Patriot american Ron Paul Does not trust Trump.

[MisterBeale]

let me guess you’re a libertarian who thinks you’re better than liberals and conservatives on the virtue of your being libertarian? Libertarians are paranoid delusions whom are the last people to realize their ideas are shit, and they’re not so virtuous because they’re libertarians.

I'm a libertarian. And I'll put my ideas up against yours on this board any day of the week. Any day. Hopefully in front of all of your friends. That's my preference anyway. Heck, I'd enjoy nothing more than for you to show us all how smart you are.

I often think in & agree w/libertarian terms , yet bow to the security of collectivism

maybe i'm just another scared rabbit.....

~S~

You can actually have both.

A true libertarian has nothing against collectivism. It is the essential premise on which this nation was founded on.

It is FORCED collectivism (by the STATE, that is what we are discussing here) that is the problem. VOLUNTARY collectivism is strong, and very effective, this needs no forcing. Let individuals and collectives compete in the market WITHOUT the interference of the STATE.

Cooperative - Wikipedia
See also

• Artist cooperative
• Cooperative economics
• Collective
• Collective ownership
• Common ownership
• Commune
• Cooperative banking
• Corporatism
• Cost the limit of price
• Danish cooperative movement
• Democratic socialism
• Employee-owned corporation
• Employee stock ownership plan
• Friendly society
• History of the cooperative movement
• Industrial and provident society
• List of co-operative federations
• List of cooperatives
• Market Socialism
• Microfinance / microcredit
• Mondragón Cooperative Corporation
• Mutual aid
• Mutual organization
• Mutual Ownership Defense Housing Division
• Mutualism (economic theory)
• Neo-capitalism
• Online media cooperative
• Participatory democracy
• Participatory economics
• Polytechnic University of the Philippines College of Cooperatives and Social Development
• Friedrich Wilhelm Raiffeisen
• Rochdale Principles
• Social corporatism
• Social economy
• Social enterprise
• Social ownership
• Syndicalism
• Socialism
• Platform cooperative

Mutualism (economic theory) - Wikipedia
Market socialism - Wikipedia
Cooperative banking - Wikipedia
Friendly society - Wikipedia
Mutual organization - Wikipedia

Never get caught up in the Democrats and Republicans false dilemma that we cannot have both.

 

[Rocko]

A libertarian’s answer for everything is less government and more freedom. Ron Paul wasn’t right about much if anything. There were only degrees to which I every agreed with him, when I did. To me he’s as bad as Bernie Sanders.

My take there is....I have equal respect for both of them for being honest and sticking to their guns even though it ruffled feathers in their own parties.

I can’t even say I respect them for being principled. Bernie Sanders became a millionaire after his run for President and defended it by evoking capitalism. Ron Paul was the king of pork barrel spending. Bernie Sanders doesn’t have plausible ideas, and neither did Ron Paul. If either of those guys had gotten their way the country and the world would go to shit. They were successful in spreading ideologies that are incompatible with real life.

 

[MisterBeale]

This government subsidizes the fascists and corporatists WAY too much though. . .

 

[the other mike]

I can’t even say I respect them for being principled. Bernie Sanders became a millionaire after his run for President and defended it by evoking capitalism. Ron Paul was the king of pork barrel spending. Bernie Sanders doesn’t have plausible ideas, and neither did Ron Paul. If either of those guys had gotten their way the country and the world would go to shit. They were successful in spreading ideologies that are incompatible with real life.

Out of curiosity what plausible ideas has Trump personally implemented by his own accord, except maybe the wall ?

 

[the other mike]

When I post evidence that it is not entirely necessary. . . rather than critically review the evidence that I post. . . what you and Rocko do, is to attack the messengers of that evidence.

This is the sign of indoctrination. Nice job.

.

 

[Rocko]

I can’t even say I respect them for being principled. Bernie Sanders became a millionaire after his run for President and defended it by evoking capitalism. Ron Paul was the king of pork barrel spending. Bernie Sanders doesn’t have plausible ideas, and neither did Ron Paul. If either of those guys had gotten their way the country and the world would go to shit. They were successful in spreading ideologies that are incompatible with real life.

Out of curiosity what plausible ideas has Trump personally implemented by his own accord, except maybe the wall ?

number one, don’t assume Im the biggest Trump supporter, I’m not. I’d take him over the democrat field, but that’s the lesser of 2 evils strategy. Trump has implemented certain things, he hasn’t gotten that much done in comparison to others because he and congress haven’t been able able to work together, but they’re about to do something big now. Let’s see if it works. I can’t imagine if someone like Ron Paul was president at this time. Bernie would cripple us too.

 

[the other mike]

10,048 now.
We'll have passed the ebola outbreak of 11,300 by the end of the weekend.

 

[Rocko]

I can’t even say I respect them for being principled. Bernie Sanders became a millionaire after his run for President and defended it by evoking capitalism. Ron Paul was the king of pork barrel spending. Bernie Sanders doesn’t have plausible ideas, and neither did Ron Paul. If either of those guys had gotten their way the country and the world would go to shit. They were successful in spreading ideologies that are incompatible with real life.

Out of curiosity what plausible ideas has Trump personally implemented by his own accord, except maybe the wall ?

number one, don’t assume Im the biggest Trump supporter, I’m not. I’d take him over the democrat field, but that’s the lesser of 2 evils strategy. Trump has implemented certain things, he hasn’t gotten that much done in comparison to others because he and congress haven’t been able able to work together, but they’re about to do something big now. Let’s see if it works. I can’t imagine if someone like Ron Paul was president at this time. Bernie would cripple us too.

the last thing I’ll say about this is they are both two sides of the same coin pitching their respective utopian fantasy

 

[the other mike]

number one, don’t assume Im the biggest Trump supporter, I’m not. I’d take him over the democrat field, but that’s the lesser of 2 evils strategy. Trump has implemented certain things, he hasn’t gotten that much done in comparison to others because he and congress haven’t been able able to work together, but they’re about to do something big now. Let’s see if it works. I can’t imagine if someone like Ron Paul was president at this time. Bernie would cripple us too.

the last thing I’ll say about this is they are both two sides of the same coin pitching their respective utopian fantasy

Well when it comes down to it, the president is our closest thing to being the public's representative, however, even Obama was smart enough to quote Frederick Douglas' famous saying about power.
It was his way of saying, look guys," I had no idea what I was getting into here. "

Trump can work for us as a populist president (he's already left of the Democrats on almost everything ) and actually keep us all happy, if we all get his back. Can't do it divided in half the way they keep us...Don't forget the GOP will likely keep the Senate but could flip the House also, so who knows how things will fall in place then if Trump's reelected of course.

 

[MisterBeale]

 

[Denizen]

Rand Paul must have been adopted from a dumpster.

 

[sparky]

let me guess you’re a libertarian who thinks you’re better than liberals and conservatives on the virtue of your being libertarian? Libertarians are paranoid delusions whom are the last people to realize their ideas are shit, and they’re not so virtuous because they’re libertarians.

I'm a libertarian. And I'll put my ideas up against yours on this board any day of the week. Any day. Hopefully in front of all of your friends. That's my preference anyway. Heck, I'd enjoy nothing more than for you to show us all how smart you are.

I often think in & agree w/libertarian terms , yet bow to the security of collectivism

maybe i'm just another scared rabbit.....

~S~

You can actually have both.

A true libertarian has nothing against collectivism. It is the essential premise on which this nation was founded on.

It is FORCED collectivism (by the STATE, that is what we are discussing here) that is the problem. VOLUNTARY collectivism is strong, and very effective, this needs no forcing. Let individuals and collectives compete in the market WITHOUT the interference of the STATE.

Cooperative - Wikipedia
See also

• Artist cooperative
• Cooperative economics
• Collective
• Collective ownership
• Common ownership
• Commune
• Cooperative banking
• Corporatism
• Cost the limit of price
• Danish cooperative movement
• Democratic socialism
• Employee-owned corporation
• Employee stock ownership plan
• Friendly society
• History of the cooperative movement
• Industrial and provident society
• List of co-operative federations
• List of cooperatives
• Market Socialism
• Microfinance / microcredit
• Mondragón Cooperative Corporation
• Mutual aid
• Mutual organization
• Mutual Ownership Defense Housing Division
• Mutualism (economic theory)
• Neo-capitalism
• Online media cooperative
• Participatory democracy
• Participatory economics
• Polytechnic University of the Philippines College of Cooperatives and Social Development
• Friedrich Wilhelm Raiffeisen
• Rochdale Principles
• Social corporatism
• Social economy
• Social enterprise
• Social ownership
• Syndicalism
• Socialism
• Platform cooperative

Mutualism (economic theory) - Wikipedia
Market socialism - Wikipedia
Cooperative banking - Wikipedia
Friendly society - Wikipedia
Mutual organization - Wikipedia

Never get caught up in the Democrats and Republicans false dilemma that we cannot have both.

That's a lotta models to consider Mr B
but the point is well made
thx

~S~

 

[Baron]

Paul is my hero telling it like it is as he always does.pesky facts the sheep in america dont want to hear.

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Tuesday, 07 January 2020 4:45 AM [ Last Update: Tuesday, 07 January 2020 6:02 AM ]

Can you trust a zionist?

 

[Fed Starving]

Confidence and trust are the same right? If someone doesnt want you to feel confidence all they need to do is kick out the trust. Weaken you right up.

 

[LA RAM FAN]

Paul is my hero telling it like it is as he always does.pesky facts the sheep in america dont want to hear.

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Why I don’t trust Trump, Pompeo on Iran
Tuesday, 07 January 2020 4:45 AM [ Last Update: Tuesday, 07 January 2020 6:02 AM ]

Can you trust a zionist?

Amen to that.