, having been supplanted by Iraq. Since 1985, the United States has provided nearly $3 billion in grants annually to Israel.

Almost all U.S. bilateral aid to Israel is in the form of military assistance. In the past, Israel also had received significant economic assistance. Strong congressional support for Israel has resulted in Israel’s receiving benefits not available to other countries. For example, Israel can use some U.S. military assistance both for research and development in the United States and for military purchases from Israeli manufacturers. SOURCE: CRS Report RL33476​

Since 1948, the aid given to Israel evolved from helping preserve the original intent of a Jewish Nation Home, to much more. In recent decades, probably the 1970's onward, the purpose of the aid has further a strong bilateral arrangement which reflects are shared values in government and culture; not to forget the great concern that both countries hold in the matter of strategic goals in the Middle East (concern over Iran, Syria, Islamic extremism).

No I'm not but the OP is another "Hate Israel Because" story and I don't buy that crap.

Can you refute any of the statements I made in the OP?

American taxpayers are forced to pay billions of dollars to Israel. America has suffered through oil embargoes because of Israel. America has fought wars for Israel. And what has Israel done for the U.S.? In gratitude the Israelis have conducted damaging spy operations against the U.S. and sold advanced weapons to our most dangerous adversaries.

American interests are not served by propping up apartheid Israel. Our politicians are bribed to betray our country and put Israel first. American subservience to Israel creates hatred for America throughout the Muslim world, terrorism, instability, and aversion to American ideals and reform.

(COMMENT)

There have been at times, when the two counties have experienced some political and diplomatic differences discord. But of the many security and defense agreements the US has entered into since the end of WWII, only the Five-Eyes (the US + Canada, UK, Australia, New Zealand) has proven as durable, successful and reliable as the one between Israel and the US.

Congressional Research Report 10 JUNE 2015 US Aid to Israel
Though aid to Israel has detractors as well as supporters, overall U.S. public support for Israel remains strong. According to a February 2015 Gallup poll that measured Americans’ sympathies toward the disputants in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, 62% said their sympathies lie with the Israelis and 16% said their sympathies lie with the Palestinians. According to a February 2015 Pew Research Center poll, “48% of respondents say that the level of U.S. support for Israel is about right; 29% say the U.S. is not supportive enough of Israel, while 18% say it is too supportive.” Neither of these surveys explicitly examined public opinion regarding U.S. aid to Israel.
SOURCE: CRS Report RL33222 & CRS Report RL33476, Israel: Background and U.S. Relations ​

Over the last 7+ decades, each of the successor Presidents (and Administrations), and Congressional Lawmakers have "considered Israel to be a reliable partner in the region, and U.S. aid packages for Israel have reflected this sentiment."

Israel is not an "Apartheid" country. It doesn't even come close to the definition by the International Criminal Court. It is merely a anti-Israeli Humanitarian claim to put forward an inflammatory language. Who betrayed "America" and put Israel first." Again, this is inflammatory language designed to incite a hostile image of Israel in the minds unfamiliar with the Jihadist and Fedayeen activity in the Region and the International Threat they have posed since the 1972 Munich Olympic Games (Palestinian attackers—Afif, Nazzal, Chic Thaa, Hamid and Jamal—killed during the Fürstenfeldbruck gun battle were delivered to Libya, where they received heroes' funerals and were buried with full military honors). {Rule 2 Article 51(2) of Additional Protocol I prohibits Acts or threats of violence the primary purpose of which is to spread terror among the civilian population are prohibited.}

Let's put this in perspective before we get all excited. Yes, annually we will give Israel about $3B. The Program cost for the F-22 Raptor is $66.7 billion. It is much better to insure that Israel has a Qualitative Military Advantage in equipment and technology, then to give the advantage in numbers by the Arab Countries still hostile; unable to make peace.

Most Respectfully,
R

Rocco,

1. Can you tell us how Israel is not an Apartheid state. Remember some non-whites (a minority) could vote and had parliamentary representation in Apartheid South Africa. The rest were citizens of Bantustans, completely controlled by South Africa and could not vote and were not represented in the parliament.

2. Can you tell us how it helps America to have the billion or more Muslims hate us because of our one-sided support of Israel?

 

[pbel]

Thunderbird, et al,

OK, it is true that Israel a big recipient of Aid from the US (so what).

Israel is the largest cumulative recipient of U.S. foreign assistance since World War II. From 1976-2004, Israel was the largest annual recipient of U.S. foreign assistance, having been supplanted by Iraq. Since 1985, the United States has provided nearly $3 billion in grants annually to Israel.

Almost all U.S. bilateral aid to Israel is in the form of military assistance. In the past, Israel also had received significant economic assistance. Strong congressional support for Israel has resulted in Israel’s receiving benefits not available to other countries. For example, Israel can use some U.S. military assistance both for research and development in the United States and for military purchases from Israeli manufacturers. SOURCE: CRS Report RL33476​

Since 1948, the aid given to Israel evolved from helping preserve the original intent of a Jewish Nation Home, to much more. In recent decades, probably the 1970's onward, the purpose of the aid has further a strong bilateral arrangement which reflects are shared values in government and culture; not to forget the great concern that both countries hold in the matter of strategic goals in the Middle East (concern over Iran, Syria, Islamic extremism).

Can you refute any of the statements I made in the OP?

American taxpayers are forced to pay billions of dollars to Israel. America has suffered through oil embargoes because of Israel. America has fought wars for Israel. And what has Israel done for the U.S.? In gratitude the Israelis have conducted damaging spy operations against the U.S. and sold advanced weapons to our most dangerous adversaries.

American interests are not served by propping up apartheid Israel. Our politicians are bribed to betray our country and put Israel first. American subservience to Israel creates hatred for America throughout the Muslim world, terrorism, instability, and aversion to American ideals and reform.

(COMMENT)

There have been at times, when the two counties have experienced some political and diplomatic differences discord. But of the many security and defense agreements the US has entered into since the end of WWII, only the Five-Eyes (the US + Canada, UK, Australia, New Zealand) has proven as durable, successful and reliable as the one between Israel and the US.

Congressional Research Report 10 JUNE 2015 US Aid to Israel
Though aid to Israel has detractors as well as supporters, overall U.S. public support for Israel remains strong. According to a February 2015 Gallup poll that measured Americans’ sympathies toward the disputants in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, 62% said their sympathies lie with the Israelis and 16% said their sympathies lie with the Palestinians. According to a February 2015 Pew Research Center poll, “48% of respondents say that the level of U.S. support for Israel is about right; 29% say the U.S. is not supportive enough of Israel, while 18% say it is too supportive.” Neither of these surveys explicitly examined public opinion regarding U.S. aid to Israel.
SOURCE: CRS Report RL33222 & CRS Report RL33476, Israel: Background and U.S. Relations ​

Over the last 7+ decades, each of the successor Presidents (and Administrations), and Congressional Lawmakers have "considered Israel to be a reliable partner in the region, and U.S. aid packages for Israel have reflected this sentiment."

Israel is not an "Apartheid" country. It doesn't even come close to the definition by the International Criminal Court. It is merely a anti-Israeli Humanitarian claim to put forward an inflammatory language. Who betrayed "America" and put Israel first." Again, this is inflammatory language designed to incite a hostile image of Israel in the minds unfamiliar with the Jihadist and Fedayeen activity in the Region and the International Threat they have posed since the 1972 Munich Olympic Games (Palestinian attackers—Afif, Nazzal, Chic Thaa, Hamid and Jamal—killed during the Fürstenfeldbruck gun battle were delivered to Libya, where they received heroes' funerals and were buried with full military honors). {Rule 2 Article 51(2) of Additional Protocol I prohibits Acts or threats of violence the primary purpose of which is to spread terror among the civilian population are prohibited.}

Let's put this in perspective before we get all excited. Yes, annually we will give Israel about $3B. The Program cost for the F-22 Raptor is $66.7 billion. It is much better to insure that Israel has a Qualitative Military Advantage in equipment and technology, then to give the advantage in numbers by the Arab Countries still hostile; unable to make peace.

Most Respectfully,
R

AIPAC controls our government through a cabalistic campaign donations against American Interests...

It's the arab governments that buy off American politicians with billions of dollars.

Link?

Your wish is my command.

The Arab Lobby in America and Influence over the U.S. - The Daily Beast

But why is the Arab lobby, and most particularly the Saudi lobby, also powerful? Saudi Arabia has virtually no support among Americans. Indeed, it is widely reviled for its export of terrorists such as Osama bin Laden, its manipulation of oil prices, its anti-Christian and anti-Semitic policies, its total deprivation of any semblance of freedom of speech or dissent, and its primitive forms of punishment that include stoning and amputation. Yet, as Bard demonstrates, the Saudi lobby has beaten the pro-Israel lobby over and over again in head-to-head conflicts, such as the sale of sophisticated weapons to a regime that doesn't even have the technical skills to use them, and the conflict over whether to move the United States' embassy to Jerusalem. Even now, Saudi Arabia is lobbying to obtain a multibillion-dollar arms deal, and it is likely to succeed over the objections of Israel.



How then does a lobby with no popular support manage to exert influence in a democratic country? The secret is very simple. The Arab lobby in general and the Saudis in particular make little effort to influence popularly elected public officials, particularly legislators. Again, listen to Bard:

"The Saudis have taken a different tact from the Israeli lobby, focusing a top-down rather than bottom-up approach to lobbying. As hired gun, J. Crawford Cook, wrote in laying out his proposed strategy for the kingdom, 'Saudi Arabia has a need to influence the few that influence the many, rather than the need to influence the many to whom the few must respond.'"

The primary means by which the Saudis exercise this influence is money. They spend enormous amounts of lucre to buy (or rent) former state department officials, diplomats, White House aides, and legislative leaders who become their elite lobbying corps. Far more insidiously, the Saudis let it be known that if current government officials want to be hired following their retirement from government service, they had better hew to the Saudi line while they are serving in our government. The former Saudi ambassador to the United States, Prince Bandar, who was so close to the President George H.W. Bush that he referred to himself as "Bandar Bush," acknowledged the relationship between how a government official behaves while in office and how well he will be rewarded when he leaves office. "If the reputation then builds that the Saudis take care of friends when they leave office, you'd be surprised how much better friends you have when they are just coming into office."

Bard concludes from this well known quid pro quo that: "given the potential of these post-retirement opportunities, it would not be surprising if officials adopted positions while in government to make themselves marketable to the Arab lobby."

The methodology employed by the Arab lobby is thus totally inconsistent with democratic governance, because it does not reflect the will of the people but rather the corruption of the elite, while the Israeli lobby seems to operate within the parameters of democratic processes. Yet so much has been written about the allegedly corrosive nature of the Israeli lobby, while the powerful Arab lobby has widely escaped scrutiny and criticism. This important book thus contributes to the open marketplace of ideas by illuminating the dark side of the massive and largely undemocratic Arab lobbying efforts to influence American policy with regard to the Middle East.
But why is the Arab lobby, and most particularly the Saudi lobby, also powerful? Saudi Arabia has virtually no support among Americans. Indeed, it is widely reviled for its export of terrorists such as Osama bin Laden, its manipulation of oil prices, its anti-Christian and anti-Semitic policies, its total deprivation of any semblance of freedom of speech or dissent, and its primitive forms of punishment that include stoning and amputation. Yet, as Bard demonstrates, the Saudi lobby has beaten the pro-Israel lobby over and over again in head-to-head conflicts, such as the sale of sophisticated weapons to a regime that doesn't even have the technical skills to use them, and the conflict over whether to move the United States' embassy to Jerusalem. Even now, Saudi Arabia is lobbying to obtain a multibillion-dollar arms deal, and it is likely to succeed over the objections of Israel.

A commentary from a Zionist mouthpiece? Link a Wikipedia article showing the amount of money spent by lobbyists and their affiliates...

I COMMAND you!!!

 

[pbel]

Thunderbird, et al,

OK, it is true that Israel a big recipient of Aid from the US (so what).

Israel is the largest cumulative recipient of U.S. foreign assistance since World War II. From 1976-2004, Israel was the largest annual recipient of U.S. foreign assistance, having been supplanted by Iraq. Since 1985, the United States has provided nearly $3 billion in grants annually to Israel.

Almost all U.S. bilateral aid to Israel is in the form of military assistance. In the past, Israel also had received significant economic assistance. Strong congressional support for Israel has resulted in Israel’s receiving benefits not available to other countries. For example, Israel can use some U.S. military assistance both for research and development in the United States and for military purchases from Israeli manufacturers. SOURCE: CRS Report RL33476​

Since 1948, the aid given to Israel evolved from helping preserve the original intent of a Jewish Nation Home, to much more. In recent decades, probably the 1970's onward, the purpose of the aid has further a strong bilateral arrangement which reflects are shared values in government and culture; not to forget the great concern that both countries hold in the matter of strategic goals in the Middle East (concern over Iran, Syria, Islamic extremism).

Can you refute any of the statements I made in the OP?

American taxpayers are forced to pay billions of dollars to Israel. America has suffered through oil embargoes because of Israel. America has fought wars for Israel. And what has Israel done for the U.S.? In gratitude the Israelis have conducted damaging spy operations against the U.S. and sold advanced weapons to our most dangerous adversaries.

American interests are not served by propping up apartheid Israel. Our politicians are bribed to betray our country and put Israel first. American subservience to Israel creates hatred for America throughout the Muslim world, terrorism, instability, and aversion to American ideals and reform.

(COMMENT)

There have been at times, when the two counties have experienced some political and diplomatic differences discord. But of the many security and defense agreements the US has entered into since the end of WWII, only the Five-Eyes (the US + Canada, UK, Australia, New Zealand) has proven as durable, successful and reliable as the one between Israel and the US.

Congressional Research Report 10 JUNE 2015 US Aid to Israel
Though aid to Israel has detractors as well as supporters, overall U.S. public support for Israel remains strong. According to a February 2015 Gallup poll that measured Americans’ sympathies toward the disputants in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, 62% said their sympathies lie with the Israelis and 16% said their sympathies lie with the Palestinians. According to a February 2015 Pew Research Center poll, “48% of respondents say that the level of U.S. support for Israel is about right; 29% say the U.S. is not supportive enough of Israel, while 18% say it is too supportive.” Neither of these surveys explicitly examined public opinion regarding U.S. aid to Israel.
SOURCE: CRS Report RL33222 & CRS Report RL33476, Israel: Background and U.S. Relations ​

Over the last 7+ decades, each of the successor Presidents (and Administrations), and Congressional Lawmakers have "considered Israel to be a reliable partner in the region, and U.S. aid packages for Israel have reflected this sentiment."

Israel is not an "Apartheid" country. It doesn't even come close to the definition by the International Criminal Court. It is merely a anti-Israeli Humanitarian claim to put forward an inflammatory language. Who betrayed "America" and put Israel first." Again, this is inflammatory language designed to incite a hostile image of Israel in the minds unfamiliar with the Jihadist and Fedayeen activity in the Region and the International Threat they have posed since the 1972 Munich Olympic Games (Palestinian attackers—Afif, Nazzal, Chic Thaa, Hamid and Jamal—killed during the Fürstenfeldbruck gun battle were delivered to Libya, where they received heroes' funerals and were buried with full military honors). {Rule 2 Article 51(2) of Additional Protocol I prohibits Acts or threats of violence the primary purpose of which is to spread terror among the civilian population are prohibited.}

Let's put this in perspective before we get all excited. Yes, annually we will give Israel about $3B. The Program cost for the F-22 Raptor is $66.7 billion. It is much better to insure that Israel has a Qualitative Military Advantage in equipment and technology, then to give the advantage in numbers by the Arab Countries still hostile; unable to make peace.

Most Respectfully,
R

AIPAC controls our government through a cabalistic campaign donations against American Interests...

It's the arab governments that buy off American politicians with billions of dollars.

Link?

Your wish is my command.

The Arab Lobby in America and Influence over the U.S. - The Daily Beast

But why is the Arab lobby, and most particularly the Saudi lobby, also powerful? Saudi Arabia has virtually no support among Americans. Indeed, it is widely reviled for its export of terrorists such as Osama bin Laden, its manipulation of oil prices, its anti-Christian and anti-Semitic policies, its total deprivation of any semblance of freedom of speech or dissent, and its primitive forms of punishment that include stoning and amputation. Yet, as Bard demonstrates, the Saudi lobby has beaten the pro-Israel lobby over and over again in head-to-head conflicts, such as the sale of sophisticated weapons to a regime that doesn't even have the technical skills to use them, and the conflict over whether to move the United States' embassy to Jerusalem. Even now, Saudi Arabia is lobbying to obtain a multibillion-dollar arms deal, and it is likely to succeed over the objections of Israel.



How then does a lobby with no popular support manage to exert influence in a democratic country? The secret is very simple. The Arab lobby in general and the Saudis in particular make little effort to influence popularly elected public officials, particularly legislators. Again, listen to Bard:

"The Saudis have taken a different tact from the Israeli lobby, focusing a top-down rather than bottom-up approach to lobbying. As hired gun, J. Crawford Cook, wrote in laying out his proposed strategy for the kingdom, 'Saudi Arabia has a need to influence the few that influence the many, rather than the need to influence the many to whom the few must respond.'"

The primary means by which the Saudis exercise this influence is money. They spend enormous amounts of lucre to buy (or rent) former state department officials, diplomats, White House aides, and legislative leaders who become their elite lobbying corps. Far more insidiously, the Saudis let it be known that if current government officials want to be hired following their retirement from government service, they had better hew to the Saudi line while they are serving in our government. The former Saudi ambassador to the United States, Prince Bandar, who was so close to the President George H.W. Bush that he referred to himself as "Bandar Bush," acknowledged the relationship between how a government official behaves while in office and how well he will be rewarded when he leaves office. "If the reputation then builds that the Saudis take care of friends when they leave office, you'd be surprised how much better friends you have when they are just coming into office."

Bard concludes from this well known quid pro quo that: "given the potential of these post-retirement opportunities, it would not be surprising if officials adopted positions while in government to make themselves marketable to the Arab lobby."

The methodology employed by the Arab lobby is thus totally inconsistent with democratic governance, because it does not reflect the will of the people but rather the corruption of the elite, while the Israeli lobby seems to operate within the parameters of democratic processes. Yet so much has been written about the allegedly corrosive nature of the Israeli lobby, while the powerful Arab lobby has widely escaped scrutiny and criticism. This important book thus contributes to the open marketplace of ideas by illuminating the dark side of the massive and largely undemocratic Arab lobbying efforts to influence American policy with regard to the Middle East.
But why is the Arab lobby, and most particularly the Saudi lobby, also powerful? Saudi Arabia has virtually no support among Americans. Indeed, it is widely reviled for its export of terrorists such as Osama bin Laden, its manipulation of oil prices, its anti-Christian and anti-Semitic policies, its total deprivation of any semblance of freedom of speech or dissent, and its primitive forms of punishment that include stoning and amputation. Yet, as Bard demonstrates, the Saudi lobby has beaten the pro-Israel lobby over and over again in head-to-head conflicts, such as the sale of sophisticated weapons to a regime that doesn't even have the technical skills to use them, and the conflict over whether to move the United States' embassy to Jerusalem. Even now, Saudi Arabia is lobbying to obtain a multibillion-dollar arms deal, and it is likely to succeed over the objections of Israel.

ALAN DIRTSHOWITZ, very good, OJ Simpsons Liar, I mean lawyer...Nice pick!

 

[Phoenall]

Can you refute any of the statements I made in the OP?

Zionist supremacists believe that the truth can be "hateful".
If they hear the truth, they call it "hate speech".

That phenomenon is called "projection", they project their own hate for truth on the truth-tellers.

Sayit and Phoney expound this projection well...Its as if a Mass Psychosis afflicts many religious and right wing Israelis and ZioNuts...

Their hate sustains them.

While you defend islamonazi terrorism and murder because you you are no better than the Palestinian scum

 

[Phoenall]

Thunderbird, et al,

OK, it is true that Israel a big recipient of Aid from the US (so what).

Israel is the largest cumulative recipient of U.S. foreign assistance since World War II. From 1976-2004, Israel was the largest annual recipient of U.S. foreign assistance, having been supplanted by Iraq. Since 1985, the United States has provided nearly $3 billion in grants annually to Israel.

Almost all U.S. bilateral aid to Israel is in the form of military assistance. In the past, Israel also had received significant economic assistance. Strong congressional support for Israel has resulted in Israel’s receiving benefits not available to other countries. For example, Israel can use some U.S. military assistance both for research and development in the United States and for military purchases from Israeli manufacturers. SOURCE: CRS Report RL33476​

Since 1948, the aid given to Israel evolved from helping preserve the original intent of a Jewish Nation Home, to much more. In recent decades, probably the 1970's onward, the purpose of the aid has further a strong bilateral arrangement which reflects are shared values in government and culture; not to forget the great concern that both countries hold in the matter of strategic goals in the Middle East (concern over Iran, Syria, Islamic extremism).

No I'm not but the OP is another "Hate Israel Because" story and I don't buy that crap.

Can you refute any of the statements I made in the OP?

American taxpayers are forced to pay billions of dollars to Israel. America has suffered through oil embargoes because of Israel. America has fought wars for Israel. And what has Israel done for the U.S.? In gratitude the Israelis have conducted damaging spy operations against the U.S. and sold advanced weapons to our most dangerous adversaries.

American interests are not served by propping up apartheid Israel. Our politicians are bribed to betray our country and put Israel first. American subservience to Israel creates hatred for America throughout the Muslim world, terrorism, instability, and aversion to American ideals and reform.

(COMMENT)

There have been at times, when the two counties have experienced some political and diplomatic differences discord. But of the many security and defense agreements the US has entered into since the end of WWII, only the Five-Eyes (the US + Canada, UK, Australia, New Zealand) has proven as durable, successful and reliable as the one between Israel and the US.

Congressional Research Report 10 JUNE 2015 US Aid to Israel
Though aid to Israel has detractors as well as supporters, overall U.S. public support for Israel remains strong. According to a February 2015 Gallup poll that measured Americans’ sympathies toward the disputants in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, 62% said their sympathies lie with the Israelis and 16% said their sympathies lie with the Palestinians. According to a February 2015 Pew Research Center poll, “48% of respondents say that the level of U.S. support for Israel is about right; 29% say the U.S. is not supportive enough of Israel, while 18% say it is too supportive.” Neither of these surveys explicitly examined public opinion regarding U.S. aid to Israel.
SOURCE: CRS Report RL33222 & CRS Report RL33476, Israel: Background and U.S. Relations ​

Over the last 7+ decades, each of the successor Presidents (and Administrations), and Congressional Lawmakers have "considered Israel to be a reliable partner in the region, and U.S. aid packages for Israel have reflected this sentiment."

Israel is not an "Apartheid" country. It doesn't even come close to the definition by the International Criminal Court. It is merely a anti-Israeli Humanitarian claim to put forward an inflammatory language. Who betrayed "America" and put Israel first." Again, this is inflammatory language designed to incite a hostile image of Israel in the minds unfamiliar with the Jihadist and Fedayeen activity in the Region and the International Threat they have posed since the 1972 Munich Olympic Games (Palestinian attackers—Afif, Nazzal, Chic Thaa, Hamid and Jamal—killed during the Fürstenfeldbruck gun battle were delivered to Libya, where they received heroes' funerals and were buried with full military honors). {Rule 2 Article 51(2) of Additional Protocol I prohibits Acts or threats of violence the primary purpose of which is to spread terror among the civilian population are prohibited.}

Let's put this in perspective before we get all excited. Yes, annually we will give Israel about $3B. The Program cost for the F-22 Raptor is $66.7 billion. It is much better to insure that Israel has a Qualitative Military Advantage in equipment and technology, then to give the advantage in numbers by the Arab Countries still hostile; unable to make peace.

Most Respectfully,
R

AIPAC controls our government through a cabalistic campaign donations against American Interests...

Yet the islam lobby is spending 10 times what AIPAC is spending on buying politicians in the US. Why do you think that Pakistan can afford a space programme while US vets are homeless, because they gat massive amounts of US aid. Who pays the most into the UN coffers that goes to fund terrorism and violence in gaza.

 

[Phoenall]

Thunderbird, et al,

OK, it is true that Israel a big recipient of Aid from the US (so what).

Israel is the largest cumulative recipient of U.S. foreign assistance since World War II. From 1976-2004, Israel was the largest annual recipient of U.S. foreign assistance, having been supplanted by Iraq. Since 1985, the United States has provided nearly $3 billion in grants annually to Israel.

Almost all U.S. bilateral aid to Israel is in the form of military assistance. In the past, Israel also had received significant economic assistance. Strong congressional support for Israel has resulted in Israel’s receiving benefits not available to other countries. For example, Israel can use some U.S. military assistance both for research and development in the United States and for military purchases from Israeli manufacturers. SOURCE: CRS Report RL33476​

Since 1948, the aid given to Israel evolved from helping preserve the original intent of a Jewish Nation Home, to much more. In recent decades, probably the 1970's onward, the purpose of the aid has further a strong bilateral arrangement which reflects are shared values in government and culture; not to forget the great concern that both countries hold in the matter of strategic goals in the Middle East (concern over Iran, Syria, Islamic extremism).

No I'm not but the OP is another "Hate Israel Because" story and I don't buy that crap.

Can you refute any of the statements I made in the OP?

American taxpayers are forced to pay billions of dollars to Israel. America has suffered through oil embargoes because of Israel. America has fought wars for Israel. And what has Israel done for the U.S.? In gratitude the Israelis have conducted damaging spy operations against the U.S. and sold advanced weapons to our most dangerous adversaries.

American interests are not served by propping up apartheid Israel. Our politicians are bribed to betray our country and put Israel first. American subservience to Israel creates hatred for America throughout the Muslim world, terrorism, instability, and aversion to American ideals and reform.

(COMMENT)

There have been at times, when the two counties have experienced some political and diplomatic differences discord. But of the many security and defense agreements the US has entered into since the end of WWII, only the Five-Eyes (the US + Canada, UK, Australia, New Zealand) has proven as durable, successful and reliable as the one between Israel and the US.

Congressional Research Report 10 JUNE 2015 US Aid to Israel
Though aid to Israel has detractors as well as supporters, overall U.S. public support for Israel remains strong. According to a February 2015 Gallup poll that measured Americans’ sympathies toward the disputants in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, 62% said their sympathies lie with the Israelis and 16% said their sympathies lie with the Palestinians. According to a February 2015 Pew Research Center poll, “48% of respondents say that the level of U.S. support for Israel is about right; 29% say the U.S. is not supportive enough of Israel, while 18% say it is too supportive.” Neither of these surveys explicitly examined public opinion regarding U.S. aid to Israel.
SOURCE: CRS Report RL33222 & CRS Report RL33476, Israel: Background and U.S. Relations ​

Over the last 7+ decades, each of the successor Presidents (and Administrations), and Congressional Lawmakers have "considered Israel to be a reliable partner in the region, and U.S. aid packages for Israel have reflected this sentiment."

Israel is not an "Apartheid" country. It doesn't even come close to the definition by the International Criminal Court. It is merely a anti-Israeli Humanitarian claim to put forward an inflammatory language. Who betrayed "America" and put Israel first." Again, this is inflammatory language designed to incite a hostile image of Israel in the minds unfamiliar with the Jihadist and Fedayeen activity in the Region and the International Threat they have posed since the 1972 Munich Olympic Games (Palestinian attackers—Afif, Nazzal, Chic Thaa, Hamid and Jamal—killed during the Fürstenfeldbruck gun battle were delivered to Libya, where they received heroes' funerals and were buried with full military honors). {Rule 2 Article 51(2) of Additional Protocol I prohibits Acts or threats of violence the primary purpose of which is to spread terror among the civilian population are prohibited.}

Let's put this in perspective before we get all excited. Yes, annually we will give Israel about $3B. The Program cost for the F-22 Raptor is $66.7 billion. It is much better to insure that Israel has a Qualitative Military Advantage in equipment and technology, then to give the advantage in numbers by the Arab Countries still hostile; unable to make peace.

Most Respectfully,
R

Rocco,

1. Can you tell us how Israel is not an Apartheid state. Remember some non-whites (a minority) could vote and had parliamentary representation in Apartheid South Africa. The rest were citizens of Bantustans, completely controlled by South Africa and could not vote and were not represented in the parliament.

2. Can you tell us how it helps America to have the billion or more Muslims hate us because of our one-sided support of Israel?

every citizen of Israel who is illegible to vote can. If they don't have Israeli citizenship then they cant vote. What would you say if 60 million arab muslims where given the right to vote for an American president because someone claimed that the US was apartheid.

Whether or not the US supported Israel the muslims would still hate them because of their religious teachings and views. Its like asking why the Japs hated the US in the 1940's

 

[pbel]

Thunderbird, et al,

OK, it is true that Israel a big recipient of Aid from the US (so what).

Israel is the largest cumulative recipient of U.S. foreign assistance since World War II. From 1976-2004, Israel was the largest annual recipient of U.S. foreign assistance, having been supplanted by Iraq. Since 1985, the United States has provided nearly $3 billion in grants annually to Israel.

Almost all U.S. bilateral aid to Israel is in the form of military assistance. In the past, Israel also had received significant economic assistance. Strong congressional support for Israel has resulted in Israel’s receiving benefits not available to other countries. For example, Israel can use some U.S. military assistance both for research and development in the United States and for military purchases from Israeli manufacturers. SOURCE: CRS Report RL33476​

Since 1948, the aid given to Israel evolved from helping preserve the original intent of a Jewish Nation Home, to much more. In recent decades, probably the 1970's onward, the purpose of the aid has further a strong bilateral arrangement which reflects are shared values in government and culture; not to forget the great concern that both countries hold in the matter of strategic goals in the Middle East (concern over Iran, Syria, Islamic extremism).

No I'm not but the OP is another "Hate Israel Because" story and I don't buy that crap.

Can you refute any of the statements I made in the OP?

American taxpayers are forced to pay billions of dollars to Israel. America has suffered through oil embargoes because of Israel. America has fought wars for Israel. And what has Israel done for the U.S.? In gratitude the Israelis have conducted damaging spy operations against the U.S. and sold advanced weapons to our most dangerous adversaries.

American interests are not served by propping up apartheid Israel. Our politicians are bribed to betray our country and put Israel first. American subservience to Israel creates hatred for America throughout the Muslim world, terrorism, instability, and aversion to American ideals and reform.

(COMMENT)

There have been at times, when the two counties have experienced some political and diplomatic differences discord. But of the many security and defense agreements the US has entered into since the end of WWII, only the Five-Eyes (the US + Canada, UK, Australia, New Zealand) has proven as durable, successful and reliable as the one between Israel and the US.

Congressional Research Report 10 JUNE 2015 US Aid to Israel
Though aid to Israel has detractors as well as supporters, overall U.S. public support for Israel remains strong. According to a February 2015 Gallup poll that measured Americans’ sympathies toward the disputants in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, 62% said their sympathies lie with the Israelis and 16% said their sympathies lie with the Palestinians. According to a February 2015 Pew Research Center poll, “48% of respondents say that the level of U.S. support for Israel is about right; 29% say the U.S. is not supportive enough of Israel, while 18% say it is too supportive.” Neither of these surveys explicitly examined public opinion regarding U.S. aid to Israel.
SOURCE: CRS Report RL33222 & CRS Report RL33476, Israel: Background and U.S. Relations ​

Over the last 7+ decades, each of the successor Presidents (and Administrations), and Congressional Lawmakers have "considered Israel to be a reliable partner in the region, and U.S. aid packages for Israel have reflected this sentiment."

Israel is not an "Apartheid" country. It doesn't even come close to the definition by the International Criminal Court. It is merely a anti-Israeli Humanitarian claim to put forward an inflammatory language. Who betrayed "America" and put Israel first." Again, this is inflammatory language designed to incite a hostile image of Israel in the minds unfamiliar with the Jihadist and Fedayeen activity in the Region and the International Threat they have posed since the 1972 Munich Olympic Games (Palestinian attackers—Afif, Nazzal, Chic Thaa, Hamid and Jamal—killed during the Fürstenfeldbruck gun battle were delivered to Libya, where they received heroes' funerals and were buried with full military honors). {Rule 2 Article 51(2) of Additional Protocol I prohibits Acts or threats of violence the primary purpose of which is to spread terror among the civilian population are prohibited.}

Let's put this in perspective before we get all excited. Yes, annually we will give Israel about $3B. The Program cost for the F-22 Raptor is $66.7 billion. It is much better to insure that Israel has a Qualitative Military Advantage in equipment and technology, then to give the advantage in numbers by the Arab Countries still hostile; unable to make peace.

Most Respectfully,
R

AIPAC controls our government through a cabalistic campaign donations against American Interests...

Yet the islam lobby is spending 10 times what AIPAC is spending on buying politicians in the US. Why do you think that Pakistan can afford a space programme while US vets are homeless, because they gat massive amounts of US aid. Who pays the most into the UN coffers that goes to fund terrorism and violence in gaza.

Show us the link to the Islam lobby liar#1!

 

[Phoenall]

Thunderbird, et al,

OK, it is true that Israel a big recipient of Aid from the US (so what).

Israel is the largest cumulative recipient of U.S. foreign assistance since World War II. From 1976-2004, Israel was the largest annual recipient of U.S. foreign assistance, having been supplanted by Iraq. Since 1985, the United States has provided nearly $3 billion in grants annually to Israel.

Almost all U.S. bilateral aid to Israel is in the form of military assistance. In the past, Israel also had received significant economic assistance. Strong congressional support for Israel has resulted in Israel’s receiving benefits not available to other countries. For example, Israel can use some U.S. military assistance both for research and development in the United States and for military purchases from Israeli manufacturers. SOURCE: CRS Report RL33476​

Since 1948, the aid given to Israel evolved from helping preserve the original intent of a Jewish Nation Home, to much more. In recent decades, probably the 1970's onward, the purpose of the aid has further a strong bilateral arrangement which reflects are shared values in government and culture; not to forget the great concern that both countries hold in the matter of strategic goals in the Middle East (concern over Iran, Syria, Islamic extremism).

No I'm not but the OP is another "Hate Israel Because" story and I don't buy that crap.

Can you refute any of the statements I made in the OP?

American taxpayers are forced to pay billions of dollars to Israel. America has suffered through oil embargoes because of Israel. America has fought wars for Israel. And what has Israel done for the U.S.? In gratitude the Israelis have conducted damaging spy operations against the U.S. and sold advanced weapons to our most dangerous adversaries.

American interests are not served by propping up apartheid Israel. Our politicians are bribed to betray our country and put Israel first. American subservience to Israel creates hatred for America throughout the Muslim world, terrorism, instability, and aversion to American ideals and reform.

(COMMENT)

There have been at times, when the two counties have experienced some political and diplomatic differences discord. But of the many security and defense agreements the US has entered into since the end of WWII, only the Five-Eyes (the US + Canada, UK, Australia, New Zealand) has proven as durable, successful and reliable as the one between Israel and the US.

Congressional Research Report 10 JUNE 2015 US Aid to Israel
Though aid to Israel has detractors as well as supporters, overall U.S. public support for Israel remains strong. According to a February 2015 Gallup poll that measured Americans’ sympathies toward the disputants in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, 62% said their sympathies lie with the Israelis and 16% said their sympathies lie with the Palestinians. According to a February 2015 Pew Research Center poll, “48% of respondents say that the level of U.S. support for Israel is about right; 29% say the U.S. is not supportive enough of Israel, while 18% say it is too supportive.” Neither of these surveys explicitly examined public opinion regarding U.S. aid to Israel.
SOURCE: CRS Report RL33222 & CRS Report RL33476, Israel: Background and U.S. Relations ​

Over the last 7+ decades, each of the successor Presidents (and Administrations), and Congressional Lawmakers have "considered Israel to be a reliable partner in the region, and U.S. aid packages for Israel have reflected this sentiment."

Israel is not an "Apartheid" country. It doesn't even come close to the definition by the International Criminal Court. It is merely a anti-Israeli Humanitarian claim to put forward an inflammatory language. Who betrayed "America" and put Israel first." Again, this is inflammatory language designed to incite a hostile image of Israel in the minds unfamiliar with the Jihadist and Fedayeen activity in the Region and the International Threat they have posed since the 1972 Munich Olympic Games (Palestinian attackers—Afif, Nazzal, Chic Thaa, Hamid and Jamal—killed during the Fürstenfeldbruck gun battle were delivered to Libya, where they received heroes' funerals and were buried with full military honors). {Rule 2 Article 51(2) of Additional Protocol I prohibits Acts or threats of violence the primary purpose of which is to spread terror among the civilian population are prohibited.}

Let's put this in perspective before we get all excited. Yes, annually we will give Israel about $3B. The Program cost for the F-22 Raptor is $66.7 billion. It is much better to insure that Israel has a Qualitative Military Advantage in equipment and technology, then to give the advantage in numbers by the Arab Countries still hostile; unable to make peace.

Most Respectfully,
R

AIPAC controls our government through a cabalistic campaign donations against American Interests...

Yet the islam lobby is spending 10 times what AIPAC is spending on buying politicians in the US. Why do you think that Pakistan can afford a space programme while US vets are homeless, because they gat massive amounts of US aid. Who pays the most into the UN coffers that goes to fund terrorism and violence in gaza.

Show us the link to the Islam lobby liar#1!

Arab lobby in the United States - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

According to Mitchell Bard in an article for the Jewish Virtual Library, Isaiah L. Kenen, the founder of American Zionist Committee for Public Affairs or "AZCPA" (which became American Israel Public Affairs Committee or "AIPAC"), wrote of the Arab lobby's roots in the 1950s "petro-diplomatic complex" that comprised the "oil industry, missionaries, and diplomats." Bard states that in 1951 King Saud of Saudi Arabia asked U.S. diplomats to finance a pro-Arab lobby to counter AZCPA.[4] Bard in his book The Arab Lobby: The Invisible Alliance That Undermines America's Interests in the Middle East, states that the approach has not changed since the days of King Saud;[5] the basic message, according to Bard, is that the Saudis and the Gulf States have the oil and will supply it to America and its allies on the condition that America keeps the Arab ruling families in power.[6] Bard further states that the subsidiary clause is that the Arab oil states will also purchase arms ($100 billion worth over the last 50 years) to keep themselves in power and able to produce oil.[7]

Bard also alleges "blackmail" . He claims that from time to time the United States criticized the oil states for denying human rights to their own citizens, sponsoring militants who attack Israel, spreading extremist forms of Islam around the world, and supporting terrorism in many countries, but this criticism in rapidly reigned in by threatening to cut off the oil supply.[7]


Many of the players in the Arab lobby are paid directly by Arab governments, the New York Times describes them as an "elite band of former members of Congress, former diplomats and power brokers who have helped Middle Eastern nations navigate diplomatic waters here on delicate issues like arms deals, terrorism, oil and trade restrictions." Powerful lobbyists working on behalf of the Arab lobby include Bob Livingston, Tony Podesta, and Toby Moffett. Arab governments have paid "tens of millions of dollars" to "top" lobbying firms that work to influence the American government.[10] This includes the Saudi Arabia lobby, Egypt lobby and the Libya lobby.

In the wake of 9/11, Saudi Arabia hired the lobbying firms Patton Boggs and Qorvis, paying $14 million a year.[



So you see money talks, but OIL money talks louder

 

[Phoenall]

Thunderbird, et al,

OK, it is true that Israel a big recipient of Aid from the US (so what).

Israel is the largest cumulative recipient of U.S. foreign assistance since World War II. From 1976-2004, Israel was the largest annual recipient of U.S. foreign assistance, having been supplanted by Iraq. Since 1985, the United States has provided nearly $3 billion in grants annually to Israel.

Almost all U.S. bilateral aid to Israel is in the form of military assistance. In the past, Israel also had received significant economic assistance. Strong congressional support for Israel has resulted in Israel’s receiving benefits not available to other countries. For example, Israel can use some U.S. military assistance both for research and development in the United States and for military purchases from Israeli manufacturers. SOURCE: CRS Report RL33476​

Since 1948, the aid given to Israel evolved from helping preserve the original intent of a Jewish Nation Home, to much more. In recent decades, probably the 1970's onward, the purpose of the aid has further a strong bilateral arrangement which reflects are shared values in government and culture; not to forget the great concern that both countries hold in the matter of strategic goals in the Middle East (concern over Iran, Syria, Islamic extremism).

Can you refute any of the statements I made in the OP?

American taxpayers are forced to pay billions of dollars to Israel. America has suffered through oil embargoes because of Israel. America has fought wars for Israel. And what has Israel done for the U.S.? In gratitude the Israelis have conducted damaging spy operations against the U.S. and sold advanced weapons to our most dangerous adversaries.

American interests are not served by propping up apartheid Israel. Our politicians are bribed to betray our country and put Israel first. American subservience to Israel creates hatred for America throughout the Muslim world, terrorism, instability, and aversion to American ideals and reform.

(COMMENT)

There have been at times, when the two counties have experienced some political and diplomatic differences discord. But of the many security and defense agreements the US has entered into since the end of WWII, only the Five-Eyes (the US + Canada, UK, Australia, New Zealand) has proven as durable, successful and reliable as the one between Israel and the US.

Congressional Research Report 10 JUNE 2015 US Aid to Israel
Though aid to Israel has detractors as well as supporters, overall U.S. public support for Israel remains strong. According to a February 2015 Gallup poll that measured Americans’ sympathies toward the disputants in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, 62% said their sympathies lie with the Israelis and 16% said their sympathies lie with the Palestinians. According to a February 2015 Pew Research Center poll, “48% of respondents say that the level of U.S. support for Israel is about right; 29% say the U.S. is not supportive enough of Israel, while 18% say it is too supportive.” Neither of these surveys explicitly examined public opinion regarding U.S. aid to Israel.
SOURCE: CRS Report RL33222 & CRS Report RL33476, Israel: Background and U.S. Relations ​

Over the last 7+ decades, each of the successor Presidents (and Administrations), and Congressional Lawmakers have "considered Israel to be a reliable partner in the region, and U.S. aid packages for Israel have reflected this sentiment."

Israel is not an "Apartheid" country. It doesn't even come close to the definition by the International Criminal Court. It is merely a anti-Israeli Humanitarian claim to put forward an inflammatory language. Who betrayed "America" and put Israel first." Again, this is inflammatory language designed to incite a hostile image of Israel in the minds unfamiliar with the Jihadist and Fedayeen activity in the Region and the International Threat they have posed since the 1972 Munich Olympic Games (Palestinian attackers—Afif, Nazzal, Chic Thaa, Hamid and Jamal—killed during the Fürstenfeldbruck gun battle were delivered to Libya, where they received heroes' funerals and were buried with full military honors). {Rule 2 Article 51(2) of Additional Protocol I prohibits Acts or threats of violence the primary purpose of which is to spread terror among the civilian population are prohibited.}

Let's put this in perspective before we get all excited. Yes, annually we will give Israel about $3B. The Program cost for the F-22 Raptor is $66.7 billion. It is much better to insure that Israel has a Qualitative Military Advantage in equipment and technology, then to give the advantage in numbers by the Arab Countries still hostile; unable to make peace.

Most Respectfully,
R

AIPAC controls our government through a cabalistic campaign donations against American Interests...

Yet the islam lobby is spending 10 times what AIPAC is spending on buying politicians in the US. Why do you think that Pakistan can afford a space programme while US vets are homeless, because they gat massive amounts of US aid. Who pays the most into the UN coffers that goes to fund terrorism and violence in gaza.

Show us the link to the Islam lobby liar#1!

Arab lobby in the United States - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

According to Mitchell Bard in an article for the Jewish Virtual Library, Isaiah L. Kenen, the founder of American Zionist Committee for Public Affairs or "AZCPA" (which became American Israel Public Affairs Committee or "AIPAC"), wrote of the Arab lobby's roots in the 1950s "petro-diplomatic complex" that comprised the "oil industry, missionaries, and diplomats." Bard states that in 1951 King Saud of Saudi Arabia asked U.S. diplomats to finance a pro-Arab lobby to counter AZCPA.[4] Bard in his book The Arab Lobby: The Invisible Alliance That Undermines America's Interests in the Middle East, states that the approach has not changed since the days of King Saud;[5] the basic message, according to Bard, is that the Saudis and the Gulf States have the oil and will supply it to America and its allies on the condition that America keeps the Arab ruling families in power.[6] Bard further states that the subsidiary clause is that the Arab oil states will also purchase arms ($100 billion worth over the last 50 years) to keep themselves in power and able to produce oil.[7]

Bard also alleges "blackmail" . He claims that from time to time the United States criticized the oil states for denying human rights to their own citizens, sponsoring militants who attack Israel, spreading extremist forms of Islam around the world, and supporting terrorism in many countries, but this criticism in rapidly reigned in by threatening to cut off the oil supply.[7]


Many of the players in the Arab lobby are paid directly by Arab governments, the New York Times describes them as an "elite band of former members of Congress, former diplomats and power brokers who have helped Middle Eastern nations navigate diplomatic waters here on delicate issues like arms deals, terrorism, oil and trade restrictions." Powerful lobbyists working on behalf of the Arab lobby include Bob Livingston, Tony Podesta, and Toby Moffett. Arab governments have paid "tens of millions of dollars" to "top" lobbying firms that work to influence the American government.[10] This includes the Saudi Arabia lobby, Egypt lobby and the Libya lobby.

In the wake of 9/11, Saudi Arabia hired the lobbying firms Patton Boggs and Qorvis, paying $14 million a year.[



So you see money talks, but OIL money talks louder